Capitalism or Communism? Is communism really that horrible?

[Cecilie1200]

So with all this am I to believe the United States is now governed by communists, well not the House, that's good old Americanism. But then a new question arises were the ideas for government put forth by the founders also communism? They had a lot of strange beliefs and wore funny clothes. Seems like communists run everything, well not the Republican party that's good old Americanism.

The Founders respected the institution of private property, so they obviously weren't communists. Modern Democrats evidence no such respect.

I'm not sure if he's trying to say we define "communism" as "strange beliefs and funny clothes", or if he's trying to pretend that any of the Democrat Party even vaguely espouse the same ideals the Founding Fathers do, instead of just paying them lip service while doing the exact opposite.

Part of the problem with understanding him is that I'm going to need defibrillators soon just to be able to make it through his posts without them boring me to death.

 

[regent]

Correct! However, communism is the direct of government to centrally control ALL of the means and ends of production, most notably through force.

Communism, properly so called, is anarchistic. It has no government; it's the end-stage of Marxist theory in which the state has withered away. You're thinking of Marxist-Leninist socialism, which (supposedly) would lead to communism.

Of course, a communist economy in a civilized context is totally impossible, at least as much so as a perfect free market, which is why I say both these economic philosophies are reality-challenged, ivory-tower stuff without practical validity.

A perfect free market? Nothing in this world is perfect except perhaps nature. However, a free market did occur and it ran quite well from around 1870 - 1907-ish (give or take).

In what country did this free market take place?

 

[bripat9643]

A perfect free market? Nothing in this world is perfect except perhaps nature. However, a free market did occur and it ran quite well from around 1870 - 1907-ish (give or take).

In what country did this free market take place?

The United States, asshole.

 

[Cecilie1200]

A perfect free market? Nothing in this world is perfect except perhaps nature. However, a free market did occur and it ran quite well from around 1870 - 1907-ish (give or take).

In what country did this free market take place?

The United States, asshole.

Stand by for all-or-nothing bullshit response in 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . .

 

[bripat9643]

In what country did this free market take place?

The United States, asshole.

Stand by for all-or-nothing bullshit response in 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . .

I've heard it 10,000 times. If they United States had a single mile of railroad subsidized by the government, that proves the free market is a failure. Yet, the same turds will tell you that unregulated capitalism was the cause of the Great Depression.

 

[regent]

A perfect free market? Nothing in this world is perfect except perhaps nature. However, a free market did occur and it ran quite well from around 1870 - 1907-ish (give or take).

In what country did this free market take place?

The United States, asshole.

There has never been a free market in the United States. First there was always state and local laws regulating business and corporations. Then to fit your dates: in 1860's the government built railroads, then the Granger laws, Munn V. Illinois, the Sherman Anti Trust act, the Interstate Commerce Act 1887. In fact, regulation goes back to the beginning of the nation and before, and has never stopped.

 

[Cecilie1200]

In what country did this free market take place?

The United States, asshole.

There has never been a free market in the United States. First there was always state and local laws regulating business and corporations. Then to fit your dates: in 1860's the government built railroads, then the Granger laws, Munn V. Illinois, the Sherman Anti Trust act, the Interstate Commerce Act 1887. In fact, regulation goes back to the beginning of the nation and before, and has never stopped.

Aaaaand there's the all-or-nothing bullshit answer. Took a bit longer than I expected, but maybe he had to go to the bathroom and take a load off his brain.

"It wasn't a PERFECT free market, so it wasn't a free market AT ALL!" Typical liberal.

 

[daveman]

The United States, asshole.

There has never been a free market in the United States. First there was always state and local laws regulating business and corporations. Then to fit your dates: in 1860's the government built railroads, then the Granger laws, Munn V. Illinois, the Sherman Anti Trust act, the Interstate Commerce Act 1887. In fact, regulation goes back to the beginning of the nation and before, and has never stopped.

Aaaaand there's the all-or-nothing bullshit answer. Took a bit longer than I expected, but maybe he had to go to the bathroom and take a load off his brain.

"It wasn't a PERFECT free market, so it wasn't a free market AT ALL!" Typical liberal.

"...so therefore we should embrace socialism!!"

 

[regent]

There has never been a free market in the United States. First there was always state and local laws regulating business and corporations. Then to fit your dates: in 1860's the government built railroads, then the Granger laws, Munn V. Illinois, the Sherman Anti Trust act, the Interstate Commerce Act 1887. In fact, regulation goes back to the beginning of the nation and before, and has never stopped.

Aaaaand there's the all-or-nothing bullshit answer. Took a bit longer than I expected, but maybe he had to go to the bathroom and take a load off his brain.

"It wasn't a PERFECT free market, so it wasn't a free market AT ALL!" Typical liberal.

"...so therefore we should embrace socialism!!"

