Christianity, and Ethics

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Let's just put this to bed, once and for all. You can claim that Christianity is responsible for whatever you like, one glaring fact remains:

If you read the Bible, and believe it is true, then you know that you God kills babies.

Let us reiterate that: You worship a God who Kills. Babies.

Now, you can rationalise this any way you wish, but so long as you insist that the God of the New Testament is the same God, as the God of the Old Testament, then you worship a God who ordered genocide, and killed Babies. Period. Full stop.

So long as you worship a genocidal, baby killing God, and pretend that he isn't just that, and even call him a loving God, then you get to question the ethics, and morals of no one.

It's that simple.

The christian god doesn't just KILL babies. He tortures them. He's such a monster that he gives them the most horrendous birth defects and illnesses imaginable.

Actually, any human who could think up what god does to the most innocent among us .... Hmmm ... That human would also be created by their god.


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Well, it is our mission statement. At least we own it and don't deny it. We were told to spread the Good News. But let's be honest here there is a distribution for everything. Blanket statements do no one a service.

The issue is that Dr. Snooze is as big a preacher as anyone else.
As he sees it, if you don't conform with his worldview, you're an idiot.

Yep, pretty much. He doesn't see it that way though. He sees himself as doing a service to mankind. But since he will not come out and openly state that he desires religion be abolished he undermines his own beliefs. If he really believed he was doing a service to mankind, he wouldn't be afraid to state his intentions. For instance, I believe that socialism destroys the spirit of man, is based on deceit and is evil. It is my sincerest desires that it be eradicated from the face of the earth as soon as possible. I'm not ashamed to say it. I am not afraid to say it. I do not undermine my beliefs. He is a coward of the first order; a terrorist. He hides in the shadows like a thief in the night; a subversive; a real pussy.

 

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I don't see you losing much sleep over the one million babies that were aborted last year. Where is your righteous indignation over that?

About ten percent of them were D&E's. Do you know what a D&E is, doctor? They literally dismember the baby while it is still alive. Where is your righteous indignation over that? Just yesterday, 200 babies had their arms pulled off while they were still alive. Where is your righteous indignation over that?

BS from, of all people, a fake christian who protects kiddie reapers in his sicko religion.

Don't pretend you care but even if you did, it's none of your business.

You own your own body. You decide when and if you will reproduce. No one has the right to take that most basic of rights to take that away from you.


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How exactly did I "protect kiddie reapers in [my] sicko religion, Luddly Neddite?

Of course I care, don't you care? If you care, why would you think others wouldn't care? Is the reason you believe others don't care because you yourself don't care?

At conception a genetically distinct human being comes into existence, so it isn't your own body. The most fundamental and basic right is the right to life. It is even listed in the Declaration of Independence as an inalienable right.

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How exactly did I "protect kiddie reapers in [my] sicko religion, Luddly Neddite?

your clergy have been raping people from the 4th century to the present day ... you included. -

is what they are saying, and what is conveyed by the fraudulent 4th century 10,000 pg document of deception.

Karl Marx had the exact same belief.

...in order to charm the golden birds, out of the pockets of his dearly beloved neighbours in Christ. He puts himself at the service of the other’s most depraved fancies, plays the pimp between him and his need, excites in him morbid appetites, lies in wait for each of his weaknesses – all so that he can then demand the cash for this service of love. (Every product is a bait with which to seduce away the other’s very being, his money; every real and possible need is a weakness which will lead the fly to the glue-pot. General exploitation of communal human nature, just as every imperfection in man, is a bond with heaven – an avenue giving the priest access to his heart; every need is an opportunity to approach one’s neighbour under the guise of the utmost amiability and to say to him: Dear friend, I give you what you need, but you know the conditio sine qua non; you know the ink in which you have to sign yourself over to me; in providing for your pleasure, I fleece you.)

