Chris Christie: Trump surrounded by unconvincted felons and grifters

[Borillar]

The former NJ Governor says Trump doesn’t even vet his picks via "Google or Wikipedia".
The people around Trump are ""amateurs," "weaklings" and "unconvicted felons", He said.
Purchase Christie's book now.
Christie says Trump is surrounded by 'revolving door' of 'grifters' and 'felons'

He’s probably bitter. He sold his soul to support Trump, and all he got was a lousy MAGA hat. No cushy cabinet job or ambassadorship.

 

[martybegan]

The former NJ Governor says Trump doesn’t even vet his picks via "Google or Wikipedia".
The people around Trump are ""amateurs," "weaklings" and "unconvicted felons", He said.
Purchase Christie's book now.
Christie says Trump is surrounded by 'revolving door' of 'grifters' and 'felons'

There is no such thing as an unconvicted felon.

Sounds like Christie is a bit butt hurt.

Of course you guys rally to him when it suits you. never mind you hated him for years, and once his usefulness is used up, you will hate him again.

Wrong.

'felon
1
[fel-uh n]
|
noun
Law . a person who has committed a felony.'

the definition of felon


If I steal a car, but am never caught/convicted of said crime, I am still a felon (in most states).

Lol. Dictionary.com.

In common usage it is used to imply a person convicted of a felony.

Common usage? Sorry pal, the dictionary IS the 'common usage'.

Don't like dictionary.com?

How about the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language?

'felon

• Definitions

from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition

• n. Law One who has committed a felony.'

felon - definition and meaning


How about Merriam-Webster?

Definition of FELON


How about the Cambridge dictionary?

FELON | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Don't care. A felon legally is someone convicted of a felony.

 

[McRocket]

The former NJ Governor says Trump doesn’t even vet his picks via "Google or Wikipedia".
The people around Trump are ""amateurs," "weaklings" and "unconvicted felons", He said.
Purchase Christie's book now.
Christie says Trump is surrounded by 'revolving door' of 'grifters' and 'felons'

There is no such thing as an unconvicted felon.

Sounds like Christie is a bit butt hurt.

Of course you guys rally to him when it suits you. never mind you hated him for years, and once his usefulness is used up, you will hate him again.

Yes there is. Suppose you murdered someone. You have not been arrested yet.
Would you not call yourself a felon because you're on the run?

No, you are a suspect. a felon is someone convicted of a felony.

Words mean things.

And you should learn what they mean. You don't know what a felon is.

Chris Christie was a federal prosecutor. He knows what a felon is. You clearly don't.

So hit the books, kid.

Felons can't legally own firearms. They have to be convicted of a felony to be considered so. If someone mugged someone 20 years ago, was not convicted, and still owns a firearm, are they breaking the law?

A felon is a person CONVICTED of a felony, no matter what the internet dictionaries say.

100% WRONG.


From a legal dictionary:

'felon

Also found in: Dictionary, Thesaurus, Medical, Financial, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia.
Felon
An individual who commits a crime of a serious nature, such as Burglary or murder. A person who commits a felony.'

From West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2.

felon


Got it yet, pally boy?

 

[Valerie]

Boy Plunder: The Many Crimes of Jared Kushner
Despite being largely ignored by the press, the president’s son-in-law has a laundry list of crimes linked to his name

Boy Plunder: The Many Crimes of Jared Kushner – Member Feature Stories – Medium

 

[McRocket]

The former NJ Governor says Trump doesn’t even vet his picks via "Google or Wikipedia".
The people around Trump are ""amateurs," "weaklings" and "unconvicted felons", He said.
Purchase Christie's book now.
Christie says Trump is surrounded by 'revolving door' of 'grifters' and 'felons'

There is no such thing as an unconvicted felon.

Sounds like Christie is a bit butt hurt.

Of course you guys rally to him when it suits you. never mind you hated him for years, and once his usefulness is used up, you will hate him again.

Wrong.

'felon
1
[fel-uh n]
|
noun
Law . a person who has committed a felony.'

the definition of felon


If I steal a car, but am never caught/convicted of said crime, I am still a felon (in most states).

Lol. Dictionary.com.

In common usage it is used to imply a person convicted of a felony.

Common usage? Sorry pal, the dictionary IS the 'common usage'.

Don't like dictionary.com?

How about the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language?

'felon

• Definitions

from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition

• n. Law One who has committed a felony.'

felon - definition and meaning


How about Merriam-Webster?

