Challenge:Liberals on this Board...Especially Students...Show HARD Evidence that Trump is Racist

[Pogo]

I don't know if I will ever understand why people who clearly don't think Trump is a racist are so fucking obsessed with worrying about people who do think he's a racist.

I put 'em in the same bag with those desperate pleading history-revisionizing threads pleading "but, but, it's just a fact that Hitler was left wing! Isn't it? Please?"

 

[martybegan]

Racism is an internal, mental activity. Without the ability to read minds, there is no way to "prove" that someone is racist.

You can usually make a safe assumption, based on words and actions. But that's not "proof".

No, it's actually quite easy because actual racists come out and say it.

One can be for every single position Trump holds and not be a racist for having those positions. That some of those positions overlap with actual racists is merely an attempt at guilt by association.

 

[Mac1958]

No evidence exists that President of the United States Donald J.Trump is racist?

There is simply no hard evidence, but that has sadly never been required. The word is now used as a weapon, masquerading as a description.

At the same time, it cannot be denied that he has some supporters who are real life, butt-scratching, mouth-breathing racists.

This only makes it easier for the stretch to be made. Guilt by association is not exactly a new thing.
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[Pogo]

Racism is an internal, mental activity. Without the ability to read minds, there is no way to "prove" that someone is racist.

You can usually make a safe assumption, based on words and actions. But that's not "proof".

No, it's actually quite easy because actual racists come out and say it.

One can be for every single position Trump holds and not be a racist for having those positions. That some of those positions overlap with actual racists is merely an attempt at guilt by association.

Kind of agree. Until either we can read minds or Rump comes out and says it directly (and being a known liar that's not worth much) we don't have the basis to know if Rump is a racist. Obviously he's an elitist but that's a broader scope than "racist".

But that's the wrong question anyway. Being a racist wouldn't win votes except from a racist fringe. But baiting the racists, with oblique and semi-oblique code words ("the best words") serves to bring them into one's camp without personally committing to racism. Hence "they're rapists" and "shut down Muslims" and "very fine people" and cue Pavlovian salivation, with plausible deniability.

Whether Rump is personally racist is kind of a moot point. Far more important is that he's a master baiter, as is any proficient con artist. I halfway want to guess that the OP doesn't know the crucial difference between racism and race baiting. The other possibility is he does know and is deliberately conflating to obscure the baiting, but I really don't think he has the intelligence to even figure that out.

So I don't think it's a case of Association Fallacy. I think it's a case of not recognizing how a con artist works.

 

[martybegan]

No evidence exists that President of the United States Donald J.Trump is racist?

There is simply no hard evidence, but that has sadly never been required. The word is now used as a weapon, masquerading as a description.

At the same time, it cannot be denied that he has some supporters who are real life, butt-scratching, mouth-breathing racists.

This only makes it easier for the stretch to be made. Guilt by association is not exactly a new thing.
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And people like Hillary have some supporters that are asshole communists, or at best, "democratic socialists"

 

[martybegan]

Racism is an internal, mental activity. Without the ability to read minds, there is no way to "prove" that someone is racist.

You can usually make a safe assumption, based on words and actions. But that's not "proof".

No, it's actually quite easy because actual racists come out and say it.

One can be for every single position Trump holds and not be a racist for having those positions. That some of those positions overlap with actual racists is merely an attempt at guilt by association.

Kind of agree. Until either we can read minds or Rump comes out and says it directly (and being a known liar that's not worth much) we don't have the basis to know if Rump is a racist. Obviously he's an elitist but that's a broader scope than "racist".

But that's the wrong question anyway. Being a racist wouldn't win votes except from a racist fringe. But baiting the racists, with oblique and semi-oblique code words ("the best words") serves to bring them into one's camp without personally committing to racism. Hence "they're rapists" and "shut down Muslims" and "very fine people" and cue Pavlovian salivation, with plausible deniability.

