Can Obama save the Democrats?

[Jackson]

Well, this is Obama for you...on one hand he warns about going hard left and on the other, he tells the nation the one moderate, Joe Biden is not a good choice either.

True, Obama is the reason for this mess..

 

[Confounding]

I don't know if this madness is temporary or permanent, and I don't know for sure how representative it really is of the party.
Maybe the primaries will tell us.

It will only get worse. Young liberals are disillusioned with the status quo Democrats. They want AOC and Bernie Sanders.

They do, I'm just not sure how large a part of the party has gone down that path.

The loudest and most energetic people always get most of the attention in politics, but their actual numbers are a different thing.

I dunno.
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Yeah, it was kind of funny talking to young liberals after Hillary won the primary.

"I'm so pissed!"

"Did you vote?"

"Well, I, uh...you see, the thing is..."

Young people feed on instant gratification. Anything that takes more effort than a few taps on a smart phone is just too much for the poor dears. A lot of them never even registered despite running their mouths about Bernie all over the internet.

 

[candycorn]

Democrats need to rally behind the nominee no matter who she/he is.

In that one aspect the blob has probably helped the DEMS because if the last 3 years haven’t taught the DEMS this lesson that winning is all that matters in Presidential Politics, nothing will.

 

[jknowgood]

When Trump won in 2016, I expressed concern that the blowback from the hardcore Left would be so strong that the Democratic Party would be taken over by the illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left, leaving us with one truly fucked up choice in 2020.

If the Democrats had played it safe in 2008, Obama never would have gotten the nomination.

Playing it safe is a sure way to lose.

There is no one the Democrats could nominate that would be worse than a continuation of the daily horror show that is Trump. That you Vichy Liberals on Wall Street are more afraid of Liz Warren making you share than what the crazy man might do with those nukes.... that's on you.

Yet you loons are guaranteeing Trump's win in November.

 

[JoeB131]

They do, I'm just not sure how large a part of the party has gone down that path.

The loudest and most energetic people always get most of the attention in politics, but their actual numbers are a different thing.

I dunno.

Yes, clearly you don't...

Yes, the people who are committed will get more accomplished than the people who aren't. I know this is a hard thing for you to grasp.

They are the ones who will show up at primaries, open their wallets, get out there and volunteer, drive their neighbors to polling places, etc.

Now, the length of our process is part of the problem, where they are pretty much off and running after the midterms, while most of the middle that Vichy Mac longs for doesn't engage until after Labor Day before the election, and then votes for the guy they'd like to have a beer with.

 

[eagle1462010]

Lucas: Obama wastes no time cashing in on presidency – Boston Herald

 

[Confounding]

the blob has probably helped the DEMS

You might be surprised by how many lefties would take a populist right winger over a status quo Democrat.

Fight the power!

 

[jknowgood]

I think that's largely true.

My theory on this is that, when Obama won, the hardcore Lefties figured the battle was over -- that demographics would take over and the "change" they wanted to see was inevitable and imminent. Trump's win was so shocking to them that, well, they pretty much lost their shit. So it's that energy that has turned the party into whatever the hell it is today. So yeah, his wins may be playing a role in this.

yes, I don't know why liberals would be upset that a misogynistic, racist facsist crazy person is in charge. That's a total overreaction.

Okay, one more time. Hillary didn't lose because a bunch of the same old, stupid, white racist fuckers voted for Trump. These same old racist fucks voted for Romney right after they got over the fact he was a Mormon. They voted for McCain despite Bush crashing the economy. They voted for Bush even though he outright lied us into a war. You can't fix stupid.

What Did Mrs. Clinton in were all the self-righteous assholes who pissed away their votes on third parties.... because the media told them Hillary had this in the bag and they could afford to be self-righteous.

Lol, anifta is saying send the Jews to the ovens. They do represent your party well.

 

[JoeB131]

Yet you loons are guaranteeing Trump's win in November.

You base that on what? Trump lost the midterms, he lost easy to win governor races in Red States... he trails most of the Democrats badly in the polls....

You guys won on a fluke because 200 years ago, a bunch of slave rapists wanted to appease smaller states.

 

[JoeB131]

Lol, anifta is saying send the Jews to the ovens. They do represent your party well.

When did they say this? Are you listening to Fox News again?

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

When Trump won in 2016, I expressed concern that the blowback from the hardcore Left would be so strong that the Democratic Party would be taken over by the illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left, leaving us with one truly fucked up choice in 2020.

So, bang, here we are. Obama sees it, too: Obama looms over divided Democratic primary

So, can Obama save the party?

His latest remarks came last week as Obama met with party donors in California, where he urged Democrats to “chill out” about the primary contest and prepare to rally behind the eventual nominee. But he also appeared to warn against calling for too drastic of change.

“When you listen to the average voter — even ones who aren’t stalwart Democrats, but who are more independent or are low-information voters — they don’t feel that things are working well, but they’re also nervous about changes that might take away what little they have,” Obama said.

