Can't Ya' Give The President Credit...??

[xotoxi]

My take: WHO GIVES A SHIT!

What's done is done. It all worked out in the end.

If you don't like his politics, don't vote for him.

This thread is absolutely pointless...I fail to see it's relevance in any way.

 

[uscitizen]

My take: WHO GIVES A SHIT!

What's done is done. It all worked out in the end.

If you don't like his politics, don't vote for him.

This thread is absolutely pointless...I fail to see it's relevance in any way.

Same as that post and this one as well.
for that matter same as about 80% of the posts on this board.

 

[Big Black Dog]

So far, in my humble opinion, getting OBL is the only thing Obama has done that was worth a fuck since he's been in office. I'll give him credit for that.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Sure.

Let's make believe this never happened:

1. WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama said Wednesday night that waterboarding authorized by former President George W. Bush was torture and that the information it gained from terror suspects could have been obtained by other means. "In some cases, it may be harder," he conceded at a White House news conference capping a whirlwind first 100 days in office.

The president also said he was "absolutely convinced" he had acted correctly in banning tough interrogation techniques including waterboarding, which simulates drowning, and in making public the Bush administration memos detailing their use on terrorist suspects. ...Obama has come under heavy criticism for his actions from former Vice President Dick Cheney and other Republicans. They have urged Obama to release memos they say will show the tough methods were successful in obtaining information.

Obama told reporters he has read the documents Cheney and others are referring to but said they are classified and declined to discuss their details. In a White House exchange with House Republican leader John Boehner last week, Obama said the record was equivocal.
Obama says waterboarding was torture


2. "I have been consistent in my strong belief that no Administration should allow the use of torture, including so-called 'enhanced interrogation techniques' like water-boarding, head-slapping, and extreme temperatures. It's time that we had a Department of Justice that upholds the rule of law and American values, instead of finding ways to enable the President to subvert them. No more political parsing or legal loopholes. I cannot support Judge Mukasey unless he clearly and unequivocally rejects techniques like water-boarding."
Election Central | Talking Points Memo | Obama: "I Cannot Support" Mukasey Without Clarity On Waterboarding

3. On Aug. 24, 2009, US Attorney General Eric Holder that, at the behest of President Barack Obama, he had appointed a special prosecutor to probe the interrogation techniques administered to detainees by CIA operatives during the George W. Bush administration.

Aug 31, 2009
In a wide-ranging interview with FOX News Sunday's Chris Wallace yesterday, former Vice President Dick Cheney outlined why investigating the legality of decisions made by a previous administration will do more than just create morale problems for America's national security personnel -- it will ensure that every single presidential decision will be open to long-term legal consequences.

Aug 25, 2009
US Attorney General Eric Holder announced Monday that he has launched an investigation into the methods used by CIA operatives who interrogated suspected terrorists during the Bush Administration ...CIA Interrogation Probe -- Tracking Obama's CIA Interrogation Probe

4. Obama Can't Let Go: May Investigate GITMO Interrogations
From Justin Quinn, About.com Guide April 22, 2009

President Barack Obama can't seem to move on from the 2008 presidential election. He seems determined to continue his campaign against the Bush administration.

Obama released select documents Monday from his predecessor's National Security Files, which detailed the somewhat harsh interrogation techniques allegedly used against enemy combatants housed at the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center. Obama followed up the release of these documents by saying he couldn't rule out investigations and/or prosecutions of the top Bush officials who signed off on the use of the techniques.
Obama seems to forget that it was under the previous Democratic administration that the attacks of 9/11 were planned and the terrorists provided entry to the US.

While it may be convenient for Obama to divert attention from his administrations many early mistakes by trying to refocus the nation's attention on the Bush administration, Obama really should concentrate on keeping America safe and fixing its many problems. Investigating Bush officials solves nothing and only creates more division on Capitol Hill -- something Obama the presidential candidate promised he wouldn't do.

Obama Can't Let Go: May Investigate GITMO Interrogations


5. Something the president forgot to mention last night, when he claimed credit for “the most significant achievement to date in our nation’s effort to defeat al Qaeda.” The president owes some thanks—and apologies—to the men and women of the CIA’s interrogation program.

So Guantanamo detainees provided the key intelligence that allowed the CIA to track down bin Laden. But not just any Guantanamo detainees. It turns out the detainees in question were KSM and Abu Faraj al-Libi, the man who succeeded KSM as al Qaeda’s operational commander, when the 9/11 mastermind was captured in 2003. Obama Owes Thanks for Bin Laden Operation to CIA Interrogators « The Enterprise Blog


So...how does the President share the credit and make up for the threats he made to the careers and efforts of Bush administration officials, and interrogators at Gitmo?