You can embrace what you like, but the point is the US never had a free market. If at times government involvement has lessened that does not make it a free market.

 

[daveman]

Aaaaand there's the all-or-nothing bullshit answer. Took a bit longer than I expected, but maybe he had to go to the bathroom and take a load off his brain.

"It wasn't a PERFECT free market, so it wasn't a free market AT ALL!" Typical liberal.

"...so therefore we should embrace socialism!!"

You can embrace what you like, but the point is the US never had a free market. If at times government involvement has lessened that does not make it a free market.

True. So we really don't know if a truly free market would be successful.

However, we have had many examples of socialist and Communist nations.

They all failed.

 

[bripat9643]

Aaaaand there's the all-or-nothing bullshit answer. Took a bit longer than I expected, but maybe he had to go to the bathroom and take a load off his brain.

"It wasn't a PERFECT free market, so it wasn't a free market AT ALL!" Typical liberal.

"...so therefore we should embrace socialism!!"

You can embrace what you like, but the point is the US never had a free market. If at times government involvement has lessened that does not make it a free market.

Yeah, we know. If there is one drop of socialism in an ocean of free market capitalism, you can't use it as an example of the superiority of the free market. This "logic" is pulled out every time anyone points out the economic record of the United States before the liberals/progressives took over.

So explain to us how it proves that the free market doesn't work and the regulation is necessary.

 

[regent]

The United States, asshole.

Stand by for all-or-nothing bullshit response in 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . .

I've heard it 10,000 times. If they United States had a single mile of railroad subsidized by the government, that proves the free market is a failure. Yet, the same turds will tell you that unregulated capitalism was the cause of the Great Depression.

So what caused the Great Depression or any depression/recession?

 

[Contumacious]

Stand by for all-or-nothing bullshit response in 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . .

I've heard it 10,000 times. If they United States had a single mile of railroad subsidized by the government, that proves the free market is a failure. Yet, the same turds will tell you that unregulated capitalism was the cause of the Great Depression.

So what caused the Great Depression or any depression/recession?

The FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[bripat9643]

Stand by for all-or-nothing bullshit response in 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . .

I've heard it 10,000 times. If they United States had a single mile of railroad subsidized by the government, that proves the free market is a failure. Yet, the same turds will tell you that unregulated capitalism was the cause of the Great Depression.

So what caused the Great Depression or any depression/recession?

The government.

In the case of the Great Depression, the Federal Reserve caused it by inflating the supply of credit. Hmmmm, what other recession does that remind you of?

 

[regent]

I've heard it 10,000 times. If they United States had a single mile of railroad subsidized by the government, that proves the free market is a failure. Yet, the same turds will tell you that unregulated capitalism was the cause of the Great Depression.

So what caused the Great Depression or any depression/recession?

The government.

In the case of the Great Depression, the Federal Reserve caused it by inflating the supply of credit. Hmmmm, what other recession does that remind you of?

So is the federal reseverve responsible for all recessions/depressions by inflating the supply of credit or only the Great Depression? Was this also the cause of European nation's depressions?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So what caused the Great Depression or any depression/recession?

The government.

In the case of the Great Depression, the Federal Reserve caused it by inflating the supply of credit. Hmmmm, what other recession does that remind you of?

So is the federal reseverve responsible for all recessions/depressions by inflating the supply of credit or only the Great Depression? Was this also the cause of European nation's depressions?

yes government is always responsible since the free market is self- correcting while the government monopoly is not!!

 

[regent]

The government.

In the case of the Great Depression, the Federal Reserve caused it by inflating the supply of credit. Hmmmm, what other recession does that remind you of?

So is the federal reseverve responsible for all recessions/depressions by inflating the supply of credit or only the Great Depression? Was this also the cause of European nation's depressions?

yes government is always responsible since the free market is self- correcting while the government monopoly is not!!

Are depressions/recessions part of that self-correcting process?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So is the federal reseverve responsible for all recessions/depressions by inflating the supply of credit or only the Great Depression? Was this also the cause of European nation's depressions?

yes government is always responsible since the free market is self- correcting while the government monopoly is not!!

Are depressions/recessions part of that self-correcting process?

no in a Republican capitalist economy you might get a minor recession but nothing worse since the free market is self correcting while a government monopoly is the exact opposite.

 

[regent]

So the usual reason given for creating the Federal Reserve was the panic of 1907 and that was incorrect. So was their a panic of 1907 and if so was it caused by the Federal Reserve?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So the usual reason given for creating the Federal Reserve was the panic of 1907 and that was incorrect. So was their a panic of 1907 and if so was it caused by the Federal Reserve?

as a liberal you won't have the IQ to understand central banking

1) no it was correct ,and???????????????????????

2) yes there was a panic in 1907

3) yes it was caused by the Federal Reserve or more specificially the lack of the "reserve function" that the Federal Reserve was supposed to perform and was then designed to perform.