Can Gun Nuts Please Stop Saying You Need Guns to Protect Yourself From A Potential Tyrannical Government!!!

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All devoted communists are stupid.
CommunistFront is a devoted communist.
Therefore, CommunistFront is stupid.

Discuss.

Try to focus on the relationship between the syllogism and the truth value of the premises. Also, try to relate the syllogism to the thread topic. Similarities? Differences?

 

[Rye Catcher]

It makes you sound mentally challenged.

Having guns is not going to protect you from the police or military. With normal police equipment, SWAT teams, police tactics and fire power etc, they can easily neutralize any armed threat or movement. They wouldn't even break a sweat. Not to mention, police surveillance tactics will make it impossible for an anti-government group to organize a big enough threat to the regime. You don't have a chance. And that is only the police. Your little AR-15 isn't going to do anything to a drone, tank, apache helicopter, fighter jet or combat unit (much less special forces). There is a reason you have not seen a people's uprising to over-throw a government even in Africa in decade. And really only Sudan has been overthrown by a military coup.

No, the only reason you want certain guns (such as a AR-15) is because you like to have them.

It is true the vast majority of gun owners are responsible and good people, including AR-15 owners. But that 1% or 0.05% that are not responsible can cause havoc, as we just saw in Highland park (an event I was on my way to attend and an event to which I know many people that were directly effected).

If you want to hunt, then a single shot hunting rifle will suffice. If it is about home defense, then handguns and shotguns (which as both short-range) would be sufficient.

There are many things that can be done, such as arm teachers, have cops in schools, secure soft targets, better mental health facilities, red flag rules and immunity for snitching, involuntary institutionalization, high standards for gun ownership, higher and minimum sentences for illegal gun possession, Federal no buy lists, vicarious liability for guns for the gun owner etc., but stop with the argument that you need guns for tyrannical governments! Because it is foolish.

There should be a ban on all guns other then single shot hunting rifles, handguns and shotguns.

Now I know handguns are by far the weapon of choice in the vast number of homicides, but so called "assault rifles" (yes I know that is a term the liberals made up) it by far a more sufficient weapon to commit mass murder then a handgun, even if they are semi-automatic (vs full).

Keep sticking to these stances that turn off the moderates (e.g. ban on abortion and do nothing on guns) and then cry about how Demorats can win with gas over $5-6, out of control inflation, major blunders in foreign policy and everyone hating woke politics. If the Demorats keep the House and pick up senate seats you are going to see the most radical changes to this country that we haver ever seen.

The reality in most of this long post makes sense. The takeaway of the last sentence needs explanation. What radical changes if the Democrats have a hold on the White House and The Congress?

BIG LIES don't hold water, and yet the easily led faux conservatives have been brainwashed that the "left" supports Communism, Socialism and Marxism; these are foolish BIG LIES and yet they proof that ignorance and fear is a powerful tactic to get voters to elect a far right radical Republican Party.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Cuba doesn't have access to the international banking system or lines of credit. It can't open an account in any bank. It also can't import a long list of products and materials, including spare parts for a lot of its machinery. So obviously you're very ignorant. During the pandemic, Cuba couldn't import respirators or syringes. If the embargo is nothing, as people like you assert, then lift it. I say that to my fellow Cuban Americans in Miami, who are so adamant about sanctioning Cuba. If I tell them that the economic difficulties in Cuba are the result of the sanctions, they say " no no, it's socialism". So I respond, "OK, lift the sanctions then. Why impose sanctions if they don't do anything to Cuba?" and they answer "No!! WE MUST CONTINUE WITH THE SANCTIONS!!!". Sanctions supposedly don't do shit, right? Why continue with them? Obviously, they do a tremendous amount of harm, that's why the US government imposes sanctions on nations that don't toe the line and submit to its imperialist agenda.

Continue denying the destructive effects of US foreign policy on nations like Cuba, Nicaragua, Honduras..etc, and you'll just get more of us spicks running across your border. How about that? More of us Hispanics, taking your jobs and fucking your white daughters. We'll name your grandchildren Juan and Maria, and feed them Tacos (we'll teach them Spanish).

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"Cuba doesn't have access to the international banking system or lines of credit."

Thank Castro for that. Nothing stopping them from rejoining. And Cuba can import anything it wants.

CUBA AND IMF MEMBERSHIP​

Cuba was an original member of the IMF. However, it withdrew in 1964, one of very few members that have taken such a drastic step in the three-quarters of a century since the institution’s founding.