Whether Rump is personally racist is kind of a moot point. Far more important is that he's a master baiter, as is any proficient con artist. I halfway want to guess that the OP doesn't know the crucial difference between racism and race baiting. The other possibility is he does know and is deliberately conflating to obscure the baiting, but I really don't think he has the intelligence to even figure that out.

I don't see him as an "elitist". He's a crass rich guy, but he also enjoys things normal people enjoy. Bad food, golf, crappy TV (at least making it if not watching it). I'd rather have a rich asshole running things who doesn't act like his shit don't stink than some well meaning snooty academic telling me what I SHOULD do with my life, what I SHOULD think, and if I don;t follow the rules sic government on me or browbeat me to death.

The actual racist vote is really freaking small. What Trump appeals to is the average american's annoyance at progressives penchant to support people who don't follow the rules over people who do.

 

[Pogo]

Racism is an internal, mental activity. Without the ability to read minds, there is no way to "prove" that someone is racist.

You can usually make a safe assumption, based on words and actions. But that's not "proof".

No, it's actually quite easy because actual racists come out and say it.

One can be for every single position Trump holds and not be a racist for having those positions. That some of those positions overlap with actual racists is merely an attempt at guilt by association.

Kind of agree. Until either we can read minds or Rump comes out and says it directly (and being a known liar that's not worth much) we don't have the basis to know if Rump is a racist. Obviously he's an elitist but that's a broader scope than "racist".

But that's the wrong question anyway. Being a racist wouldn't win votes except from a racist fringe. But baiting the racists, with oblique and semi-oblique code words ("the best words") serves to bring them into one's camp without personally committing to racism. Hence "they're rapists" and "shut down Muslims" and "very fine people" and cue Pavlovian salivation, with plausible deniability.

Whether Rump is personally racist is kind of a moot point. Far more important is that he's a master baiter, as is any proficient con artist. I halfway want to guess that the OP doesn't know the crucial difference between racism and race baiting. The other possibility is he does know and is deliberately conflating to obscure the baiting, but I really don't think he has the intelligence to even figure that out.

I don't see him as an "elitist". He's a crass rich guy, but he also enjoys things normal people enjoy. Bad food, golf, crappy TV (at least making it if not watching it). I'd rather have a rich asshole running things who doesn't act like his shit don't stink than some well meaning snooty academic telling me what I SHOULD do with my life, what I SHOULD think, and if I don;t follow the rules sic government on me or browbeat me to death.

I don't mean by "elitist" somebody who has snobby tastes. I mean somebody who literally sees himself as a superior life form. Who carries the view that there's simply a set of societal castes and some are destined to be on the bottom while they, the elitist, are destined to be the --- well, the Elite. This was drummed into Rump from childhood by his father and clearly he bought the whole package. It appeals to his narcissism.

So racism is one way to express such an elitism -- but it's not the only way.

The actual racist vote is really freaking small. What Trump appeals to is the average american's annoyance at progressives penchant to support people who don't follow the rules over people who do.

Eh -- again, that's the con artist selling fantasy-monsters. Monsters of Mexican rapists and Muslim terrorists and a foreign President and protestors "ruining America" and economic rivals "laughing at us" and "because you'd be in jail" and "fire the sumbitches" and "the news media is the enemy" and on and on and on. That's what a political con artist does: divide and conquer. And in order to divide you need the subhuman monsters, and he's all too happy to create them.

As I just said --- baiting. It's what he does.

 

[Mac1958]

No evidence exists that President of the United States Donald J.Trump is racist?

There is simply no hard evidence, but that has sadly never been required. The word is now used as a weapon, masquerading as a description.

At the same time, it cannot be denied that he has some supporters who are real life, butt-scratching, mouth-breathing racists.

This only makes it easier for the stretch to be made. Guilt by association is not exactly a new thing.
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And people like Hillary have some supporters that are asshole communists, or at best, "democratic socialists"

Yup. And we would have seen the same guilt by association.

I don't know what this accomplishes, but it's par for the course.
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[LeftofLeft]

A Racist is one who believes himself to be superior to another person based on color of skin. Not everyone is a racist but everyone has a racial prejudice and stereotype. Everyone.

