Capitalistic greed is the main problem in the U.S.

[Harry Dresden]

[
It was not rhetorical... I often ask questions to get answers, explore alternatives, to get more details to analyze. I've asked a dozen times for specific regulations that are holding things up in the FDA and nobody has listed anything. I'm not doing this to prove that there is not a regulation problem... I'm doing it so we can talk about the actual problems that people are complaining about. There are way too much empty talk on this board. I prefer looking at real details and exploring real solutions.

I would trust a private food safety inspection program any and every day over the FDA. I SURE don't trust the FDA.

you have a lot more faith in those people than i do......

 

[TooTall]

Do you think the regulations are in place to protect the company or the consumer?

The regs need to protect the inventor AND the consumer. That's who I think US Patent Law ought to protect, but if one looks into the law there are hundreds of regulations and rules amended and repealed. There is no way to research who benefits and who loses; in the current case the answer is clear.

I think Hillary will solve the problem. Mylan’s contribution to the Clinton Foundation should give her some leverage. LOL

"Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton jumped into the fray over rapid price increases for the EpiPen, a life-saving injection for people who are having severe allergic reactions.

Mrs. Clinton called the recent price hikes of the EpiPen “outrageous, and just the latest example of a company taking advantage of its consumers.” The EpiPen, made by Mylan NV, contains an injectable form of epinephrine that can be jabbed into the thigh to open airways of people who are having what is called anaphylactic shock.

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has had no comment on the price increase. But a spokesman for his campaign says Mrs. Clinton isn’t doing enough to show her opposition. He noted that Mylan has donated between $100,000 and $250,000 to the Clinton Foundation and said that “if Hillary Clinton is as outraged as she claims” then she should direct the foundation to return “every penny” it has received."

Hillary Clinton Calls for Mylan to Lower EpiPen Price Amid Outcry

 

[Slade3200]

Do you think the regulations are in place to protect the company or the consumer?

The regs need to protect the inventor AND the consumer. That's who I think US Patent Law ought to protect, but if one looks into the law there are hundreds of regulations and rules amended and repealed. There is no way to research who benefits and who loses; in the current case the answer is clear.

I think Hillary will solve the problem. Mylan’s contribution to the Clinton Foundation should give her some leverage. LOL

"Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton jumped into the fray over rapid price increases for the EpiPen, a life-saving injection for people who are having severe allergic reactions.

Mrs. Clinton called the recent price hikes of the EpiPen “outrageous, and just the latest example of a company taking advantage of its consumers.” The EpiPen, made by Mylan NV, contains an injectable form of epinephrine that can be jabbed into the thigh to open airways of people who are having what is called anaphylactic shock.

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has had no comment on the price increase. But a spokesman for his campaign says Mrs. Clinton isn’t doing enough to show her opposition. He noted that Mylan has donated between $100,000 and $250,000 to the Clinton Foundation and said that “if Hillary Clinton is as outraged as she claims” then she should direct the foundation to return “every penny” it has received."

Hillary Clinton Calls for Mylan to Lower EpiPen Price Amid Outcry

So Hillary speaks out against it... Trump doesn't say a word... And trumps campaigns only comment is that Hillary isn't doing enough?? Anybody see the irony in that?

 

[healthmyths]

BULLSHIT




The Lack of EpiPen Competitors is the FDA's Fault

There’s a new bout of outrage over an expensive medicine or medical treatment. While the good in question changes each time, the blame always seems to fall on greedy corporations who just aren’t regulated enough. Free markets and capitalism are the scapegoat, even when nothing remotely resembling unhampered markets in health care is in place in the United States.

EpiPen is sold by Mylan, and the price for a pack of two has increased from about $100 in 2007 to over $600 as of May 2016. Mylan has tried to quell the storm by pointing out that many of their customers pay nothing for the drug because of insurance. Their deflection has been unsuccessful.

The economist looks for competitors in cases like this. A firm cannot just willy-nilly raise their prices without a competing firm leaping in to give consumers what they want at a lower price. As it turns out, Mylan has a great friend who keeps would-be competitors out of the market, or at least makes it so difficult for them that they eventually go out of business. That friend is the FDA.

