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Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry gun permit applications surge - Washington Times

"Since Illinois started granting concealed carry permits this year, the number of robberies that have led to arrests in Chicago has declined 20 percent from last year, according to police department statistics. Reports of burglary and motor vehicle theft are down 20 percent and 26 percent, respectively. In the first quarter, the city’s homicide rate was at a 56-year low.

“It isn’t any coincidence crime rates started to go down when concealed carry was permitted. Just the idea that the criminals don’t know who’s armed and who isn’t has a deterrence effect,” said Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association. “The police department hasn’t changed a single tactic — they haven’t announced a shift in policy or of course — and yet you have these incredible numbers.”"


No surprise.

"“An armed society,” Nedivi wrote, quoting the science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein, “is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” It may be a bit odd to think of Israeli society as polite, but when it comes to guns it is, and for just the reason articulated by Heinlein: When everyone has a gun, guns are no longer seen as talismans by weak, frightened, and unstable men seeking a sense of self-validation, but as killing machines that are to be handled with the utmost caution and care.

***

If the United States, itself awash with weapons, wishes to benefit from Israel’s experience, it must make sure it learns the right lessons. The first and most universal one is that ever more stringent gun control is bad policy: As is the case with drugs, as was the case with liquor during Prohibition, the strict banning of anything does little but push the market underground into the hands of criminals and thugs. Rather than spend fortunes and ruin lives in a futile attempt to eradicate every last trigger in America, we would do well to follow Israel’s example and educate gun owners about their rights and responsibilities, so as to foster a culture of sensible and mindful gun ownership."
The U.S. Should Emulate Israel's Gun Culture
 
Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry gun permit applications surge - Washington Times

"Since Illinois started granting concealed carry permits this year, the number of robberies that have led to arrests in Chicago has declined 20 percent from last year, according to police department statistics. Reports of burglary and motor vehicle theft are down 20 percent and 26 percent, respectively. In the first quarter, the city’s homicide rate was at a 56-year low.

“It isn’t any coincidence crime rates started to go down when concealed carry was permitted. Just the idea that the criminals don’t know who’s armed and who isn’t has a deterrence effect,” said Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association. “The police department hasn’t changed a single tactic — they haven’t announced a shift in policy or of course — and yet you have these incredible numbers.”"


No surprise.

"“An armed society,” Nedivi wrote, quoting the science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein, “is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” It may be a bit odd to think of Israeli society as polite, but when it comes to guns it is, and for just the reason articulated by Heinlein: When everyone has a gun, guns are no longer seen as talismans by weak, frightened, and unstable men seeking a sense of self-validation, but as killing machines that are to be handled with the utmost caution and care.

***

If the United States, itself awash with weapons, wishes to benefit from Israel’s experience, it must make sure it learns the right lessons. The first and most universal one is that ever more stringent gun control is bad policy: As is the case with drugs, as was the case with liquor during Prohibition, the strict banning of anything does little but push the market underground into the hands of criminals and thugs. Rather than spend fortunes and ruin lives in a futile attempt to eradicate every last trigger in America, we would do well to follow Israel’s example and educate gun owners about their rights and responsibilities, so as to foster a culture of sensible and mindful gun ownership."
The U.S. Should Emulate Israel's Gun Culture

You realize that is an old article and crime has exploded this year?
 
Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry gun permit applications surge - Washington Times

"Since Illinois started granting concealed carry permits this year, the number of robberies that have led to arrests in Chicago has declined 20 percent from last year, according to police department statistics. Reports of burglary and motor vehicle theft are down 20 percent and 26 percent, respectively. In the first quarter, the city’s homicide rate was at a 56-year low.

“It isn’t any coincidence crime rates started to go down when concealed carry was permitted. Just the idea that the criminals don’t know who’s armed and who isn’t has a deterrence effect,” said Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association. “The police department hasn’t changed a single tactic — they haven’t announced a shift in policy or of course — and yet you have these incredible numbers.”"


No surprise.

"“An armed society,” Nedivi wrote, quoting the science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein, “is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” It may be a bit odd to think of Israeli society as polite, but when it comes to guns it is, and for just the reason articulated by Heinlein: When everyone has a gun, guns are no longer seen as talismans by weak, frightened, and unstable men seeking a sense of self-validation, but as killing machines that are to be handled with the utmost caution and care.