Definition of FELON


How about the Cambridge dictionary?

FELON | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Don't care. A felon legally is someone convicted of a felony.

LOL...nope. I just posted a legal definition....and you are dead wrong.

Chris Christie: Trump surrounded by unconvincted felons and grifters


This getting through to you yet?

 

[martybegan]

Republicans believe it's not a crime if you get away with it.

But they call Hillary a criminal all the time.

By your use of "unconvicted felon" she is.

by the legal definition, she isn't.

Consistency isn't your strong point, is it, oxygen thief?

Wrong again.

You said 'there is no such thing as an unconvicted felon'.
You did not say 'legally, one is not a felon until convicted of a felony.'
You simply said; 'there is no such thing as an unconvicted felon'.

I proved with the definition from two different dictionaries that the English languiage DEFINITION of a 'felon' is 'a person who has committed a felony'. JUST committed - not convicted of.

You clearly thought a felon had to be convicted to be a felon. Now you are trying to spin it because you obviously don't have the guts to just admit you were wrong. It's ridiculously obvious.


True or false, in the English language definition of a felon, as soon as one commits a felony, they are a felon?

True or false?

Not Applicable. Again, in the context of what you are accusing the people of, they are not felons until convicted.

You can pull 100 dictionaries out of your ass and I will not change my position.

Did you not say: 'There is no such thing as an unconvicted felon.'

Yes or no?

Yes. there is no such thing as an unconvicted felon. Legally a felon is convicted of a felony first.

I am only interested in the legal definition.

 

[McRocket]

But they call Hillary a criminal all the time.

By your use of "unconvicted felon" she is.

by the legal definition, she isn't.

Consistency isn't your strong point, is it, oxygen thief?

Wrong again.

You said 'there is no such thing as an unconvicted felon'.
You did not say 'legally, one is not a felon until convicted of a felony.'
You simply said; 'there is no such thing as an unconvicted felon'.

I proved with the definition from two different dictionaries that the English languiage DEFINITION of a 'felon' is 'a person who has committed a felony'. JUST committed - not convicted of.

You clearly thought a felon had to be convicted to be a felon. Now you are trying to spin it because you obviously don't have the guts to just admit you were wrong. It's ridiculously obvious.


True or false, in the English language definition of a felon, as soon as one commits a felony, they are a felon?

True or false?

Not Applicable. Again, in the context of what you are accusing the people of, they are not felons until convicted.

You can pull 100 dictionaries out of your ass and I will not change my position.

Did you not say: 'There is no such thing as an unconvicted felon.'

Yes or no?

Yes. there is no such thing as an unconvicted felon. Legally a felon is convicted of a felony first.

I am only interested in the legal definition.

And I posted the LEGAL definition.

Chris Christie: Trump surrounded by unconvincted felons and grifters

And you are wrong.


You got it yet, dumbass?

 

[martybegan]

There is no such thing as an unconvicted felon.

Sounds like Christie is a bit butt hurt.

Of course you guys rally to him when it suits you. never mind you hated him for years, and once his usefulness is used up, you will hate him again.

Wrong.

'felon
1
[fel-uh n]
|
noun
Law . a person who has committed a felony.'

the definition of felon


If I steal a car, but am never caught/convicted of said crime, I am still a felon (in most states).

Lol. Dictionary.com.

In common usage it is used to imply a person convicted of a felony.

Common usage? Sorry pal, the dictionary IS the 'common usage'.

Don't like dictionary.com?

How about the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language?

'felon

• Definitions

from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition

• n. Law One who has committed a felony.'

felon - definition and meaning


How about Merriam-Webster?

Definition of FELON


How about the Cambridge dictionary?

FELON | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Don't care. A felon legally is someone convicted of a felony.

LOL...nope. I just posted a legal definition....and you are dead wrong.

Chris Christie: Trump surrounded by unconvincted felons and grifters


Got it yet, pally boy.

The term is an oxymoron.

If he used unconvicted criminals I wouldn't have had an issue, but a felon is a specific person legally, and has to have been convicted of a felony.

 

[martybegan]

By your use of "unconvicted felon" she is.

by the legal definition, she isn't.

Consistency isn't your strong point, is it, oxygen thief?

Wrong again.

You said 'there is no such thing as an unconvicted felon'.
You did not say 'legally, one is not a felon until convicted of a felony.'
You simply said; 'there is no such thing as an unconvicted felon'.