Karl Marx
Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1844
3rd paragraph

Human Requirements and Division of Labour, Marx, 1844

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Karl Marx had the exact same belief.

history is the test over time your 4th century fraudulent agenda has failed miserably to ever pass, time is catching up with your phony book.

I think you need to look around. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a church. What has your religion done?

But I will give you credit, you're not as much of a pussy as Czernobog is. At least you don't hide your hatred of Christians.

 

[Czernobog]

Let's just put this to bed, once and for all. You can claim that Christianity is responsible for whatever you like, one glaring fact remains:

If you read the Bible, and believe it is true, then you know that you God kills babies.

Let us reiterate that: You worship a God who Kills. Babies.

Now, you can rationalise this any way you wish, but so long as you insist that the God of the New Testament is the same God, as the God of the Old Testament, then you worship a God who ordered genocide, and killed Babies. Period. Full stop.

So long as you worship a genocidal, baby killing God, and pretend that he isn't just that, and even call him a loving God, then you get to question the ethics, and morals of no one.

It's that simple.

God doesn't kill babies that is merely your misinterpretation. Fact is God said 'thou shall not kill' and Jesus reaffirmed this and told those who would hear that if they did they would possibly be in judgement for doing such. Your 'little ones' of hate that you store up in your mind keep you lost to understanding or comprehending the spirit of confusion in you.

You're right. He didn't kill them, personally - unless you include the flood, which most Christians agree is allegorical these days - he ordered his followers to do it for him. That makes him just as responsible.

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Sorry I don't buy your twisted version.

I have already posted again and again that Adam is speaking about the human. Adam means human. The whole Book both the Old Testament and the New Testament is talking about the spiritual hosts and what transpires with those heavenly and earthly host within each human.

What humans come up within their own corrupted minds and precepts goes back on the corrupt humans.

God is a spirit and Jesus is the Word that was with God from the beginning, that 'first born' when God created a body for the first- Man born. It was all created in the heavens and planted into earthen vessels of flesh where we humans now currently reside.

What's to "buy"? It's in black, and white. 1 Sam 15:3 - "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

Kinda hard to misinterpret that. The God of the Old Testament, quite specifically, commanded genocide, and the murder of babies. The God of the New Testament is the same God as the God of the Old Testament. Ergo, you still worship a God that commanded genocide, and killed babies. You can either ignore that, and admit that you do not believe the Bible, or you can insist that you believe the Bible, and acknowledge that you worship a genocidal, baby-killing God. The choice is yours. There is. No. Middle-ground.

There is no middle ground, just like Jesus did not give us middle ground either. Where your argument falls flat is your assumption that the command that was given was somehow justified as moral. Can you show me where that justification was made?

It was customary to dedicate an enemy to the deity, or to ban him, or after a victory to annihilate him. Various Near Eastern nations as well as of the Greeks, Romans, Celts, and Germans did this. But you keep ignoring the fact that it was never carried out, the Canaanites were not annihilated. In fact, in Judg. 3:1, God himself is said to have abrogated His original command.

That's rather what I said. There is no middle ground. Either the Bible is true, and accurate, in which case you worship a God who commanded genocide, and infanticide,. or you must, in some way, "interpret" the Old Testament such that 1 Sam 15:3 doesn't really say what it says, and doesn't really mean what it means.

I have never suggested that it was justified as moral. I, in fact, have maintained all along that there is no way that it can be justified as a moral command. It has been RodISHI who has been trying to insist that it only seems "immoral" because I am trying to judge an ancient people through the lens of the 21st century, as if there was some ancient code of morality that, somehow, made genocide, and infanticide okay. You are quite right. Most ancient civilisations did sacrifice their enemy warriors to their gods. Then they took the women, and children for themselves. Rarely did they kill the women, and almost never did they kill the children. It was, in fact, so unheard of that, typically, whenever a particular warlord behaved in this manor, all of the neighbouring lands would rise up against them in horror, and disgust. And I don't ignore that the command was never carried out. That fact is irrelevant. It only means that the Israelites were capable of higher moral behaviour than the very God they worshipped. You'll notice I didn't say that the Israelites committed genocide. I said the God you worship commanded genocide. You can try to argue around that reality all you like, it will not change that reality. Now, what that reality means for you, I leave to you. But the reality is what it is.

