WillowTree
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So if this city has been run by democrats for 80 years why is the conservative at fault? Just wondering.
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Gangbangers killing gangbangers.
Where’s the problem?
Wow, it took you about 2 seconds to jump on that racist stereotype. No, its not true at all. White people dont do these things anymore than any other race. In fact, when it comes to mass shootings, the numbers of white mass shooters are below their population percentage, which means other races are committing more mass shootings per capita.Whites being serial killers and mass shooters more often is a factual thing
The thread premise is a lie, and yet another example of how dishonest most conservatives are.Go start a thread about Alex Jones. This thread is about the war zone that is Chicago!What I am talking about is that I perceive a movement, made possible by the internet, to emphasize before the public any crimes committed by members of one particular group, with no coverage of crimes committed by people outside of that group, for the purpose of generating hatred and fear of a particular demographic group.We talked endlessly about it too. And we talked about the conclave in New Mexico, the bones of a dead, kid, the terrorist activities and guess what? Some dumbass on the left decided it was racist!Meanwhile, back in Colorado, the bodies of a pregnant woman and daughters, aged 4 and 3, have been found. The people so interested in Chicago don't seem to be overly excited about this. The husband/father is being held in custody. Yet another disgusting family wipe-out.
If we want to talk about crime, let's talk about it. And not in the style of some idiot like alex jones, who denies that the massacre at Sandy Hook elementary ever took place, with the grieving parents still receiving threats and harassment from unknown persons, or the idiots who continue to deny that people of the Jewish faith were slaughtered in camps built as death factories.
Members of a radical crazed Islamic cult took the life of that boy in New Mexico. Crazed members of Christian cults have taken the lives of others, such as Eric Rudolph and the guy executed in Florida for murdering an ob/gyn. Koresh, the child rapist?
Chicago is not a ‘war zone’ – the notion is nothing more than ridiculous rightwing demagoguery.
And the thread premise demonstrates just how reprehensible most conservatives are, seeking to exploit human suffering for some perceived partisan gain.
The problem of gun violence in Chicago is complex, its causes varied – there is no one contributing factor, and no one simple solution.
Certain facts can be acknowledged, however, to counter rightwing lies on the topic:
Gun violence in Chicago is not the consequence of the City’s firearm regulatory measures.
Gun violence in Chicago does not mean the City’s firearm regulatory measures have ‘failed,’ or are otherwise ‘unwarranted.’
Gun violence in Chicago is not a failure of law enforcement.
Gun violence in Chicago is not a failure on the part of the City’s political leaders.
And gun violence in Chicago has nothing to do with the political affiliation of the City’s political leaders.
Indeed, many of the contributing factors with regard to gun violence in Chicago exist outside of the City’s jurisdiction and purview, political factors completely removed from the control of the City’s government; factors long ignored by the right, conservative policies which have only exacerbated the problem.
The irony of this statement is hilarious.The thread premise is a lie, and yet another example of how dishonest most conservatives are.Go start a thread about Alex Jones. This thread is about the war zone that is Chicago!What I am talking about is that I perceive a movement, made possible by the internet, to emphasize before the public any crimes committed by members of one particular group, with no coverage of crimes committed by people outside of that group, for the purpose of generating hatred and fear of a particular demographic group.We talked endlessly about it too. And we talked about the conclave in New Mexico, the bones of a dead, kid, the terrorist activities and guess what? Some dumbass on the left decided it was racist!Meanwhile, back in Colorado, the bodies of a pregnant woman and daughters, aged 4 and 3, have been found. The people so interested in Chicago don't seem to be overly excited about this. The husband/father is being held in custody. Yet another disgusting family wipe-out.
If we want to talk about crime, let's talk about it. And not in the style of some idiot like alex jones, who denies that the massacre at Sandy Hook elementary ever took place, with the grieving parents still receiving threats and harassment from unknown persons, or the idiots who continue to deny that people of the Jewish faith were slaughtered in camps built as death factories.
Members of a radical crazed Islamic cult took the life of that boy in New Mexico. Crazed members of Christian cults have taken the lives of others, such as Eric Rudolph and the guy executed in Florida for murdering an ob/gyn. Koresh, the child rapist?
