Can Bernie beat Trump?

I really don't think so! I welcome any credible views to the contrary. Here is what I think:

1. If Bernie wins the democratic primary - we'll likely have four more years of Trump*.

2. If Bernie loses the democratic primary - his supporters will likely not support the winner. Trump* wins.

3. Therefore, either way, it looks good for Trump*.

4. I'm watching Bloomberg very closely.

I’m thinking same as you. We’re fucked either way. Bernie can’t be caught at this point. And if he picks another Democratic Socialist as a running mate, we’re double-fucked.

Here’s our only hope - Bernie picks a much younger Hispanic or Black female as a running mate. Maybe Kamala, Stacey Abrams orrr?

Need ideas. Jesus - a 78 year old socialist white guy who YELLS at clouds ... Really?
 
You should never say never but IMHO Bernie Sanders will have a very difficult time unseating Donny if the current economic and social conditions hold.

According to Gallup 90% of Americans say they are satisfied with their personal lives (January 2020), and when Gallup broke that down by different areas of their personal lives (2019) the numbers are equally overwhelmingly positive.
Satisfaction With Personal Life

Given the positive feelings that the vast majority of Americans are showing with the status quo, why would they vote to replace the POTUS with a radical 78 year socialist? I could see this as a possibility if we were back in 2008 in the midst of economic and social turmoil, but now?

What strategy would a Sanders campaign pursue? "I know you think you're satisfied but you're too stupid to know that you shouldn't be" ?

The wildcard factor is of course Donny, being the pompous ass that he is, doing something idiotic to beat himself but barring that or a complete economic or social meltdown, I'd put Comrade Sanders chances of winning a General Election in the slim to very slim category.
The number one issue is HC and affordability, and Bernie's plan is to take away your plan and raise your taxes to put you on Medicare. He says you'll save money on copay and deductible … even though Medicare has 20% copays and the prescript coverage has people buying supplemental policies or skipping meds.

It's a fascinating plan of attack for Bernie, in that it puts him in opposition to labor unions, who are usually some of the biggest Democrat supporters.
 
Many of the wealthy elite feel that way. That should tell us something about them.

It tells us that at least they are not self destructive like you are.

Then again, you only have your mother's basement to lose.
Delusional. You clearly aren’t informed.

What's clear is that you can't refute him.
Refute what?

That billionaire attitudes toward Bernie indicate that they aren't as self-destructive as the average leftist.
 
It tells us that at least they are not self destructive like you are.

Then again, you only have your mother's basement to lose.
Delusional. You clearly aren’t informed.

Hillary already said it to Bernie in 2016, they are basement dwellers. He agreed and endorsed Hillary.

I recommend getting a job, easier than ever in Trump economy.
I don’t need a job. I’m independently wealthy. Unlike you, I care about Americans who aren’t as fortunate as I am.

If you care about Americans, you don't vote for a socialist.

It's simple as that. Socialism is anti-American.
I know you don’t understand the meaning of socialism. Please get informed before posting.

Has that tactic of "Oh, you disagree with me, that just means you don't understand, go find out how right I am, because I can't explain it" ever worked?
 
Delusional. You clearly aren’t informed.

Hillary already said it to Bernie in 2016, they are basement dwellers. He agreed and endorsed Hillary.

I recommend getting a job, easier than ever in Trump economy.
I don’t need a job. I’m independently wealthy. Unlike you, I care about Americans who aren’t as fortunate as I am.

If you care about Americans, you don't vote for a socialist.

It's simple as that. Socialism is anti-American.
I know you don’t understand the meaning of socialism. Please get informed before posting.

Has that tactic of "Oh, you disagree with me, that just means you don't understand, go find out how right I am, because I can't explain it" ever worked?

He certainly thinks like an elitist socialist.
 
Hillary already said it to Bernie in 2016, they are basement dwellers. He agreed and endorsed Hillary.

I recommend getting a job, easier than ever in Trump economy.
I don’t need a job. I’m independently wealthy. Unlike you, I care about Americans who aren’t as fortunate as I am.

If you care about Americans, you don't vote for a socialist.

It's simple as that. Socialism is anti-American.
I know you don’t understand the meaning of socialism. Please get informed before posting.

What we do know is what Bernie has laid out. Whatever you want to call it, he refers to it as Democratic Socialism. It will destroy our economy. That is pretty much anybody needs to know.

Democratic socialism is defined as having a socialist economy in which the means of production are socially and collectively owned or controlled, alongside a democratic political system of government. Democratic socialism rejects self-described socialist states just as it rejects Marxism–Leninism.

Sounds so very American, and not at all communist.

So basically, we get to choose our tyrants for ourselves?
 