When does he offer the 'Sorry, Guys'?

Thats actually a great point in light of those facts and a legitimate question.

Nice thread.

 

[FuelRod]

For doing the right thing?
No, that's his job.

 

[kiwiman127]

Just to throw a little gas on the fire,,,,,,

How Did the CIA Find bin Laden? A Phone Call, a Courier, and Years of Detective Work
<snip>

Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.

How Did the CIA Find bin Laden? A Phone Call, a Courier, and Years of Detective Work | The Blaze

 

[LilOlLady]

RIght wing nuts want to give credit to Bush? Obama is only blamed for thing that go bad. Bush was relieved of all responsibility for the wars and Oama has been blamed FOR them but he cannot have CREDIT for getting Sam? Just go figure and leave it at that because it is useless to argue the facts.
It is not up to indivuals to credit Obama anyway. I heard a man say he was not going to vote for Obama is he ran again but this changed his mind. Yes Obama got Sam and he is being blamed for an economy, etc so?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

RIght wing nuts want to give credit to Bush? Obama is only blamed for thing that go bad. Bush was relieved of all responsibility for the wars and Oama has been blamed FOR them but he cannot have CREDIT for getting Sam? Just go figure and leave it at that because it is useless to argue the facts.

Both Bush and Obama deserve credit.

Bush's policies and decisions had a hand in the entire situation.

Obama deserves credit for making the right judgement call by not telling anyone, including pakistan, and by giving the kill order.

 

[Sallow]

This is a farce.

Torture revealed very little useful information. From what I understand what they got out of KSM was the that Osama was using couriers instead of cell phones and not much more.

That's something they probably figured out on their own anyway.

The waterboarding caused much more damages in terms of the rule of law..and statecraft..then that little tibit of information.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This is a farce.

Torture revealed very little useful information. From what I understand what they got out of KSM was the that Osama was using couriers instead of cell phones and not much more.

That's something they probably figured out on their own anyway.

The waterboarding caused much more damages in terms of the rule of law..and statecraft..then that little tibit of information.

What they learned was the identity of the 'couriers,' ... Michaela and Tareq Salahi...and they followed them to the party at the OBL compound.

The same dude who forged the birth certificate got the name SEALS onto the clipboard...they got past the velvet rope, and the rest is history!

Now the Discover Channel has signed the SEALS into a new reality show "Extreme Home Makeover.'
See, my posts can be as funny as yours!

 

[Ravi]

mmmmm hacky thread, but typical from PC

But I betcha it won't get absorbed into the thread from hell.

 

[signelect]

He is a politician for gosh sakes and running for reelection what did you expect him to say. The problem with expectations is that we forget to tell the person we are criticizing what we expect from them. It is very unfortunate that we look to praise a person for ordering the death of another regardless of the reason. I am glad Bin Laden is gone and the world is a better place but the mess is still there and we lost over 50,000 US citizen since 9/11 on this mess and the problem is still there.. I know how the story end, I just don't know when.

 

[PoliticalChic]

mmmmm hacky thread, but typical from PC

Dynamite counter!

Glad to see you working to ability!

 

[PoliticalChic]

mmmmm hacky thread, but typical from PC

Dynamite counter!

Glad to see you working to ability!

you bring out the low level intelligent in me. That says something for the threads you make.

Actually, that was a pretty good come-back.


Who wrote it for you?

 

[theHawk]

mmmmm hacky thread, but typical from PC

Dynamite counter!

Glad to see you working to ability!

you bring out the low level intelligent in me. That says something for the threads you make.

Pretty sure that was a gift you were born with.

 

[PoliticalChic]

you bring out the low level intelligent in me. That says something for the threads you make.

Actually, that was a pretty good come-back.


Who wrote it for you?

your mother!OOOOOOOOOOOO

Did not.
I asked her.

 

[tigerbob]

your mother!OOOOOOOOOOOO

Did not.
I asked her.

she told me last night....regardless i still owe her 20...can you spot me?

I've seen this before....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ioBZ5fNJO8]YouTube - jimmy carr owns heckler[/ame]

 

[The T]

Sure.

Let's make believe this never happened:

1. WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama said Wednesday night that waterboarding authorized by former President George W. Bush was torture and that the information it gained from terror suspects could have been obtained by other means. "In some cases, it may be harder," he conceded at a White House news conference capping a whirlwind first 100 days in office.

The president also said he was "absolutely convinced" he had acted correctly in banning tough interrogation techniques including waterboarding, which simulates drowning, and in making public the Bush administration memos detailing their use on terrorist suspects. ...Obama has come under heavy criticism for his actions from former Vice President Dick Cheney and other Republicans. They have urged Obama to release memos they say will show the tough methods were successful in obtaining information.