Chicago is not a ‘war zone’ – the notion is nothing more than ridiculous rightwing demagoguery.
And the thread premise demonstrates just how reprehensible most conservatives are, seeking to exploit human suffering for some perceived partisan gain.
The problem of gun violence in Chicago is complex, its causes varied – there is no one contributing factor, and no one simple solution.
Certain facts can be acknowledged, however, to counter rightwing lies on the topic:
Gun violence in Chicago is not the consequence of the City’s firearm regulatory measures.
Gun violence in Chicago does not mean the City’s firearm regulatory measures have ‘failed,’ or are otherwise ‘unwarranted.’
Gun violence in Chicago is not a failure of law enforcement.
Gun violence in Chicago is not a failure on the part of the City’s political leaders.
And gun violence in Chicago has nothing to do with the political affiliation of the City’s political leaders.
Indeed, many of the contributing factors with regard to gun violence in Chicago exist outside of the City’s jurisdiction and purview, political factors completely removed from the control of the City’s government; factors long ignored by the right, conservative policies which have only exacerbated the problem.
That is not mentorship -- mentorship is about more young males in their early ages having positive male figures in their life instead of that vacuum being filled by those who are gang membersThe problem here is not male mentorship because the black males are violent gang members who certainly do mentor the younger gang members. They just mentor them into being gang members.So far some possible solutions to stem the tide of gun crimes in Chicago is increased use of the death penalty, or in the state of Illinois -- reinstatement of the death penalty -- again, I am fine with this as soon as you death penalty cheerleaders agree that the justice system needs to be reformed.
The reason why this incessant thirst for trying to demonize a whole racial demographic exists is because when facts arise that this group is target of racial bias in the way sentences are handed out -- people shrug their shoulders and say --"well who cares, they deserve it more than the rest of "us".."
I also feel increased COMMUNITY policing will help -- but the main solution that will do the best good is socio-economical in nature along with more fathers or at the very least more hands on male mentorship in these communities -- and it doesn't have to be government funded either
Its already happening, but this problem is so immense, it will take more of it -- but for some, simply demonizing black folks as savages is solution enough -- then they wonder why they have such a hard time appealing to the same voting block that they demonize so much??
When most of these kids are talked to -- they often refer to their gang as their family, because most of them come from very broken families -- caused in part by liberal policies and also by Reaganomics -- when you decimate the middle class, its a lot harder for families to remain a unit
There is also a level of self hate that plays a factor into it -- not many of these folks value their life because they never felt they mattered -- in fact, it is common for poor people in general, but especially poor blacks to feel they have no value, so its logical to see how they don't value each other
However, if this was a "racial" thing -- that would mean upscale and middle class black neighborhoods would also be rampant with violence, they are not...which tells me this is more complicated than just saying "blacks are savages"
That is not mentorship -- mentorship is about more young males in their early ages having positive male figures in their life instead of that vacuum being filled by those who are gang membersThe problem here is not male mentorship because the black males are violent gang members who certainly do mentor the younger gang members. They just mentor them into being gang members.So far some possible solutions to stem the tide of gun crimes in Chicago is increased use of the death penalty, or in the state of Illinois -- reinstatement of the death penalty -- again, I am fine with this as soon as you death penalty cheerleaders agree that the justice system needs to be reformed.
The reason why this incessant thirst for trying to demonize a whole racial demographic exists is because when facts arise that this group is target of racial bias in the way sentences are handed out -- people shrug their shoulders and say --"well who cares, they deserve it more than the rest of "us".."
I also feel increased COMMUNITY policing will help -- but the main solution that will do the best good is socio-economical in nature along with more fathers or at the very least more hands on male mentorship in these communities -- and it doesn't have to be government funded either
Its already happening, but this problem is so immense, it will take more of it -- but for some, simply demonizing black folks as savages is solution enough -- then they wonder why they have such a hard time appealing to the same voting block that they demonize so much??