 

[martybegan]

Racism is an internal, mental activity. Without the ability to read minds, there is no way to "prove" that someone is racist.

You can usually make a safe assumption, based on words and actions. But that's not "proof".

No, it's actually quite easy because actual racists come out and say it.

One can be for every single position Trump holds and not be a racist for having those positions. That some of those positions overlap with actual racists is merely an attempt at guilt by association.

Kind of agree. Until either we can read minds or Rump comes out and says it directly (and being a known liar that's not worth much) we don't have the basis to know if Rump is a racist. Obviously he's an elitist but that's a broader scope than "racist".

But that's the wrong question anyway. Being a racist wouldn't win votes except from a racist fringe. But baiting the racists, with oblique and semi-oblique code words ("the best words") serves to bring them into one's camp without personally committing to racism. Hence "they're rapists" and "shut down Muslims" and "very fine people" and cue Pavlovian salivation, with plausible deniability.

Whether Rump is personally racist is kind of a moot point. Far more important is that he's a master baiter, as is any proficient con artist. I halfway want to guess that the OP doesn't know the crucial difference between racism and race baiting. The other possibility is he does know and is deliberately conflating to obscure the baiting, but I really don't think he has the intelligence to even figure that out.

I don't see him as an "elitist". He's a crass rich guy, but he also enjoys things normal people enjoy. Bad food, golf, crappy TV (at least making it if not watching it). I'd rather have a rich asshole running things who doesn't act like his shit don't stink than some well meaning snooty academic telling me what I SHOULD do with my life, what I SHOULD think, and if I don;t follow the rules sic government on me or browbeat me to death.

I don't mean by "elitist" somebody who has snobby tastes. I mean somebody who literally sees himself as a superior life form. Who carries the view that there's simply a set of societal castes and some are destined to be on the bottom while they, the elitist, are destined to be the --- well, the Elite. This was drummed into Rump from childhood by his father and clearly he bought the whole package. It appeals to his narcissism.

So racism is one way to express such an elitism -- but it's not the only way.

The actual racist vote is really freaking small. What Trump appeals to is the average american's annoyance at progressives penchant to support people who don't follow the rules over people who do.

Eh -- again, that's the con artist selling fantasy-monsters. Monsters of Mexican rapists and Muslim terrorists and a foreign President and protestors "ruining America" and economic rivals "laughing at us" and "because you'd be in jail" and "fire the sumbitches" and "the news media is the enemy" and on and on and on. That's what a political con artist does: divide and conquer. And in order to divide you need the subhuman monsters, and he's all too happy to create them.

As I just said --- baiting. It's what he does.

I disagree. to me elitist is thinking people owe you your authority by an almost god-given right, even if no god is involved. Did trump start at 3rd base? Yes. but he then went on around the bases 500 more times instead of just trotting home and being all happy about it.

And as far as narcissism goes I see Obama as far more narcissistic than Trump. Trump self aggrandizes as per PT Barnum, Obama to me believes in all the fluff that has been sent his way. His "oceans receding" comment was the indicator.

There are Mexican rapists. There are Muslim terrorists. They are symbols of the issue a lot of Americans have a problem with, untamed illegal immigration. Just because he doesn't express them in ways the hoi poloi find acceptable isn't his issue, its yours.

Progressives do the same thing, it's just you are OK with it because they boil you slow, instead of being all in your face.

And as for creating monsters, progressives do the same, from the gun holding redneck, to the evil non-gay wedding cake bakers, to anyone who doesn't feel like spending their money on taxes taxes and more taxes.

 

[martybegan]

No evidence exists that President of the United States Donald J.Trump is racist?

There is simply no hard evidence, but that has sadly never been required. The word is now used as a weapon, masquerading as a description.

At the same time, it cannot be denied that he has some supporters who are real life, butt-scratching, mouth-breathing racists.

This only makes it easier for the stretch to be made. Guilt by association is not exactly a new thing.
.

