Chicago shootings up nearly 200 percent in 2016

[2aguy]

Here is a quick link about open carry……

Is violent crime lower in states with open carry?

Gaetz then compared the total number of violent crimes (defined by federal officials as murder, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault) with the total population in the eight states without open carry in 2012. We checked his math and found the same result: Those states had a combined violent crime rate of about 434 per 100,000 people. The remaining 42 states had a violent crime rate of about 352 per 100,000. That means states with open carry laws did have a 23 percent lower violent crime rate that year.

 

[SeniorChief_Polock]

That's a lot of killing in a gun-free zone, Libbershits.
Who are the victims?
It might be a good thing depending on the answer.

 

[2aguy]

And here you go…

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504851.2013.854294#.VbvSoz30Wki

An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates

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Abstract
The purpose of the present study is to determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state-level murder rates.

Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states.

It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level. The results of this study are consistent with some prior research in this area, most notably Lott and Mustard (1997).

'And the results.....

IV. Results and Concluding Remarks
Results are presented on Table 1

. The CCW dummy variable is significant and positive, but the assault weap-
ons ban is insignificant.

Given that the average gun-
related murder rate over the period in question was
3.44, the results of the present study indicate that states
with more restrictive CCW laws had gun-related murder
rates that were 10% higher.

In addition, the Federal assault weapons ban is significant and positive, indicat-
ing that murder rates were 19.3% higher when the
Federal ban was in effect.

These results corroborate the findings of Lott and Mustard (1997). These results sug-
gest that, even after controlling for unobservable state
and year fixed effects, limiting the ability to carry con-
cealed weapons may cause murder rates to increase.
There may, however, be other explanations for these


And this....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/09/murder-drops-as-concealed-carry-permits-rise-claims-study/

 

[Brain357]

So crime isn't going down.

Not in Chicago......they have followed the Ferguson, Baltimore model and are attacking their own police...which is making the police sit in their cars......we have an 80% decline in police encounters on the street according to the stats.....then you throw in the fact that we already have 2,000 fewer police than we need....due to not having 1000 and losing 1000 a day to sick leave and vacations....and then you throw in the fact that the gangs get aldermen elected to their wards to protect gang killers and interests....

There is only so much concealed carriers can do, considering there are no gun stores or ranges allowed in chicago.....

Democrat policies are hard to deal with....

So it is really all about policing.

Concealed carry can lower the crime rate about 5% and 100% for those who are carrying a gun when they are attacked by a criminal…that means police have to make up about 95% of crime stopping…..when democrats weaken that…then those who carry guns have to stop criminal attack more often…...

Please back that up with a link. What about the people shot and killed trying to defend themselves. Why does violent crime keep going up since getting cocealed carry in WI?

Because a democrat is in Charge of Milwaukee….where the actual crime rate is going up…as in Chicago….democrat police policies….and Wisconsin just got concealed carry as did Chicago…..

It was going down in milwaukee with a dem mayor till they got concealed carry.

 

[2aguy]

Not in Chicago......they have followed the Ferguson, Baltimore model and are attacking their own police...which is making the police sit in their cars......we have an 80% decline in police encounters on the street according to the stats.....then you throw in the fact that we already have 2,000 fewer police than we need....due to not having 1000 and losing 1000 a day to sick leave and vacations....and then you throw in the fact that the gangs get aldermen elected to their wards to protect gang killers and interests....

There is only so much concealed carriers can do, considering there are no gun stores or ranges allowed in chicago.....

Democrat policies are hard to deal with....

So it is really all about policing.

Concealed carry can lower the crime rate about 5% and 100% for those who are carrying a gun when they are attacked by a criminal…that means police have to make up about 95% of crime stopping…..when democrats weaken that…then those who carry guns have to stop criminal attack more often…...

Please back that up with a link. What about the people shot and killed trying to defend themselves. Why does violent crime keep going up since getting cocealed carry in WI?

Because a democrat is in Charge of Milwaukee….where the actual crime rate is going up…as in Chicago….democrat police policies….and Wisconsin just got concealed carry as did Chicago…..

It was going down in milwaukee with a dem mayor till they got concealed carry.