When most of these kids are talked to -- they often refer to their gang as their family, because most of them come from very broken families -- caused in part by liberal policies and also by Reaganomics -- when you decimate the middle class, its a lot harder for families to remain a unit
There is also a level of self hate that plays a factor into it -- not many of these folks value their life because they never felt they mattered -- in fact, it is common for poor people in general, but especially poor blacks to feel they have no value, so its logical to see how they don't value each other
However, if this was a "racial" thing -- that would mean upscale and middle class black neighborhoods would also be rampant with violence, they are not...which tells me this is more complicated than just saying "blacks are savages"
Big factors here, but violence is never the answers. The pulling together in order to rise up out of it all is the answers.
The idled mind is another factor involved, and then we have the bad elements within our higher institutions glorifying gang culture, and every other bad that inturn seeps into the idled minds, and ultimately corrupts them in a fatal way.
What a stinking pile of BS. Time for democrats to grow up and accept responsibility.The thread premise is a lie, and yet another example of how dishonest most conservatives are.Go start a thread about Alex Jones. This thread is about the war zone that is Chicago!What I am talking about is that I perceive a movement, made possible by the internet, to emphasize before the public any crimes committed by members of one particular group, with no coverage of crimes committed by people outside of that group, for the purpose of generating hatred and fear of a particular demographic group.We talked endlessly about it too. And we talked about the conclave in New Mexico, the bones of a dead, kid, the terrorist activities and guess what? Some dumbass on the left decided it was racist!Meanwhile, back in Colorado, the bodies of a pregnant woman and daughters, aged 4 and 3, have been found. The people so interested in Chicago don't seem to be overly excited about this. The husband/father is being held in custody. Yet another disgusting family wipe-out.
If we want to talk about crime, let's talk about it. And not in the style of some idiot like alex jones, who denies that the massacre at Sandy Hook elementary ever took place, with the grieving parents still receiving threats and harassment from unknown persons, or the idiots who continue to deny that people of the Jewish faith were slaughtered in camps built as death factories.
Members of a radical crazed Islamic cult took the life of that boy in New Mexico. Crazed members of Christian cults have taken the lives of others, such as Eric Rudolph and the guy executed in Florida for murdering an ob/gyn. Koresh, the child rapist?
Chicago is not a ‘war zone’ – the notion is nothing more than ridiculous rightwing demagoguery.
And the thread premise demonstrates just how reprehensible most conservatives are, seeking to exploit human suffering for some perceived partisan gain.
The problem of gun violence in Chicago is complex, its causes varied – there is no one contributing factor, and no one simple solution.
Certain facts can be acknowledged, however, to counter rightwing lies on the topic:
Gun violence in Chicago is not the consequence of the City’s firearm regulatory measures.
Gun violence in Chicago does not mean the City’s firearm regulatory measures have ‘failed,’ or are otherwise ‘unwarranted.’
Gun violence in Chicago is not a failure of law enforcement.
Gun violence in Chicago is not a failure on the part of the City’s political leaders.
And gun violence in Chicago has nothing to do with the political affiliation of the City’s political leaders.
Indeed, many of the contributing factors with regard to gun violence in Chicago exist outside of the City’s jurisdiction and purview, political factors completely removed from the control of the City’s government; factors long ignored by the right, conservative policies which have only exacerbated the problem.
That is not mentorship -- mentorship is about more young males in their early ages having positive male figures in their life instead of that vacuum being filled by those who are gang membersThe problem here is not male mentorship because the black males are violent gang members who certainly do mentor the younger gang members. They just mentor them into being gang members.So far some possible solutions to stem the tide of gun crimes in Chicago is increased use of the death penalty, or in the state of Illinois -- reinstatement of the death penalty -- again, I am fine with this as soon as you death penalty cheerleaders agree that the justice system needs to be reformed.
The reason why this incessant thirst for trying to demonize a whole racial demographic exists is because when facts arise that this group is target of racial bias in the way sentences are handed out -- people shrug their shoulders and say --"well who cares, they deserve it more than the rest of "us".."
I also feel increased COMMUNITY policing will help -- but the main solution that will do the best good is socio-economical in nature along with more fathers or at the very least more hands on male mentorship in these communities -- and it doesn't have to be government funded either
Its already happening, but this problem is so immense, it will take more of it -- but for some, simply demonizing black folks as savages is solution enough -- then they wonder why they have such a hard time appealing to the same voting block that they demonize so much??