And people like Hillary have some supporters that are asshole communists, or at best, "democratic socialists"

Yup. And we would have seen the same guilt by association.

I don't know what this accomplishes, but it's par for the course.
.

For some on the left there is more than association. Most libertarians/conservatives don't want to BECOME racists/nazi/alt-rightists.

I have a feeling there are more democrats who sympathize with at least the democratic socialist views, big government, social government control, etc.

DeBlasio is a perfect example of this.

 

[Pogo]

Racism is an internal, mental activity. Without the ability to read minds, there is no way to "prove" that someone is racist.

You can usually make a safe assumption, based on words and actions. But that's not "proof".

No, it's actually quite easy because actual racists come out and say it.

One can be for every single position Trump holds and not be a racist for having those positions. That some of those positions overlap with actual racists is merely an attempt at guilt by association.

Kind of agree. Until either we can read minds or Rump comes out and says it directly (and being a known liar that's not worth much) we don't have the basis to know if Rump is a racist. Obviously he's an elitist but that's a broader scope than "racist".

But that's the wrong question anyway. Being a racist wouldn't win votes except from a racist fringe. But baiting the racists, with oblique and semi-oblique code words ("the best words") serves to bring them into one's camp without personally committing to racism. Hence "they're rapists" and "shut down Muslims" and "very fine people" and cue Pavlovian salivation, with plausible deniability.

Whether Rump is personally racist is kind of a moot point. Far more important is that he's a master baiter, as is any proficient con artist. I halfway want to guess that the OP doesn't know the crucial difference between racism and race baiting. The other possibility is he does know and is deliberately conflating to obscure the baiting, but I really don't think he has the intelligence to even figure that out.

I don't see him as an "elitist". He's a crass rich guy, but he also enjoys things normal people enjoy. Bad food, golf, crappy TV (at least making it if not watching it). I'd rather have a rich asshole running things who doesn't act like his shit don't stink than some well meaning snooty academic telling me what I SHOULD do with my life, what I SHOULD think, and if I don;t follow the rules sic government on me or browbeat me to death.

I don't mean by "elitist" somebody who has snobby tastes. I mean somebody who literally sees himself as a superior life form. Who carries the view that there's simply a set of societal castes and some are destined to be on the bottom while they, the elitist, are destined to be the --- well, the Elite. This was drummed into Rump from childhood by his father and clearly he bought the whole package. It appeals to his narcissism.

So racism is one way to express such an elitism -- but it's not the only way.

The actual racist vote is really freaking small. What Trump appeals to is the average american's annoyance at progressives penchant to support people who don't follow the rules over people who do.

Eh -- again, that's the con artist selling fantasy-monsters. Monsters of Mexican rapists and Muslim terrorists and a foreign President and protestors "ruining America" and economic rivals "laughing at us" and "because you'd be in jail" and "fire the sumbitches" and "the news media is the enemy" and on and on and on. That's what a political con artist does: divide and conquer. And in order to divide you need the subhuman monsters, and he's all too happy to create them.

As I just said --- baiting. It's what he does.

I disagree. to me elitist is thinking people owe you your authority by an almost god-given right, even if no god is involved. Did trump start at 3rd base? Yes. but he then went on around the bases 500 more times instead of just trotting home and being all happy about it.

Actually you can't disagree --- it's my term and ergo my definition. We all know Rump was born on third base, that's not the question. The issue when I say "elitist" is WHY he was born on third base --- and that reason is, in his mind, that he was fated to, because some classes are the elite and some are the untouchables, and he's the former. That's what he believes.

And as far as narcissism goes I see Obama as far more narcissistic than Trump. Trump self aggrandizes as per PT Barnum, Obama to me believes in all the fluff that has been sent his way. His "oceans receding" comment was the indicator.

If you can possibly claim to see any human on the face of the earth as out-narcissisming Rump, you got some heavy duty self-delusion going on. The man literally works on it in his every waking moment and spares no effort to let as many people as possible know it.

Just for one example as a contrast between the two --- a real narcissist can't handle a joke on himself.