 

[Czernobog]

You read the last two paragraphs of that entry, right? The author basically said I'm right. The only way you get away from "We worship a god who commanded genocide" is to admit that, at the very least, the Old testament isn't true, and accurate. But, then, by by doing so, you forego any authority of divine inspiration.

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The reality is that you do not believe your own OP. You make these allegations to inflame and provoke Christians. It's what you do. I believe that you find it entertaining.

I do believe my own OP. The god you worship is a God who commanded Genocide. I do not have to worship that God, or even believe in that God to recognise that the text of your holy books quote the God that you worship commanding genocide. You presume that I have to believe in your God to recognise what your holy book claims your God said. I don't. I just have to be able to read.

I don't believe in Santa Claus either, but I know that, according to the poem, The Night Before Christmas, as he rode away, on his flying sleigh, he yelled, "Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!"

I don't have to believe in Santa Claus to know what was written about him. I just have to be able to read.

 

[Indeependent]

God doesn't kill babies that is merely your misinterpretation. Fact is God said 'thou shall not kill' and Jesus reaffirmed this and told those who would hear that if they did they would possibly be in judgement for doing such. Your 'little ones' of hate that you store up in your mind keep you lost to understanding or comprehending the spirit of confusion in you.

You're right. He didn't kill them, personally - unless you include the flood, which most Christians agree is allegorical these days - he ordered his followers to do it for him. That makes him just as responsible.

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Sorry I don't buy your twisted version.

I have already posted again and again that Adam is speaking about the human. Adam means human. The whole Book both the Old Testament and the New Testament is talking about the spiritual hosts and what transpires with those heavenly and earthly host within each human.

What humans come up within their own corrupted minds and precepts goes back on the corrupt humans.

God is a spirit and Jesus is the Word that was with God from the beginning, that 'first born' when God created a body for the first- Man born. It was all created in the heavens and planted into earthen vessels of flesh where we humans now currently reside.

What's to "buy"? It's in black, and white. 1 Sam 15:3 - "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

Kinda hard to misinterpret that. The God of the Old Testament, quite specifically, commanded genocide, and the murder of babies. The God of the New Testament is the same God as the God of the Old Testament. Ergo, you still worship a God that commanded genocide, and killed babies. You can either ignore that, and admit that you do not believe the Bible, or you can insist that you believe the Bible, and acknowledge that you worship a genocidal, baby-killing God. The choice is yours. There is. No. Middle-ground.

There is no middle ground, just like Jesus did not give us middle ground either. Where your argument falls flat is your assumption that the command that was given was somehow justified as moral. Can you show me where that justification was made?

It was customary to dedicate an enemy to the deity, or to ban him, or after a victory to annihilate him. Various Near Eastern nations as well as of the Greeks, Romans, Celts, and Germans did this. But you keep ignoring the fact that it was never carried out, the Canaanites were not annihilated. In fact, in Judg. 3:1, God himself is said to have abrogated His original command.

That's rather what I said. There is no middle ground. Either the Bible is true, and accurate, in which case you worship a God who commanded genocide, and infanticide,. or you must, in some way, "interpret" the Old Testament such that 1 Sam 15:3 doesn't really say what it says, and doesn't really mean what it means.