Yeah….link.

 

[Brain357]

And here you go…

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504851.2013.854294#.VbvSoz30Wki

An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates

An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
Abstract
The purpose of the present study is to determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state-level murder rates.

Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states.

It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level. The results of this study are consistent with some prior research in this area, most notably Lott and Mustard (1997).

'And the results.....

IV. Results and Concluding Remarks
Results are presented on Table 1

. The CCW dummy variable is significant and positive, but the assault weap-
ons ban is insignificant.

Given that the average gun-
related murder rate over the period in question was
3.44, the results of the present study indicate that states
with more restrictive CCW laws had gun-related murder
rates that were 10% higher.

In addition, the Federal assault weapons ban is significant and positive, indicat-
ing that murder rates were 19.3% higher when the
Federal ban was in effect.

These results corroborate the findings of Lott and Mustard (1997). These results sug-
gest that, even after controlling for unobservable state
and year fixed effects, limiting the ability to carry con-
cealed weapons may cause murder rates to increase.
There may, however, be other explanations for these


And this....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/09/murder-drops-as-concealed-carry-permits-rise-claims-study/

Chicago and WI have more violent crime.

 

[2aguy]

And here you go…

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504851.2013.854294#.VbvSoz30Wki

An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates

An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
Abstract
The purpose of the present study is to determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state-level murder rates.

Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states.

It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level. The results of this study are consistent with some prior research in this area, most notably Lott and Mustard (1997).

'And the results.....

IV. Results and Concluding Remarks
Results are presented on Table 1

. The CCW dummy variable is significant and positive, but the assault weap-
ons ban is insignificant.

Given that the average gun-
related murder rate over the period in question was
3.44, the results of the present study indicate that states
with more restrictive CCW laws had gun-related murder
rates that were 10% higher.

In addition, the Federal assault weapons ban is significant and positive, indicat-
ing that murder rates were 19.3% higher when the
Federal ban was in effect.

These results corroborate the findings of Lott and Mustard (1997). These results sug-
gest that, even after controlling for unobservable state
and year fixed effects, limiting the ability to carry con-
cealed weapons may cause murder rates to increase.
There may, however, be other explanations for these


And this....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/09/murder-drops-as-concealed-carry-permits-rise-claims-study/

Chicago and WI have more violent crime.

And that is due to police under staffing, gangs controlling the politicians in their wards, and prosecutors not prosecuting gun crimes…

And as I pointed out….the police get the shaft from democrats…..

No easy answers to Milwaukee’s spiraling violence

Overworked, overtaxed

But the toughest sentences in the world won't help solve the city's crime problem if police aren't arresting the most violent criminals in the first place, said Michael Crivello, president of the Milwaukee Professional Police Association, which represents rank-and-file officers.
"The way I see it is — whether we're on the advent of travesty or we're already well into it — it was something that was bound to happen," he said.
Crivello and the union believe Flynn's changes in department structure and new policies implemented during his tenure have made it more difficult for officers to do their jobs effectively.
Crivello pointed to a reduction in the number of detectives, which was about 250 when Flynn took over in 2008 and is now about 180. Much of the responsibility for investigating crimes has been shifted from detectives to patrol officers.
"They're so overworked, overtaxed and trying to work with a different skill set, which they don't possess," Crivello said.
The dismantling of the gang and vice squads has allowed more violent criminals to roam free, according to Crivello.
"What you get out of it is human intelligence," he said of specialized squads. "That's how we win wars. You have to know what's going on in the streets. We've lost so much of that."
Flynn defended the changes.
"I think we've struck the right balance between proactive uniform-based policing in the neighborhoods and follow-up investigators," he said.
Today, the department is authorized to employ 192 detectives — fewer than in the past — and eight openings in the division should be filled fairly soon, Flynn said.
Crivello also took issue with the department's pursuit policy, which has recently come under criticism from Ald. Bob Donovan, a mayoral candidate. The policy prevents officers from engaging in high-speed chases unless they have probable cause someone in a car is committing a violent felony or is "a clear and immediate threat to the safety of others."
The policy was changed in 2010 and has reduced the number of crashes. On the flip side, criminals who may be wanted on warrants, have a gun under the seat or have a trunk full of drugs know that if they flee police, there is very little the officers can do, Crivello said.
"They can literally flip the finger to an officer and take off hard and fast and get away with it," he said.
Flynn pointed out that critics used a similar argument against the old policy, saying officers were taking undue risks by chasing motorists who may not have guns or drugs. Research indicates that the vast majority of pursuits turn out to be for minor traffic violations, he said.