When most of these kids are talked to -- they often refer to their gang as their family, because most of them come from very broken families -- caused in part by liberal policies and also by Reaganomics -- when you decimate the middle class, its a lot harder for families to remain a unit
There is also a level of self hate that plays a factor into it -- not many of these folks value their life because they never felt they mattered -- in fact, it is common for poor people in general, but especially poor blacks to feel they have no value, so its logical to see how they don't value each other
However, if this was a "racial" thing -- that would mean upscale and middle class black neighborhoods would also be rampant with violence, they are not...which tells me this is more complicated than just saying "blacks are savages"
Big factors here, but violence is never the answers. The pulling together in order to rise up out of it all is the answers.
The idled mind is another factor involved, and then we have the bad elements within our higher institutions glorifying gang culture, and every other bad that inturn seeps into the idled minds, and ultimately corrupts them in a fatal way.
The problem is this is a Democrat city, but Democrats refuse to address the issue and when Republicans bring it up, they call them racists. They are doing everything in their power to ensure that this issue cannot be resolved.
That is not mentorship -- mentorship is about more young males in their early ages having positive male figures in their life instead of that vacuum being filled by those who are gang membersThe problem here is not male mentorship because the black males are violent gang members who certainly do mentor the younger gang members. They just mentor them into being gang members.So far some possible solutions to stem the tide of gun crimes in Chicago is increased use of the death penalty, or in the state of Illinois -- reinstatement of the death penalty -- again, I am fine with this as soon as you death penalty cheerleaders agree that the justice system needs to be reformed.
The reason why this incessant thirst for trying to demonize a whole racial demographic exists is because when facts arise that this group is target of racial bias in the way sentences are handed out -- people shrug their shoulders and say --"well who cares, they deserve it more than the rest of "us".."
I also feel increased COMMUNITY policing will help -- but the main solution that will do the best good is socio-economical in nature along with more fathers or at the very least more hands on male mentorship in these communities -- and it doesn't have to be government funded either
Its already happening, but this problem is so immense, it will take more of it -- but for some, simply demonizing black folks as savages is solution enough -- then they wonder why they have such a hard time appealing to the same voting block that they demonize so much??
When most of these kids are talked to -- they often refer to their gang as their family, because most of them come from very broken families -- caused in part by liberal policies and also by Reaganomics -- when you decimate the middle class, its a lot harder for families to remain a unit
There is also a level of self hate that plays a factor into it -- not many of these folks value their life because they never felt they mattered -- in fact, it is common for poor people in general, but especially poor blacks to feel they have no value, so its logical to see how they don't value each other
However, if this was a "racial" thing -- that would mean upscale and middle class black neighborhoods would also be rampant with violence, they are not...which tells me this is more complicated than just saying "blacks are savages"
Big factors here, but violence is never the answers. The pulling together in order to rise up out of it all is the answers.
The idled mind is another factor involved, and then we have the bad elements within our higher institutions glorifying gang culture, and every other bad that inturn seeps into the idled minds, and ultimately corrupts them in a fatal way.
The problem is this is a Democrat city, but Democrats refuse to address the issue and when Republicans bring it up, they call them racists. They are doing everything in their power to ensure that this issue cannot be resolved.
The question is why?
That is not mentorship -- mentorship is about more young males in their early ages having positive male figures in their life instead of that vacuum being filled by those who are gang membersThe problem here is not male mentorship because the black males are violent gang members who certainly do mentor the younger gang members. They just mentor them into being gang members.So far some possible solutions to stem the tide of gun crimes in Chicago is increased use of the death penalty, or in the state of Illinois -- reinstatement of the death penalty -- again, I am fine with this as soon as you death penalty cheerleaders agree that the justice system needs to be reformed.
The reason why this incessant thirst for trying to demonize a whole racial demographic exists is because when facts arise that this group is target of racial bias in the way sentences are handed out -- people shrug their shoulders and say --"well who cares, they deserve it more than the rest of "us".."
