Can I be conservative, liberal, progressive all at once or do I have to pick only one

[pvsi]

All these terms sound nice and seem to apply to me: I am a thrifty shopper, I live a conservative lifestyle, I love to see progress every day, I am liberal when it comes to certain things... are these names strictly reserved for political pundits, or can I consider myself all 3? and if I do, will I still be taken seriously on this playing field of politics? please advise...

 

[Mr. H.]

Be yourself and fuck what anyone else thinks.

 

[gipper]

Give up all three and become a libertarian.

And besides, the difference between a progressive and a liberal is NOTHING! And sadly, many conservatives are in agreement with liberals/progressives on many things. One being the size and grow of state power.

 

[eflatminor]

Or, you could reject all three.

Libertarianism is a set of related political philosophies that uphold liberty as the highest political end. This includes emphasis on the primacy of individual liberty, political freedom, and voluntary association. It is an antonym of authoritarianism.

Stated differently, you can be a libertarian that is a thrifty shopper, lives a conservative lifestyle, loves to see progress every day, and is liberal when it comes to certain things.

A more complete definition than Wiki:

Key Concepts of Libertarianism
Key Concepts of Libertarianism | Cato Institute

 

[norwegen]

Join me in my support of suppositories.

 

[Bombur]

Libertarianism is just a clever way of trying to get government out of the way so that corporations can rule without any concern for anything but themselves. It is a movement that is funded by billionaires who don't like that government tells them not to pollute the environment. They are anti-science and they are as concerned for your freedom as slave owners were concerned for the freedom of their slaves.

 

[Gracie]

All these terms sound nice and seem to apply to me: I am a thrifty shopper, I live a conservative lifestyle, I love to see progress every day, I am liberal when it comes to certain things... are these names strictly reserved for political pundits, or can I consider myself all 3? and if I do, will I still be taken seriously on this playing field of politics? please advise...

Be human.
I hate labels and boxes as well.

 

[nodoginnafight]

All these terms sound nice and seem to apply to me: I am a thrifty shopper, I live a conservative lifestyle, I love to see progress every day, I am liberal when it comes to certain things... are these names strictly reserved for political pundits, or can I consider myself all 3? and if I do, will I still be taken seriously on this playing field of politics? please advise...

You are like me and the vast majority of other Americans. We don't fit neatly into pigeon holes.

I congratulate you for not being tied to an "ism" - it's rough sledding sometimes. So many are too lazy to listen and interact l;ong enough to get a complete picture of who you really are in full. They're too lazy - so they'd rather just slap a label on you and be done with you.

It's lazy and it's ignorant - but unfortunately that the way most posters on these boards are. But message boards are not the real world - I hope you have happy interaction here and - more importantly - in the real world.

 

[kaz]

All these terms sound nice and seem to apply to me: I am a thrifty shopper, I live a conservative lifestyle, I love to see progress every day, I am liberal when it comes to certain things... are these names strictly reserved for political pundits, or can I consider myself all 3? and if I do, will I still be taken seriously on this playing field of politics? please advise...

Those terms are misused so frequently it's hard to answer the question without your being more clear what you think the terms mean. The scale is really a scale from liberty to authoritarian. For example, liberal actually means seeking freedom and individuality, but it is used in this country by those who completely oppose those principles and are hard core authoritarians. Also, when you say conservative, fiscal conservatism is liberty seeking, social conservatism is authoritarian. So again, what you mean by them is critical to a rational answer to the question.

 

[kaz]

All these terms sound nice and seem to apply to me: I am a thrifty shopper, I live a conservative lifestyle, I love to see progress every day, I am liberal when it comes to certain things... are these names strictly reserved for political pundits, or can I consider myself all 3? and if I do, will I still be taken seriously on this playing field of politics? please advise...

You are like me and the vast majority of other Americans. We don't fit neatly into pigeon holes.

I congratulate you for not being tied to an "ism" - it's rough sledding sometimes. So many are too lazy to listen and interact l;ong enough to get a complete picture of who you really are in full. They're too lazy - so they'd rather just slap a label on you and be done with you.

It's lazy and it's ignorant - but unfortunately that the way most posters on these boards are. But message boards are not the real world - I hope you have happy interaction here and - more importantly - in the real world.

Typically that means that you're a Democrat who supports the Democratic party on every issue, but you don't like to be thought of that way.

 

[nodoginnafight]

All these terms sound nice and seem to apply to me: I am a thrifty shopper, I live a conservative lifestyle, I love to see progress every day, I am liberal when it comes to certain things... are these names strictly reserved for political pundits, or can I consider myself all 3? and if I do, will I still be taken seriously on this playing field of politics? please advise...

You are like me and the vast majority of other Americans. We don't fit neatly into pigeon holes.

I congratulate you for not being tied to an "ism" - it's rough sledding sometimes. So many are too lazy to listen and interact l;ong enough to get a complete picture of who you really are in full. They're too lazy - so they'd rather just slap a label on you and be done with you.

It's lazy and it's ignorant - but unfortunately that the way most posters on these boards are. But message boards are not the real world - I hope you have happy interaction here and - more importantly - in the real world.