***
If the United States, itself awash with weapons, wishes to benefit from Israel’s experience, it must make sure it learns the right lessons. The first and most universal one is that ever more stringent gun control is bad policy: As is the case with drugs, as was the case with liquor during Prohibition, the strict banning of anything does little but push the market underground into the hands of criminals and thugs. Rather than spend fortunes and ruin lives in a futile attempt to eradicate every last trigger in America, we would do well to follow Israel’s example and educate gun owners about their rights and responsibilities, so as to foster a culture of sensible and mindful gun ownership."
The U.S. Should Emulate Israel's Gun Culture

You realize that is an old article and crime has exploded this year?
that would make them do a little more research and you know how lazy republicans are when it comes to research...
 
Meanwhile, Chicago has seen a roughly 20 percent increase in shootings and homicides so far this year compared with the same period in 2014. That included a July 4 weekend that left 48 people shot, including a 7-year-old boy who police say was killed by a shot intended for his father, described as a "ranking gang member" by officers.

Chicago's anti-violence programs end as shootings increase
 
Where does most gun-crime occur?

1. inner-city ghettoes
2. civilized parts of those cities
3. suburbs
4. countryside

Amongst whom does most gun-crime occur?

1. whites
2. minorities

What is the legal ownership standing of most firearms used to commit gun-crimes?

1. legally acquired
2. illegally acquired

In the 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions in the country, are the local gun-control laws best defined as...

1. strict
2. loose

In those same 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions, what percentage of those jurisdictions are governed locally by...

1. Democrats
2. Republicans

================================

The answers to those questions should prove quite revealing.
 
Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry gun permit applications surge - Washington Times

"Since Illinois started granting concealed carry permits this year, the number of robberies that have led to arrests in Chicago has declined 20 percent from last year, according to police department statistics. Reports of burglary and motor vehicle theft are down 20 percent and 26 percent, respectively. In the first quarter, the city’s homicide rate was at a 56-year low.

“It isn’t any coincidence crime rates started to go down when concealed carry was permitted. Just the idea that the criminals don’t know who’s armed and who isn’t has a deterrence effect,” said Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association. “The police department hasn’t changed a single tactic — they haven’t announced a shift in policy or of course — and yet you have these incredible numbers.”"


No surprise.

"“An armed society,” Nedivi wrote, quoting the science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein, “is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” It may be a bit odd to think of Israeli society as polite, but when it comes to guns it is, and for just the reason articulated by Heinlein: When everyone has a gun, guns are no longer seen as talismans by weak, frightened, and unstable men seeking a sense of self-validation, but as killing machines that are to be handled with the utmost caution and care.

***
If the United States, itself awash with weapons, wishes to benefit from Israel’s experience, it must make sure it learns the right lessons. The first and most universal one is that ever more stringent gun control is bad policy: As is the case with drugs, as was the case with liquor during Prohibition, the strict banning of anything does little but push the market underground into the hands of criminals and thugs. Rather than spend fortunes and ruin lives in a futile attempt to eradicate every last trigger in America, we would do well to follow Israel’s example and educate gun owners about their rights and responsibilities, so as to foster a culture of sensible and mindful gun ownership."
The U.S. Should Emulate Israel's Gun Culture

You realize that is an old article and crime has exploded this year?
that would make them do a little more research and you know how lazy republicans are when it comes to research...

Last I checked violent crime is up in WI since getting concealed carry also.
 
the problem republicans have are the crazies with guns.... heres a fact sense 2005 when the the assault weapon ban was repealed school shooting doubled and no concealed permit help their
 
Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry gun permit applications surge - Washington Times

"Since Illinois started granting concealed carry permits this year, the number of robberies that have led to arrests in Chicago has declined 20 percent from last year, according to police department statistics. Reports of burglary and motor vehicle theft are down 20 percent and 26 percent, respectively. In the first quarter, the city’s homicide rate was at a 56-year low.

“It isn’t any coincidence crime rates started to go down when concealed carry was permitted. Just the idea that the criminals don’t know who’s armed and who isn’t has a deterrence effect,” said Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association. “The police department hasn’t changed a single tactic — they haven’t announced a shift in policy or of course — and yet you have these incredible numbers.”"