I proved with the definition from two different dictionaries that the English languiage DEFINITION of a 'felon' is 'a person who has committed a felony'. JUST committed - not convicted of.

You clearly thought a felon had to be convicted to be a felon. Now you are trying to spin it because you obviously don't have the guts to just admit you were wrong. It's ridiculously obvious.


True or false, in the English language definition of a felon, as soon as one commits a felony, they are a felon?

True or false?

Not Applicable. Again, in the context of what you are accusing the people of, they are not felons until convicted.

You can pull 100 dictionaries out of your ass and I will not change my position.

Did you not say: 'There is no such thing as an unconvicted felon.'

Yes or no?

Yes. there is no such thing as an unconvicted felon. Legally a felon is convicted of a felony first.

I am only interested in the legal definition.

And I posted the LEGAL definition.

Chris Christie: Trump surrounded by unconvincted felons and grifters


You got it yet, dumbass?

Don't care. A person is a felon only when convicted of a felony.

 

[McRocket]

Wrong.

'felon
1
[fel-uh n]
|
noun
Law . a person who has committed a felony.'

the definition of felon


If I steal a car, but am never caught/convicted of said crime, I am still a felon (in most states).

Lol. Dictionary.com.

In common usage it is used to imply a person convicted of a felony.

Common usage? Sorry pal, the dictionary IS the 'common usage'.

Don't like dictionary.com?

How about the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language?

'felon

• Definitions

from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition

• n. Law One who has committed a felony.'

felon - definition and meaning


How about Merriam-Webster?

Definition of FELON


How about the Cambridge dictionary?

FELON | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Don't care. A felon legally is someone convicted of a felony.

LOL...nope. I just posted a legal definition....and you are dead wrong.

Chris Christie: Trump surrounded by unconvincted felons and grifters


Got it yet, pally boy.

The term is an oxymoron.

If he used unconvicted criminals I wouldn't have had an issue, but a felon is a specific person legally, and has to have been convicted of a felony.

LOL...no he doesn't.

Chris Christie: Trump surrounded by unconvincted felons and grifters


Surely this is approaching the record of the most times in one thread that someone keeps getting the same idea wrong.

 

[McRocket]

Wrong again.

You said 'there is no such thing as an unconvicted felon'.
You did not say 'legally, one is not a felon until convicted of a felony.'
You simply said; 'there is no such thing as an unconvicted felon'.

I proved with the definition from two different dictionaries that the English languiage DEFINITION of a 'felon' is 'a person who has committed a felony'. JUST committed - not convicted of.

You clearly thought a felon had to be convicted to be a felon. Now you are trying to spin it because you obviously don't have the guts to just admit you were wrong. It's ridiculously obvious.


True or false, in the English language definition of a felon, as soon as one commits a felony, they are a felon?

True or false?

Not Applicable. Again, in the context of what you are accusing the people of, they are not felons until convicted.

You can pull 100 dictionaries out of your ass and I will not change my position.

Did you not say: 'There is no such thing as an unconvicted felon.'

Yes or no?

Yes. there is no such thing as an unconvicted felon. Legally a felon is convicted of a felony first.

I am only interested in the legal definition.

And I posted the LEGAL definition.

Chris Christie: Trump surrounded by unconvincted felons and grifters


You got it yet, dumbass?

Don't care. A person is a felon only when convicted of a felony.

So...first you say there is no such thing as an unconvicted felon. I proved that wrong.

Then you changed it to you are only interested in the 'legal definition'. Then I proved that was wrong.

Now you are saying that you 'don't care' about ANY of that.

That despite the fact that in both regular AND legal definitions a felon is a felon just for committing a felony. You are saying they are both wrong and you are going with your own, personal definition.



Wow...this maybe a new record for moving the goal posts during a debate.


Stop being a baby and just admit you did not know what the definition of 'felon' was.

Sheesh.

 

[Oddball]

Tll;dr. Besides other people will fisk it as it requires.

I boil it down to "Trump was mean to me!"

Jared doesn't want him around...Threw his father in prison.

Jared is the new Cheney. Amazing his powers are.

I wonder who they will get to play him in the movie 11 years from now.

 

[Valerie]

Chris Christie writes:


Trump has a "revolving door of deeply flawed individuals — amateurs, grifters, weaklings, convicted and unconvicted felons" surrounding him in his book "Let Me Finish: Trump, the Kushners, Bannon, New Jersey, and the Power of In-Your-Face Politics," according to a report from Axios.

