Can Liberals Criticise Obama?

Marx "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"

Obama "I want to redistribute the wealth" "you didn't build that"


same song, different tune

Not really.

By the same standard we could find quotes of both Hitler and Bush praising the role of the share market, but that doesn't make Bush a Nazi.

Marxism is far, far more extreme than anything which has ever existed in America. It's not just not on the radar.
 
typical post from a disengenuous poster^^^^

Ask people in the UK about long waits and different doctors. Ask Russians, ask Cubans, ask Greeks, ask Japanese--------its what you get from socialized medicine.

It all sounds wonderful, but it does not work.

You are also wrong about americans "in the real world" having long waits to see specialists and primary care docs---------that is just a left wing bullshit talking point. absolutely no basis in fact. not surprising from you.

Cherry picking? Ask the Swiss. Interviews - Pascal Couchepin | Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS

correlations do not equal causation. The Constitutional Obamacare law will not have government taking over medical care. It's simply about health insurance payments

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your naivete knows no bounds. The ultimate end product of obamacare was always intended to be government-one payer medicine. The plan is to drive the insurance companies out of business by making the penalty less than the cost of insurance. Then the govt steps in and takes over. It may take a few years, but that has always been the plan of the socialist obama and his cronies.

I haven't seriously been called 'naive' since I was like 15 years old. too funny

It is what I have always supported: Non profit health insurance/single payer. The government is not going to take over hospitals or doctors. That is the VA.

You did not follow the links about the Swiss. Is there a reason that dictates medical insurance should be a profit making enterprise?

Are there reasons we should have a for profit medical insurance system in America?
 
got some news for you. he got your vote, thats all he wanted from you. now he wants you to shut up and watch as he turns the USA into a marxist dictatorship.

YOU, the 51% that gave him a second term, are responsible. you deserve what you voted for.

:cuckoo: whacko stories about Marxism when most normal people know that is bunk

Marx "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"

Obama "I want to redistribute the wealth" "you didn't build that"


same song, different tune

America has always redistributed wealth. Obama simply stated a truism: no one builds anything in a vacuum.

What Karl Marx has to do with anything is all in your own twisted mind
 
Of course Liberals can and do criticize Obama - but the smarter ones don't do it in public to give the rabid right unnecessary ammunition. I generally defend Obama rather than criticize him in public, but if I have worthwhile complaints - I email them to the DNC and White House.


It is unfortunately the case that here and on other discussion forums, it is impossible to have a rational discussion about Obama with the right. Trying to question or critique Obama in any intelligent, thoughtful way just opens up a hornet's nest from the right with their wild, outlandish, and viscious (and mind numbingly repetitive) attacks on Obama.

Tiresome as hell. When I want a truly thoughtful and intelligent discussion about Obama, I talk to other Democrats or people who are not Americans.
 
Of course Liberals can and do criticize Obama - but the smarter ones don't do it in public to give the rabid right unnecessary ammunition. I generally defend Obama rather than criticize him in public, but if I have worthwhile complaints - I email them to the DNC and White House.

To: Barack Obama
From: Lakhota

My darling Barry, I love you , i yearn for you my sweetness. Please send me a glossy photo, a year's supply of lotion and an Obama phone

Well, you have managed to make Lakhota's point crystal clear.
 
OK, I want you to be truthful, you want single payer healthcare because you think it will mean free healthcare for YOU, right?

what you fail to realize is that it will mean higher taxes for YOU, crappy medical care for YOU, and long waits to see a differenct doctor every visit.

But admit the first part, you think it will be free for you, don't you?
Let me put it this way, it will cost 40% less than what we have now.

For-profit, healthcare industry costs for medical care, are absolutely ridiculous!

A one-night stay in the hospital costs $36,000. That's obscene.
 
Don't be a dumb fuck
obamacare created a new Bureaucracy

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I can't read your cartoon and you've provided no links to explain this expansion.

But if you think I'm going to believe that just because you said so, then you're the dumb fuck! You gotta prove what you say. It's not enough to simply state shit.
 
Of course Liberals can and do criticize Obama - but the smarter ones don't do it in public to give the rabid right unnecessary ammunition. I generally defend Obama rather than criticize him in public, but if I have worthwhile complaints - I email them to the DNC and White House.

To: Barack Obama
From: Lakhota

My darling Barry, I love you , i yearn for you my sweetness. Please send me a glossy photo, a year's supply of lotion and an Obama phone

Well, you have managed to make Lakhota's point crystal clear.

I thought the same - Squeese did Exactly what many liberal posters claims right wing posters do on this board.
 
Of course Liberals can and do criticize Obama - but the smarter ones don't do it in public to give the rabid right unnecessary ammunition. I generally defend Obama rather than criticize him in public, but if I have worthwhile complaints - I email them to the DNC and White House.

To: Barack Obama
From: Lakhota

My darling Barry, I love you , i yearn for you my sweetness. Please send me a glossy photo, a year's supply of lotion and an Obama phone

Well, you have managed to make Lakhota's point crystal clear.

I'm surprised you did not call me white trash cracker
 
You don't compromise with people you have nothing in common with.
How hard is this to comprehend?

Sure you do.

The alternative - as we saw with the fiscal cliff - is holding the country to ransom.

I must have missed this ransom thing.

the only thing that has really changed is that taxes have increased, take home pay has decreased and the prices of goods and services have skyrocketed.

but since you know everything about this country, I'm certain you knew that already.
 
To: Barack Obama
From: Lakhota

My darling Barry, I love you , i yearn for you my sweetness. Please send me a glossy photo, a year's supply of lotion and an Obama phone

Well, you have managed to make Lakhota's point crystal clear.

I thought the same - Squeese did Exactly what many liberal posters claims right wing posters do on this board.

then lahota went on to fawn over Obama and blame the GOP obstructionists which was the point of my post.
 
OK, I want you to be truthful, you want single payer healthcare because you think it will mean free healthcare for YOU, right?

what you fail to realize is that it will mean higher taxes for YOU, crappy medical care for YOU, and long waits to see a differenct doctor every visit.

But admit the first part, you think it will be free for you, don't you?
Let me put it this way, it will cost 40% less than what we have now.

For-profit, healthcare industry costs for medical care, are absolutely ridiculous!

A one-night stay in the hospital costs $36,000. That's obscene.

LOL, it won't cost less. Competition keeps prices down, the problem is that in medical care the govt has eliminated competition via medicare and medicaid.

I agree that 36 K would be obscene for a one night hospital stay, but thats not a valid claim by you. 5K maybe, but not 36K.

How much will the new govt beaurocracy to manage obamacare cost all of us? Are all of those thousands of civil servants going to work for minimum wage? I think not.
 
Redfish

No discussion of healthcare can take place without also looking at the cost per taxpayer:

USA: $8,233

Norway: $5,388

Swtizerland $5,270

Germany $4,338

France $3,978

List of countries by total health expenditure (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It could actually cost less, if it is run well.
 
Redfish

No discussion of healthcare can take place without also looking at the cost per taxpayer:

USA: $8,233

Norway: $5,388

Swtizerland $5,270

Germany $4,338

France $3,978

List of countries by total health expenditure (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It could actually cost less, if it is run well.

are people lining up to travel to norway for heart transplants and hip replacements. You get what you pay for.

Want cheap medical care? its coming, but "cheap" does not mean free or good. and it won't cost less.
 
do you believe that the cost is going down any time soon?

when I take my elderly mom for a doctor appt, they all bash the ACA

soon our taxes will increase again to pay for it b/c there are so many that do not contribute
 
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