No surprise.

"“An armed society,” Nedivi wrote, quoting the science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein, “is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” It may be a bit odd to think of Israeli society as polite, but when it comes to guns it is, and for just the reason articulated by Heinlein: When everyone has a gun, guns are no longer seen as talismans by weak, frightened, and unstable men seeking a sense of self-validation, but as killing machines that are to be handled with the utmost caution and care.

***
If the United States, itself awash with weapons, wishes to benefit from Israel’s experience, it must make sure it learns the right lessons. The first and most universal one is that ever more stringent gun control is bad policy: As is the case with drugs, as was the case with liquor during Prohibition, the strict banning of anything does little but push the market underground into the hands of criminals and thugs. Rather than spend fortunes and ruin lives in a futile attempt to eradicate every last trigger in America, we would do well to follow Israel’s example and educate gun owners about their rights and responsibilities, so as to foster a culture of sensible and mindful gun ownership."
The U.S. Should Emulate Israel's Gun Culture

You realize that is an old article and crime has exploded this year?
that would make them do a little more research and you know how lazy republicans are when it comes to research...

If you nitwits are gonna try and counter a thread, try using facts. I've been accused of being democrat, a liberal, and now a republican. You guys just make stuff up on the fly with no thought whatsoever.
 
Where does most gun-crime occur?

1. inner-city ghettoes
2. civilized parts of those cities
3. suburbs
4. countryside

Amongst whom does most gun-crime occur?

1. whites
2. minorities

What is the legal ownership standing of most firearms used to commit gun-crimes?

1. legally acquired
2. illegally acquired

In the 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions in the country, are the local gun-control laws best defined as...

1. strict
2. loose

In those same 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions, what percentage of those jurisdictions are governed locally by...

1. Democrats
2. Republicans

================================

The answers to those questions should prove quite revealing.
well, if you didn't have guns at all, this test would be meaningless ... now wouldn't it ... the fact that you felt to prove a point by the use of this test does point out your stupidity, not mine, yours, really shows us how foolish republicans really are... in the sate of colorado where we have experienced more school shooting then any other state and crazies killing then any other state ... the state got smart here ... the dems passed gun laws the crime has dropped drastically with guns and thats some thing you can't change ...

one other thing ...your test is one sided ... in fifty states sense any gun law was passed under reagan there has only been 4 states that has passed any kind of gun law ... so for your stats on gun laws 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions in the country, is irrelevant actually all of your question are irrelevant because only 4 states have passed any kind of gun law ... so your point here is moot
 
Where does most gun-crime occur?

1. inner-city ghettoes
2. civilized parts of those cities
3. suburbs
4. countryside

Amongst whom does most gun-crime occur?

1. whites
2. minorities

What is the legal ownership standing of most firearms used to commit gun-crimes?

1. legally acquired
2. illegally acquired

In the 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions in the country, are the local gun-control laws best defined as...

1. strict
2. loose

In those same 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions, what percentage of those jurisdictions are governed locally by...

1. Democrats
2. Republicans

================================

The answers to those questions should prove quite revealing.
well, if you didn't have guns at all, this test would be meaningless ... now wouldn't it ... the fact that you felt to prove a point by the use of this test does point out your stupidity, not mine, yours, really shows us how foolish republicans really are... in the sate of colorado where we have experienced more school shooting then any other state and crazies killing then any other state ... the state got smart here ... the dems passed gun laws the crime has dropped drastically with guns and thats some thing you can't change ...

one other thing ...your test is one sided ... in fifty states sense any gun law was passed under reagan there has only been 4 states that has passed any kind of gun law ... so for your stats on gun laws 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions in the country, is irrelevant actually all of your question are irrelevant because only 4 states have passed any kind of gun law ... so your point here is moot
Nice try, young-ling. Gun-law can be at any level of government, including the county and municipal levels, not just at the state level.

Now... back to the kiddie table with you... until you can learn to answer straight questions with a straight answer... rather than trying to weasel-out of the challenge.

The bias is intentional... glaringly obvious... it is meant to be perceived at the outset... and that, too, sends a message about the true nature of the problem...

You can't hide your head in the sand forever, content only to deal with data that does not make you feel uncomfortable...