He says the people were "hustled into jobs they were never suited for, sometimes seemingly without so much as a background check via Google or Wikipedia."

 

[abu afak]

"On November 9, 2016, just a few minutes after Donald Trump was elected president of the United States, a man named Vyacheslav Nikonov approached a microphone in the Russian State Duma (their equivalent of the US House of Representatives) and made a very unusual statement.

“Dear friends, respected colleagues!” Nikonov said. “Three minutes ago, Hillary Clinton admitted her defeat in US presidential elections, and a second ago Trump started his speech as an elected president of the United States of America, and I congratulate you on this.”

Nikonov is a leader in the pro-Putin United Russia Party and, incidentally, the grandson of Vyacheslav Molotov — after whom the “Molotov cocktail” was named. His announcement that day was a clear signal that Trump’s victory was, in fact, a victory for Putin’s Russia.

Longtime journalist Craig Unger opens his new book, House of Trump, House of Putin, with this anecdote."


Trump’s ties to the Russian mafia go back 3 decades

I made a thrad of this
The short version.

Trump’s Russian Laundromat
How to use Trump Tower and other luxury high-rises to clean dirty money, run an international crime syndicate, and propel a failed real estate developer into the White House.
By CRAIG UNGER
Trump’s Russian Laundromat
July 13, 2017

“..They saved his bacon,” says Kenneth McCallion, a former assistant U.S. attorney in the Reagan administration who investigated ties between organized crime and Trump’s developments in the 1980s.

It’s entirely possible that Trump was never more than a convenient patsy for Russian oligarchs and mobsters, with his casinos and condos providing easy pass-throughs for their illicit riches."..
​

`

 

[Valerie]

Kushner is among the most corrupt and seditious figures ever to work in the White House. The son-in-law and top adviser to the president, the de facto U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia and would-be Middle East peacemaker, is no patriot. To the contrary, Kushner has shown nothing but contempt for the United States: violating its laws, lying to its law enforcement officials, and (possibly) selling its state policy for his own personal enrichment.

Despite criminal activity breathtaking in both scope and audacity, Kushner tends to receive preferential treatment from the media, like he’s royalty or a popular celebrity and not one of the most dangerous criminals in American history. Can it be attributed to Kushner’s cozy relationship with David Pecker, publisher of National Enquirer, Star, Sun, Weekly World News, and others? Or is it simply that Kushner generally avoids the spotlight, so his crimes are overshadowed by those of his father-in-law?

As we eagerly await his looming indictments, let’s survey the many alleged crimes of Jared Kushner.


Boy Plunder: The Many Crimes of Jared Kushner

 

[Shrimpbox]

So Mattis, Pompeo, Haley, sanders, pence, Kelly et al are felons, grifters, weaklings, and amateurs. Didn’t Obama have a fiction writer as his national security advisor, someone who also lied to Americans about Iran. Oh that’s right, we can’t talk about that. Christy is such a huge success story.

 

[koshergrl]

The former NJ Governor says Trump doesn’t even vet his picks via "Google or Wikipedia".
The people around Trump are ""amateurs," "weaklings" and "unconvicted felons", He said.
Purchase Christie's book now.
Christie says Trump is surrounded by 'revolving door' of 'grifters' and 'felons'

Oh brother.

Trump's strategy from day 1 has been to allow the criminals to function unimpeded until they are exposed and can be taken out.

 

[Valerie]

1. Weaponizing Data to Contaminate the Election



2. Meeting Illicitly With Russian Officials/Surrogates

It is against the law for American political campaigns to receive aid from foreign sources. It is likewise against the law for private American citizens to negotiate policy for the United States if they are not representatives of the current administration. So obviously arranging for campaign aid from a hostile foreign power in exchange for the promise of manipulation of U.S. policy would violate laws to the extreme. Kushner, however, appears to have done all these things.

At an April 2016 VIP-only foreign policy speech attended by most of his inner circle, Donald Trump promised a “good deal” for Russia. Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak attended, and Jared Kushner later claimed to have been the mastermind behind the event, which seems to have signaled to the Russians that the Trump campaign was willing to play ball.

In June 2016, Donald Trump Jr. met at Trump Tower with the Russian attorney Natalia Veselnitskya, who’d promised “dirt” on Hillary Clinton. Also in attendance were convicted felon Paul Manafort, representing the Trump campaign, and on the Russian side, Russian-American businessman Rinat Akhmetshin, alleged money launderer Ike Kaveladze, translator Anatoly Samochornov, and publicist Rob Goldstone, who helped arrange the meeting. Jared Kushner was there too, at least initially. He was also on the email chain concerning the meeting.