The reference to "P.T. Barnum" is a big clue --- it's not a compliment. Rump has been called that by many, including his own sister.

There are Mexican rapists. There are Muslim terrorists. They are symbols of the issue a lot of Americans have a problem with, untamed illegal immigration. Just because he doesn't express them in ways the hoi poloi find acceptable isn't his issue, its yours.

Sure, and there are no doubt the occasional border jumpers, forgot to put that on the list. But none of them are honestly represented by the Orange Con. Portraying an ant-march of rapists that a wall will stop and cure everything isn't honest. Shutting down practitioners of a certain religion certainly isn't honest. Threatening the Constitution after vowing to protect it isn't honest. Etc etc etc. But what they all ARE is emotional hot buttons. Rationality is anathema to honest; and rationality is not what a con artist is after --- he wants emotion. And voilà. BAITING. The point hasn't changed.

Rump's own fraudulent operation put it candidly -- "you don't sell products, benefits or solutions --- you sell FEELINGS". That's exactly what he did --- sold feelings of paranoia and fear and loathing. And constantly fed (and still feeds) that fear and loathing with an endless parade of Emmanuel Goldstein monster-dolls to create division. Mexicans, Muslims, "Shitholes", NFL players, Democrats, Bob Corker, Lindsey Graham, the Chicago Cubs, protestors, the news, the weather, the rain....

Whether the style of expression is socially "acceptable" isn't really relevant either, at least not to me. Far more relevant is to see what the con artist is doing. See the manipulation. That's the main thing.

Progressives do the same thing, it's just you are OK with it because they boil you slow, instead of being all in your face.

Progressives have been gone for a hundred years. I tire of pointing this out.

And as for creating monsters, progressives do the same, from the gun holding redneck, to the evil non-gay wedding cake bakers, to anyone who doesn't feel like spending their money on taxes taxes and more taxes.

See above, but here you're deflecting to an entire class of vague people who, even if they did still exist, would be a plural. We were talking about a singular --- one (1) person. Not an entire class.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The Collected Quotes of Donald Trump on "the Blacks"

"“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”"

"“Laziness is a trait in blacks.”"

I forgot the second one. But I'm pleased to have got the first one dead-on correct from memory.

Cite the quote...back it up. Does not hold muster.

Not sure what "hold muster" means --- prolly something that belongs on a hot dog ---- but those are from a Rump biography. They're well known, not new, and Rump himself as affirmed that what's in the book is "probably true".

Oh and there was also back when the US Justice department filed suit against Rump and his father Fred Christ for their discrimination against blacks and Hispanics in their rental properties and in between depositions Rump the younger, the current POTUS, said to federal investigator Elyse Goldweber, "Now Elyse -- you don't want to live with them either".

Hmmm...this is borderline.
Obama: The White Man Has "Seen His World Upended By Economic, Culture And Technological Change"

Wait, you've managed to go off topic on your own fucking OP? Ridiculous. If you look at the title of the thread (that you actually wrote, wait, you're going to do a Trump and claim it was one of your aids that done it, or one of your hivs that done it, right?) it says "evidence trump is racist", not Obama.

You've switched because you've been found out.

It's a lame tactic in the first place, that you've used it so openly is just down right pathetic.

Has Trump made a speech directed at “The Black Man?” Obama did for “ White Man.” Read transcript.

I'm sure somebody's pointed this out, but the question of proving your premise that "Rump is a racist" does not involve anything about "Obama".

You dont know what hold muster means?
The more common phrase is pass muster but hold works as well.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Funny, anyone who has been watching Trump since he started running knows exactly who he is. There is not a shred of mystery.

Thanks for admitting Trump was never considered a racist until he ran as a Republican.

 

[martybegan]

No, it's actually quite easy because actual racists come out and say it.

One can be for every single position Trump holds and not be a racist for having those positions. That some of those positions overlap with actual racists is merely an attempt at guilt by association.