I also feel increased COMMUNITY policing will help -- but the main solution that will do the best good is socio-economical in nature along with more fathers or at the very least more hands on male mentorship in these communities -- and it doesn't have to be government funded either
Its already happening, but this problem is so immense, it will take more of it -- but for some, simply demonizing black folks as savages is solution enough -- then they wonder why they have such a hard time appealing to the same voting block that they demonize so much??
When most of these kids are talked to -- they often refer to their gang as their family, because most of them come from very broken families -- caused in part by liberal policies and also by Reaganomics -- when you decimate the middle class, its a lot harder for families to remain a unit
There is also a level of self hate that plays a factor into it -- not many of these folks value their life because they never felt they mattered -- in fact, it is common for poor people in general, but especially poor blacks to feel they have no value, so its logical to see how they don't value each other
However, if this was a "racial" thing -- that would mean upscale and middle class black neighborhoods would also be rampant with violence, they are not...which tells me this is more complicated than just saying "blacks are savages"
Big factors here, but violence is never the answers. The pulling together in order to rise up out of it all is the answers.
The idled mind is another factor involved, and then we have the bad elements within our higher institutions glorifying gang culture, and every other bad that inturn seeps into the idled minds, and ultimately corrupts them in a fatal way.
The problem is this is a Democrat city, but Democrats refuse to address the issue and when Republicans bring it up, they call them racists. They are doing everything in their power to ensure that this issue cannot be resolved.
That is not mentorship -- mentorship is about more young males in their early ages having positive male figures in their life instead of that vacuum being filled by those who are gang membersThe problem here is not male mentorship because the black males are violent gang members who certainly do mentor the younger gang members. They just mentor them into being gang members.So far some possible solutions to stem the tide of gun crimes in Chicago is increased use of the death penalty, or in the state of Illinois -- reinstatement of the death penalty -- again, I am fine with this as soon as you death penalty cheerleaders agree that the justice system needs to be reformed.
The reason why this incessant thirst for trying to demonize a whole racial demographic exists is because when facts arise that this group is target of racial bias in the way sentences are handed out -- people shrug their shoulders and say --"well who cares, they deserve it more than the rest of "us".."
I also feel increased COMMUNITY policing will help -- but the main solution that will do the best good is socio-economical in nature along with more fathers or at the very least more hands on male mentorship in these communities -- and it doesn't have to be government funded either
Its already happening, but this problem is so immense, it will take more of it -- but for some, simply demonizing black folks as savages is solution enough -- then they wonder why they have such a hard time appealing to the same voting block that they demonize so much??
When most of these kids are talked to -- they often refer to their gang as their family, because most of them come from very broken families -- caused in part by liberal policies and also by Reaganomics -- when you decimate the middle class, its a lot harder for families to remain a unit
There is also a level of self hate that plays a factor into it -- not many of these folks value their life because they never felt they mattered -- in fact, it is common for poor people in general, but especially poor blacks to feel they have no value, so its logical to see how they don't value each other
However, if this was a "racial" thing -- that would mean upscale and middle class black neighborhoods would also be rampant with violence, they are not...which tells me this is more complicated than just saying "blacks are savages"
Big factors here, but violence is never the answers. The pulling together in order to rise up out of it all is the answers.
The idled mind is another factor involved, and then we have the bad elements within our higher institutions glorifying gang culture, and every other bad that inturn seeps into the idled minds, and ultimately corrupts them in a fatal way.
The problem is this is a Democrat city, but Democrats refuse to address the issue and when Republicans bring it up, they call them racists. They are doing everything in their power to ensure that this issue cannot be resolved.
That is not mentorship -- mentorship is about more young males in their early ages having positive male figures in their life instead of that vacuum being filled by those who are gang membersThe problem here is not male mentorship because the black males are violent gang members who certainly do mentor the younger gang members. They just mentor them into being gang members.So far some possible solutions to stem the tide of gun crimes in Chicago is increased use of the death penalty, or in the state of Illinois -- reinstatement of the death penalty -- again, I am fine with this as soon as you death penalty cheerleaders agree that the justice system needs to be reformed.
The reason why this incessant thirst for trying to demonize a whole racial demographic exists is because when facts arise that this group is target of racial bias in the way sentences are handed out -- people shrug their shoulders and say --"well who cares, they deserve it more than the rest of "us".."