Epinephrine is extremely cheap—just a few cents per dose. The complications come from producing the easy auto-injecting devices. Mylan “owns” their auto-injector device design, so competitors must find work-arounds in their devices to deliver the epinephrine into the patient’s body. This task, coupled with the tangled mess of FDA red tape, has proven to be difficult for would-be EpiPen competitors. It’s like expecting somebody to come up with a new way to play baseball without bases, balls, gloves, or bats, but still getting the game approved by the MLB as a baseball game substitute.

A French pharmaceutical company offered an electronic device that actually talks people through the steps of administering the drug, but it was recalled because of concerns about it delivering the required dose. Just this year, Teva Pharmaceutical’s attempt at bringing a generic epinephrine injector to market in the US was blocked by the FDA. Adrenaclick and Twinject were unable to get insurance companies on board and so discontinuedtheir injectors in 2012.

______----------________


In conclusion fuck the socialists, the fascists, the FDA


.

tough to criticize without the details of why it was rejected. If it didn't pass safety standards and was a risk to our public then it makes sense, right?

Epinephrine - the medicine --is NOT the issue


Epinephrine is extremely cheap—just a few cents per dose. The complications come from producing the easy auto-injecting devices. Mylan “owns” their auto-injector device design, so competitors must find work-arounds in their devices to deliver the epinephrine into the patient’s body. This task, coupled with the tangled mess of FDA red tape, has proven to be difficult for would-be EpiPen competitors. It’s like expecting somebody to come up with a new way to play baseball without bases, balls, gloves, or bats, but still getting the game approved by the MLB as a baseball game substitute.


The issue is how to get from here

to here

.ABOLISH THE FASCISTIC FDA


.

With no FDA how do we prevent dangerous drugs from flooding the market?

I'm not doubting the the FDA creates a long approval process and has much room for better efficiency but I haven't heard one person site specifically what "red tape" measures are erroneous, per this discussion.

What if the generic epipens were failing and dangerous?

Wow! "How do we prevent dangerous drugs"???
Evil capitalist drug CEO: "let's sell this drug that will kill our customers! Throw us in jail. Cost us billions! Yea that's what we'll do!
Brilliant!

Did I ever imply that defective/dangerous drugs were a result of intention to kill from CEO's?

But you said "dangerous drugs..flood market"? So again I ask you, if a CEO KNOWS that a drug is dangerous would he sell it anyway KNOWING that the
drug would be killing his customers?

 

[Dragonlady]

The FDA does a better job of protecting people than the pharmceutical industry has ever done.

Now that is an insanely stupid claim.

Medication stops millions of American deaths every year. I get that you're a Communist and want to seize by force the assets of others. So if these drugs have no value, why do you want to steal them.

Corporations see profit above all else.

So do Communists such as you. The difference is that corporations offer value in return for profit, all you offer is the barrel of a gun.

Someone with no profit motive at all needs to have this role. Big Pharma isn't trustworthy. Need I say Thalidomide, which they're trying to market again.

Every human on earth has a profit motive. You seek to take by force that which you cannot produce by wits.

I thought you "commie under every bed" types had all died off. Apparently there are a few left.

I live in a country where our government does what the people want or we destroy the ruling party, similar to what you're doing to Republicans now. But we don't have the level of outright lying to the electorate that you have. We also don't have lobbying to the extent Americans do or fund raising to the same extent as you.

I've known a few communists. Unrealistic crackpots. Just as batty as you right wing nuts. But right wingers live in a parallel universe where those who are marginalized and systemically held back are asking for too much when they want good schools for their kids, safe neighbourhoods to live in, and a chance to live their lives with some sense of safety and security that children in the suburbs take for granted.

It's good that Republican voters wrested control of the party away from the elite, but sadly it was the racist wing that did it. You might want to rethink that scorched earth who fucking needs the [name of minority group here]. If enough minorities hate you and women think you're scum, how do you expect to get elected?