Kushner and convicted felon Mike Flynn met with Ambassador Kislyak at Trump Tower in the first week of December 2016. At the meeting, Kushner proposed a Russian embassy backchannel to avoid having to disclose communication between the camps going forward. Whatever went on at this sit-down, Kushner and Flynn went to great lengths to avoid discovery.

In mid-December that same year, Kushner ventured out to Newark Airport to meet Sergei Gorkov, the chairman of Vnesheconombank (VEB), the Russian state bank that was placed on the U.S. sanctions list in 2014. VEB later claimed that the meeting “was conducted with Kushner in his role as the head of his family’s real estate business,” according to the Washington Post. The White House, meanwhile, described it as a “diplomatic meeting,” whatever that means. Immediately after the rendezvous, Gorkov reportedly flew directly to see Putin, halfway around the world in Japan.


3. Meeting With the President of a Sanctioned Bank

That meeting with Gorkov? That was neither very legal nor very cool. Kushner is not allowed to do business with entities on the sanctions list. At the time of the meeting, Kushner’s company was in serious financial jeopardy. It needed a $1-billion loan to secure its white elephant of a property at 666 Fifth Avenue. If VEB’s suggestion is that the meeting was taken by Kushner “in his role as the head of his family’s real estate business,” that is highly illegal. What was Kushner offering in exchange for his family business’ loan?


4. Lying on His SF-86 Security Clearance Form

Kushner did not cite these meetings on his SF-86 security clearance form, which is itself a felony carrying a five-year prison term. Indeed, we only know about these clandestine Russia meetings because of great investigative journalism. Given Kushner’s penchant for secrecy, this suggests there might be other meetings we don’t yet know about.


5. Colluding With Tabloids to Attack Trump Critics

6. Lobbying for Qatari Blockade

7. Providing the Saudi Crown Prince With Classified Intelligence

8. Failure to Warn Jamal Khashoggi of the Plot Against Him

9. Using Personal Email to Conduct Government Business

 

[McRocket]

So Mattis, Pompeo, Haley, sanders, pence, Kelly et al are felons, grifters, weaklings, and amateurs. Didn’t Obama have a fiction writer as his national security advisor, someone who also lied to Americans about Iran. Oh that’s right, we can’t talk about that. Christy is such a huge success story.

Can't you understand a basic sentence?

'"revolving door of deeply flawed individuals — amateurs, grifters, weaklings, convicted and unconvicted felons"'

That does not mean every one of them are amateurs, grifters, weaklings and convicted/unconvicted felons'.

That means that all of them (in Christie's mind) are EITHER amateurs AND/OR grifters AND/OR weaklings AND/OR convicted/unconvicted felons.

Mattis is an amateur. A neocon amateur. All neocons are pathetic.
Pompeo is a grifter. Seems quite the scumbag to me.
Haley is an amateur. Another neocon amateur. Another useless neocon.
Sanders is pathetically weak. She blindly does/says whatever Trump tells her to - what a wimp.
Pence is incredibly weak....what a religious sap.
Don't know about Kelly.

I don't know if Christie's book is accurate.
But I agree with him in his general description about those around Trump. They are generally (with few exceptions) pathetic.

 

[Valerie]

9. Using Personal Email to Conduct Government Business

The man who helped run a social media campaign that centered on Hillary Clinton’s use of personal email accounts to conduct government business seems to have thought the same rules do not apply to him. As Politico reported in 2017:

The National Security Agency warned senior White House officials in classified briefings that improper use of personal cellphones and email could make them vulnerable to espionage by Russia, China, Iran and other adversaries, according to officials familiar with the briefings.The briefings came soon after President Donald Trump was sworn into office on Jan. 20, and before some top aides, including senior adviser Jared Kushner, used their personal email and phones to conduct official White House business.


These nine alleged crimes are easily connected to Kushner and range in punishment from stiff fines to prison time to execution. And these are just what the press has openly reported about. It stands to reason that there might be even more yet to be revealed.

Perhaps one day in the not-too-distant future, the Office of the Special Counsel will indict Kushner on any number of these and other crimes. And if it happens that Kushner did in fact commit espionage and treason, I would shed no tears if he met the same fate as the Rosenbergs.

Sedition deserves no quarter.