I like the current forms of socialism that we already have, but I think Bernie's brand of socialism is too extreme for America at this time. Plus, I think Bernie is a poor messenger. Socialism isn't one-size-fits-all. It comes in varying degrees and forms. Our existing socialist programs make our lives better. Can anyone honestly deny that? If so - please read through the following list and tell us which socialist programs you would like to live without:

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America
 
Hillary already said it to Bernie in 2016, they are basement dwellers. He agreed and endorsed Hillary.

I recommend getting a job, easier than ever in Trump economy.
I don’t need a job. I’m independently wealthy. Unlike you, I care about Americans who aren’t as fortunate as I am.

If you care about Americans, you don't vote for a socialist.

It's simple as that. Socialism is anti-American.
I know you don’t understand the meaning of socialism. Please get informed before posting.

What we do know is what Bernie has laid out. Whatever you want to call it, he refers to it as Democratic Socialism. It will destroy our economy. That is pretty much anybody needs to know.
You do understand how our government works right? If Bernie is elected, he will have to get congress to pass his agenda. This is not socialism. It’s how a republic works.

So you're saying, "We have a Congress, so that means anything we do isn't socialism!"?

I think YOU are the one who doesn't understand what socialism is.
 
I like the current forms of socialism that we already have, but I think Bernie's brand of socialism is too extreme for America at this time. Plus, I think Bernie is a poor messenger. Socialism isn't one-size-fits-all. It comes in varying degrees and forms. Our existing socialist programs make our lives better. Can anyone honestly deny that? If so - please read through the following list and tell us which socialist programs you would like to live without:

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

Having a social program isn't socialism.

It's retarded to think anything the government does is socialism. Of course, in America the government should do as little as possible. Land of the free...
 
I like the current forms of socialism that we already have, but I think Bernie's brand of socialism is too extreme for America at this time. Plus, I think Bernie is a poor messenger. Socialism isn't one-size-fits-all. It comes in varying degrees and forms. Our existing socialist programs make our lives better. Can anyone honestly deny that? If so - please read through the following list and tell us which socialist programs you would like to live without:

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

Having a social program isn't socialism.

It's retarded to think anything the government does is socialism. Of course, in America the government should do as little as possible. Land of the free...

Funny. The role of government is to make our lives better and safe.
 
I like the current forms of socialism that we already have, but I think Bernie's brand of socialism is too extreme for America at this time. Plus, I think Bernie is a poor messenger. Socialism isn't one-size-fits-all. It comes in varying degrees and forms. Our existing socialist programs make our lives better. Can anyone honestly deny that? If so - please read through the following list and tell us which socialist programs you would like to live without:

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

Having a social program isn't socialism.

It's retarded to think anything the government does is socialism. Of course, in America the government should do as little as possible. Land of the free...

Funny. The role of government is to make our lives better and safe.

That's not the government's job. That's your job lazy ass...
 
If you care about Americans, you don't vote for a socialist.

It's simple as that. Socialism is anti-American.
I know you don’t understand the meaning of socialism. Please get informed before posting.

What we do know is what Bernie has laid out. Whatever you want to call it, he refers to it as Democratic Socialism. It will destroy our economy. That is pretty much anybody needs to know.
You do understand how our government works right? If Bernie is elected, he will have to get congress to pass his agenda. This is not socialism. It’s how a republic works.

Yes, I fully understand how it works, but why on earth would I want 1/3 of our government to be controlled by a nut who is either too stupid to realize that his policies will destroy our country or that is his goal? The president has veto power, which is powerful. If enough AOC types get elected into Congress, our country would go in the crapper and fast. Not sure why people can't understand this.
You have been brainwashed. Bernie is not a nut. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donnie.

You have been brainwashed. It doesn't not require brainwashing to think Bernie is a nut; it just requires listening to him. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donald Trump.
 
I like the current forms of socialism that we already have, but I think Bernie's brand of socialism is too extreme for America at this time. Plus, I think Bernie is a poor messenger. Socialism isn't one-size-fits-all. It comes in varying degrees and forms. Our existing socialist programs make our lives better. Can anyone honestly deny that? If so - please read through the following list and tell us which socialist programs you would like to live without:

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

We've discussed this multiple times. Most of the things you want to claim as "socialism" aren't; they're just government functions. Stop believing the propaganda that "all government = socialism". It's just a Judas goat to lead you into the slaughterhouse.
 
I like the current forms of socialism that we already have, but I think Bernie's brand of socialism is too extreme for America at this time. Plus, I think Bernie is a poor messenger. Socialism isn't one-size-fits-all. It comes in varying degrees and forms. Our existing socialist programs make our lives better. Can anyone honestly deny that? If so - please read through the following list and tell us which socialist programs you would like to live without:

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

Having a social program isn't socialism.

It's retarded to think anything the government does is socialism. Of course, in America the government should do as little as possible. Land of the free...