For some Democrats, Obama’s remarks reinforced their concerns that the primary field has lurched too far to the left and that the party may be barreling toward a loss in 2020 unless it can unite behind a moderate nominee capable of appealing to a broader swath of voters in the general election.

“I think that to some extent Obama is the canary in the coal mine,” said Dick Harpootlian, a former chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party who is supporting former Vice President Joe Biden’s presidential bid. “He’s warning Democrats that if you buy an agenda that is not relevant or salable in November, you’re guaranteeing Donald Trump a second term.”
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Michael Smerconish had a guess on discussing Obama remarks and it made me realize how far left Democrats have gone...

Obama is correct the Democrats ( especially Socialist Democrats ) need to chill but can Obama save them or have they lunged to the left that it is now Cortez and Sanders type Democrats and no longer Bill Clinton or even Joe Biden Democrats?

I say the party is lost...

 

[NightFox]

When Trump won in 2016, I expressed concern that the blowback from the hardcore Left would be so strong that the Democratic Party would be taken over by the illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left, leaving us with one truly fucked up choice in 2020.

So, bang, here we are. Obama sees it, too: Obama looms over divided Democratic primary

So, can Obama save the party?

His latest remarks came last week as Obama met with party donors in California, where he urged Democrats to “chill out” about the primary contest and prepare to rally behind the eventual nominee. But he also appeared to warn against calling for too drastic of change.

“When you listen to the average voter — even ones who aren’t stalwart Democrats, but who are more independent or are low-information voters — they don’t feel that things are working well, but they’re also nervous about changes that might take away what little they have,” Obama said.

For some Democrats, Obama’s remarks reinforced their concerns that the primary field has lurched too far to the left and that the party may be barreling toward a loss in 2020 unless it can unite behind a moderate nominee capable of appealing to a broader swath of voters in the general election.

“I think that to some extent Obama is the canary in the coal mine,” said Dick Harpootlian, a former chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party who is supporting former Vice President Joe Biden’s presidential bid. “He’s warning Democrats that if you buy an agenda that is not relevant or salable in November, you’re guaranteeing Donald Trump a second term.”
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How can he "save the party" when it was under his watch that the party's fortunes fell to generational lows? The Republicans took control of the majority of state and federal government during his leadership of the party and one could make the case the he shares some of the responsibility for Trump getting elected in the first place.

IMHO the Democrats probably need a Bill Clinton v2.0 to lead the party back towards the center not a encore of ex-President "It's all about Me and Nobody Else" Nimrod at the party helm.

In any case, personally I hope the Democrats destroy themselves with this nonsense and take the Republicans down to hell with 'em.

I think that's largely true.

My theory on this is that, when Obama won, the hardcore Lefties figured the battle was over -- that demographics would take over and the "change" they wanted to see was inevitable and imminent. Trump's win was so shocking to them that, well, they pretty much lost their shit. So it's that energy that has turned the party into whatever the hell it is today. So yeah, his wins may be playing a role in this.
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You have an interesting theory there Mac, you could be right.

Personally I just think it's Trump's abrasive personality and the fact that they didn't get there way that caused the dingbats on the left to "lose their shit". After all the left has a history of acting like spoiled, crack addled infants when elections don't go their way and throw in the fact that Donny constantly gives them the finger and you have the perfect recipe for .............

LEFTWING DINGBAT-MA-GEDDON.

Well yeah, there's definitely that. His behaviors rub salt in the wound. By the pound.

I know that's very gratifying for his supporters.
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Donny versus the left wing dingbats...

... and former President O'Nimrod is going to ride in to rescue Crime Family-D from eating itself alive because Trump and his cohort of Trumplodytes are winning.

Comedy Gold.

 

[Mac1958]

I say the party is lost...

Could be, but I've learned not to make extrapolations out too far. Things change.

The Democrats are going through something similar to what the GOP did with Trump. Back then we were talking about how the the party was splitting between the Trumpsters and the RINOs. The Trumpsters won, at least for now, but you never know.
.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

When Trump won in 2016, I expressed concern that the blowback from the hardcore Left would be so strong that the Democratic Party would be taken over by the illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left, leaving us with one truly fucked up choice in 2020.

If the Democrats had played it safe in 2008, Obama never would have gotten the nomination.

Playing it safe is a sure way to lose.

There is no one the Democrats could nominate that would be worse than a continuation of the daily horror show that is Trump. That you Vichy Liberals on Wall Street are more afraid of Liz Warren making you share than what the crazy man might do with those nukes.... that's on you.

Sanders and Warren along with Harris have no chance of winning. Obama won because of his skin color and eight years of Bush and the two wars and economic disaster.

So can you say Trump has crashed the economy to the point Warren can win?

 

[jknowgood]

Yet you loons are guaranteeing Trump's win in November.

You base that on what? Trump lost the midterms, he lost easy to win governor races in Red States... he trails most of the Democrats badly in the polls....

You guys won on a fluke because 200 years ago, a bunch of slave rapists wanted to appease smaller states.