 

[OldLady]

How did these non-responsible perps get their guns? legally? illegally? if illegally, how do we STOP the illegal trade in guns?

You can't. What you can do is put them in jail when you catch them.....the problem has been the prosecutors and judges. They are not taking gun crimes seriously, especially possession of a gun by a convicted felon. They are letting them out and then they go and kill people. We need to seriously look at why they are not putting these criminals away for a long time.

In Japan.....the country the gun grabbers point to.....they have massive sentences for gun crime...they have made it toxic for known criminals to carry guns....and on top of that, if a minion of a crime boss is caught with a gun, they fine the crime boss. In Japan....losing money is the worst thing you can do to a Yakuza.....

That is how Japan controls guns in their criminal underworld.

I don't want to feed and clothe these assholes for twenty years. It would be better to get to the root of the problem--the distributors.

 

[Brain357]

So it is really all about policing.

Concealed carry can lower the crime rate about 5% and 100% for those who are carrying a gun when they are attacked by a criminal…that means police have to make up about 95% of crime stopping…..when democrats weaken that…then those who carry guns have to stop criminal attack more often…...

Please back that up with a link. What about the people shot and killed trying to defend themselves. Why does violent crime keep going up since getting cocealed carry in WI?

Because a democrat is in Charge of Milwaukee….where the actual crime rate is going up…as in Chicago….democrat police policies….and Wisconsin just got concealed carry as did Chicago…..

It was going down in milwaukee with a dem mayor till they got concealed carry.

Yeah….link.

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Milwaukee-Wisconsin.html

 

[2aguy]

How did these non-responsible perps get their guns? legally? illegally? if illegally, how do we STOP the illegal trade in guns?

You can't. What you can do is put them in jail when you catch them.....the problem has been the prosecutors and judges. They are not taking gun crimes seriously, especially possession of a gun by a convicted felon. They are letting them out and then they go and kill people. We need to seriously look at why they are not putting these criminals away for a long time.

In Japan.....the country the gun grabbers point to.....they have massive sentences for gun crime...they have made it toxic for known criminals to carry guns....and on top of that, if a minion of a crime boss is caught with a gun, they fine the crime boss. In Japan....losing money is the worst thing you can do to a Yakuza.....

That is how Japan controls guns in their criminal underworld.

I don't want to feed and clothe these assholes for twenty years. It would be better to get to the root of the problem--the distributors.

No…if you want to reduce gun violence then you need to lock up actual violent criminals….they are the ones actually shooting people..and if you follow crime…letting violent criminals off for gun possession just means they will be free to murder someone down the road.

 

[2aguy]

Concealed carry can lower the crime rate about 5% and 100% for those who are carrying a gun when they are attacked by a criminal…that means police have to make up about 95% of crime stopping…..when democrats weaken that…then those who carry guns have to stop criminal attack more often…...

Please back that up with a link. What about the people shot and killed trying to defend themselves. Why does violent crime keep going up since getting cocealed carry in WI?

Because a democrat is in Charge of Milwaukee….where the actual crime rate is going up…as in Chicago….democrat police policies….and Wisconsin just got concealed carry as did Chicago…..

It was going down in milwaukee with a dem mayor till they got concealed carry.

Yeah….link.

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And here is the truth democrats undermining the police…and it has only gotten worse since Fergusson…..

No easy answers to Milwaukee’s spiraling violence

Overworked, overtaxed

But the toughest sentences in the world won't help solve the city's crime problem if police aren't arresting the most violent criminals in the first place, said Michael Crivello, president of the Milwaukee Professional Police Association, which represents rank-and-file officers.

