Chicago: Nip It In The Bud

[September]

The cop's job was to put down the freak.

Lol no

​

 

[ogibillm]

Obviously the kid was a serious danger to the public. The video shows at least 3 police cars: the one filming, the one parked ahead of the perp, and the one that pulls up before the shooting. There is no reason for such a show of force if the kid was not a serious danger.

Secondly, when the released part of the video begins the perp is running away from the police car that was filming and toward a parked vehicle. Why was he running? What did he do to provoke this?

If he is running then stops and starts walking there is every reason to think he might attack. Especially when his erratic behavior suggests that he is whacked out of his brain on drugs and because he is carrying a knife - a deadly weapon.

Finally, the cop that shoots was probably responding to a 911 call or a call for backup. He probably has a mindset that he is going into a very dangerous situation. He arrives to find a whack job with a knife that refuses to obey police orders. He obviously cannot approach out of fear of being attacked. Use of deadly force was the only viable option at this point. Also, remember that this all happened very quickly in a high pressure situation created by the perp.

Final verdict: the homicide was justified.

nobody was threatened - hence no use of deadly force. the shooting wasn't justified to start, the murder definitely wasn't.

 

[Iron Head]

What if the fatal shot was inflicted in one of the first couple of shots? The kid died in the ambulance.

If the first couple shots could have caused the death, and they were ok in your mind, then it is justifiable. Correct?

no. it's not justifiable because the shooting wasn't justified for one, and the cop still intended to murder the kid.

So you are psychic now? You can divine the cop's intent simply by watching 20 seconds of a video?

Bullshit.

right. when you shoot a guy already on the ground you're thinking it tickles.

The cop's job was to put down the freak. He does not know if the perp is going to get up and charge him. Should the cop waited for the kid to stick that knife in his head before shooting? You don't have a fucking clue as to what you are talking about. You are insanely dense.

so it's your opinion that the mere act of holding the knife gave the cop license to shoot? seriously?

Secondly, if you watch the video you will see that some of those shots were missing the kid as he was lying on the road, evidenced by the white "smoke", or dust, popping up in front of the kid. The cop was obviously a very bad shot.

he shot him 16 times.his aim was good enough

I guess you would feel differently if the cop dropped him with one shot to the head?

no, i would still believe the shooting was illegal but there would be much, much, much more room for debate.
but what's the point of hypotheticals when we are dealing with a real live situation?

You are not listening to a fucking word I am saying.

 

[Iron Head]

The cop's job was to put down the freak.

Lol no

​

Fuck off, you drunk. You do not even know what fucking planet you are on!

 

[ogibillm]

no. it's not justifiable because the shooting wasn't justified for one, and the cop still intended to murder the kid.

So you are psychic now? You can divine the cop's intent simply by watching 20 seconds of a video?

Bullshit.

right. when you shoot a guy already on the ground you're thinking it tickles.

The cop's job was to put down the freak. He does not know if the perp is going to get up and charge him. Should the cop waited for the kid to stick that knife in his head before shooting? You don't have a fucking clue as to what you are talking about. You are insanely dense.

so it's your opinion that the mere act of holding the knife gave the cop license to shoot? seriously?

Secondly, if you watch the video you will see that some of those shots were missing the kid as he was lying on the road, evidenced by the white "smoke", or dust, popping up in front of the kid. The cop was obviously a very bad shot.

he shot him 16 times.his aim was good enough

I guess you would feel differently if the cop dropped him with one shot to the head?

no, i would still believe the shooting was illegal but there would be much, much, much more room for debate.
but what's the point of hypotheticals when we are dealing with a real live situation?

You are not listening to a fucking word I am saying.

because what you are saying is just a series of bullshit excuses and has no basis in reality. deadly force is not authorized when nobody is in imminent danger

 

[Iron Head]

Obviously the kid was a serious danger to the public. The video shows at least 3 police cars: the one filming, the one parked ahead of the perp, and the one that pulls up before the shooting. There is no reason for such a show of force if the kid was not a serious danger.

Secondly, when the released part of the video begins the perp is running away from the police car that was filming and toward a parked vehicle. Why was he running? What did he do to provoke this?

If he is running then stops and starts walking there is every reason to think he might attack. Especially when his erratic behavior suggests that he is whacked out of his brain on drugs and because he is carrying a knife - a deadly weapon.

Finally, the cop that shoots was probably responding to a 911 call or a call for backup. He probably has a mindset that he is going into a very dangerous situation. He arrives to find a whack job with a knife that refuses to obey police orders. He obviously cannot approach out of fear of being attacked. Use of deadly force was the only viable option at this point. Also, remember that this all happened very quickly in a high pressure situation created by the perp.