Yep, the polls were so right in 2016. The clown show the democrats are running now on impeachment. Is an embarrassment, even one of my liberal friends is embarrassed over it. Keep it up!

 

[eagle1462010]

Trump has enraged the Far left so much that their True Colors have come out..........and they have HIJACKED the Dem Party..............

And the people of this country are seeing it.............

When will the Dems return to a party like Kennedy........who by Far Left Standards would be a GOP candidate now............

The Far left are their own worst enemies..........and they are taking down the Dems with them. LOL

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

When Trump won in 2016, I expressed concern that the blowback from the hardcore Left would be so strong that the Democratic Party would be taken over by the illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left, leaving us with one truly fucked up choice in 2020.

So, bang, here we are. Obama sees it, too: Obama looms over divided Democratic primary

So, can Obama save the party?

His latest remarks came last week as Obama met with party donors in California, where he urged Democrats to “chill out” about the primary contest and prepare to rally behind the eventual nominee. But he also appeared to warn against calling for too drastic of change.

“When you listen to the average voter — even ones who aren’t stalwart Democrats, but who are more independent or are low-information voters — they don’t feel that things are working well, but they’re also nervous about changes that might take away what little they have,” Obama said.

For some Democrats, Obama’s remarks reinforced their concerns that the primary field has lurched too far to the left and that the party may be barreling toward a loss in 2020 unless it can unite behind a moderate nominee capable of appealing to a broader swath of voters in the general election.

“I think that to some extent Obama is the canary in the coal mine,” said Dick Harpootlian, a former chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party who is supporting former Vice President Joe Biden’s presidential bid. “He’s warning Democrats that if you buy an agenda that is not relevant or salable in November, you’re guaranteeing Donald Trump a second term.”
.

Michael Smerconish had a guess on discussing Obama remarks and it made me realize how far left Democrats have gone...

Obama is correct the Democrats ( especially Socialist Democrats ) need to chill but can Obama save them or have they lunged to the left that it is now Cortez and Sanders type Democrats and no longer Bill Clinton or even Joe Biden Democrats?

I say the party is lost...

Could be, but I've learned not to make extrapolations out too far. Things change.

The Democrats are going through something similar to what the GOP did with Trump. Back then we were talking about how the the party was splitting between the Trumpsters and the RINOs. The Trumpsters won, at least for now, but you never know.
.

Trump is the worst thing to happen to the Republican party, and when he leaves it will take decades before they recover.

Democrats seem to be heading more to the Cortez and Talib types than Clinton, Obama and Biden types.

That will never sell in Purple and Red America...

 

[Mac1958]

When Trump won in 2016, I expressed concern that the blowback from the hardcore Left would be so strong that the Democratic Party would be taken over by the illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left, leaving us with one truly fucked up choice in 2020.

So, bang, here we are. Obama sees it, too: Obama looms over divided Democratic primary

So, can Obama save the party?

His latest remarks came last week as Obama met with party donors in California, where he urged Democrats to “chill out” about the primary contest and prepare to rally behind the eventual nominee. But he also appeared to warn against calling for too drastic of change.

“When you listen to the average voter — even ones who aren’t stalwart Democrats, but who are more independent or are low-information voters — they don’t feel that things are working well, but they’re also nervous about changes that might take away what little they have,” Obama said.

For some Democrats, Obama’s remarks reinforced their concerns that the primary field has lurched too far to the left and that the party may be barreling toward a loss in 2020 unless it can unite behind a moderate nominee capable of appealing to a broader swath of voters in the general election.

“I think that to some extent Obama is the canary in the coal mine,” said Dick Harpootlian, a former chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party who is supporting former Vice President Joe Biden’s presidential bid. “He’s warning Democrats that if you buy an agenda that is not relevant or salable in November, you’re guaranteeing Donald Trump a second term.”
.

Michael Smerconish had a guess on discussing Obama remarks and it made me realize how far left Democrats have gone...

Obama is correct the Democrats ( especially Socialist Democrats ) need to chill but can Obama save them or have they lunged to the left that it is now Cortez and Sanders type Democrats and no longer Bill Clinton or even Joe Biden Democrats?

I say the party is lost...

Could be, but I've learned not to make extrapolations out too far. Things change.

The Democrats are going through something similar to what the GOP did with Trump. Back then we were talking about how the the party was splitting between the Trumpsters and the RINOs. The Trumpsters won, at least for now, but you never know.
.

Trump is the worst thing to happen to the Republican party, and when he leaves it will take decades before they recover.

Democrats seem to be heading more to the Cortez and Talib types than Clinton, Obama and Biden types.

That will never sell in Purple and Red America...

A pretty toxic mess right now, served up by the wings.
.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Can Obama save the Democrats?

LOL! The socialist Kenyan pig helped destroy them.

No, Cortez, Sanders and even Warren are killing the Democrats in red and even purple states.

 

[jknowgood]

Lol, anifta is saying send the Jews to the ovens. They do represent your party well.

When did they say this? Are you listening to Fox News again?

There is a forum on here about it. Like I said they represent your party very well.