I also feel increased COMMUNITY policing will help -- but the main solution that will do the best good is socio-economical in nature along with more fathers or at the very least more hands on male mentorship in these communities -- and it doesn't have to be government funded either
Its already happening, but this problem is so immense, it will take more of it -- but for some, simply demonizing black folks as savages is solution enough -- then they wonder why they have such a hard time appealing to the same voting block that they demonize so much??
When most of these kids are talked to -- they often refer to their gang as their family, because most of them come from very broken families -- caused in part by liberal policies and also by Reaganomics -- when you decimate the middle class, its a lot harder for families to remain a unit
There is also a level of self hate that plays a factor into it -- not many of these folks value their life because they never felt they mattered -- in fact, it is common for poor people in general, but especially poor blacks to feel they have no value, so its logical to see how they don't value each other
However, if this was a "racial" thing -- that would mean upscale and middle class black neighborhoods would also be rampant with violence, they are not...which tells me this is more complicated than just saying "blacks are savages"
Big factors here, but violence is never the answers. The pulling together in order to rise up out of it all is the answers.
The idled mind is another factor involved, and then we have the bad elements within our higher institutions glorifying gang culture, and every other bad that inturn seeps into the idled minds, and ultimately corrupts them in a fatal way.
The problem is this is a Democrat city, but Democrats refuse to address the issue and when Republicans bring it up, they call them racists. They are doing everything in their power to ensure that this issue cannot be resolved.
Your comment about Chicago being a "Democrat city" says it all. Your phony "concern" is entirely political, and yes, racist. I am sure that the citizens of Chicago are concerned, as are we all about crimes and murders.
That is not mentorship -- mentorship is about more young males in their early ages having positive male figures in their life instead of that vacuum being filled by those who are gang membersThe problem here is not male mentorship because the black males are violent gang members who certainly do mentor the younger gang members. They just mentor them into being gang members.So far some possible solutions to stem the tide of gun crimes in Chicago is increased use of the death penalty, or in the state of Illinois -- reinstatement of the death penalty -- again, I am fine with this as soon as you death penalty cheerleaders agree that the justice system needs to be reformed.
The reason why this incessant thirst for trying to demonize a whole racial demographic exists is because when facts arise that this group is target of racial bias in the way sentences are handed out -- people shrug their shoulders and say --"well who cares, they deserve it more than the rest of "us".."
I also feel increased COMMUNITY policing will help -- but the main solution that will do the best good is socio-economical in nature along with more fathers or at the very least more hands on male mentorship in these communities -- and it doesn't have to be government funded either
Its already happening, but this problem is so immense, it will take more of it -- but for some, simply demonizing black folks as savages is solution enough -- then they wonder why they have such a hard time appealing to the same voting block that they demonize so much??
When most of these kids are talked to -- they often refer to their gang as their family, because most of them come from very broken families -- caused in part by liberal policies and also by Reaganomics -- when you decimate the middle class, its a lot harder for families to remain a unit
There is also a level of self hate that plays a factor into it -- not many of these folks value their life because they never felt they mattered -- in fact, it is common for poor people in general, but especially poor blacks to feel they have no value, so its logical to see how they don't value each other
However, if this was a "racial" thing -- that would mean upscale and middle class black neighborhoods would also be rampant with violence, they are not...which tells me this is more complicated than just saying "blacks are savages"
Big factors here, but violence is never the answers. The pulling together in order to rise up out of it all is the answers.
The idled mind is another factor involved, and then we have the bad elements within our higher institutions glorifying gang culture, and every other bad that inturn seeps into the idled minds, and ultimately corrupts them in a fatal way.
The problem is this is a Democrat city, but Democrats refuse to address the issue and when Republicans bring it up, they call them racists. They are doing everything in their power to ensure that this issue cannot be resolved.
Your comment about Chicago being a "Democrat city" says it all. Your phony "concern" is entirely political, and yes, racist. I am sure that the citizens of Chicago are concerned, as are we all about crimes and murders.
Compared to the '90s, Chicago is rather peaceful.two thousand people there have been shot so far this year! In the latest round 23 people shot one a toddler! This was reported on Fox News! My God! What is going on?