Cuba's Top Imports 2022

Main imported products imported by Cuba in 2022 organized by major categories machinery, electronics, cereals & meat

www.worldstopexports.com

The following product groups represent the highest dollar value in Cuba’s import purchases during 2020. Also shown is the percentage share each product category represents in terms of overall imports into Cuba.

1. Machinery including computers: US$509.3 million (14.8% of total imports)
2. Electrical machinery, equipment: $303.3 million (8.8%)
3. Meat: $269.3 million (7.8%)
4. Cereals: $243.7 million (7.1%)
5. Plastics, plastic articles: $164.2 million (4.8%)
6. Dairy, eggs, honey: $138.1 million (4%)
7. Vehicles: $121.5 million (3.5%)
8. Articles of iron or steel: $104.5 million (3%)
9. Furniture, bedding, lighting, signs, prefabricated buildings: $87.2 million (2.5%)
10. Other chemical goods: $81.2 million (2.4%)

And Cuba lifted its own sanctions to get medical supplies. So go pound sand.

Cuba lifts customs restrictions on food and medicine after biggest protests in decades | CNN

Cuba announced on Wednesday it was temporarily lifting restrictions on travelers bringing food, medicines and hygiene products into the country in an apparent acknowledgment of demands from anti-government demonstrators.

www.cnn.com

Furthermore:

Cuba says U.S. embargo is 'obstacle' to getting coronavirus-fighting supplies. Not so, says U.S.

The embargo is “the main obstacle to purchase the medicines, equipment and material required to confront the pandemic,” Cuba's Foreign Minister tweeted.

www.nbcnews.com

The U.S. government told NBC News:

According to a U.S. State Department spokesperson, in 2019 the U.S. exported $3.7 million worth of medicine and supplies to Cuba, including diagnostic equipment and supplies “to support the Cuban people.” They also authorized the export of hundreds of millions of dollars worth of medical goods in 2019 (President Trump) . The U.S. accuses Cuba’s government of mismanaging its economy and of not addressing the Cuban people’s most basic needs. “It alone is responsible for the ongoing medical supply shortages,” the spokesperson said in a statement.

 

[Cellblock2429]

The reality in most of this long post makes sense. The takeaway of the last sentence needs explanation. What radical changes if the Democrats have a hold on the White House and The Congress?

BIG LIES don't hold water, and yet the easily led faux conservatives have been brainwashed that the "left" supports Communism, Socialism and Marxism; these are foolish BIG LIES and yet they proof that ignorance and fear is a powerful tactic to get voters to elect a far right radical Republican Party.

/----/ Communist Party USA Chairman Vows Cooperation With Democratic Party
The chairman of the National Committee of the Communist Party USA has penned a 2,023-word manifesto making the critical point that American Communists are eager to work with the Democratic Party to advance the modern communist agenda and achieve communist goals.

 

[Rye Catcher]

The Vietnamese is another good example of how people can resist a more powerful, better-equiped military. The American people must remain armed.

You don't know nor understand the casualties suffered by the Vietnamese Population during their civil war as known in Vietnam today as the American War.

 

[Red Front]

"Cuba doesn't have access to the international banking system or lines of credit."

Thank Castro for that. Nothing stopping them from rejoining. And Cuba can import anything it wants.

CUBA AND IMF MEMBERSHIP​

Cuba was an original member of the IMF. However, it withdrew in 1964, one of very few members that have taken such a drastic step in the three-quarters of a century since the institution’s founding.

Cuba's Top Imports 2022

Main imported products imported by Cuba in 2022 organized by major categories machinery, electronics, cereals & meat

www.worldstopexports.com

The following product groups represent the highest dollar value in Cuba’s import purchases during 2020. Also shown is the percentage share each product category represents in terms of overall imports into Cuba.

1. Machinery including computers: US$509.3 million (14.8% of total imports)
2. Electrical machinery, equipment: $303.3 million (8.8%)
3. Meat: $269.3 million (7.8%)
4. Cereals: $243.7 million (7.1%)
5. Plastics, plastic articles: $164.2 million (4.8%)
6. Dairy, eggs, honey: $138.1 million (4%)
7. Vehicles: $121.5 million (3.5%)
8. Articles of iron or steel: $104.5 million (3%)
9. Furniture, bedding, lighting, signs, prefabricated buildings: $87.2 million (2.5%)
10. Other chemical goods: $81.2 million (2.4%)

And Cuba lifted its own sanctions to get medical supplies. So go pound sand.

Cuba lifts customs restrictions on food and medicine after biggest protests in decades | CNN

Cuba announced on Wednesday it was temporarily lifting restrictions on travelers bringing food, medicines and hygiene products into the country in an apparent acknowledgment of demands from anti-government demonstrators.

www.cnn.com

Furthermore:

Cuba says U.S. embargo is 'obstacle' to getting coronavirus-fighting supplies. Not so, says U.S.

