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The people of England couldn't take care of themselves. Not with that government. That government let the rich rule the serfs. The people of Mexico can't take care of themselves. That government doesn't look out for the masses. The rich rule Mexico.
The only reason you can afford to be so cocky and arrogant is because of the liberal progressive democratic new deal pro labor government you had from FDR to Bush in 2000.
To be honest, Reagan was the first to attack the middle class but GW twisted the knife Reagan put in our backs.
30 years ago the American Middle Class was the best. Today people in Seattle wish they lived in Vancouver. Stupid fucking Americans.
Don't go on any of those free vacations where all you have to do is look at a timeshare. Seriously. I don't think I need government to take care of me, you do think you need it to take care of you. The liberal progressive democratic new deal pro labor government did that, LOL. Actually, I did that for you. By investing my money and growing a business and providing you a job. Government turns around and pummels me for that. You succeed in spite of government, not because of it. You just don't know that because you're not the one fighting the dragon. Your boss is.
I am so sick of the right wing talking points
LOL, finally, you brought back the context of the quote, though you made the quote you like large and the context small. Read this. He is talking about tax collection. He is saying that taxes are the property of government. You said this is Franklin saying that all money belongs to government. Do you seriously not understand this? Everything you are making giant is referring to his opposition to cheating on taxes, he is not saying all money belongs to government.
NO DUMB-ASS He's talking about EVERYTHING beyond what your basic needs are are SOCIETIES, that without society you wouldn't have it AND anything beyond your basic (minimal) needs RIGHTFULLY belongs to the public, IF THEY NEED IT! Get fukking honest just one time. I'd probably fie of a heart attack!
Are you mentally handicapped? Who told you SS and Medicare are no longer? Who told you the GOP want to end SS? Are you retarded? Who told you you can only get 1% on investments? WTF is wrong with you?LOL, finally, you brought back the context of the quote, though you made the quote you like large and the context small. Read this. He is talking about tax collection. He is saying that taxes are the property of government. You said this is Franklin saying that all money belongs to government. Do you seriously not understand this? Everything you are making giant is referring to his opposition to cheating on taxes, he is not saying all money belongs to government.
NO DUMB-ASS He's talking about EVERYTHING beyond what your basic needs are are SOCIETIES, that without society you wouldn't have it AND anything beyond your basic (minimal) needs RIGHTFULLY belongs to the public, IF THEY NEED IT! Get fukking honest just one time. I'd probably fie of a heart attack!
I think being the greatest country in the world we can figure out the right balance so that when people hit 62 they can retire with their ss check and medicare. If they want more they can work till 65 or even 70 if they want. But people should be able to retire/die with dignity. The system we have now is like what we had before SS and Medicare. The GOP want to undo the New Deal. Trust me, it won't work. The majority of Americans will suffer. The Libertarians, Republicans and Tea Baggers want to go back to "the good old days".
Bush basically deregulated our markets and basically took us back to before the Great Depression and no surprise we had a Great Recession. History repeating itself is all that is. Before the Dems took over, the GOP had it so we had booms and busts every 10 years. The country doesn't work best that way. The Dems changed it so we had 50 years of slow steady safe growth. Wallstreet wanted to gamble with our money, and they lost it. I say they lost it on purpose, but lets pretend they didn't do it on purpose. They got BAILED OUT. Bush gave the bankers that fucked you and me all their money back. Now inflation is high and there is too much money out there. The millionaires are now billionaires. They can invest. If you invest your $10K what will you get? 1% at best? Dumb American Middle Class.
America is not the greatest country in the world anymore unless you are rich or are going to get rich. If not, there are better countries. Google Vancouver better economy than Seattle and see.
I did the work
We are fiscally conservative, but you call us "conservatives" not "fiscal conservatives." Why is that? I would have no problem with the latter. I have no problem with the former, I just think it shows how disingenuous you are. When pressed, you say you say the former because of fiscal conservatism. But you do it because you want to connect us with socons and neocons, which we are not.
On the other hand, calling is "libertarians" or "fiscal conservatives" provides no false connotation. They are accurate. Which is why you won't use them.
Perhaps BECAUSE you are NOT fiscal conservatives, but right wing wrack jobs who have no problem denying Gov't funds to run Gov't?