Oh, and, BTW, with regard to your unprovoked insult directed at a colleague with an opposing viewpoint... pertaining to my stupidity...

You may very well be right... I can, indeed, be as dumb as a box-o-rocks, at times...

But I take great comfort in the idea that a number of others, such as yourself, take the heat off of me... given that Nature has provisioned you even less generously.

Hope that helps.

Meantime...

Time to man-up and demonstrate the intellectual courage to answer those key questions honestly, even if they do not fit your agenda and thinking...

If you dare...

If you want to have an honest conversation on the subject with your fellow countrymen whose opinions span the entire spectrum on this subject, you can't avoid dealing with those questions...

Far better, and far more courageous, to deal with them straight-on...

Unless, of course, you lack the bravery or facility to do so.
 
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Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry gun permit applications surge - Washington Times

"Since Illinois started granting concealed carry permits this year, the number of robberies that have led to arrests in Chicago has declined 20 percent from last year, according to police department statistics. Reports of burglary and motor vehicle theft are down 20 percent and 26 percent, respectively. In the first quarter, the city’s homicide rate was at a 56-year low.

“It isn’t any coincidence crime rates started to go down when concealed carry was permitted. Just the idea that the criminals don’t know who’s armed and who isn’t has a deterrence effect,” said Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association. “The police department hasn’t changed a single tactic — they haven’t announced a shift in policy or of course — and yet you have these incredible numbers.”"


No surprise.

"“An armed society,” Nedivi wrote, quoting the science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein, “is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” It may be a bit odd to think of Israeli society as polite, but when it comes to guns it is, and for just the reason articulated by Heinlein: When everyone has a gun, guns are no longer seen as talismans by weak, frightened, and unstable men seeking a sense of self-validation, but as killing machines that are to be handled with the utmost caution and care.

***
If the United States, itself awash with weapons, wishes to benefit from Israel’s experience, it must make sure it learns the right lessons. The first and most universal one is that ever more stringent gun control is bad policy: As is the case with drugs, as was the case with liquor during Prohibition, the strict banning of anything does little but push the market underground into the hands of criminals and thugs. Rather than spend fortunes and ruin lives in a futile attempt to eradicate every last trigger in America, we would do well to follow Israel’s example and educate gun owners about their rights and responsibilities, so as to foster a culture of sensible and mindful gun ownership."
The U.S. Should Emulate Israel's Gun Culture

You realize that is an old article and crime has exploded this year?
that would make them do a little more research and you know how lazy republicans are when it comes to research...

If you nitwits are gonna try and counter a thread, try using facts. I've been accused of being democrat, a liberal, and now a republican. You guys just make stuff up on the fly with no thought whatsoever.
and you use information that'[s out dated then tried calling it a fact... the facts of the matters gun violence has gone up in Chicago where you tried to make it look like by carrying a concealed weapon made people in chicago think twice before pulling a gun ... what concealed weapons did was cause the criminal to shoot first before they could pull their concealed weapon ... that's why crime is up you moron ...
 
Where does most gun-crime occur?

1. inner-city ghettoes
2. civilized parts of those cities
3. suburbs
4. countryside

Amongst whom does most gun-crime occur?

1. whites
2. minorities

What is the legal ownership standing of most firearms used to commit gun-crimes?

1. legally acquired
2. illegally acquired

In the 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions in the country, are the local gun-control laws best defined as...

1. strict
2. loose

In those same 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions, what percentage of those jurisdictions are governed locally by...

1. Democrats
2. Republicans

================================

The answers to those questions should prove quite revealing.
well, if you didn't have guns at all, this test would be meaningless ... now wouldn't it ... the fact that you felt to prove a point by the use of this test does point out your stupidity, not mine, yours, really shows us how foolish republicans really are... in the sate of colorado where we have experienced more school shooting then any other state and crazies killing then any other state ... the state got smart here ... the dems passed gun laws the crime has dropped drastically with guns and thats some thing you can't change ...

one other thing ...your test is one sided ... in fifty states sense any gun law was passed under reagan there has only been 4 states that has passed any kind of gun law ... so for your stats on gun laws 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions in the country, is irrelevant actually all of your question are irrelevant because only 4 states have passed any kind of gun law ... so your point here is moot
Nice try, young-ling. Gun-law can be at any level of government, including the county and municipal levels, not just at the state level.

