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None of that matters in the context of this conversation. You play all high and mighty calling everybody that believes in a collective effort to improve our society socialists. Then in the next breath you support collective efforts that use tax payer funds and control behavior. You’re either a hypocrite or a very dishonest debater.Military, fire and police don’t take up a lot of the budget, plus if people behave they generally don’t have any interaction with thoseYeah, it’s necessary to steal from and control people for the things you deem neccessary. Got it!Like I said that is an necessary, Most of the spending of this federal government is waste fraud and abuse... Their called socialist entitlement programs.You don’t want to control other people?! How are you paying for your police, fire and military?No one’s going to change anybody else’s mind, I just don’t want to control other people like you progressives do...These idiots like Rustic don’t know how to express a smart argument end up just making shit up trying to define the thoughts and motives of their opposers. I wonder if they think they are being effective.
Socialism, properly understood, frees people. Capitalism will never secure the freedom made possible by socialism.That’s what I said there is no reason for socialism other than to control people....The point of my previous post flew right over your head I guess. It was capitalism that was forced on people in fascist Europe and in countless Latin American countries over the years. Fascism always raises its head when people gravitate away from capitalism.Socialism has to be forced on people that want nothing to do with it, cannot afford it and will never use it. Socialism would be fine if it was an “opt in”... Obviously it’s notThat isn't entirely untrue. It was after all the socialist movements that took root following WWI and the great depression that led to a crisis for capitalists in Europe, and to a lesser degree in the US. The need to stamp out the socialist movements is what gave rise to fascism in Europe.Socialism is the incubator for dictatorships and fascismThat is because we live in a capitalist world.
The world will know true freedom once we stop competing for resources. Which will be facilitated through a socialist economic system of production.
But that just reinforces the idea that capitalism is a detriment to freedom, not its champion.
You lose.
Career politicians pocketsThat wasnt my question. I’m asking you where that money goes. Play it out through a few exchanges and let me know where you think it all ends up goingWhy are you dodging the question? Are you unable to answer it?Our debt is far more than we could ever pay back, And socialist entitlement programs are going to keep us broke.That’s why we are broke? The richest country in the world bar none?! Haha ok.That is the reason why this country is broke because a socialist entitlement programs. That’s where the vast majority of spending and debt have come from, It makes every other type of spending look like pocket change.
Well tell me where does all that money that the government is frivolous spending go? Where does it end up over time?
There is nothing more ways fold in the federal government
Socialist entitlement programs dominate spending and debt, everything else is pocket change
Like I said Military/police/fire are an necessary... The rest not so muchNone of that matters in the context of this conversation. You play all high and mighty calling everybody that believes in a collective effort to improve our society socialists. Then in the next breath you support collective efforts that use tax payer funds and control behavior. You’re either a hypocrite or a very dishonest debater.Military, fire and police don’t take up a lot of the budget, plus if people behave they generally don’t have any interaction with thoseYeah, it’s necessary to steal from and control people for the things you deem neccessary. Got it!Like I said that is an necessary, Most of the spending of this federal government is waste fraud and abuse... Their called socialist entitlement programs.You don’t want to control other people?! How are you paying for your police, fire and military?No one’s going to change anybody else’s mind, I just don’t want to control other people like you progressives do...
There is no such thing as any sort of freedom in socialism, socialism ultimately fails every time Its tried. It’s pie in the sky/pipe dream… Only the foolish believe in its sincerity.Socialism, properly understood, frees people. Capitalism will never secure the freedom made possible by socialism.That’s what I said there is no reason for socialism other than to control people....The point of my previous post flew right over your head I guess. It was capitalism that was forced on people in fascist Europe and in countless Latin American countries over the years. Fascism always raises its head when people gravitate away from capitalism.Socialism has to be forced on people that want nothing to do with it, cannot afford it and will never use it. Socialism would be fine if it was an “opt in”... Obviously it’s notThat isn't entirely untrue. It was after all the socialist movements that took root following WWI and the great depression that led to a crisis for capitalists in Europe, and to a lesser degree in the US. The need to stamp out the socialist movements is what gave rise to fascism in Europe.Socialism is the incubator for dictatorships and fascism
But that just reinforces the idea that capitalism is a detriment to freedom, not its champion.
You lose.
How does it get there?Career politicians pocketsThat wasnt my question. I’m asking you where that money goes. Play it out through a few exchanges and let me know where you think it all ends up goingWhy are you dodging the question? Are you unable to answer it?Our debt is far more than we could ever pay back, And socialist entitlement programs are going to keep us broke.That’s why we are broke? The richest country in the world bar none?! Haha ok.
Well tell me where does all that money that the government is frivolous spending go? Where does it end up over time?
There is nothing more ways fold in the federal government
Socialist entitlement programs dominate spending and debt, everything else is pocket change
The federal government/deep stateHow does it get there?Career politicians pocketsThat wasnt my question. I’m asking you where that money goes. Play it out through a few exchanges and let me know where you think it all ends up goingWhy are you dodging the question? Are you unable to answer it?Our debt is far more than we could ever pay back, And socialist entitlement programs are going to keep us broke.