With each failure to capture the White House, you a$$hats have become more threatening in both your rhetoric and your actions. Trump is already making excuses for his losses. Claiming his loss isn't legitimate. What a lying piece of shit.

 

[healthmyths]

[
It was not rhetorical... I often ask questions to get answers, explore alternatives, to get more details to analyze. I've asked a dozen times for specific regulations that are holding things up in the FDA and nobody has listed anything. I'm not doing this to prove that there is not a regulation problem... I'm doing it so we can talk about the actual problems that people are complaining about. There are way too much empty talk on this board. I prefer looking at real details and exploring real solutions.

I would trust a private food safety inspection program any and every day over the FDA. I SURE don't trust the FDA.

you have a lot more faith in those people than i do......

Well part of the problem is people like you depend on the government from womb to tomb! You depend on a cop on every corner. There is never enough rules and regulations for people that don't have any sense of personal responsibility. The concept of the golden rule is not restricted to theological discussions but people like you
should encourage more personal responsibility then MORE government responsibility. Again there is no way short of an wireless implant that shocks the individual that at any time any where if someone breaks a law or regulation a mild shock is administered. That's why responsible people don't need that implant because we are taught
social and personal responsibility.

 

[TooTall]

Do you think the regulations are in place to protect the company or the consumer?

The regs need to protect the inventor AND the consumer. That's who I think US Patent Law ought to protect, but if one looks into the law there are hundreds of regulations and rules amended and repealed. There is no way to research who benefits and who loses; in the current case the answer is clear.

I think Hillary will solve the problem. Mylan’s contribution to the Clinton Foundation should give her some leverage. LOL

"Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton jumped into the fray over rapid price increases for the EpiPen, a life-saving injection for people who are having severe allergic reactions.

Mrs. Clinton called the recent price hikes of the EpiPen “outrageous, and just the latest example of a company taking advantage of its consumers.” The EpiPen, made by Mylan NV, contains an injectable form of epinephrine that can be jabbed into the thigh to open airways of people who are having what is called anaphylactic shock.

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has had no comment on the price increase. But a spokesman for his campaign says Mrs. Clinton isn’t doing enough to show her opposition. He noted that Mylan has donated between $100,000 and $250,000 to the Clinton Foundation and said that “if Hillary Clinton is as outraged as she claims” then she should direct the foundation to return “every penny” it has received."

Hillary Clinton Calls for Mylan to Lower EpiPen Price Amid Outcry

So Hillary speaks out against it... Trump doesn't say a word... And trumps campaigns only comment is that Hillary isn't doing enough?? Anybody see the irony in that?

Trump has no power to do anything about it. Hillary is trying to defuse it because of the pay to play donation.

 

[Conservative65]

You said there needs to be a balance in everything. However, your pat answer when it comes to balance involves the government doing everything to create what you call balanced.

I would love for government to be as little involved as possible with private business. When I see abuse and wreckless was from powerful companies that directly effects consumers the government understandably steps in. This is the balance that I'm talking about

So, no gov interference, ie no regulations? But at the same time, you want to protect the consumer?....lol....really?

It's not an all or nothing... I support the purpose of government intervention through regulation to protect the consumer. I just wish our companies could be responsible enough to not need much of it. If Companies keep abusing their power all its going to do is grow gov involvement. It is very unfortunate

The government wants to be involved. There are plenty that want the government to be involved regardless of what a business is doing.

Do you support government regulation in the Mylan case?

I don't... I think it is shitty what they are doing but they have the right to do that. I'd hope the Government would support and expedite the development of an affordable generic. I heard somewhere they are funding the delivery to EpiPens to schools so children have access if they are in need. This is a good step but that is our tax money getting ripped off.

I don't have an answer for the horrible inflated prices in our Medical/Healthcare system. It is such a mess between insurance, pharm, and government agencies... I'd like to see more competition start to drive down prices and I know many feel that regulation is holding that back. I'd like to hear more discussion about the specifics of what regulations are in place and causing friction so that we can improve the process, while still fostering a safe environment and products for the public.