Kind of agree. Until either we can read minds or Rump comes out and says it directly (and being a known liar that's not worth much) we don't have the basis to know if Rump is a racist. Obviously he's an elitist but that's a broader scope than "racist".

But that's the wrong question anyway. Being a racist wouldn't win votes except from a racist fringe. But baiting the racists, with oblique and semi-oblique code words ("the best words") serves to bring them into one's camp without personally committing to racism. Hence "they're rapists" and "shut down Muslims" and "very fine people" and cue Pavlovian salivation, with plausible deniability.

Whether Rump is personally racist is kind of a moot point. Far more important is that he's a master baiter, as is any proficient con artist. I halfway want to guess that the OP doesn't know the crucial difference between racism and race baiting. The other possibility is he does know and is deliberately conflating to obscure the baiting, but I really don't think he has the intelligence to even figure that out.

I don't see him as an "elitist". He's a crass rich guy, but he also enjoys things normal people enjoy. Bad food, golf, crappy TV (at least making it if not watching it). I'd rather have a rich asshole running things who doesn't act like his shit don't stink than some well meaning snooty academic telling me what I SHOULD do with my life, what I SHOULD think, and if I don;t follow the rules sic government on me or browbeat me to death.

I don't mean by "elitist" somebody who has snobby tastes. I mean somebody who literally sees himself as a superior life form. Who carries the view that there's simply a set of societal castes and some are destined to be on the bottom while they, the elitist, are destined to be the --- well, the Elite. This was drummed into Rump from childhood by his father and clearly he bought the whole package. It appeals to his narcissism.

So racism is one way to express such an elitism -- but it's not the only way.

The actual racist vote is really freaking small. What Trump appeals to is the average american's annoyance at progressives penchant to support people who don't follow the rules over people who do.

Eh -- again, that's the con artist selling fantasy-monsters. Monsters of Mexican rapists and Muslim terrorists and a foreign President and protestors "ruining America" and economic rivals "laughing at us" and "because you'd be in jail" and "fire the sumbitches" and "the news media is the enemy" and on and on and on. That's what a political con artist does: divide and conquer. And in order to divide you need the subhuman monsters, and he's all too happy to create them.

As I just said --- baiting. It's what he does.

I disagree. to me elitist is thinking people owe you your authority by an almost god-given right, even if no god is involved. Did trump start at 3rd base? Yes. but he then went on around the bases 500 more times instead of just trotting home and being all happy about it.

Actually you can't disagree --- it's my term and ergo my definition. We all know Rump was born on third base, that's not the question. The issue when I say "elitist" is WHY he was born on third base --- and that reason is, in his mind, that he was fated to, because some classes are the elite and some are the untouchables, and he's the former. That's what he believes.

And as far as narcissism goes I see Obama as far more narcissistic than Trump. Trump self aggrandizes as per PT Barnum, Obama to me believes in all the fluff that has been sent his way. His "oceans receding" comment was the indicator.

If you can possibly claim to see any human on the face of the earth as out-narcissisming Rump, you got some heavy duty self-delusion going on. The man literally works on it in his every waking moment and spares no effort to let as many people as possible know it.

Just for one example as a contrast between the two --- a real narcissist can't handle a joke on himself.

The reference to "P.T. Barnum" is a big clue --- it's not a compliment. Rump has been called that by many, including his own sister.

There are Mexican rapists. There are Muslim terrorists. They are symbols of the issue a lot of Americans have a problem with, untamed illegal immigration. Just because he doesn't express them in ways the hoi poloi find acceptable isn't his issue, its yours.

Sure, and there are no doubt the occasional border jumpers, forgot to put that on the list. But none of them are honestly represented by the Orange Con. Portraying an ant-march of rapists that a wall will stop and cure everything isn't honest. Shutting down practitioners of a certain religion certainly isn't honest. Threatening the Constitution after vowing to protect it isn't honest. Etc etc etc. But what they all ARE is emotional hot buttons. Rationality is anathema to honest; and rationality is not what a con artist is after --- he wants emotion. And voilà. BAITING. The point hasn't changed.

