Can Bernie beat Trump?

[gipper]

You have been brainwashed. Bernie is not a nut. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donnie.

You have been brainwashed. It doesn't not require brainwashing to think Bernie is a nut; it just requires listening to him. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donald Trump.

Why do want the ultra rich protected by government, but no one else? Are you a billionaire?

Straw man.

I suspect you don’t know the ultra rich have a powerful uncle that makes sure they are well cared for. Shouldn’t uncle help the poorest, rather than the richest?

The rich! The rich! The rich! The rich!

Dude it's not the fault of the rich that Bernie has no clue how to pay for his crazy socialist ideas. Nor is it the fault of the rich that the ideas are 100% anti-American.

I’m afraid you can’t read. It’s not the riches fault our government protects them and bails them out.

 

[Lakhota]

I like the current forms of socialism that we already have, but I think Bernie's brand of socialism is too extreme for America at this time. Plus, I think Bernie is a poor messenger. Socialism isn't one-size-fits-all. It comes in varying degrees and forms. Our existing socialist programs make our lives better. Can anyone honestly deny that? If so - please read through the following list and tell us which socialist programs you would like to live without:

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

Having a social program isn't socialism.

It's retarded to think anything the government does is socialism. Of course, in America the government should do as little as possible. Land of the free...

Funny. The role of government is to make our lives better and safe.

Nope. The role of government is to protect our freedoms to make OUR OWN lives better.

Okay, how does government do that? Downsizing and privatizing?

 

[Lakhota]

So, the Russians are also trying to help Trump by helping Bernie. That is not surprising - considering that Russia thinks Trump's best chance of winning in 2020 is to be up against Bernie.

Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his campaign

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yes, I fully understand how it works, but why on earth would I want 1/3 of our government to be controlled by a nut who is either too stupid to realize that his policies will destroy our country or that is his goal? The president has veto power, which is powerful. If enough AOC types get elected into Congress, our country would go in the crapper and fast. Not sure why people can't understand this.

You have been brainwashed. Bernie is not a nut. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donnie.

You have been brainwashed. It doesn't not require brainwashing to think Bernie is a nut; it just requires listening to him. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donald Trump.

Why do want the ultra rich protected by government, but no one else? Are you a billionaire?

Straw man.

I suspect you don’t know the ultra rich have a powerful uncle that makes sure they are well cared for. Shouldn’t uncle help the poorest, rather than the richest?

Personally, I think the US government should work for the benefit of everyone who's a citizen or legal resident, but I'm not laboring under the crippling effects of self-righteous victimhood coupled with liver-eating envy.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I like the current forms of socialism that we already have, but I think Bernie's brand of socialism is too extreme for America at this time. Plus, I think Bernie is a poor messenger. Socialism isn't one-size-fits-all. It comes in varying degrees and forms. Our existing socialist programs make our lives better. Can anyone honestly deny that? If so - please read through the following list and tell us which socialist programs you would like to live without:

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

Having a social program isn't socialism.

It's retarded to think anything the government does is socialism. Of course, in America the government should do as little as possible. Land of the free...

Funny. The role of government is to make our lives better and safe.

Nope. The role of government is to protect our freedoms to make OUR OWN lives better.

Okay, how does government do that? Downsizing and privatizing?

You get a copy of the Constitution. See the parts labeled "Articles"? The government does that shit, ONLY the stuff that's actually written. See the parts labeled "Amendments"? They respect that shit and keep their mitts off, ONLY the stuff that's actually written.

And there you go.

 

[Crepitus]

I think you're wrong, and Bernie can beat tRump. It seems to me like it's finally time for his ideas to get a shot. Yes, the tRumplings are already crying "socialism" the same way religious fanatics cried "heresy" during the Inquisition but it doesn't seem to have the impact it had last time around. The electorate is changing, responding to four years racism, Russians, and ineptitude. The people are sick of tRump.

I agree that the electorate is changing - but Bernie is too far left for this time. America isn't there yet.

I think we are, or at least enough of us are.