ALL you believe in is myths and fairy tales and can NEVER point to ANY society EVER using your policies. Weird
THEN IT'S THE ENTIRE THING OF VOTING AND SUPPORTING THE GOPers..lol
Are you mentally handicapped? Who told you SS and Medicare are no longer? Who told you the GOP want to end SS? Are you retarded? Who told you you can only get 1% on investments? WTF is wrong with you?LOL, finally, you brought back the context of the quote, though you made the quote you like large and the context small. Read this. He is talking about tax collection. He is saying that taxes are the property of government. You said this is Franklin saying that all money belongs to government. Do you seriously not understand this? Everything you are making giant is referring to his opposition to cheating on taxes, he is not saying all money belongs to government.
NO DUMB-ASS He's talking about EVERYTHING beyond what your basic needs are are SOCIETIES, that without society you wouldn't have it AND anything beyond your basic (minimal) needs RIGHTFULLY belongs to the public, IF THEY NEED IT! Get fukking honest just one time. I'd probably fie of a heart attack!
I think being the greatest country in the world we can figure out the right balance so that when people hit 62 they can retire with their ss check and medicare. If they want more they can work till 65 or even 70 if they want. But people should be able to retire/die with dignity. The system we have now is like what we had before SS and Medicare. The GOP want to undo the New Deal. Trust me, it won't work. The majority of Americans will suffer. The Libertarians, Republicans and Tea Baggers want to go back to "the good old days".
Bush basically deregulated our markets and basically took us back to before the Great Depression and no surprise we had a Great Recession. History repeating itself is all that is. Before the Dems took over, the GOP had it so we had booms and busts every 10 years. The country doesn't work best that way. The Dems changed it so we had 50 years of slow steady safe growth. Wallstreet wanted to gamble with our money, and they lost it. I say they lost it on purpose, but lets pretend they didn't do it on purpose. They got BAILED OUT. Bush gave the bankers that fucked you and me all their money back. Now inflation is high and there is too much money out there. The millionaires are now billionaires. They can invest. If you invest your $10K what will you get? 1% at best? Dumb American Middle Class.
America is not the greatest country in the world anymore unless you are rich or are going to get rich. If not, there are better countries. Google Vancouver better economy than Seattle and see.
An utter lack of understanding.
Do you even know, or understand, that the "founders" were attempting to throw off the shackles of an oppressive regime? They were, in Toto, NOT "big government types." All evidence and history shows you to be incorrect in every possible way. BTW, that is not "ironic" that is ignorance.
To assert the underpinning of the fundamentals of political philosophy are "useless in political discussion" only makes you look like a highly maleducated maroon. Perhaps before you say another word on the subject, educate yourself.
Weird, I thought they tried it with the Articles of Confederation for over a decade THEN chose a BIG FEDERAL GOV'T via the US Constitution?
Yes, the US was split between 'big Gov't federalists and states rights anti's, much like today, and guess which side won the debate?
Article I, Section 2, Clause 3:
Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers...[1]
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:
The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
... it is amazing how those who claim to believe in the Free market, where compensation is largely determined by supply and demand...............are also the ones who put such a "moral" emphasis on equal treatment when it comes to taxes..
Why is that amazing?
Article I, Section 2, Clause 3:
Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers...[1]
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:
The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
And where does it say government can then give the money to other citizens?
Article I, Section 2, Clause 3:
Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers...[1]
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:
The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
And where does it say government can then give the money to other citizens?
Do you think they are supposed to keep it?
Article I, Section 2, Clause 3:
Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers...[1]
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:
The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
And where does it say government can then give the money to other citizens?
Do you think they are supposed to keep it?
Snarky, moronic, clueless, irrelevant to the point, that would be a typical RWerism...
Article I, Section 2, Clause 3:
Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers...[1]
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:
The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
And where does it say government can then give the money to other citizens?
Do you think they are supposed to keep it?
Snarky, moronic, clueless, irrelevant to the point, that would be a typical RWerism...
What right wingers don't understand is...
Not most of it, most of it are in tax sheltered trusts. Just like he doesn't pay income tax rates like he says we should pay. And then he's billions behind in paying those.
He's a pure hypocrite.
Are you mentally handicapped? Who told you SS and Medicare are no longer? Who told you the GOP want to end SS? Are you retarded? Who told you you can only get 1% on investments? WTF is wrong with you?
You are functionally illiterate, read the quote, it is very clear what he is talking about.
Benjamin Franklin's quote clearly shows he wants the poor working their own way out. You can disagree all you want, that is what he said.
Benjamin Franklin's quote clearly shows he wants the poor working their own way out. You can disagree all you want, that is what he said.
And he clearly said all money beyond the basics are the benefit of society, AND belong to society if they need it!