Thanks for the question btw... It's nice to actually get to explain my position rather than have others assume it for me.

Do you support the government using tax dollars to fund those EpiPens?

The businesses can tell you what regulations are holding them back. I'm all for safe products and don't think anyone that can mix up something should be able to do so simply because they can. However, beyond the safety part, the government needs to stay out of it.

 

[HUGGY]

Capitalistic greed is the main problem in the U.S.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to make a profit from one's own efforts.

The PROBLEM comes when those that have the means and access to the elected criminals in government game the system. People like Trump.

 

[HUGGY]

Do you think the regulations are in place to protect the company or the consumer?

The regs need to protect the inventor AND the consumer. That's who I think US Patent Law ought to protect, but if one looks into the law there are hundreds of regulations and rules amended and repealed. There is no way to research who benefits and who loses; in the current case the answer is clear.

I think Hillary will solve the problem. Mylan’s contribution to the Clinton Foundation should give her some leverage. LOL

"Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton jumped into the fray over rapid price increases for the EpiPen, a life-saving injection for people who are having severe allergic reactions.

Mrs. Clinton called the recent price hikes of the EpiPen “outrageous, and just the latest example of a company taking advantage of its consumers.” The EpiPen, made by Mylan NV, contains an injectable form of epinephrine that can be jabbed into the thigh to open airways of people who are having what is called anaphylactic shock.

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has had no comment on the price increase. But a spokesman for his campaign says Mrs. Clinton isn’t doing enough to show her opposition. He noted that Mylan has donated between $100,000 and $250,000 to the Clinton Foundation and said that “if Hillary Clinton is as outraged as she claims” then she should direct the foundation to return “every penny” it has received."

Hillary Clinton Calls for Mylan to Lower EpiPen Price Amid Outcry

So Hillary speaks out against it... Trump doesn't say a word... And trumps campaigns only comment is that Hillary isn't doing enough?? Anybody see the irony in that?

Trump has no power to do anything about it. Hillary is trying to defuse it because of the pay to play donation.

Where is the evidence that anyone received an illegal favor from the government through an audience with Clinton?

 

[Conservative65]

EpiPen can go to hell. My friend has a shellfish allergy that leads to an anaphylactic reaction... Her throat closes up. She can't afford to buy an EpiPen and her insurance doesn't cover it. Further more they expire after a year so she would have to drop $600 for a pen that expires and needs to get tossed after only a year. Instead she doesn't have one and takes a risk every time she eats out. In the mean time the EpiPen execs and laughing their way to the bank

Mylan executives gave themselves raises as they hiked EpiPen prices

The patent on the drug in an epi pen and the mechanism itself should have run out a long time ago. All the FDA has to do is promise fast track approval for anyone who wants to make an equivalent product, and the manufacturer's hold on the market would wither away.

Yes, the company is greedy, but government regulations that make it next to impossible to field an equal product shares part of the blame. It's what creates the bottleneck in the first place.

You're too late.

There is already generic epipens on the market. I've been buying them for over a year now.

The non generic ones are ridiculously expensive. I buy 6 generic ones for 25 dollars with my insurance. I'm sure that it's more expensive without insurance but no where near the price of the non generic ones.

So you're complaining about nothing. There's already a generic epipen on the market.

Whats the brand you use? Do you have a link. I have a friend who has an anaphylactic allergy to shellfish but can't afford to buy a $600 pen, i'd love to make a recommendation to her

I have a recommendation. Don't eat shellfish.

About three years ago, I woke up in the middle of night and my ankle was hurting much like a sprain. However, there was little to no swelling and no bruising. I had worked in the yard earlier that day and thought that I had done something. When it didn't get better, I went to the doctor and he diagnosed it as gout. He explained to me that gout attacks are a result of uric acid buildup. We went through a list of foods and determined that peanuts were the cause. Peanuts have purines which the body metabolizes to uric acid. Needless to say I rarely eat peanuts and in small amounts when I do.

 

[Slade3200]

tough to criticize without the details of why it was rejected. If it didn't pass safety standards and was a risk to our public then it makes sense, right?