Obama told reporters he has read the documents Cheney and others are referring to but said they are classified and declined to discuss their details. In a White House exchange with House Republican leader John Boehner last week, Obama said the record was equivocal.
Obama says waterboarding was torture


2. "I have been consistent in my strong belief that no Administration should allow the use of torture, including so-called 'enhanced interrogation techniques' like water-boarding, head-slapping, and extreme temperatures. It's time that we had a Department of Justice that upholds the rule of law and American values, instead of finding ways to enable the President to subvert them. No more political parsing or legal loopholes. I cannot support Judge Mukasey unless he clearly and unequivocally rejects techniques like water-boarding."
Election Central | Talking Points Memo | Obama: "I Cannot Support" Mukasey Without Clarity On Waterboarding

3. On Aug. 24, 2009, US Attorney General Eric Holder that, at the behest of President Barack Obama, he had appointed a special prosecutor to probe the interrogation techniques administered to detainees by CIA operatives during the George W. Bush administration.

Aug 31, 2009
In a wide-ranging interview with FOX News Sunday's Chris Wallace yesterday, former Vice President Dick Cheney outlined why investigating the legality of decisions made by a previous administration will do more than just create morale problems for America's national security personnel -- it will ensure that every single presidential decision will be open to long-term legal consequences.

Aug 25, 2009
US Attorney General Eric Holder announced Monday that he has launched an investigation into the methods used by CIA operatives who interrogated suspected terrorists during the Bush Administration ...CIA Interrogation Probe -- Tracking Obama's CIA Interrogation Probe

4. Obama Can't Let Go: May Investigate GITMO Interrogations
From Justin Quinn, About.com Guide April 22, 2009

President Barack Obama can't seem to move on from the 2008 presidential election. He seems determined to continue his campaign against the Bush administration.

Obama released select documents Monday from his predecessor's National Security Files, which detailed the somewhat harsh interrogation techniques allegedly used against enemy combatants housed at the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center. Obama followed up the release of these documents by saying he couldn't rule out investigations and/or prosecutions of the top Bush officials who signed off on the use of the techniques.
Obama seems to forget that it was under the previous Democratic administration that the attacks of 9/11 were planned and the terrorists provided entry to the US.

While it may be convenient for Obama to divert attention from his administrations many early mistakes by trying to refocus the nation's attention on the Bush administration, Obama really should concentrate on keeping America safe and fixing its many problems. Investigating Bush officials solves nothing and only creates more division on Capitol Hill -- something Obama the presidential candidate promised he wouldn't do.

Obama Can't Let Go: May Investigate GITMO Interrogations


5. Something the president forgot to mention last night, when he claimed credit for “the most significant achievement to date in our nation’s effort to defeat al Qaeda.” The president owes some thanks—and apologies—to the men and women of the CIA’s interrogation program.

So Guantanamo detainees provided the key intelligence that allowed the CIA to track down bin Laden. But not just any Guantanamo detainees. It turns out the detainees in question were KSM and Abu Faraj al-Libi, the man who succeeded KSM as al Qaeda’s operational commander, when the 9/11 mastermind was captured in 2003. Obama Owes Thanks for Bin Laden Operation to CIA Interrogators « The Enterprise Blog


So...how does the President share the credit and make up for the threats he made to the careers and efforts of Bush administration officials, and interrogators at Gitmo?

When does he offer the 'Sorry, Guys'?

He won't. in the open. And odd isn't it GTMO is still open?

But it must be noted that Obama did call GW Bush to inform him of OBL's death...

 

[edthecynic]

That is from a highly conservative blog and took vast liberties with the interpretation of what obama actually said.

Blogs are opinions and not facts.

I challenge you to find any aspect or fact that is untrue.

It would be more of a challenge to find any aspect or fact that is true.

The most obvious fault is that the info was acquired while the detainees were in Poland and Romania and by conventional means, not torture!!!!! So it looks like Obama was Right all along!!!

But you will never let the facts ever get in the way of your rants.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

This is a farce.

Torture revealed very little useful information. From what I understand what they got out of KSM was the that Osama was using couriers instead of cell phones and not much more.

That's something they probably figured out on their own anyway.

The waterboarding caused much more damages in terms of the rule of law..and statecraft..then that little tibit of information.

THIS is a farce:


"Torture revealed very little useful information. From what I understand what they got out of KSM was the that Osama was using couriers instead of cell phones and not much more.

That's something they probably figured out on their own anyway.

The waterboarding caused much more damages in terms of the rule of law..and statecraft..then that little tibit of information"

You are right, that is a farce.