There is nothing more ways fold in the federal government
Socialist entitlement programs dominate spending and debt, everything else is pocket change
What about infrastructure? Treasury? National parks management?Like I said Military/police/fire are an necessary... The rest not so muchNone of that matters in the context of this conversation. You play all high and mighty calling everybody that believes in a collective effort to improve our society socialists. Then in the next breath you support collective efforts that use tax payer funds and control behavior. You’re either a hypocrite or a very dishonest debater.Military, fire and police don’t take up a lot of the budget, plus if people behave they generally don’t have any interaction with thoseYeah, it’s necessary to steal from and control people for the things you deem neccessary. Got it!Like I said that is an necessary, Most of the spending of this federal government is waste fraud and abuse... Their called socialist entitlement programs.You don’t want to control other people?! How are you paying for your police, fire and military?
Tell me the pathway, are you not understanding my questions or are just unable to give a real answer. Poor person gets $1000 welfare check or food stamps. How does that money get into the pocket of a politician?The federal government/deep stateHow does it get there?Career politicians pocketsThat wasnt my question. I’m asking you where that money goes. Play it out through a few exchanges and let me know where you think it all ends up goingWhy are you dodging the question? Are you unable to answer it?
Socialist entitlement programs dominate spending and debt, everything else is pocket change
All of that can be done more efficiently through private companies. That way we can get rid of the fucking deep state. Federal Civilian Employees are about as inefficient as it getsWhat about infrastructure? Treasury? National parks management?Like I said Military/police/fire are an necessary... The rest not so muchNone of that matters in the context of this conversation. You play all high and mighty calling everybody that believes in a collective effort to improve our society socialists. Then in the next breath you support collective efforts that use tax payer funds and control behavior. You’re either a hypocrite or a very dishonest debater.Military, fire and police don’t take up a lot of the budget, plus if people behave they generally don’t have any interaction with thoseYeah, it’s necessary to steal from and control people for the things you deem neccessary. Got it!Like I said that is an necessary, Most of the spending of this federal government is waste fraud and abuse... Their called socialist entitlement programs.
Ownership of all business and industry is communism, PURE SOCIALISM. SOCIALISM EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD but the GOP bubble of b*******, is every where democratic, Fair capitalism with a good safety net. Calling communism and socialism the same thing is brainwashed GOP drivel, which we now have a tidal wave of. Pure garbage, fear mongered tripe propaganda, super duper ignoramus.But it’s never been implemented properly before – this time around. I’m sure top people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will succeed where Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Mao, Castro, Chavez, Maduro, etc. have failed.
SORRY, DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS — YOU’RE STILL PUSHING POISON.
I happen to know a little something about the transfer of private industry to government control. My grandmother’s father had his bakery seized in the Soviet city of Gomel. He was sent to a gulag, where he then died.
Oh, that’s crazy, Democratic Socialists would respond. No one is planning to seize bakeries. And no one will be sent to prison for owning a business.
No? What if those who own companies in industries that “necessitate some form of state ownership” don’t want to give them up willingly? What happens when the state runs out of money from the industries seized and needs more?
It’s baffling how we can still be considering centralized control of industries when that has never worked anywhere. And how socialism lovers so easily dismiss the underlying foundation in countries that have veered toward some form of that system: capitalism. Countries such as Norway, for example, are helped by a large abundance of natural resources and an essentially capitalist system supporting the welfare state.
On the other hand, nations where socialism continues to wreak havoc and spur poverty, disease and crime, like Venezuela, don’t have much support from capitalism. Fact is, “socialism” only works when it’s paid for by capitalism.
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In the fall of 1959, Nikita Khrushchev gave a series of speeches here. In one, he said, “We are catching up with you in economic progress, and the time is not far distant when we will move into the lead.” In Russia, that prompted folks to joke: “When we finally catch up to America, can I get off?”
That’s just printed paper, someone has to pay for that welfare check… You do realize that we are past the point of no return when it comes to socialist entitlement programs?Tell me the pathway, are you not understanding my questions or are just unable to give a real answer. Poor person gets $1000 welfare check or food stamps. How does that money get into the pocket of a politician?The federal government/deep stateHow does it get there?Career politicians pocketsThat wasnt my question. I’m asking you where that money goes. Play it out through a few exchanges and let me know where you think it all ends up going
Socialist entitlement programs dominate spending and debt, everything else is pocket change
Actually socialism is much worse than communism… Socialism is the incubator for dictatorshipsOwnership of all business and industry is communism, PURE SOCIALISM. SOCIALISM EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD but the GOP bubble of b*******, is every where democratic, Fair capitalism with a good safety net. Calling communism and socialism the same thing is brainwashed GOP drivel, which we now have a tidal wave of. Pure garbage, fear mongered tripe propaganda, super duper ignoramus.But it’s never been implemented properly before – this time around. I’m sure top people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will succeed where Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Mao, Castro, Chavez, Maduro, etc. have failed.
SORRY, DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS — YOU’RE STILL PUSHING POISON.