Rump's own fraudulent operation put it candidly -- "you don't sell products, benefits or solutions --- you sell FEELINGS". That's exactly what he did --- sold feelings of paranoia and fear and loathing. And constantly fed (and still feeds) that fear and loathing with an endless parade of Emmanuel Goldstein monster-dolls to create division. Mexicans, Muslims, "Shitholes", NFL players, Democrats, Bob Corker, Lindsey Graham, the Chicago Cubs, protestors, the news, the weather, the rain....

Whether the style of expression is socially "acceptable" isn't really relevant either, at least not to me. Far more relevant is to see what the con artist is doing. See the manipulation. That's the main thing.

Progressives do the same thing, it's just you are OK with it because they boil you slow, instead of being all in your face.

Progressives have been gone for a hundred years. I tire of pointing this out.

And as for creating monsters, progressives do the same, from the gun holding redneck, to the evil non-gay wedding cake bakers, to anyone who doesn't feel like spending their money on taxes taxes and more taxes.

See above, but here you're deflecting to an entire class of vague people who, even if they did still exist, would be a plural. We were talking about a singular --- one (1) person. Not an entire class.

You don't own the term elitist. Talk about narcissism....Again you confuse blowhardness with narcissism. You confuse branding with narcissism. To me Obama truly believed he was destined to rule, to "fix" America. THAT is elitism and narcissism.

PT Barnum was a salesman, just like Trump. And so far a lot of people like what he's selling, AND what he's doing.

And he isn't selling these things as cure all's that you own bias showing, that you have to exaggerate his own exaggerations shows the depths of your own TDS.

And how is he "threatening the constitution"? By calling out obviously partisan journalists? When offices start getting raided get back to me.

He's got his boogeymen, the progressives have theirs. the difference is most progressive shoe-lickers don't get that.

The current crop of progressives are progressive statists. Just like names change for other things.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Racism is an internal, mental activity. Without the ability to read minds, there is no way to "prove" that someone is racist.

You can usually make a safe assumption, based on words and actions. But that's not "proof".

No, it's actually quite easy because actual racists come out and say it.

One can be for every single position Trump holds and not be a racist for having those positions. That some of those positions overlap with actual racists is merely an attempt at guilt by association.

Kind of agree. Until either we can read minds or Rump comes out and says it directly (and being a known liar that's not worth much) we don't have the basis to know if Rump is a racist. Obviously he's an elitist but that's a broader scope than "racist".

But that's the wrong question anyway. Being a racist wouldn't win votes except from a racist fringe. But baiting the racists, with oblique and semi-oblique code words ("the best words") serves to bring them into one's camp without personally committing to racism. Hence "they're rapists" and "shut down Muslims" and "very fine people" and cue Pavlovian salivation, with plausible deniability.

Whether Rump is personally racist is kind of a moot point. Far more important is that he's a master baiter, as is any proficient con artist. I halfway want to guess that the OP doesn't know the crucial difference between racism and race baiting. The other possibility is he does know and is deliberately conflating to obscure the baiting, but I really don't think he has the intelligence to even figure that out.

I don't see him as an "elitist". He's a crass rich guy, but he also enjoys things normal people enjoy. Bad food, golf, crappy TV (at least making it if not watching it). I'd rather have a rich asshole running things who doesn't act like his shit don't stink than some well meaning snooty academic telling me what I SHOULD do with my life, what I SHOULD think, and if I don;t follow the rules sic government on me or browbeat me to death.

I don't mean by "elitist" somebody who has snobby tastes. I mean somebody who literally sees himself as a superior life form. Who carries the view that there's simply a set of societal castes and some are destined to be on the bottom while they, the elitist, are destined to be the --- well, the Elite. This was drummed into Rump from childhood by his father and clearly he bought the whole package. It appeals to his narcissism.

So racism is one way to express such an elitism -- but it's not the only way.

The actual racist vote is really freaking small. What Trump appeals to is the average american's annoyance at progressives penchant to support people who don't follow the rules over people who do.