Epinephrine - the medicine --is NOT the issue


Epinephrine is extremely cheap—just a few cents per dose. The complications come from producing the easy auto-injecting devices. Mylan “owns” their auto-injector device design, so competitors must find work-arounds in their devices to deliver the epinephrine into the patient’s body. This task, coupled with the tangled mess of FDA red tape, has proven to be difficult for would-be EpiPen competitors. It’s like expecting somebody to come up with a new way to play baseball without bases, balls, gloves, or bats, but still getting the game approved by the MLB as a baseball game substitute.


The issue is how to get from here

to here

.ABOLISH THE FASCISTIC FDA


.

With no FDA how do we prevent dangerous drugs from flooding the market?

I'm not doubting the the FDA creates a long approval process and has much room for better efficiency but I haven't heard one person site specifically what "red tape" measures are erroneous, per this discussion.

What if the generic epipens were failing and dangerous?

Wow! "How do we prevent dangerous drugs"???
Evil capitalist drug CEO: "let's sell this drug that will kill our customers! Throw us in jail. Cost us billions! Yea that's what we'll do!
Brilliant!

Did I ever imply that defective/dangerous drugs were a result of intention to kill from CEO's?

But you said "dangerous drugs..flood market"? So again I ask you, if a CEO KNOWS that a drug is dangerous would he sell it anyway KNOWING that the
drug would be killing his customers?

I'd hope not... Let me ask you, without proper safety precautions, trials, testing, and safeguards... Could a CEO unknowingly put a drug out on the market that was potentially dangerous to the public?

 

[Slade3200]

[
It was not rhetorical... I often ask questions to get answers, explore alternatives, to get more details to analyze. I've asked a dozen times for specific regulations that are holding things up in the FDA and nobody has listed anything. I'm not doing this to prove that there is not a regulation problem... I'm doing it so we can talk about the actual problems that people are complaining about. There are way too much empty talk on this board. I prefer looking at real details and exploring real solutions.

I would trust a private food safety inspection program any and every day over the FDA. I SURE don't trust the FDA.

you have a lot more faith in those people than i do......

Well part of the problem is people like you depend on the government from womb to tomb! You depend on a cop on every corner. There is never enough rules and regulations for people that don't have any sense of personal responsibility. The concept of the golden rule is not restricted to theological discussions but people like you
should encourage more personal responsibility then MORE government responsibility. Again there is no way short of an wireless implant that shocks the individual that at any time any where if someone breaks a law or regulation a mild shock is administered. That's why responsible people don't need that implant because we are taught
social and personal responsibility.

Balance mr wingnut... Balance. Just because people support law and order in a civilized society doesn't mean it is all or nothing.

 

[TooTall]

Do you think the regulations are in place to protect the company or the consumer?

The regs need to protect the inventor AND the consumer. That's who I think US Patent Law ought to protect, but if one looks into the law there are hundreds of regulations and rules amended and repealed. There is no way to research who benefits and who loses; in the current case the answer is clear.

I think Hillary will solve the problem. Mylan’s contribution to the Clinton Foundation should give her some leverage. LOL

"Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton jumped into the fray over rapid price increases for the EpiPen, a life-saving injection for people who are having severe allergic reactions.

Mrs. Clinton called the recent price hikes of the EpiPen “outrageous, and just the latest example of a company taking advantage of its consumers.” The EpiPen, made by Mylan NV, contains an injectable form of epinephrine that can be jabbed into the thigh to open airways of people who are having what is called anaphylactic shock.

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has had no comment on the price increase. But a spokesman for his campaign says Mrs. Clinton isn’t doing enough to show her opposition. He noted that Mylan has donated between $100,000 and $250,000 to the Clinton Foundation and said that “if Hillary Clinton is as outraged as she claims” then she should direct the foundation to return “every penny” it has received."

Hillary Clinton Calls for Mylan to Lower EpiPen Price Amid Outcry

So Hillary speaks out against it... Trump doesn't say a word... And trumps campaigns only comment is that Hillary isn't doing enough?? Anybody see the irony in that?