I happen to know a little something about the transfer of private industry to government control. My grandmother’s father had his bakery seized in the Soviet city of Gomel. He was sent to a gulag, where he then died.
Oh, that’s crazy, Democratic Socialists would respond. No one is planning to seize bakeries. And no one will be sent to prison for owning a business.
No? What if those who own companies in industries that “necessitate some form of state ownership” don’t want to give them up willingly? What happens when the state runs out of money from the industries seized and needs more?
It’s baffling how we can still be considering centralized control of industries when that has never worked anywhere. And how socialism lovers so easily dismiss the underlying foundation in countries that have veered toward some form of that system: capitalism. Countries such as Norway, for example, are helped by a large abundance of natural resources and an essentially capitalist system supporting the welfare state.
On the other hand, nations where socialism continues to wreak havoc and spur poverty, disease and crime, like Venezuela, don’t have much support from capitalism. Fact is, “socialism” only works when it’s paid for by capitalism.
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In the fall of 1959, Nikita Khrushchev gave a series of speeches here. In one, he said, “We are catching up with you in economic progress, and the time is not far distant when we will move into the lead.” In Russia, that prompted folks to joke: “When we finally catch up to America, can I get off?”
Socialism is simply Fair capitalism with good regulation...Socialism, properly understood, frees people. Capitalism will never secure the freedom made possible by socialism.That’s what I said there is no reason for socialism other than to control people....The point of my previous post flew right over your head I guess. It was capitalism that was forced on people in fascist Europe and in countless Latin American countries over the years. Fascism always raises its head when people gravitate away from capitalism.Socialism has to be forced on people that want nothing to do with it, cannot afford it and will never use it. Socialism would be fine if it was an “opt in”... Obviously it’s notThat isn't entirely untrue. It was after all the socialist movements that took root following WWI and the great depression that led to a crisis for capitalists in Europe, and to a lesser degree in the US. The need to stamp out the socialist movements is what gave rise to fascism in Europe.Socialism is the incubator for dictatorships and fascism
But that just reinforces the idea that capitalism is a detriment to freedom, not its champion.
You lose.
Na, not reallySocialism is simply Fair capitalism with good regulation...Socialism, properly understood, frees people. Capitalism will never secure the freedom made possible by socialism.That’s what I said there is no reason for socialism other than to control people....The point of my previous post flew right over your head I guess. It was capitalism that was forced on people in fascist Europe and in countless Latin American countries over the years. Fascism always raises its head when people gravitate away from capitalism.Socialism has to be forced on people that want nothing to do with it, cannot afford it and will never use it. Socialism would be fine if it was an “opt in”... Obviously it’s notThat isn't entirely untrue. It was after all the socialist movements that took root following WWI and the great depression that led to a crisis for capitalists in Europe, and to a lesser degree in the US. The need to stamp out the socialist movements is what gave rise to fascism in Europe.
But that just reinforces the idea that capitalism is a detriment to freedom, not its champion.
You lose.
The Mandate is over get over it. Obama didn't want it. Stupid democratic Representatives...Na, not reallySocialism is simply Fair capitalism with good regulation...Socialism, properly understood, frees people. Capitalism will never secure the freedom made possible by socialism.That’s what I said there is no reason for socialism other than to control people....The point of my previous post flew right over your head I guess. It was capitalism that was forced on people in fascist Europe and in countless Latin American countries over the years. Fascism always raises its head when people gravitate away from capitalism.Socialism has to be forced on people that want nothing to do with it, cannot afford it and will never use it. Socialism would be fine if it was an “opt in”... Obviously it’s not
Anything that has to be forced on people “for their own good” is no good at all...
It doesn’t matter if it is federal employees or private companies it is still tax payer money paying for itAll of that can be done more efficiently through private companies. That way we can get rid of the fucking deep state. Federal Civilian Employees are about as inefficient as it getsWhat about infrastructure? Treasury? National parks management?Like I said Military/police/fire are an necessary... The rest not so muchNone of that matters in the context of this conversation. You play all high and mighty calling everybody that believes in a collective effort to improve our society socialists. Then in the next breath you support collective efforts that use tax payer funds and control behavior. You’re either a hypocrite or a very dishonest debater.Military, fire and police don’t take up a lot of the budget, plus if people behave they generally don’t have any interaction with thoseYeah, it’s necessary to steal from and control people for the things you deem neccessary. Got it!
The real socialist answer for healthcare is a single-payer system, so out of everyone's taxes, which you probably won't like either LOL. So ACA with no mandate is perfect for you, good luck!I would have no problem with socialism if it was 100% voluntary, if it was any good it would not require everybody’s participation
Again you dodge the question. How doesn’t it end up in the pockets of politicians?That’s just printed paper, someone has to pay for that welfare check… You do realize that we are past the point of no return when it comes to socialist entitlement programs?Tell me the pathway, are you not understanding my questions or are just unable to give a real answer. Poor person gets $1000 welfare check or food stamps. How does that money get into the pocket of a politician?The federal government/deep stateHow does it get there?Career politicians pocketsThat wasnt my question. I’m asking you where that money goes. Play it out through a few exchanges and let me know where you think it all ends up going