Funny. The role of government is to make our lives better and safe.

Nope. The role of government is to protect our freedoms to make OUR OWN lives better.
 
If you care about Americans, you don't vote for a socialist.

It's simple as that. Socialism is anti-American.
I know you don’t understand the meaning of socialism. Please get informed before posting.

What we do know is what Bernie has laid out. Whatever you want to call it, he refers to it as Democratic Socialism. It will destroy our economy. That is pretty much anybody needs to know.
You do understand how our government works right? If Bernie is elected, he will have to get congress to pass his agenda. This is not socialism. It’s how a republic works.

Yes, I fully understand how it works, but why on earth would I want 1/3 of our government to be controlled by a nut who is either too stupid to realize that his policies will destroy our country or that is his goal? The president has veto power, which is powerful. If enough AOC types get elected into Congress, our country would go in the crapper and fast. Not sure why people can't understand this.
You have been brainwashed. Bernie is not a nut. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donnie.

He is either a nut, a traitor or just plain stupid. You pick. Bernie's ideas will destroy our economy. He has pie in the sky plans that won't work. He is a Pollyanna.
 
I know you don’t understand the meaning of socialism. Please get informed before posting.

What we do know is what Bernie has laid out. Whatever you want to call it, he refers to it as Democratic Socialism. It will destroy our economy. That is pretty much anybody needs to know.
You do understand how our government works right? If Bernie is elected, he will have to get congress to pass his agenda. This is not socialism. It’s how a republic works.

Yes, I fully understand how it works, but why on earth would I want 1/3 of our government to be controlled by a nut who is either too stupid to realize that his policies will destroy our country or that is his goal? The president has veto power, which is powerful. If enough AOC types get elected into Congress, our country would go in the crapper and fast. Not sure why people can't understand this.
You have been brainwashed. Bernie is not a nut. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donnie.

You have been brainwashed. It doesn't not require brainwashing to think Bernie is a nut; it just requires listening to him. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donald Trump.
Why do want the ultra rich protected by government, but no one else? Are you a billionaire?
 
What we do know is what Bernie has laid out. Whatever you want to call it, he refers to it as Democratic Socialism. It will destroy our economy. That is pretty much anybody needs to know.
You do understand how our government works right? If Bernie is elected, he will have to get congress to pass his agenda. This is not socialism. It’s how a republic works.

Yes, I fully understand how it works, but why on earth would I want 1/3 of our government to be controlled by a nut who is either too stupid to realize that his policies will destroy our country or that is his goal? The president has veto power, which is powerful. If enough AOC types get elected into Congress, our country would go in the crapper and fast. Not sure why people can't understand this.
You have been brainwashed. Bernie is not a nut. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donnie.

You have been brainwashed. It doesn't not require brainwashing to think Bernie is a nut; it just requires listening to him. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donald Trump.
Why do want the ultra rich protected by government, but no one else? Are you a billionaire?

Straw man.
 
You do understand how our government works right? If Bernie is elected, he will have to get congress to pass his agenda. This is not socialism. It’s how a republic works.

Yes, I fully understand how it works, but why on earth would I want 1/3 of our government to be controlled by a nut who is either too stupid to realize that his policies will destroy our country or that is his goal? The president has veto power, which is powerful. If enough AOC types get elected into Congress, our country would go in the crapper and fast. Not sure why people can't understand this.
You have been brainwashed. Bernie is not a nut. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donnie.

You have been brainwashed. It doesn't not require brainwashing to think Bernie is a nut; it just requires listening to him. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donald Trump.
Why do want the ultra rich protected by government, but no one else? Are you a billionaire?

Straw man.
I suspect you don’t know the ultra rich have a powerful uncle that makes sure they are well cared for. Shouldn’t uncle help the poorest, rather than the richest?
 
Yes, I fully understand how it works, but why on earth would I want 1/3 of our government to be controlled by a nut who is either too stupid to realize that his policies will destroy our country or that is his goal? The president has veto power, which is powerful. If enough AOC types get elected into Congress, our country would go in the crapper and fast. Not sure why people can't understand this.
You have been brainwashed. Bernie is not a nut. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donnie.

You have been brainwashed. It doesn't not require brainwashing to think Bernie is a nut; it just requires listening to him. Stop mimicking those on the left who hate Donald Trump.
Why do want the ultra rich protected by government, but no one else? Are you a billionaire?

Straw man.
I suspect you don’t know the ultra rich have a powerful uncle that makes sure they are well cared for. Shouldn’t uncle help the poorest, rather than the richest?

The rich! The rich! The rich! The rich!

Dude it's not the fault of the rich that Bernie has no clue how to pay for his crazy socialist ideas. Nor is it the fault of the rich that the ideas are 100% anti-American.
 

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