Trump has no power to do anything about it. Hillary is trying to defuse it because of the pay to play donation.

Where is the evidence that anyone received an illegal favor from the government through an audience with Clinton?

Apparently you don't know how the system works or you wouldn't ask such an absurd question. LMFAO

 

[Conservative65]

Capitalistic greed is the main problem in the U.S.

What about Socialist greed? Is that bad too? Personal greed?

To those that support socialist programs, they don't consider someone getting what they didn't earn while someone else earning is forced to pay for it as greedy. They're completely satisfied that the non-productive person is handed what the productive person has to do something to get.

Agreed. Hence the inherent hypocrisy of their position.

Exactly what I say.

"I have never understood why is it greed to want to keep the money you have earned and not greed to want to take somebody's else's money" - T. Sowell

 

[Conservative65]

[
It was not rhetorical... I often ask questions to get answers, explore alternatives, to get more details to analyze. I've asked a dozen times for specific regulations that are holding things up in the FDA and nobody has listed anything. I'm not doing this to prove that there is not a regulation problem... I'm doing it so we can talk about the actual problems that people are complaining about. There are way too much empty talk on this board. I prefer looking at real details and exploring real solutions.

I would trust a private food safety inspection program any and every day over the FDA. I SURE don't trust the FDA.

you have a lot more faith in those people than i do......

Well part of the problem is people like you depend on the government from womb to tomb! You depend on a cop on every corner. There is never enough rules and regulations for people that don't have any sense of personal responsibility. The concept of the golden rule is not restricted to theological discussions but people like you
should encourage more personal responsibility then MORE government responsibility. Again there is no way short of an wireless implant that shocks the individual that at any time any where if someone breaks a law or regulation a mild shock is administered. That's why responsible people don't need that implant because we are taught
social and personal responsibility.

Balance mr wingnut... Balance. Just because people support law and order in a civilized society doesn't mean it is all or nothing.

The problem is those saying they want balance are the same ones that want to determine WHEN it's balanced.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The price of the Epipen just went up 500%. It costs a dollar to make, and big pharma is charging $500.00 to save a child's life.

The cost of all drugs in the U.S. are ten times more than any other country.

Health insurance is high because of greed. Doctors and hospitals are some of the greediest.

And it's not just big pharma, it's big oil too. When oil was $140.00 a barrel, gas cost $4.00 a gallon. Now oil is three times less at $47.00 a barrel, and we still pay over $2,20 a gallon.

But the real big greed is the military industrial contractors. $600.00 for toilet seats.....$500.00 for coffee makers....and that's just the cheap stuff.

Greed is why we have a $17 trillion national debt.

Greed is why most crimes are committed. Most in prison are there because of greed.

Lawyers are greedy. NO money, you're guilty.

Politicians work less than six months a year for over $200,000.00 plus healthcare, paid vacations, free transportation, and full retirement after four years.

Remember all you 20, 30 & 40 somethings, you're gonna be old in the blink of an eye....and you're gonna pay through the wazoo. Promise.

How many hundreds of millions were spent in R&D and 10 years of FDA testing?

You don't have a clue.

 

[Slade3200]

Do you think the regulations are in place to protect the company or the consumer?

The regs need to protect the inventor AND the consumer. That's who I think US Patent Law ought to protect, but if one looks into the law there are hundreds of regulations and rules amended and repealed. There is no way to research who benefits and who loses; in the current case the answer is clear.

I think Hillary will solve the problem. Mylan’s contribution to the Clinton Foundation should give her some leverage. LOL

"Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton jumped into the fray over rapid price increases for the EpiPen, a life-saving injection for people who are having severe allergic reactions.

Mrs. Clinton called the recent price hikes of the EpiPen “outrageous, and just the latest example of a company taking advantage of its consumers.” The EpiPen, made by Mylan NV, contains an injectable form of epinephrine that can be jabbed into the thigh to open airways of people who are having what is called anaphylactic shock.

