Charles Koch: Clinton could be better president than a GOP pick

[Wilbur Right]

Because idiots don't seem to comprehend... RECESSIONS are like large ships.. it takes miles to turn one...i.e. so does a "RECESSION"...
it doesn't just start the day NBER states... it is a slow degradation and it started under CLINTON!!!
Source: USATODAY.com - It's official: 2001 recession only

Make sure you remind republicans that recessions and spending commitments don't end when a new president takes office.

 

[Liminal]

If he fails to support the GOP, he, in effect, supports Clinton.

Wrong again. Trump doesn't want his money so it makes absolutely no difference. Try again.

I wonder what Donald Trump intends to do about the corrupting influence of money in politics? My guess would be nothing.

 

[CowboyTed]

This is hilarious. Libs are now fondling themselves over the possibility of the kochs supporting the hillary.

ahh, No we are not...

We are just having a good laugh that the RW nutjobs can't even stay on the one boat...

The thing is the RW would normally piss on an American or America to get there way... Koch just decided not to piss on America everyday, he just took a rest..

 

[Freewill]

So go ahead vote for the candidate that the Koch brothers think would be the best for THEM. Funny how Dems change sides so easily.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

This is hilarious. Libs are now fondling themselves over the possibility of the kochs supporting the hillary.

ahh, No we are not...

We are just having a good laugh that the RW nutjobs can't even stay on the one boat...

The thing is the RW would normally piss on an American or America to get there way... Koch just decided not to piss on America everyday, he just took a rest..

O has been shitting on americans for 8 years now.

 

[The Irish Ram]

.

Uh-oh, now what?


Clinton could be better president than a GOP pick: Charles Koch
Apr 24, 2016

US Republican Party’s biggest donor Charles Koch says “it’s possible” that Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton could make a better president than the remaining GOP candidates based on the example set by her husband’s years in the White House.

In an interview with ABC News to air on Sunday, when asked whether it's possible that another Clinton could be better than another Republican, Koch responded, "It's possible. It's possible."

He added that he believes Bill Clinton was a better president "in some ways" than George W. Bush.

"In other ways, I mean [Bill Clinton] wasn't an exemplar. But as far as the growth of government, the increase in spending, It was 2.5 times [more] under Bush than it was under Clinton," Koch said.

In his interview, Koch noted that is a result of his disgust with the rhetoric in the Republican primary, and he even suggested Clinton could be a better choice for the country than the remaining crop of GOP candidates.

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The brothers have contributed heavily to conservative campaigns and think tanks. They are among the best-known Republican donors, and potential GOP candidates court their favor.

The Kochs spent some $400 million on US politics in 2015 and are planning to cash out about $900 million to shape this year’s presidential election.

Will the Koch's support Hillary monetarily or will they cut off funds to Republicans or...?

.

I doubt they're funding Donald Trump or Ted Cruz. Why would anyone throw money at a certain loss.

So 400 million for Romney doesn't count?

 

[Brain357]

AND NOTHING like These events have occurred during Obama's bumbling!
Remember Recession... Dot.com bust....9/11.... worst hurricanes in history...and you ignorantly call Bush a DISASTER?

Go start a new thread if you want to claim bush was great, should get some good laughs. Bush was a disaster, even repubs admit it now. Jeb was laughed out of the running. The leading repub candidate is a bush basher. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[healthmyths]

Because idiots don't seem to comprehend... RECESSIONS are like large ships.. it takes miles to turn one...i.e. so does a "RECESSION"...
it doesn't just start the day NBER states... it is a slow degradation and it started under CLINTON!!!
Source: USATODAY.com - It's official: 2001 recession only

Make sure you remind republicans that recessions and spending commitments don't end when a new president takes office.

Absolutely right!
Case in point!

YET in SPITE of:
a) 400,000 jobs lost due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita ,
b) 2,800,000 jobs lost in alone due to 9/11,
c) 300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts... In spite of nearly $8 trillion in lost businesses, market values, destroyed property..
LOOK at these DEFICITS! IN SPITE of that:
2002 $157.8 billion deficit.. also 9/11 occurred and tax revenues lowered for years later due to dot.com/9-11 losses against revenue.
2003 $377.6 billion deficit.. BRAND new cabinet Homeland Security, plus loans made to businesses.. again tax revenues down..affect of 9/11
2004 $412.7 billion deficit.. Revenues up by 5.5% spending increased and economy getting back.
2005 $318.3 billion deficit.. revenues up by 14.5% deficit decreasing at rate of 22%
2006 $248.2 billion deficit.. revenues up by 11.7% deficit decrease 22%
2007 $160.7 billion deficit.. revenues up by 6.7% deficit decrease 35%
2008 $458.6 billion deficit.. revenues down and deficit INCREASED TARP loan mostly...
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=20

The last Bush 2008 showed DEFICIT Ballooning! Why TARP loan....