Typically that means that you're a Democrat who supports the Democratic party on every issue, but you don't like to be thought of that way.

pvsi - See what I mean.

kaz - I've voted in 9 presidential elections in my lifetime. I've voted for the democratic candidate twice, the libertarian candidate twice, and the republican candidate five times.

Got anymore "terrific" theories?

 

[BlindBoo]

Libertarianism is just a clever way of trying to get government out of the way so that corporations can rule without any concern for anything but themselves. It is a movement that is funded by billionaires who don't like that government tells them not to pollute the environment. They are anti-science and they are as concerned for your freedom as slave owners were concerned for the freedom of their slaves.

You must be talking about different Libertarians than listened too. Oh that must be the Teatard Libertarians.


POLLUTION

Pollution of other people's property is a violation of individual rights. Present legal principles, particularly the unjust and false concept of "public property," block privatisation of the use of the environment and hence block resolution of controversies over resource use. We support the development of an objective legal system defining property rights to air and water. We call for a modification of the laws governing such torts as trespass and nuisance to cover damages done by air, water, radiation, and noise pollution. We oppose legislative proposals to exempt persons who claim damage from radiation from having to prove such damage was in fact caused by radiation. Strict liability, not government agencies and arbitrary government standards, should regulate pollution. We therefore demand the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency. We also oppose government-mandated smoking and non-smoking areas in privately owned businesses.

Toxic waste disposal problems have been created by government policies that separate liability from property. Rather than making taxpayers pay for toxic waste clean-ups, individual property owners, or in the case of corporations, the responsible managers and employees, should be held strictly liable for material damage done by their property. Claiming that one has abandoned a piece of property does not absolve one of the responsibility for actions one has set in motion. We condemn the EPA's Superfund whose taxing powers are used to penalize all chemical firms, regardless of their conduct. Such clean-ups are a subsidy of irresponsible companies at the expense of responsible ones.

Libertarian Party Platform - POLLUTION

 

[kaz]

You are like me and the vast majority of other Americans. We don't fit neatly into pigeon holes.

I congratulate you for not being tied to an "ism" - it's rough sledding sometimes. So many are too lazy to listen and interact l;ong enough to get a complete picture of who you really are in full. They're too lazy - so they'd rather just slap a label on you and be done with you.

It's lazy and it's ignorant - but unfortunately that the way most posters on these boards are. But message boards are not the real world - I hope you have happy interaction here and - more importantly - in the real world.

Typically that means that you're a Democrat who supports the Democratic party on every issue, but you don't like to be thought of that way.

pvsi - See what I mean.

kaz - I've voted in 9 presidential elections in my lifetime. I've voted for the democratic candidate twice, the libertarian candidate twice, and the republican candidate five times.

Got anymore "terrific" theories?

I did actually mean that people who say that typically mean that. I wasn't actually referring specifically to you because I don't know enough. I do recall having a discussion or two with you that didn't reflect that voting record though.

 

[nodoginnafight]

We call for a modification of the laws governing such torts as trespass and nuisance to cover damages done by air, water, radiation, and noise pollution.

So you can seek damages AFTER you've been damaged? If your still alive? If you can afford an attorney? If you can afford to keep your attorney on it after the pollutor buries him with paper?

Thats what a tort is - a civil case.

No thanks - not for me.

 

[Bombur]

Libertarianism is just a clever way of trying to get government out of the way so that corporations can rule without any concern for anything but themselves. It is a movement that is funded by billionaires who don't like that government tells them not to pollute the environment. They are anti-science and they are as concerned for your freedom as slave owners were concerned for the freedom of their slaves.

You must be talking about different Libertarians than listened too. Oh that must be the Teatard Libertarians.


POLLUTION

Pollution of other people's property is a violation of individual rights. Present legal principles, particularly the unjust and false concept of "public property," block privatisation of the use of the environment and hence block resolution of controversies over resource use. We support the development of an objective legal system defining property rights to air and water. We call for a modification of the laws governing such torts as trespass and nuisance to cover damages done by air, water, radiation, and noise pollution. We oppose legislative proposals to exempt persons who claim damage from radiation from having to prove such damage was in fact caused by radiation. Strict liability, not government agencies and arbitrary government standards, should regulate pollution. We therefore demand the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency. We also oppose government-mandated smoking and non-smoking areas in privately owned businesses.

Toxic waste disposal problems have been created by government policies that separate liability from property. Rather than making taxpayers pay for toxic waste clean-ups, individual property owners, or in the case of corporations, the responsible managers and employees, should be held strictly liable for material damage done by their property. Claiming that one has abandoned a piece of property does not absolve one of the responsibility for actions one has set in motion. We condemn the EPA's Superfund whose taxing powers are used to penalize all chemical firms, regardless of their conduct. Such clean-ups are a subsidy of irresponsible companies at the expense of responsible ones.

Libertarian Party Platform - POLLUTION

I was mostly talking about who funds the movement.

If a firm breaks a law or regulation they are liable. The problem is that you can't get blood from a stone.