By all means, run him and let's see.

I'm all in.

And I'm glad to hear it. I can't think of anyone's shock, outrage, and misery I will enjoy more than yours when he fails.

He won't fail.

 

[gipper]

You have been brainwashed. Bernie is not a nut. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donnie.

You have been brainwashed. It doesn't not require brainwashing to think Bernie is a nut; it just requires listening to him. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donald Trump.

Why do want the ultra rich protected by government, but no one else? Are you a billionaire?

Straw man.

I suspect you don’t know the ultra rich have a powerful uncle that makes sure they are well cared for. Shouldn’t uncle help the poorest, rather than the richest?

Personally, I think the US government should work for the benefit of everyone who's a citizen or legal resident, but I'm not laboring under the crippling effects of self-righteous victimhood coupled with liver-eating envy.

LOL. You’re dreaming.

 

[NightFox]

You should never say never but IMHO Bernie Sanders will have a very difficult time unseating Donny if the current economic and social conditions hold.

According to Gallup 90% of Americans say they are satisfied with their personal lives (January 2020), and when Gallup broke that down by different areas of their personal lives (2019) the numbers are equally overwhelmingly positive.
Satisfaction With Personal Life

Given the positive feelings that the vast majority of Americans are showing with the status quo, why would they vote to replace the POTUS with a radical 78 year socialist? I could see this as a possibility if we were back in 2008 in the midst of economic and social turmoil, but now?

What strategy would a Sanders campaign pursue? "I know you think you're satisfied but you're too stupid to know that you shouldn't be" ?

The wildcard factor is of course Donny, being the pompous ass that he is, doing something idiotic to beat himself but barring that or a complete economic or social meltdown, I'd put Comrade Sanders chances of winning a General Election in the slim to very slim category.

The number one issue is HC and affordability, and Bernie's plan is to take away your plan and raise your taxes to put you on Medicare. He says you'll save money on copay and deductible … even though Medicare has 20% copays and the prescript coverage has people buying supplemental policies or skipping meds.

80% of people responded that they are either very satisfied or somewhat satisfied with their standard of living and the things that can afford to buy, so it doesn't appear that the average American is ready to burn the entire house down and start over with a flipped out 78 old socialist that thinks we should nationalize healthcare along with the banks and the energy sector and whatever happens to piss him off that day.

... and Bernie Sanders cannot fix the healthcare affordability issue anymore than the GAZILLION other politicians that promised to do it before and just ended up making it more expensive, Comrade Sanders doesn't even understand why it's so expensive because he doesn't understand supply and demand, therfore if the Trumpian cohort has any brains they'll easily shred his idiotic one size fits all government run health insurance SCAM.

Just look at what Sanders has actually accomplished in all his years in the Senate, NOTTA, ZERO, ZIP how hard you think it's going to be to convince the public that he's full of shit on healthcare?

 

[NightFox]

You should never say never but IMHO Bernie Sanders will have a very difficult time unseating Donny if the current economic and social conditions hold.

According to Gallup 90% of Americans say they are satisfied with their personal lives (January 2020), and when Gallup broke that down by different areas of their personal lives (2019) the numbers are equally overwhelmingly positive.
Satisfaction With Personal Life

Given the positive feelings that the vast majority of Americans are showing with the status quo, why would they vote to replace the POTUS with a radical 78 year socialist? I could see this as a possibility if we were back in 2008 in the midst of economic and social turmoil, but now?

What strategy would a Sanders campaign pursue? "I know you think you're satisfied but you're too stupid to know that you shouldn't be" ?

The wildcard factor is of course Donny, being the pompous ass that he is, doing something idiotic to beat himself but barring that or a complete economic or social meltdown, I'd put Comrade Sanders chances of winning a General Election in the slim to very slim category.

The number one issue is HC and affordability, and Bernie's plan is to take away your plan and raise your taxes to put you on Medicare. He says you'll save money on copay and deductible … even though Medicare has 20% copays and the prescript coverage has people buying supplemental policies or skipping meds.