BUT GUESS WHAT???
Obama benefited by the following:
TARP was paid back PLUS it made $56 Billion profit!
And all this money flowed back to the government. Loans repaid BUT Obama benefited...
YET Obama spent this AND MORE with NONE of the attendant EVENTS that occurred during Bush administration!

Per this government web site: Historical Tables

 

[BlueGin]

Hmm, Koch Brothers prefer Hillary over Trump and suddenly they're good guys. Anybody surprised at the sudden turnabout?

No. Typical of the left.

 

[S.J.]

If he fails to support the GOP, he, in effect, supports Clinton.

Wrong again. Trump doesn't want his money so it makes absolutely no difference. Try again.

I wonder what Donald Trump intends to do about the corrupting influence of money in politics? My guess would be nothing.

The key word there is "guess".

 

[Liminal]

If he fails to support the GOP, he, in effect, supports Clinton.

Wrong again. Trump doesn't want his money so it makes absolutely no difference. Try again.

I wonder what Donald Trump intends to do about the corrupting influence of money in politics? My guess would be nothing.

The key word there is "guess".

Wrong. The key word there is "nothing".

 

[healthmyths]

AND NOTHING like These events have occurred during Obama's bumbling!
Remember Recession... Dot.com bust....9/11.... worst hurricanes in history...and you ignorantly call Bush a DISASTER?

Go start a new thread if you want to claim bush was great, should get some good laughs. Bush was a disaster, even repubs admit it now. Jeb was laughed out of the running. The leading repub candidate is a bush basher. Stop embarrassing yourself.

So why don't you use the INTERNET to prove these STATEMENTS WRONG?
BECAUSE YOU CAN"T!
Again... THESE EVENTS occurred that have never occurred in any Presidency.
PLEASE tell the millions of people affected by these events that they NEVER OCCURRED!
Recession??
Are you aware that a recession started under Clinton and became official 3/01 ended 11/01?
Because idiots don't seem to comprehend... RECESSIONS are like large ships.. it takes miles to turn one...i.e. so does a "RECESSION"...
it doesn't just start the day NBER states... it is a slow degradation and it started under CLINTON!!!
Source: USATODAY.com - It's official: 2001 recession only lasted eight months

A Major $8 trillion market loss
Are you aware that the dot.com bust occurred and cost $8 trillion in losses?
Again Clinton laid claim BUT someone had to pay and it occurred during Bush's first year!
$8 trillion in market losses MEAN lost tax revenue.
PLUS JOBS!!!!
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $8 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies.
More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 -
and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
Source: The dot-com bubble: How to lose $5 trillion

The worst attacks on the USA in History.. 3,000 deaths!!!
Obviously most of you are UNAWARE 9/11 cost 3,000 lives, $2 trillion in lost businesses,market values assets.
Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 JUST in New York.
Are you aware this happened???

Now before you idiots say "well Bush should have known"! DUMMIES... ever hear of the Gorelick Memo signed under CLINTON??
Gorelick Memo that created the wall between FBI & CIA thus no knowledge of the 9/11 bombers shared with the FBI!!!
Looks especially imprudent 10 years later.
Because the memo created a barrier for U.S. intelligence agencies to share information with the FBI, one of its unintended consequences may have been to prevent the FBI from receiving the necessary intelligence to stop the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, the worst in American history.
Gorelick Memo Allegedly Impeded Probe of Clinton Fundraising Scandal
1995 memo [Clinton presidency-concerned about Chinese election sales] Gorelick wrote, stated explicitly that they would “go beyond what is legally required, [to] prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation.” GORELICK Memo!
Here read what NOT my words but other sources:
Jamie Gorelick’s wall barred anti-terror investigators from accessing the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker, already in custody on an immigration violation shortly before 9/11.
At the time, an enraged FBI investigator wrote a prophetic memo to headquarters about the wall.
Whatever has happened to this — someday someone will die — and wall or not — the public will not understand why we were not more effective in throwing every resource we had at certain problems…..especially since the biggest threat to us UBL [Usama bin Laden], is getting the most protection.
So, a year before the 9/11 attacks, a special unit in the U.S. military was aware of the presence of an al-Queda cell in Brooklyn, New York, and sought to share its information with the FBI but was stopped cold.Why?Because (as described in the April 16, 2004 Washington Times piece) “on March 4, 1995, [Jamie Gorelick, the then number 2 official in the Clinton Justice Department, sent a 4-page directive] to FBI Director Louis Freeh and Mary Jo White, the New York-based U.S. attorney investigating the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
In the memo, Ms. Gorelick ordered Mr. Freeh and Ms. White to follow information-sharing procedures that ‘go beyond what is legally required,’ in order to avoid ‘any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance’ that the Justice Department was using Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants, instead of ordinary criminal investigative procedures, in an effort to undermine the civil liberties of terrorism suspects.”
Could 9/11 Have Been Prevented? The Gorelick Memo and What We Knew