Either way libertarianism in the end is about as realistic as socialism.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Typically that means that you're a Democrat who supports the Democratic party on every issue, but you don't like to be thought of that way.

pvsi - See what I mean.

kaz - I've voted in 9 presidential elections in my lifetime. I've voted for the democratic candidate twice, the libertarian candidate twice, and the republican candidate five times.

Got anymore "terrific" theories?

I did actually mean that people who say that typically mean that. I wasn't actually referring specifically to you because I don't know enough. I do recall having a discussion or two with you that didn't reflect that voting record though.

So you inferred a voting record from our previous conversation? Did it concern my voting record?

Look - you don't know me from adam and I don't know you from adam. Why would you even attempt to attach a label. Those were my votes and I can swear to that until I'm blue in the face - but how would you know for sure? You may or may not chose to believe it. But there it is. And that is exactly the point I was making to pvsi.

 

[kaz]

pvsi - See what I mean.

kaz - I've voted in 9 presidential elections in my lifetime. I've voted for the democratic candidate twice, the libertarian candidate twice, and the republican candidate five times.

Got anymore "terrific" theories?

I did actually mean that people who say that typically mean that. I wasn't actually referring specifically to you because I don't know enough. I do recall having a discussion or two with you that didn't reflect that voting record though.

So you i9nferred a voting record from our previous conversation? Did it concern my voting record?

Look - you don't know me from adam and I don't know you from adam. Why would you even attempt to attach a label. Those were my votes and I can swear to that until I'm blue in the face - but how would you know for sure? You may or may not chose to believe it. But there it is.

Label? I didn't attach any "label." Shakespeare: "The lady doth protest too much, me thinks." I'm not calling you a chick by the way, that's just the quote.

So I have two questions since this bothers you so we can jump to the last page of the book and find out who did it.

1) How do you disagree with Democrats?

2) Do you ever say that in an actual discussion on the issue?

The reason I ask #2 is because Democrats will say things like they aren't with the Democrats on, for example, gun laws. But they won't join any discussion on gun laws and disagree with Democrats, they just bring it up on unrelated discussions to try to establish cred they aren't always with the Democrats. However, they are always with the Democrats if they are silent when it matters on other issues.

 

[Gracie]

All these terms sound nice and seem to apply to me: I am a thrifty shopper, I live a conservative lifestyle, I love to see progress every day, I am liberal when it comes to certain things... are these names strictly reserved for political pundits, or can I consider myself all 3? and if I do, will I still be taken seriously on this playing field of politics? please advise...

You are like me and the vast majority of other Americans. We don't fit neatly into pigeon holes.

I congratulate you for not being tied to an "ism" - it's rough sledding sometimes. So many are too lazy to listen and interact l;ong enough to get a complete picture of who you really are in full. They're too lazy - so they'd rather just slap a label on you and be done with you.

It's lazy and it's ignorant - but unfortunately that the way most posters on these boards are. But message boards are not the real world - I hope you have happy interaction here and - more importantly - in the real world.

Typically that means that you're a Democrat who supports the Democratic party on every issue, but you don't like to be thought of that way.

PERFECT example of the mindset around here. I think most carry little boxes and plain labels with a big ol marker so they can stuff others in that little box and then neatly label it with their marker.

 

[kaz]

You are like me and the vast majority of other Americans. We don't fit neatly into pigeon holes.

I congratulate you for not being tied to an "ism" - it's rough sledding sometimes. So many are too lazy to listen and interact l;ong enough to get a complete picture of who you really are in full. They're too lazy - so they'd rather just slap a label on you and be done with you.

It's lazy and it's ignorant - but unfortunately that the way most posters on these boards are. But message boards are not the real world - I hope you have happy interaction here and - more importantly - in the real world.

Typically that means that you're a Democrat who supports the Democratic party on every issue, but you don't like to be thought of that way.

PERFECT example of the mindset around here. I think most carry little boxes and plain labels with a big ol marker so they can stuff others in that little box and then neatly label it with their marker.

A little to close to home?

 

[eflatminor]

Libertarianism is just a clever way of trying to get government out of the way so that corporations can rule without any concern for anything but themselves.

Tell us genius...if politicians were restricted to their limited enumerated powers, how exactly would corporations rule? Stated differently, how could a company make or enforce a law without a crony politicians, which you could not find in a libertarian society???

It is a movement that is funded by billionaires .

You have zero proof this ridiculous statement. I'm sorry, put pointing to one or two rich people that happen to be libertarians does mean the "movement is funded by billionaires". And by the way, if billionaires are funding it, why do we see so few libertarian politicians in office?

who don't like that government tells them not to pollute the environment.

Bullshit. No libertarian thinks it's acceptable to allow anyone to pollute. That is NOT consensual activity. It is activity that infringes on the rights of others, the illegality of which is at the very heart of the idea of libertarianism.

You clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

They are anti-science

Really? And what evidence do you have to support this bullshit claim?

and they are as concerned for your freedom as slave owners were concerned for the freedom of their slaves

And there you have it...the most ridiculous statement of the month, at least so far.

Please tell us how libertarian ideals, which value freedom and liberty above all, are akin to slavery.

What an asshole.