Now... back to the kiddie table with you... until you can learn to answer straight questions with a straight answer... rather than trying to weasel-out of the challenge.

The bias is intentional... glaringly obvious... it is meant to be perceived at the outset... and that, too, sends a message about the true nature of the problem...

You can't hide your head in the sand forever, content only to deal with data that does not make you feel uncomfortable...

Oh, and, BTW, with regard to your unprovoked insult directed at a colleague with an opposing viewpoint... pertaining to my stupidity...

You may very well be right... I can, indeed, be as dumb as a box-o-rocks, at times...

But I take great comfort in the idea that a number of others, such as yourself, take the heat off of me... given that Nature has provisioned you even less generously.

Hope that helps.

Meantime...

Time to man-up and demonstrate the intellectual courage to answer those key questions honestly, even if they do not fit your agenda and thinking...

If you dare...

If you want to have an honest conversation on the subject with your fellow countrymen whose opinions span the entire spectrum on this subject, you can't avoid dealing with those questions...

Far better, and far more courageous, to deal with them straight-on...

Unless, of course, you lack the bravery or facility to do so.
nothing like the ramblings of a middle school idiot ... you're just another child in a I love guns suit, that can't fend for himself ... if you dare, really??? dare??? another middle school rant response ... look at this moron with his taunting responses here I'm still laughing ... are you man enough ??? do you have a pair ??? what other taunting words are you going to lose at ??? your post was biased, one sided. and baseless .... and you can't stand the fact that I outed your childish post
 
Where does most gun-crime occur?

1. inner-city ghettoes
2. civilized parts of those cities
3. suburbs
4. countryside

Amongst whom does most gun-crime occur?

1. whites
2. minorities

What is the legal ownership standing of most firearms used to commit gun-crimes?

1. legally acquired
2. illegally acquired

In the 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions in the country, are the local gun-control laws best defined as...

1. strict
2. loose

In those same 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions, what percentage of those jurisdictions are governed locally by...

1. Democrats
2. Republicans

================================

The answers to those questions should prove quite revealing.
well, if you didn't have guns at all, this test would be meaningless ... now wouldn't it ... the fact that you felt to prove a point by the use of this test does point out your stupidity, not mine, yours, really shows us how foolish republicans really are... in the sate of colorado where we have experienced more school shooting then any other state and crazies killing then any other state ... the state got smart here ... the dems passed gun laws the crime has dropped drastically with guns and thats some thing you can't change ...

one other thing ...your test is one sided ... in fifty states sense any gun law was passed under reagan there has only been 4 states that has passed any kind of gun law ... so for your stats on gun laws 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions in the country, is irrelevant actually all of your question are irrelevant because only 4 states have passed any kind of gun law ... so your point here is moot
Nice try, young-ling. Gun-law can be at any level of government, including the county and municipal levels, not just at the state level.

Now... back to the kiddie table with you... until you can learn to answer straight questions with a straight answer... rather than trying to weasel-out of the challenge.

The bias is intentional... glaringly obvious... it is meant to be perceived at the outset... and that, too, sends a message about the true nature of the problem...

You can't hide your head in the sand forever, content only to deal with data that does not make you feel uncomfortable...

Oh, and, BTW, with regard to your unprovoked insult directed at a colleague with an opposing viewpoint... pertaining to my stupidity...

You may very well be right... I can, indeed, be as dumb as a box-o-rocks, at times...

But I take great comfort in the idea that a number of others, such as yourself, take the heat off of me... given that Nature has provisioned you even less generously.

Hope that helps.

Meantime...

Time to man-up and demonstrate the intellectual courage to answer those key questions honestly, even if they do not fit your agenda and thinking...

If you dare...

If you want to have an honest conversation on the subject with your fellow countrymen whose opinions span the entire spectrum on this subject, you can't avoid dealing with those questions...

Far better, and far more courageous, to deal with them straight-on...

Unless, of course, you lack the bravery or facility to do so.
nothing like the ramblings of a middle school idiot ... you're just another child in a I love guns suit, that can't fend for himself ... if you dare, really??? dare??? another middle school rant response ... look at this moron with his taunting responses here I'm still laughing ... are you man enough ??? do you have a pair ??? what other taunting words are you going to lose at ??? your post was biased, one sided. and baseless .... and you can't stand the fact that I outed your childish post
I own no guns, and never have.

