Ray From Cleveland
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He wasn't murdered in the police car, was he?
Apparently he was dying in the police car before they pulled him out. If he was murdered, it was by himself, not the police officer.
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He wasn't murdered in the police car, was he?
Please tell us how you know he was dying in the car. Have you not seen that Chauvin was convicted of murdering him.Apparently he was dying in the police car before they pulled him out. If he was murdered, it was by himself, not the police officer.
Please tell us how you know he was dying in the car. Have you not seen that Chauvin was convicted of murdering him.
I know what he was convicted of and I also know that the trial was unconstitutional. I just told you he was having breathing problems sitting in the police cruiser and you ask me how I know he was dying? He had three times the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. He had that mixed with meth. He had serious heart and artery problems, he even had Covid.
I’m curious. How was the trial unconstitutional?
Yeah, I'll wait for your credible evidence the NRA had anything to do with the federal backgrounds check. You should think out your lies better if you are going to post them because you know somebody is going to call you out on them.
This slug still pays property and city tax and also obeys our laws. Show me one area that was ever destroyed by people who ended up on disability. Again, think out your lies. If you can't, it's probably one of the many disorders that plague your life because you won't get psychological help for them.
They'd probably let me go back to work. What makes you think Republicans would not have programs to help people who can't work?
The US Constitution guarantees citizens a speedy trail by an unbiased jury. There was no possible way that jury wasn't biased given where the trial was held. Only those with a preconceived opinion would accept a position on that jury in fear of their safety and life if they voted anything but guilty.
What Article of the Constitution was violated?I know what he was convicted of and I also know that the trial was unconstitutional.
You know this how, Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson told you that.I just told you he was having breathing problems sitting in the police cruiser and you ask me how I know he was dying?
Please post the medical record stating that fact.He had three times the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. He had that mixed with meth. He had serious heart and artery problems, he even had Covid.
The US Constitution guarantees citizens a speedy trail by an unbiased jury. There was no possible way that jury wasn't biased given where the trial was held. Only those with a preconceived opinion would accept a position on that jury in fear of their safety and life if they voted anything but guilty.
SavannahMann I agree with most of what you said except for OJ. That was jury nullification. The "Dream Team" didn't do a great job, you just simply had a jury that was pre-disposed to acquit because of Simpson's celebrity (We do love our celebrities in this country), anger over other LAPD misconduct, and fear of more riots if he was convicted. (They were only a couple years away from the King Riots.)
Clark and Darden did some dumb-ass things. So did Cochrane and Shapiro. (Shapiro pretty much tried to throw OJ under the bus at every opportunity.)
Chauvin wasn’t convicted because of Bias, but because the Prosecution was able to focus the spotlight on Chauvin’s own actions and the ton of video that proved it.
Chauvin would almost certainly have been convicted anywhere in the State.
I don't think so which is why they didn't move the trial to another part of the state which they could have done. If they moved it to an area where the jurors were not prejudiced in the case nor felt threatened, it would likely have led to a different outcome. At the most, he might have gotten a manslaughter conviction.
The suspect was in terrible physical shape and it's clear on all videos how tanked up he was. While kneeling on the neck of the suspect was not part of their department policy, it's been used all across the country with no problems and taught in some police academies. I used to be an avid fan of the long running show C.O.P.S. I must have seen every episode in their 30 or so year run of the show.
All that aside, it's still clear to me the trial was unconstitutional because Chauvin was not afforded the constitutional right of being judged by an unbiased jury. That trial should have been moved to a small town somewhere that the animals wouldn't take the time to travel to in order to intimidate the jurors.
I don't think so which is why they didn't move the trial to another part of the state which they could have done. If they moved it to an area where the jurors were not prejudiced in the case nor felt threatened, it would likely have led to a different outcome. At the most, he might have gotten a manslaughter conviction.
The suspect was in terrible physical shape and it's clear on all videos how tanked up he was. While kneeling on the neck of the suspect was not part of their department policy, it's been used all across the country with no problems and taught in some police academies. I used to be an avid fan of the long running show C.O.P.S. I must have seen every episode in their 30 or so year run of the show.
All that aside, it's still clear to me the trial was unconstitutional because Chauvin was not afforded the constitutional right of being judged by an unbiased jury. That trial should have been moved to a small town somewhere that the animals wouldn't take the time to travel to in order to intimidate the jurors.
So now we have dealt with the policy. We are left with what would happen in other jurisdictions.
The same trial would have taken place in those other jurisdictions. No Coroner would have sat on the chair and sworn that Floyd died from an overdose. All three coroners would have said that it was Homicide from the actions of Officer Chauvin. Exactly as they said in the original trial. So nothing would have changed there.
The argument about Policy would have gone down exactly the same, so Chauvin who was responsible for the death would have still been violating policy. A fact you now admit.
That leaves reasonable. Now, your argument is that this notional jury in a small town somewhere would have decided that despite the fact that it violated policy, and clearly led to the death of Floyd, that it was reasonable to kneel on his back for minutes after no pulse was found.
I don’t think so. The only way you could feel it was reasonable is something that @LibertyKid mentioned. There was a good guy.
I suspect, and it is a suspicion not a belief, that you believe anyone who stands up to or tries to stop a bad guy is automatically good. There were no good guys that day. Floyd was a bad guy. But so was Chauvin.
There was no way Chauvin was not going to be found guilty. If he had been acquitted all hell would have broke loose.
No, I never said that all cops are good guys. In fact one of the stories in our news today was a cop in one of our suburbs that was busted with pictures of nude teenage girls.
In any case, the standard instructions to a jury are that a guilty verdict must be without a reasonable doubt. I think the fact he was crying he couldn't breathe while sitting upright in the police car, the fact he had three times the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system mixed with meth, a bad heart, clogged arteries is what I would consider reasonable doubt of what he died from if I were a juror.
Murder is the intent to kill, and I have no reason to believe that Chauvin deliberately killed this lowlife. It was accidental which in any court of law is manslaughter at the most. And again I reiterate that this trial was conducted without Chauvin's constitutional right to an unbiased jury. Now if they moved the trial away from the city to an area where a fair trial could be heard, I would agree with any decision an unbiased jury came to. Maybe Chauvin isn't a nice guy, I don't know, but he's still a citizen deserving of his rights no matter what I or anybody else thinks of him or what he did.
Oh I agree 100% that he is deserving of every single right. I don’t think that the trial would have had a different outcome in a different area. I believe that the Jury was as unbiased as could be expected anywhere in the state.
The defense attorney for the former Minneapolis police officer convicted of killing George Floyd has requested a new trial, saying the court abused its discretion