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has had no comment on the price increase. But a spokesman for his campaign says Mrs. Clinton isn’t doing enough to show her opposition. He noted that Mylan has donated between $100,000 and $250,000 to the Clinton Foundation and said that “if Hillary Clinton is as outraged as she claims” then she should direct the foundation to return “every penny” it has received."

Hillary Clinton Calls for Mylan to Lower EpiPen Price Amid Outcry

So Hillary speaks out against it... Trump doesn't say a word... And trumps campaigns only comment is that Hillary isn't doing enough?? Anybody see the irony in that?

Trump has no power to do anything about it. Hillary is trying to defuse it because of the pay to play donation.

Haha, it always amuses me to hear he mindless drones try and use the latest talking points... Ok, so they donated to the foundation there's pay.... How did they play? What did they get in return?? Don't even think about saying access

 

[Harry Dresden]

[
It was not rhetorical... I often ask questions to get answers, explore alternatives, to get more details to analyze. I've asked a dozen times for specific regulations that are holding things up in the FDA and nobody has listed anything. I'm not doing this to prove that there is not a regulation problem... I'm doing it so we can talk about the actual problems that people are complaining about. There are way too much empty talk on this board. I prefer looking at real details and exploring real solutions.

I would trust a private food safety inspection program any and every day over the FDA. I SURE don't trust the FDA.

you have a lot more faith in those people than i do......

Well part of the problem is people like you depend on the government from womb to tomb! You depend on a cop on every corner. There is never enough rules and regulations for people that don't have any sense of personal responsibility. The concept of the golden rule is not restricted to theological discussions but people like you
should encourage more personal responsibility then MORE government responsibility. Again there is no way short of an wireless implant that shocks the individual that at any time any where if someone breaks a law or regulation a mild shock is administered. That's why responsible people don't need that implant because we are taught
social and personal responsibility.

geezus.....you got all that out of what i said?....well what i got out of what you said is this....you are one dumb motherfucker....lol....

 

[Conservative65]

Capitalistic greed is the main problem in the U.S.

What about Socialist greed? Is that bad too? Personal greed?

To those that support socialist programs, they don't consider someone getting what they didn't earn while someone else earning is forced to pay for it as greedy. They're completely satisfied that the non-productive person is handed what the productive person has to do something to get.

That is a completely false narrative. I live in a country with cradle to the grave social programs. I worked hard all of my life and I paid into those programs, just as you pay into your Social Security Program. Now I'm collecting on my annuities. Throughout my working life, I paid to help widows, single mothers and those down on their luck. The social safety net is the price we pay for living in a capitalistic society. Those who simply refuse to work make up such a tiny percentage of the population that the amount of resources needed to ferret them out simply isn't worth the savings.

Even the Ancient Romans knew that the "headcount" needed a ration of bread and the occasional gladiator games to keep them happy and distracted from the conquest of the known world by their elites. The elites paid for the "bread and circuses" out of their own pockets, and to garner votes in the city elections. But today in America, the elites aren't paying. Those who benefit most, pay the least, as a percentage of income. The middle class is paying, and like the working poor before them, their savings are gone and they're deeply in debt. They're fed up. Time to put the burden back where it belongs - on those who benefit the most.

A social safety net is the price we pay for the privilege of living in a capitalist society.

Oh, you think the amount, although not as small as you would like to believe it is, is the issue? That's the problem right there. At what amount does it become a problem? I've yet to have one of you bleeding hearts provide an answer.

If you actually paid to help widows, single mothers, and those down on their luck, yet the government still had to force it from those they thought had too much, you weren't doing enough. If you think they deserved it, it was on you and those like you to fund it all. If you don't, then to say you care are merely words.

Helping people that are in situations not of their own doing if fundamentally different the making dependency a way of life. It's easy to tell in the U.S. which ones of those the get handouts fit into what category.

When it comes to social programs, and that is the topic here, I agree that those benefiting the most should start paying their fair share. Not one person that you want to tax more in order to fund social welfare gets a dime from it. However, those that benefit the most from such programs pay absolutely nothing to the pot from which the funding comes. Glad you agree they should start paying something.