I am entirely in favor of mandatory national standards that the states must actively enforce and honor, with respect to licensing, registration, psych-evals, training, tightly controlled sales, transfers, disposal, etc., and metaphorical crucifixion for anyone caught violating those standards.

Didn't figure you had the intellectual courage to serve-up straight answers, but you deserved a second chance.

Now, scurry back under your LIbTard blankie, and give yourself a faux sense of the warm-and-fuzzies, that you told-off one of the grownups...

You're too much of a lightweight to bother with...

End of sequence.
 
Where does most gun-crime occur?

1. inner-city ghettoes
2. civilized parts of those cities
3. suburbs
4. countryside

Amongst whom does most gun-crime occur?

1. whites
2. minorities

What is the legal ownership standing of most firearms used to commit gun-crimes?

1. legally acquired
2. illegally acquired

In the 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions in the country, are the local gun-control laws best defined as...

1. strict
2. loose

In those same 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions, what percentage of those jurisdictions are governed locally by...

1. Democrats
2. Republicans

================================

The answers to those questions should prove quite revealing.
well, if you didn't have guns at all, this test would be meaningless ... now wouldn't it ... the fact that you felt to prove a point by the use of this test does point out your stupidity, not mine, yours, really shows us how foolish republicans really are... in the sate of colorado where we have experienced more school shooting then any other state and crazies killing then any other state ... the state got smart here ... the dems passed gun laws the crime has dropped drastically with guns and thats some thing you can't change ...

one other thing ...your test is one sided ... in fifty states sense any gun law was passed under reagan there has only been 4 states that has passed any kind of gun law ... so for your stats on gun laws 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions in the country, is irrelevant actually all of your question are irrelevant because only 4 states have passed any kind of gun law ... so your point here is moot
Nice try, young-ling. Gun-law can be at any level of government, including the county and municipal levels, not just at the state level.

Now... back to the kiddie table with you... until you can learn to answer straight questions with a straight answer... rather than trying to weasel-out of the challenge.

The bias is intentional... glaringly obvious... it is meant to be perceived at the outset... and that, too, sends a message about the true nature of the problem...

You can't hide your head in the sand forever, content only to deal with data that does not make you feel uncomfortable...

Oh, and, BTW, with regard to your unprovoked insult directed at a colleague with an opposing viewpoint... pertaining to my stupidity...

You may very well be right... I can, indeed, be as dumb as a box-o-rocks, at times...

But I take great comfort in the idea that a number of others, such as yourself, take the heat off of me... given that Nature has provisioned you even less generously.

Hope that helps.

Meantime...

Time to man-up and demonstrate the intellectual courage to answer those key questions honestly, even if they do not fit your agenda and thinking...

If you dare...

If you want to have an honest conversation on the subject with your fellow countrymen whose opinions span the entire spectrum on this subject, you can't avoid dealing with those questions...

Far better, and far more courageous, to deal with them straight-on...

Unless, of course, you lack the bravery or facility to do so.
sometime I wonder if you comprehend what you read ... your first part of your post, I pointed out in my post only 4 states have passed any kind of gun laws ... morons like you who feel the need to quote state law with out comprehend on what I said on how only 4 states have pass gun laws where I clearly said 4 states ... this show us you really don't have a grasp at what I have said ... I didn't say anything about federal law, I stated, state law ... then you come here with your stupidity here trying to make points only show us what a fool you are ... I was speaking about state laws and it went right over your head ...
 
Where does most gun-crime occur?

1. inner-city ghettoes
2. civilized parts of those cities
3. suburbs
4. countryside

Amongst whom does most gun-crime occur?

1. whites
2. minorities

What is the legal ownership standing of most firearms used to commit gun-crimes?

1. legally acquired
2. illegally acquired

In the 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions in the country, are the local gun-control laws best defined as...

1. strict
2. loose

In those same 10 highest gun-crime jurisdictions, what percentage of those jurisdictions are governed locally by...

1. Democrats
2. Republicans

================================

The answers to those questions should prove quite revealing.

Why do people like you want more guns in the cities?
 

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