"The way I see it is — whether we're on the advent of travesty or we're already well into it — it was something that was bound to happen," he said.
Crivello and the union believe Flynn's changes in department structure and new policies implemented during his tenure have made it more difficult for officers to do their jobs effectively.

Crivello pointed to a reduction in the number of detectives, which was about 250 when Flynn took over in 2008 and is now about 180. Much of the responsibility for investigating crimes has been shifted from detectives to patrol officers.
"They're so overworked, overtaxed and trying to work with a different skill set, which they don't possess," Crivello said.

The dismantling of the gang and vice squads has allowed more violent criminals to roam free, according to Crivello.

"What you get out of it is human intelligence," he said of specialized squads. "That's how we win wars. You have to know what's going on in the streets. We've lost so much of that."

Flynn defended the changes.

"I think we've struck the right balance between proactive uniform-based policing in the neighborhoods and follow-up investigators," he said.
Today, the department is authorized to employ 192 detectives — fewer than in the past — and eight openings in the division should be filled fairly soon, Flynn said.

Crivello also took issue with the department's pursuit policy, which has recently come under criticism from Ald. Bob Donovan, a mayoral candidate. The policy prevents officers from engaging in high-speed chases unless they have probable cause someone in a car is committing a violent felony or is "a clear and immediate threat to the safety of others."

The policy was changed in 2010 and has reduced the number of crashes.

On the flip side, criminals who may be wanted on warrants, have a gun under the seat or have a trunk full of drugs know that if they flee police, there is very little the officers can do, Crivello said.

"They can literally flip the finger to an officer and take off hard and fast and get away with it," he said.

Flynn pointed out that critics used a similar argument against the old policy, saying officers were taking undue risks by chasing motorists who may not have guns or drugs. Research indicates that the vast majority of pursuits turn out to be for minor traffic violations, he said.
​

 

[2aguy]

And the Ferguson effect of getting police to stop doing their job is increasing all around the country…….and that is leading to more gun murders…and New York..they stopped stop and Frisk…and their gun murder rate is going up…

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160113/loop/chicago-police-street-stops-decrease-dramatically-amid-sinking-morale

CHICAGO — Police officers are making drastically fewer investigative stops and confiscating fewer guns as murders and shootings have increased so far this year, DNAinfo Chicago has learned.

So far this year, the number of so-called investigative stop reports — formerly known as “contact cards” — has decreased by about 80 percent compared to the same time period last year, police sources told DNAinfo Chicago.

There also been a 37 percent decline in gun arrests and a 35 percent decrease in gun confiscations compared to last year, according to police data.

Meanwhile, there have been 72 more shootings (a 218 percent increase) and 10 more murders (a 125 percent spike) than during the same time period last year, according to police data.


So, no…..normal, law abiding gun owners are not increasing the gun murder rate in Chicago and Milwaukee….anti police policies of democrat mayors and national headlines from Ferguson and Baltimore that are keeping police from doing their jobs is increasing the gun murder rate in democrat cities….

 

[2aguy]

And here you go…

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504851.2013.854294#.VbvSoz30Wki

An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates

An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
Abstract
The purpose of the present study is to determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state-level murder rates.

Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states.

It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level. The results of this study are consistent with some prior research in this area, most notably Lott and Mustard (1997).

'And the results.....

IV. Results and Concluding Remarks
Results are presented on Table 1

. The CCW dummy variable is significant and positive, but the assault weap-
ons ban is insignificant.

Given that the average gun-
related murder rate over the period in question was
3.44, the results of the present study indicate that states
with more restrictive CCW laws had gun-related murder
rates that were 10% higher.

In addition, the Federal assault weapons ban is significant and positive, indicat-
ing that murder rates were 19.3% higher when the
Federal ban was in effect.

These results corroborate the findings of Lott and Mustard (1997). These results sug-
gest that, even after controlling for unobservable state
and year fixed effects, limiting the ability to carry con-
cealed weapons may cause murder rates to increase.
There may, however, be other explanations for these


And this....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/09/murder-drops-as-concealed-carry-permits-rise-claims-study/

Chicago and WI have more violent crime.

Nope…..the police are doing less to stop violent crime because of democrat policies and now anti police crap coming from the democrat pressure groups like black lies matter….