I have never suggested that it was justified as moral. I, in fact, have maintained all along that there is no way that it can be justified as a moral command. It has been RodISHI who has been trying to insist that it only seems "immoral" because I am trying to judge an ancient people through the lens of the 21st century, as if there was some ancient code of morality that, somehow, made genocide, and infanticide okay. You are quite right. Most ancient civilisations did sacrifice their enemy warriors to their gods. Then they took the women, and children for themselves. Rarely did they kill the women, and almost never did they kill the children. It was, in fact, so unheard of that, typically, whenever a particular warlord behaved in this manor, all of the neighbouring lands would rise up against them in horror, and disgust. And I don't ignore that the command was never carried out. That fact is irrelevant. It only means that the Israelites were capable of higher moral behaviour than the very God they worshipped. You'll notice I didn't say that the Israelites committed genocide. I said the God you worship commanded genocide. You can try to argue around that reality all you like, it will not change that reality. Now, what that reality means for you, I leave to you. But the reality is what it is.

Yadda, yadda, yadda...
Exterminating genocidal nations is, in God's infinite outlook, good for the human race.
I bet you root for ISIS.

 

[Czernobog]

Let's just put this to bed, once and for all. You can claim that Christianity is responsible for whatever you like, one glaring fact remains:

If you read the Bible, and believe it is true, then you know that you God kills babies.

Let us reiterate that: You worship a God who Kills. Babies.

Now, you can rationalise this any way you wish, but so long as you insist that the God of the New Testament is the same God, as the God of the Old Testament, then you worship a God who ordered genocide, and killed Babies. Period. Full stop.

So long as you worship a genocidal, baby killing God, and pretend that he isn't just that, and even call him a loving God, then you get to question the ethics, and morals of no one.

It's that simple.

The christian god doesn't just KILL babies. He tortures them. He's such a monster that he gives them the most horrendous birth defects and illnesses imaginable.

Actually, any human who could think up what god does to the most innocent among us .... Hmmm ... That human would also be created by their god.


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Well, it is our mission statement. At least we own it and don't deny it. We were told to spread the Good News. But let's be honest here there is a distribution for everything. Blanket statements do no one a service.

The issue is that Dr. Snooze is as big a preacher as anyone else.
As he sees it, if you don't conform with his worldview, you're an idiot.

You're right. He didn't kill them, personally - unless you include the flood, which most Christians agree is allegorical these days - he ordered his followers to do it for him. That makes him just as responsible.

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Sorry I don't buy your twisted version.

I have already posted again and again that Adam is speaking about the human. Adam means human. The whole Book both the Old Testament and the New Testament is talking about the spiritual hosts and what transpires with those heavenly and earthly host within each human.

What humans come up within their own corrupted minds and precepts goes back on the corrupt humans.

God is a spirit and Jesus is the Word that was with God from the beginning, that 'first born' when God created a body for the first- Man born. It was all created in the heavens and planted into earthen vessels of flesh where we humans now currently reside.

What's to "buy"? It's in black, and white. 1 Sam 15:3 - "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

Kinda hard to misinterpret that. The God of the Old Testament, quite specifically, commanded genocide, and the murder of babies. The God of the New Testament is the same God as the God of the Old Testament. Ergo, you still worship a God that commanded genocide, and killed babies. You can either ignore that, and admit that you do not believe the Bible, or you can insist that you believe the Bible, and acknowledge that you worship a genocidal, baby-killing God. The choice is yours. There is. No. Middle-ground.

There is no middle ground, just like Jesus did not give us middle ground either. Where your argument falls flat is your assumption that the command that was given was somehow justified as moral. Can you show me where that justification was made?

It was customary to dedicate an enemy to the deity, or to ban him, or after a victory to annihilate him. Various Near Eastern nations as well as of the Greeks, Romans, Celts, and Germans did this. But you keep ignoring the fact that it was never carried out, the Canaanites were not annihilated. In fact, in Judg. 3:1, God himself is said to have abrogated His original command.

That's rather what I said. There is no middle ground. Either the Bible is true, and accurate, in which case you worship a God who commanded genocide, and infanticide,. or you must, in some way, "interpret" the Old Testament such that 1 Sam 15:3 doesn't really say what it says, and doesn't really mean what it means.