Eh -- again, that's the con artist selling fantasy-monsters. Monsters of Mexican rapists and Muslim terrorists and a foreign President and protestors "ruining America" and economic rivals "laughing at us" and "because you'd be in jail" and "fire the sumbitches" and "the news media is the enemy" and on and on and on. That's what a political con artist does: divide and conquer. And in order to divide you need the subhuman monsters, and he's all too happy to create them.

As I just said --- baiting. It's what he does.

When you're successful thinking highly of yourself is natural.
I know I think very highly of myself.

 

[Pete7469]

10 pages, still not a single shred of evidence Trump is a racist.

 

[Mac1958]

No evidence exists that President of the United States Donald J.Trump is racist?

There is simply no hard evidence, but that has sadly never been required. The word is now used as a weapon, masquerading as a description.

At the same time, it cannot be denied that he has some supporters who are real life, butt-scratching, mouth-breathing racists.

This only makes it easier for the stretch to be made. Guilt by association is not exactly a new thing.
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And people like Hillary have some supporters that are asshole communists, or at best, "democratic socialists"

Yup. And we would have seen the same guilt by association.

I don't know what this accomplishes, but it's par for the course.
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For some on the left there is more than association. Most libertarians/conservatives don't want to BECOME racists/nazi/alt-rightists.

I have a feeling there are more democrats who sympathize with at least the democratic socialist views, big government, social government control, etc.

DeBlasio is a perfect example of this.

Yeah, I can agree with that. And they became far more emboldened when Obama was elected.
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[martybegan]

No evidence exists that President of the United States Donald J.Trump is racist?

There is simply no hard evidence, but that has sadly never been required. The word is now used as a weapon, masquerading as a description.

At the same time, it cannot be denied that he has some supporters who are real life, butt-scratching, mouth-breathing racists.

This only makes it easier for the stretch to be made. Guilt by association is not exactly a new thing.
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And people like Hillary have some supporters that are asshole communists, or at best, "democratic socialists"

Yup. And we would have seen the same guilt by association.

I don't know what this accomplishes, but it's par for the course.
.

For some on the left there is more than association. Most libertarians/conservatives don't want to BECOME racists/nazi/alt-rightists.

I have a feeling there are more democrats who sympathize with at least the democratic socialist views, big government, social government control, etc.

DeBlasio is a perfect example of this.

Yeah, I can agree with that. And they became far more emboldened when Obama was elected.
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I have a cousin who is a hard core Democratic Socialist. He's also a retired professor of History, and a former communist. He's intelligent, lucid, and has no idea why people don't understand his ideas, or willingly follow them.

On the other hand his daughter is a full blown Anti-fa type, and not as smart as her father.

 

[Mac1958]

There is simply no hard evidence, but that has sadly never been required. The word is now used as a weapon, masquerading as a description.

At the same time, it cannot be denied that he has some supporters who are real life, butt-scratching, mouth-breathing racists.

This only makes it easier for the stretch to be made. Guilt by association is not exactly a new thing.
.

And people like Hillary have some supporters that are asshole communists, or at best, "democratic socialists"

Yup. And we would have seen the same guilt by association.

I don't know what this accomplishes, but it's par for the course.
.

For some on the left there is more than association. Most libertarians/conservatives don't want to BECOME racists/nazi/alt-rightists.

I have a feeling there are more democrats who sympathize with at least the democratic socialist views, big government, social government control, etc.

DeBlasio is a perfect example of this.

Yeah, I can agree with that. And they became far more emboldened when Obama was elected.
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I have a cousin who is a hard core Democratic Socialist. He's also a retired professor of History, and a former communist. He's intelligent, lucid, and has no idea why people don't understand his ideas, or willingly follow them.

On the other hand his daughter is a full blown Anti-fa type, and not as smart as her father.

An ideology can infect and distort the perceptions and thought processes of perfectly intelligent people.

That's how powerful it is, and why it needs to be avoided.

It's a lifestyle virus, something we bring on ourselves, not unlike herpes.
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