Final verdict: the homicide was justified.

nobody was threatened - hence no use of deadly force. the shooting wasn't justified to start, the murder definitely wasn't.

No threat, eh? Then why were the police called?

 

[Iron Head]

So you are psychic now? You can divine the cop's intent simply by watching 20 seconds of a video?

Bullshit.

right. when you shoot a guy already on the ground you're thinking it tickles.

The cop's job was to put down the freak. He does not know if the perp is going to get up and charge him. Should the cop waited for the kid to stick that knife in his head before shooting? You don't have a fucking clue as to what you are talking about. You are insanely dense.

so it's your opinion that the mere act of holding the knife gave the cop license to shoot? seriously?

Secondly, if you watch the video you will see that some of those shots were missing the kid as he was lying on the road, evidenced by the white "smoke", or dust, popping up in front of the kid. The cop was obviously a very bad shot.

he shot him 16 times.his aim was good enough

I guess you would feel differently if the cop dropped him with one shot to the head?

no, i would still believe the shooting was illegal but there would be much, much, much more room for debate.
but what's the point of hypotheticals when we are dealing with a real live situation?

You are not listening to a fucking word I am saying.

because what you are saying is just a series of bullshit excuses and has no basis in reality. deadly force is not authorized when nobody is in imminent danger

You do not have to wait for a perp to kill someone before you are justified in using deadly force.

 

[September]

Obviously the kid was a serious danger to the public. The video shows at least 3 police cars: the one filming, the one parked ahead of the perp, and the one that pulls up before the shooting. There is no reason for such a show of force if the kid was not a serious danger.

I had five cop cars surround me one time at the mall for drifting my car around in an empty area of the parking lot. They let me go and didn't even charge me with anything.

​

 

[ogibillm]

Obviously the kid was a serious danger to the public. The video shows at least 3 police cars: the one filming, the one parked ahead of the perp, and the one that pulls up before the shooting. There is no reason for such a show of force if the kid was not a serious danger.

Secondly, when the released part of the video begins the perp is running away from the police car that was filming and toward a parked vehicle. Why was he running? What did he do to provoke this?

If he is running then stops and starts walking there is every reason to think he might attack. Especially when his erratic behavior suggests that he is whacked out of his brain on drugs and because he is carrying a knife - a deadly weapon.

Finally, the cop that shoots was probably responding to a 911 call or a call for backup. He probably has a mindset that he is going into a very dangerous situation. He arrives to find a whack job with a knife that refuses to obey police orders. He obviously cannot approach out of fear of being attacked. Use of deadly force was the only viable option at this point. Also, remember that this all happened very quickly in a high pressure situation created by the perp.

Final verdict: the homicide was justified.

nobody was threatened - hence no use of deadly force. the shooting wasn't justified to start, the murder definitely wasn't.

No threat, eh? Then why were the police called?

because a guy on drugs was walking down the middle of a street.

and it doesn't matter what he did before. he could have held that knife against someone's throat and screamed that he was going to cut it - when the cop started shooting he was not threatening anyone.

 

[ogibillm]

right. when you shoot a guy already on the ground you're thinking it tickles.

The cop's job was to put down the freak. He does not know if the perp is going to get up and charge him. Should the cop waited for the kid to stick that knife in his head before shooting? You don't have a fucking clue as to what you are talking about. You are insanely dense.

so it's your opinion that the mere act of holding the knife gave the cop license to shoot? seriously?

Secondly, if you watch the video you will see that some of those shots were missing the kid as he was lying on the road, evidenced by the white "smoke", or dust, popping up in front of the kid. The cop was obviously a very bad shot.

he shot him 16 times.his aim was good enough

I guess you would feel differently if the cop dropped him with one shot to the head?

no, i would still believe the shooting was illegal but there would be much, much, much more room for debate.
but what's the point of hypotheticals when we are dealing with a real live situation?

You are not listening to a fucking word I am saying.

because what you are saying is just a series of bullshit excuses and has no basis in reality. deadly force is not authorized when nobody is in imminent danger

You do not have to wait for a perp to kill someone before you are justified in using deadly force.

no, but you do have to wait for them to do something aggressive and threatening.

 

[oreo]

The poor bastard who shot and killed the maniac was charged with first degree today in Chicago, becoming the latest victim of Political Correctness run amok.

There is a video. Here's what we know. A negro high out of his mind on PCP was rampaging down the middle of a public road at night while clearly wielding a knife. A cop dash cam films the perp from behind. Reinforcements pull up in front of the perp and to his left. They exit and demand that he stop. No response. They pull their guns and order him to stop. He continues to advance. He is acting erratically and the police have reason to think he is whacked out of his brain. That coupled with the asshole clearly being armed with a deadly weapon, creates a clear and present danger to the public. He would not stop. He would not obey orders from police. A reasonable person could conclude that he could not be stopped and arrested with being attacked by the perp with deadly force.