It's a fascinating plan of attack for Bernie, in that it puts him in opposition to labor unions, who are usually some of the biggest Democrat supporters.

What's "fascinating" about it ?

It's the same fucking plan of attack the leftwing dingbats have been spouting for decades, namely FULL GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF HEALTH INSURANCE FUNDED BY EATING THE "RICH"! 'CAUSE DENMARK! , maybe someday these wannabe Soviet Cosmonauts will ask somebody other than a hyperactive kindergartner on crack what their plan to "fix" healthcare should be.

 

[FA_Q2]

I really don't think so! I welcome any credible views to the contrary. Here is what I think:

1. If Bernie wins the democratic primary - we'll likely have four more years of Trump*.

2. If Bernie loses the democratic primary - his supporters will likely not support the winner. Trump* wins.

3. Therefore, either way, it looks good for Trump*.

4. I'm watching Bloomberg very closely.

Sanders could beat Trump, depends on the economy at the time and also many Sanders supporters voted for Trump in 2016. Also in 2016, Sanders polled better than Clinton when matched against Trump.

For those Bernie supporters that think Socialism would be great. Seek out many Chinese that fled mainland China and ask them what they think of Socialism. They will get an earful and it isn't good.

As my son pointed out yesterday, that never helps because socialists always tell themselves, "They just weren't doing it correctly. It just needs US to be in charge, because WE are smart enough to do socialism right."

Petterson puts it really well.



The idea that something was not real socialism and you can do it better is an pernicious thought.

 

[Lakhota]

Trumpism is much more destructive than Socialism!

 

[Lakhota]

BERNIE TO ‘THUG’ PUTIN: ‘STAY OUT’ OF OUR ELECTIONS

Very presidential.

 

[JoeB131]

O ran against Wall Street in his first election, then after he won, gave them everything they wanted and more.

You need to understand the mindset of the .1%. They own the government and politicians. They have been running the show for decades. They don’t fear Bernie, but they will easily dupe people like you into thinking that only another corporatist warmonger can win.

Naw, they don't fear Bernie, they realize that he'll eventually run out of broke college students to scam and then they'll crush him.

 

[JoeB131]

This Bloomberg shithead is one of the bad people with more money than he has brains. For instance, he is using his money to create pressure to take away our Constitutional rights, That is a real piece of shit.

By constitutional right, you mean your ability to compensate for a tiny pecker with a gun?

Sorry, the Second Amendment is about militias, not gun ownership.

 

[JoeB131]

Many of the wealthy elite feel that way. That should tell us something about them.

That they know Bernie is an idiot? Yes. yes, they do.

 

[gipper]

Many of the wealthy elite feel that way. That should tell us something about them.

That they know Bernie is an idiot? Yes. yes, they do.

Yes they do. So do you, because you always believe the establishment.

Whatever Hillary says you believe.

So sorry.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes they do. So do you, because you always believe the establishment.

Whatever Hillary says you believe.

So sorry.

I can listen to Bernie's own words and realize he's kind of an idiot.

It's when he says "Democratic Socialism" with a straight face.

 

[gipper]

Yes they do. So do you, because you always believe the establishment.

Whatever Hillary says you believe.

So sorry.

I can listen to Bernie's own words and realize he's kind of an idiot.

It's when he says "Democratic Socialism" with a straight face.

We know Joe. Whatever the establishment says.

 

[FA_Q2]

Trumpism is much more destructive than Socialism!

We already knew you had no idea what socialism is.

You did not really need to prove it...

 

[DBA]

So, the Russians are also trying to help Trump by helping Bernie. That is not surprising - considering that Russia thinks Trump's best chance of winning in 2020 is to be up against Bernie.

Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his campaign

The US has gotten stronger since Trump became President. People are making more money and he has increased the strength of our military. Bernie doesn't give two shakes about our military and he will destroy our economy. Russia and all other enemies(China) would LOVE to see Bernie or any of the lefttards elected in this year.