Year 2001: September 11 Terrorist Attacks
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were the events that helped shape other financial events of the decade. After that terrible day in September 2001, our economic climate was never to be the same again. It was only the third time in history that the New York Stock Exchange was shut down for a period of time. In this case, it was closed from September 10 - 17. Besides the tragic human loss of that day, the economic loss cannot even be estimated. Some estimate that there was over $60 billion in insurance losses alone. Airlines didn't fly for 3 days!
Approximately 18,000 small businesses were either displaced or destroyed in Lower Manhattan after the Twin Towers fell. There was a buildup in homeland security on all levels. 9/11 caused a catastrophic financial loss for the U.S.
Source: 10 Events That Rocked the Financial World

Anthrax Attacks...
The 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States, also known as Amerithrax from its Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) case name, occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on Tuesday, September 18, 2001, one week after the September 11 attacks. Letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to several news media offices and two DemocraticU.S. Senators, killing five people and infecting 17 others.

$1 trillion in losses due to the WORST Hurricane SEASONS in history.
The worst, Katrina made landfall in Louisiana as a Category 3 in 2005. It took 1,836 lives and caused $81.2 billion in damages. It quickly became the biggest natural disaster in U.S. history, almost destroying New Orleans due to severe flooding.
Rank Disaster Year Deaths Damage* $250 Billion in damages in the 8 disasters of the top 15 disasters in history!
1. Hurricane Katrina (LA/MS/AL/FL) 2005 1833 $133,800,000,000
6. Hurricane Ike (TX/LA/MS) 2008 112 $27,000,000,000
7. Hurricane Wilma (FL) 2005 35 $17,100,000,000
8. Hurricane Rita (TX/LA) 2005 119 $17,100,000,000
9. Hurricane Charley (FL) 2004 35 $16,500,000,000
12. Midwest Floods 2008 24 $15,000,000,000
13. Hurricane Ivan (FL/AL) 2004 57 $13,000,000,000
14. 30-State Drought 2002 0 $11,400,000,000
Costliest U.S. Weather Disasters | Weather Underground

THESE events OCCURRED!
YET in SPITE of:
a) 400,000 jobs lost due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita ,
b) 2,800,000 jobs lost in alone due to 9/11,
c) 300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts... In spite of nearly $8 trillion in lost businesses, market values, destroyed property..

IN SPITE of the above:
2002 $157.8 billion deficit.. also 9/11 occurred and tax revenues lowered for years later due to dot.com/9-11 losses against revenue.
2003 $377.6 billion deficit.. BRAND new cabinet Homeland Security, plus loans made to businesses.. again tax revenues down..affect of 9/11
2004 $412.7 billion deficit.. Revenues up by 5.5% spending increased and economy getting back.
2005 $318.3 billion deficit.. revenues up by 14.5% deficit decreasing at rate of 22%
2006 $248.2 billion deficit.. revenues up by 11.7% deficit decrease 22%
2007 $160.7 billion deficit.. revenues up by 6.7% deficit decrease 35%
2008 $458.6 billion deficit.. revenues down and deficit INCREASED TARP loan mostly...
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=20

AFTER the tax cuts Federal Tax REVENUES Increased an average of 9.78% per year!!!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historical

OH and yea how about THESE EVENTS that no other President ever experienced: 1) Dot.com bust-- 2) 9/11 3) Worst hurricane SEASONS...All of which made these numbers worse BUT still there was growth!!!
http://www.bea.gov/National/index.htm
Average annual growth over 8 years 2.9% IN Spite of all the events AND if the housing bubble caused by the below people hadn't occurred it would have
been: 4.4% compared to what now???
2001 2.3% increase
2002 2.4%
2003 6.8%
2004 6.4%
2005 5.4%
2006 4.6%
2007 3.2%
2008 -7.7%

Failure to heed GWB warnings about the potential housing bust!
GWB's administration was LAUGHED AT BY Democrats Frank and Dodd after 17 times trying to get Fannie/Freddie fixed!
"Over the past six years, the President and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of failure to reform GSEs but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties.
President Bush publicly called for GSE reform at least 17 times in 2008 alone before Congress acted.

Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President's repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems.
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/12/20081221-2.html

Many prominent Democrats, including House Finance Chairman Barney Frank, opposed any legislation correcting the risks posed by GSEs.
* House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-MA) criticized
the President's warning saying:
"these two entities - Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - are not facing any kind of financial crisis .
The more people exaggerate these problems,
the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."...
(Stephen Labaton, "New Agency Proposed To Oversee Freddie Mac And Fannie Mae," New York Times, 9/11/03)

* Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd also ignored the President's warnings and
called on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze
Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," New York Times, 8/11/07)

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/sam-dealey/2008/09/10/barney-franks-fannie-and-freddie-muddle


ONCE again I'm asking you idiot Bush bashers to prove the above statements WRONG! REFUTE the FACTS that
1) a recession started under Clinton.
2) dot.com bust started under Clinton cost $8 trillion market losses, lost jobs!
3) Clinton's Gorelick Memo prevented the CIA from Warning the FBI about 9/11.
4) 9/11 occurred
5) Anthrax attacks happened right after 9/11
6) Worst hurricane SEASONS in history occurred


Please refute these events occurred and in doing so prove these cataclysmic events didn't occur and didn't affect the country. Prove me wrong!

 

[healthmyths]

TELL ME THE ABOVE EVENTS NEVER HAPPENED! TELL ME THEY HAD NO AFFECT ON AMERICA'S ECONOMY AND AMERICANS!
PLEASE TELL ME AND THE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS THAT WERE AFFECTED!

 

[S.J.]

If he fails to support the GOP, he, in effect, supports Clinton.

Wrong again. Trump doesn't want his money so it makes absolutely no difference. Try again.

I wonder what Donald Trump intends to do about the corrupting influence of money in politics? My guess would be nothing.

The key word there is "guess".

Wrong. The key word there is "nothing".

Wrong, the key word there is "idiot", as in "Liminal".

 

[healthmyths]

NO ONE? NOT ONE of you REFUTE THAT THE ABOVE EVENTS occurred?
SO if they did occur, would someone explain to me how GWB CAUSED those events to happen?
Prove to me the GWB planned a recession to start in his first year!
Prove to me that GWB caused the dot.com bust that cost $8 Trillion and hundreds of thousands of jobs which MEANT LOST tax revenue! Please explain!
Prove to me that 9/11 didn't occur. That 3,000 people didn't die in two attacks on American cities costing $1 trillion and thousands of jobs as well as taxes!
Prove to me that the Anthrax attacks right after 9/11 didn't occur and that EVEN YOU idiots had second thoughts when you opened an unknown envelope!
Prove to me the WORST SEASONS for hurricanes ...not just hurricanes occurred caused 2,215 lives lost and over $300 billion destruction
Prove to me these events NEVER Occurred and much less had cost LOST TAX REVENUE, Lost jobs, destroyed businesses.
Please prove to me and millions of others that those events never happened AND had NO AFFECT on America and Americans!

 

[Esmeralda]

This is impossible. The left has been screaming about the Kosh's for decades. Now a Kosh is supporting Hilliary. Well doesn't that make the left look stupid. Are the Kosh's still supporting all that is evil in the land? Or was all your BS about the Kosh brothers, all crap after all?

It doesn't make the left look stupid at all.
Read the article. Clinton has rejected his support.

 

[Esmeralda]

Why don't those brothers just dry up, what do they do drink blood of something?

This proves Trump is killing the GOP....

Why, because for the first time in 100 years we finally have a candidate who isn't owned by big corporations? Apparently you think being a puppet is a good thing.

Apparently you think being a moron is a good thing.

 

[Esmeralda]

Why don't those brothers just dry up, what do they do drink blood of something?

This proves Trump is killing the GOP....

Why, because for the first time in 100 years we finally have a candidate who isn't owned by big corporations? Apparently you think being a puppet is a good thing.

The GOP totally divided. Koch knows what Trump is about to do to the GOP. He is sending a strong signal that he is not part of the disaster that is about to unfold in the REPUBLICAN PARTY.

The GOP is nothing more than an extension of the Democratic Party. It's ALREADY a disaster, and the only signal being sent by Koch is that they won't support anyone they can't control.

 

[Kondor3]

Why don't those brothers just dry up, what do they do drink blood of something?

This proves Trump is killing the GOP....

That's OK.

The GOP needs to be gutted and rebuilt, anyway.

America needs a Party of the Common Man.

The Democrats stopped being that party decades ago.

Time for the Grand Old Party to return to its Populist roots.

Something that it lost, the better part of a century ago, and that America is only just now figuring-out.

This is NOT about a dying Conservatism...

This is about preserving a few salient points from that dying mindset, and incorporating those into a Populist agenda, as the Grand Old Party reclaims its name.

The Gordian Knot within the Republican Party needs to be hacked apart, and an Insider cannot be the one to do it.

Time to press the Reset Button on the GOP, and sit back and watch the fun, as LibTards start shitting their pants and losing elections on a very large scale.

 

[Esmeralda]

This is hilarious. Libs are now fondling themselves over the possibility of the kochs supporting the hillary.

No they are not, and Clinton has rejected Koch support. Read the whole article.