The police owed a duty to the public to shoot this fucker and bring him down.

The video is highly misleading as the angle at which it was filmed masks the true orientation of the shooting officer and the perp. If you view the video several times with an objective mind you will conclude that the officer saw a menacing PCP whack job wielding a knife advancing on his position.

Also, what was the cop's alternative? Arrest the drug freak? More than likely the cop would have suffered a knife attack and been wounded or killed. Just let him go and keep a close eye on him? Of course not. Criminals do not get to write their own script or have free reign on the street. As I said, even if the shooting officer's life was not in danger (though I believe it was and that a reasonable person in his position would likewise believe it), the public was clearly in danger. Since this punk bastard could probably not have been apprehended peacefully (cops are NOT required to get attacked prior to using deadly force) shooting him was in order and clearly justified.

Is 16 shots too many shot? Not necessarily. It happens all the time. If you are justified in using deadly force, then you are cleared to take down the perp regardless of how many shots you take. Cop are NOT required to limit their shots to wait and see if the perp may still attack him. Cops are NOT required to deliver shot to non-vital areas, like the arms or legs.

Rahm Emanuel, a former Obama Gestapo head, is a leftist turd who has decided to throw this white police officer and his family under the bus so as to not run afoul of BLM and the PC fascists. In other words, he has chosen to destroy a good man and his family in favor of a worthless PCP junkie and to preserve his own political career. You know damn well that he exerted some traditional Chicago style pressure on the local DA to press this case.

This shit has got to end. Police have got to be able to effectively do their jobs and not be held hostage to this chicken shit PC code. If those punks in Chicago riot the governor of Illinois ought to call in the National Guard ASAP and shut down those bastards.

This cop was charged with 1st degree murder, and he deserved it. This kid was walking away from them, and the cops were in no immediate danger. Shot 16 times, give me a break.

 

[ogibillm]

The poor bastard who shot and killed the maniac was charged with first degree today in Chicago, becoming the latest victim of Political Correctness run amok.

There is a video. Here's what we know. A negro high out of his mind on PCP was rampaging down the middle of a public road at night while clearly wielding a knife. A cop dash cam films the perp from behind. Reinforcements pull up in front of the perp and to his left. They exit and demand that he stop. No response. They pull their guns and order him to stop. He continues to advance. He is acting erratically and the police have reason to think he is whacked out of his brain. That coupled with the asshole clearly being armed with a deadly weapon, creates a clear and present danger to the public. He would not stop. He would not obey orders from police. A reasonable person could conclude that he could not be stopped and arrested with being attacked by the perp with deadly force.

The police owed a duty to the public to shoot this fucker and bring him down.

The video is highly misleading as the angle at which it was filmed masks the true orientation of the shooting officer and the perp. If you view the video several times with an objective mind you will conclude that the officer saw a menacing PCP whack job wielding a knife advancing on his position.

Also, what was the cop's alternative? Arrest the drug freak? More than likely the cop would have suffered a knife attack and been wounded or killed. Just let him go and keep a close eye on him? Of course not. Criminals do not get to write their own script or have free reign on the street. As I said, even if the shooting officer's life was not in danger (though I believe it was and that a reasonable person in his position would likewise believe it), the public was clearly in danger. Since this punk bastard could probably not have been apprehended peacefully (cops are NOT required to get attacked prior to using deadly force) shooting him was in order and clearly justified.

Is 16 shots too many shot? Not necessarily. It happens all the time. If you are justified in using deadly force, then you are cleared to take down the perp regardless of how many shots you take. Cop are NOT required to limit their shots to wait and see if the perp may still attack him. Cops are NOT required to deliver shot to non-vital areas, like the arms or legs.

Rahm Emanuel, a former Obama Gestapo head, is a leftist turd who has decided to throw this white police officer and his family under the bus so as to not run afoul of BLM and the PC fascists. In other words, he has chosen to destroy a good man and his family in favor of a worthless PCP junkie and to preserve his own political career. You know damn well that he exerted some traditional Chicago style pressure on the local DA to press this case.

This shit has got to end. Police have got to be able to effectively do their jobs and not be held hostage to this chicken shit PC code. If those punks in Chicago riot the governor of Illinois ought to call in the National Guard ASAP and shut down those bastards.