The embargo is “the main obstacle to purchase the medicines, equipment and material required to confront the pandemic,” Cuba's Foreign Minister tweeted.

www.nbcnews.com

The U.S. government told NBC News:

According to a U.S. State Department spokesperson, in 2019 the U.S. exported $3.7 million worth of medicine and supplies to Cuba, including diagnostic equipment and supplies “to support the Cuban people.” They also authorized the export of hundreds of millions of dollars worth of medical goods in 2019 (President Trump) . The U.S. accuses Cuba’s government of mismanaging its economy and of not addressing the Cuban people’s most basic needs. “It alone is responsible for the ongoing medical supply shortages,” the spokesperson said in a statement.

What do you mean by "Cuba can rejoin" the American controlled and regulated, international banking system? It can't unless it adopts capitalism or an American puppet government. Cuban citizens can't conduct business abroad, open bank accounts or lines of credit from Cuba. Without access to the international banking system, Cuba has to pay for everything in cash and companies that trade with Cuba can't conduct business with the United States. Merchant ships that dock in Cuban ports, can't dock in American ports for at least six months. Cruiseships that dock in Cuba, can't dock anywhere in the United States or any of its territories. Your list of items is meager compared to what Cuba needs. You're actually proving my case. Thanks.

The IMF is nothing more than a tool of the American ruling class to create captive markets in the developing world. An attempt to control markets and resources, by privatizing the major centers of economic power in developing countries and having those countries establish business partnerships with American companies, that eventually, take a major share of that nation's local economy. The fact that you're defending the IMF shows how ignorant you are of American imperialism.

 

[Red Front]

You don't know nor understand the casualties suffered by the Vietnamese Population during their civil war as known in Vietnam today as the American War.

The Vietnamese, and the Taliban, both beat a much better-equipped military. Yes, the Vietnamese war (they refer to it as the American war), was brutal, resulting in the death of at least three million Vietnamese. Even today there are people dying from American undetonated ordinance that detonates, like mines..etc. The effects of agent orange are also still felt today. Nonetheless, Vietnam is a beautiful country and it is flourishing, with its socialist government. Most if not all of the sanctions have been lifted, thanks to President Clinton:

President Clinton ends trade embargo of Vietnam | February 3, 1994 | HISTORY

President Bill Clinton lifts a 19-year-old trade embargo of the Republic of Vietnam. The embargo had been in place since 1975, when North Vietnamese forces captured the city of Saigon in South Vietnam during the Vietnam War. President Clinton lifted the embargo primarily to encourage cooperative...

www.history.com

 

[Jaxson]

Not. The militia is all abled bodied adult CITIZENS.

You made that up because the 2nd says no such thing.

 

[Jaxson]

/------/ Stop playing stupid. There are age restrictions in the Bill of Rights. If you give your child a gun to take to school. you belong in jail.

The second Act, passed May 8, 1792, provided for the organization of the state militias. It conscripted every "free able-bodied white male citizen" between the ages of 18 and 45 into a local militia company. (This was later expanded to all males, regardless of race, between the ages of 18 and 54 in 1862.)

14th Amendment:

Section 1​

The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

Voting has nothing to do with the 2nd, you have nothing so you spray crap all over. Got it.

As for the militia, you don't have to be in one to have a gun. Now you know.

 

[Jaxson]

Not. The militia is all abled bodied adult CITIZENS.

The second allows guns outside a militia. Or didn't you know that?

 

[Red Front]

/----/ Communist Party USA Chairman Vows Cooperation With Democratic Party
The chairman of the National Committee of the Communist Party USA has penned a 2,023-word manifesto making the critical point that American Communists are eager to work with the Democratic Party to advance the modern communist agenda and achieve communist goals.

I'm not affiliated with the Communist Party USA.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I'm not affiliated with the Communist Party USA.

/——-/ I’m not affiliated with any bloodthirsty, cutthroat, communist dictatorship party, even ones that pretend to be all warm and fuzzy.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Voting has nothing to do with the 2nd, you have nothing so you spray crap all over. Got it.

As for the militia, you don't have to be in one to have a gun. Now you know.