This cop was charged with 1st degree murder, and he deserved it. This kid was walking away from them, and the cops were in no immediate danger. Shot 16 times, give me a break.

a number of those shots came as he was already on the ground. sad that anyone could watch that and think it's justified somehow.

 

[oreo]

right up until he shoots a man on the ground you have a point.
once shot, on the ground, and only armed with a 3" knife there's no reason to shoot him some more.
what may have started as a justified shooting ended with murder.

No. You got to give the officer some leeway. He was pumped up and firing a semi automatic weapon. In the heat of the moment it is easy to empty a magazine in a fraction of a moment.

You have to evaluate the shooting in its totality. You cannot break it down into segments.

kid dying in the street and he starts shooting again. that's murder. just ask that jackass pharmacist from oklahoma.

No, it is not. It was not in the heat of the moment, all shots coming within a fraction of a moment. Btw, the dangerous moment was created by the perp. What you call and "intent to kill" can also be construed as an intent to bring down a very dangerous perp that is putting the cops and public in danger.

bring down? he was already down. then he got shot some more. murder. the former cop will go to jail, i'll guarantee it, and the streets will be safer because of it.

Dude, the perp created a tremendously dangerous situation that sparked a large police response to a call of a whack job wielding a knife. Cops pull up and are advanced on by the perp. At this point the number one thing in the cop's mind is to shoot this fucker and send him to hell no matter how many shots it takes.

Listen to me, you have got to take the entire event into account and not segment it in order to get the full picture.

Even cops are saying this shooting was way out of line and unjustifiable. You or others have to be in imminent danger before you decide to pull that trigger.

1 year later they charge this cop and release the video. There is no excuse for any of this.

 

[Katzndogz]

There is no way the police were going to let this kid wander around waving a knife.

 

[ogibillm]

There is no way the police were going to let this kid wander around waving a knife.

yep. they should have arrested him.
or do you think walking with a knife is now instantly punishable by death?

 

[oreo]

There is no way the police were going to let this kid wander around waving a knife.

Look if you're a cop and can't disarm someone carrying a 3" knife you probably shouldn't be a cop. I think a billy club that all cops carry would have been sufficient enough to get the knife out of his hand.

 

[September]

There is no way the police were going to let this kid wander around waving a knife.

Look if you're a cop and can't disarm someone carrying a 3" knife you probably shouldn't be a cop.

Exactly
​

 

[Political Junky]

I saw the video. There was no "rampaging".

Bottom line is that cops are not and should not be judge, jury and executioner. The cop murdered a man and needs to pay the price for that.

right up until he shoots a man on the ground you have a point.
once shot, on the ground, and only armed with a 3" knife there's no reason to shoot him some more.
what may have started as a justified shooting ended with murder.

No. You got to give the officer some leeway. He was pumped up and firing a semi automatic weapon. In the heat of the moment it is easy to empty a magazine in a fraction of a moment.

You have to evaluate the shooting in its totality. You cannot break it down into segments.

WHAT??

He was "pumped up" so it was okay to murder the kid? A trained cop can't control his own gun?

If that's true then NO civilian should ever own a gun.

The "totality" is that the cop murdered a kid in the street. If Illinois is a capital punishment state, I hope he gets the death penalty that he chose to mete out to the kid.

The OP is racist slime. If the dead kid were white and the cop black, his rant would be completely different. Face it - equal rights under the law.

fAiL s0n....then go live in a society where you can go do anything the fuck you want. In the meantime, we non-zombies like the way law enforcement handled this one.

Assholes like this knucklehead fail in the connect the dots exercise. This savage may well have knifed somebody else to death without the decisive action taken by the police. Worse, the guy gets locked up for a couple or years for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest and comes back on the street and stabs a dozen people to death. No thanks..........the progressive limpwristers can take their circus side-show and form their own beautiful country and call it Scratchmyassville USA. HAPPY NOW!!!

Are you really advocating that police perform the jobs of judge, jury, and executioner?

s0n......if I go running down main street USA waving a fucking machete at people and charge police, I deserve to get my ass shot off. That's the way it works in a civilized society or you would have no civilized society....the cities would be owned by the savages. People are quite satisfied the way this went down.......only the fringe progressive nutter-k00ks fall all over themselves to push the established PC fuckedupedness.

Apparently you're thrilled, but not most by any means.

 

[ogibillm]

There is no way the police were going to let this kid wander around waving a knife.

Look if you're a cop and can't disarm someone carrying a 3" knife you probably shouldn't be a cop. I think a billy club that all cops carry would have been sufficient enough to get the knife out of his hand.

pepper spray, tazer, bean bag gun...

 

[Political Junky]

No one could let some kid out of his mind on PCP run around with a butcher knife.

He had a 3 inch knife.