/———-/I said the Constitution has several age restrictions, and I listed two examples, one for the 2nd, one for the 14th. Sorry I confused you. I’ll dumb down my responses to you in the future.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Cuba doesn't have access to the international banking system or lines of credit. It can't open an account in any bank. It also can't import a long list of products and materials, including spare parts for a lot of its machinery. So obviously you're very ignorant. During the pandemic, Cuba couldn't import respirators or syringes. If the embargo is nothing, as people like you assert, then lift it. I say that to my fellow Cuban Americans in Miami, who are so adamant about sanctioning Cuba. If I tell them that the economic difficulties in Cuba are the result of the sanctions, they say " no no, it's socialism". So I respond, "OK, lift the sanctions then. Why impose sanctions if they don't do anything to Cuba?" and they answer "No!! WE MUST CONTINUE WITH THE SANCTIONS!!!". Sanctions supposedly don't do shit, right? Why continue with them? Obviously, they do a tremendous amount of harm, that's why the US government imposes sanctions on nations that don't toe the line and submit to its imperialist agenda.

Continue denying the destructive effects of US foreign policy on nations like Cuba, Nicaragua, Honduras..etc, and you'll just get more of us spicks running across your border. How about that? More of us Hispanics, taking your jobs and fucking your white daughters. We'll name your grandchildren Juan and Maria, and feed them Tacos (we'll also teach them Spanish).

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Cuba can import spare parts from sources all over the world. The o poly parts it can’t import are for all those forties and fifties American cars running around. Guess what Americans have trouble finding parts for those cars as well. Almost all of Cuba’s machinery is old communist bloc stuff that is long out of production so parts are rare for it. If you look at the chart above, Cuba’s problem is that it exports less than three billion dollars and imports more than eleven billion dollars of stuff. No one is preventing Cuba from joining the various IMIs like the IMF except Cuba. Cuba refuses to restructure its governmental and economic systems to attract foreign capital leaving it dependent on fellow failed countries like Venezuela.
Guess what, people won’t invest in countries that have a history of nationalizing foreign properties and investments. Cuba has and is creating its own financial problems, not the American embargo which the rest of the world has ignored for decades.

 

[Red Front]

/——-/ I’m not affiliated with any bloodthirsty, cutthroat, communist dictatorship party, even ones that pretend to be all warm and fuzzy.

 

[Red Front]

Cuba can import spare parts from sources all over the world. The o poly parts it can’t import are for all those forties and fifties American cars running around. Guess what Americans have trouble finding parts for those cars as well. Almost all of Cuba’s machinery is old communist bloc stuff that is long out of production so parts are rare for it. If you look at the chart above, Cuba’s problem is that it exports less than three billion dollars and imports more than eleven billion dollars of stuff. No one is preventing Cuba from joining the various IMIs like the IMF except Cuba. Cuba refuses to restructure its governmental and economic systems to attract foreign capital leaving it dependent on fellow failed countries like Venezuela.
Guess what, people won’t invest in countries that have a history of nationalizing foreign properties and investments. Cuba has and is creating its own financial problems, not the American embargo which the rest of the world has ignored for decades.

If the sanctions aren't doing anything as you claim, then have the sanctions lifted. Cuba doesn't need foreign capitalists or imperialists owning its resources or taking control of its major industries. That should be owned publicly, by the Cuban people. Each nation has a right to choose which economic system it wants to adopt and the United States has no right to impose capitalism or anything else upon any other country.

The IMF is a front organization for the American ruling class to take control of resources and markets of developing countries. You deny it because you've been brainwashed by your capitalist masters. You're not even a capitalist yourself, you're a brainwashed working-class person defending a system that undermines your interests and life.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You made that up because the 2nd says no such thing.

I provided you sources. You're just being obtuse because your talking points have been destroyed.

The Supreme Court ruled in Presser vs. Illinois 1886,
{“It is undoubtedly true that all citizens capable of bearing arms constitute the reserved military force or reserve militia of the United states, as well as that of the states; and in view of this prerogative of the general government as well as of its general powers, the States’ cannot, even laying the constitutional provisions in question out of view, prohibit the people from keeping and bearing arms, so as to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security, and disable the people from performing their duty to the General Government.”}

You face planted because the talking points you post are foolish.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The second allows guns outside a militia. Or didn't you know that?

It enumerates the right due to the need of a militia that is all citizens defending their homes and families.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'm not affiliated with the Communist Party USA.

I'm sure you're not.

You appear to be 100% troll.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The reality in most of this long post makes sense. The takeaway of the last sentence needs explanation. What radical changes if the Democrats have a hold on the White House and The Congress?

BIG LIES don't hold water, and yet the easily led faux conservatives have been brainwashed that the "left" supports Communism, Socialism and Marxism; these are foolish BIG LIES and yet they proof that ignorance and fear is a powerful tactic to get voters to elect a far right radical Republican Party.

Irony is when a leftist call someone a liar while lying off their ass