I have never suggested that it was justified as moral. I, in fact, have maintained all along that there is no way that it can be justified as a moral command. It has been RodISHI who has been trying to insist that it only seems "immoral" because I am trying to judge an ancient people through the lens of the 21st century, as if there was some ancient code of morality that, somehow, made genocide, and infanticide okay. You are quite right. Most ancient civilisations did sacrifice their enemy warriors to their gods. Then they took the women, and children for themselves. Rarely did they kill the women, and almost never did they kill the children. It was, in fact, so unheard of that, typically, whenever a particular warlord behaved in this manor, all of the neighbouring lands would rise up against them in horror, and disgust. And I don't ignore that the command was never carried out. That fact is irrelevant. It only means that the Israelites were capable of higher moral behaviour than the very God they worshipped. You'll notice I didn't say that the Israelites committed genocide. I said the God you worship commanded genocide. You can try to argue around that reality all you like, it will not change that reality. Now, what that reality means for you, I leave to you. But the reality is what it is.

Yadda, yadda, yadda...
Exterminating genocidal nations is, in God's infinite outlook, good for the human race.
I bet you root for ISIS.

Nope. They're as bad as you guys. But, at least you're honest about it. "Genocide isn't evil when God commands it because...





...he's God."

It means that you happily worship a genocidal God, but, hey! At least you're honest about it. Even proud of it apparently.

 

[Indeependent]

Let's just put this to bed, once and for all. You can claim that Christianity is responsible for whatever you like, one glaring fact remains:

If you read the Bible, and believe it is true, then you know that you God kills babies.

Let us reiterate that: You worship a God who Kills. Babies.

Now, you can rationalise this any way you wish, but so long as you insist that the God of the New Testament is the same God, as the God of the Old Testament, then you worship a God who ordered genocide, and killed Babies. Period. Full stop.

So long as you worship a genocidal, baby killing God, and pretend that he isn't just that, and even call him a loving God, then you get to question the ethics, and morals of no one.

It's that simple.

The christian god doesn't just KILL babies. He tortures them. He's such a monster that he gives them the most horrendous birth defects and illnesses imaginable.

Actually, any human who could think up what god does to the most innocent among us .... Hmmm ... That human would also be created by their god.


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It is obvious that 2 groups of people foist their beliefs upon others...
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Well, it is our mission statement. At least we own it and don't deny it. We were told to spread the Good News. But let's be honest here there is a distribution for everything. Blanket statements do no one a service.

The issue is that Dr. Snooze is as big a preacher as anyone else.
As he sees it, if you don't conform with his worldview, you're an idiot.

Sorry I don't buy your twisted version.

I have already posted again and again that Adam is speaking about the human. Adam means human. The whole Book both the Old Testament and the New Testament is talking about the spiritual hosts and what transpires with those heavenly and earthly host within each human.

What humans come up within their own corrupted minds and precepts goes back on the corrupt humans.

God is a spirit and Jesus is the Word that was with God from the beginning, that 'first born' when God created a body for the first- Man born. It was all created in the heavens and planted into earthen vessels of flesh where we humans now currently reside.

What's to "buy"? It's in black, and white. 1 Sam 15:3 - "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

Kinda hard to misinterpret that. The God of the Old Testament, quite specifically, commanded genocide, and the murder of babies. The God of the New Testament is the same God as the God of the Old Testament. Ergo, you still worship a God that commanded genocide, and killed babies. You can either ignore that, and admit that you do not believe the Bible, or you can insist that you believe the Bible, and acknowledge that you worship a genocidal, baby-killing God. The choice is yours. There is. No. Middle-ground.

There is no middle ground, just like Jesus did not give us middle ground either. Where your argument falls flat is your assumption that the command that was given was somehow justified as moral. Can you show me where that justification was made?

It was customary to dedicate an enemy to the deity, or to ban him, or after a victory to annihilate him. Various Near Eastern nations as well as of the Greeks, Romans, Celts, and Germans did this. But you keep ignoring the fact that it was never carried out, the Canaanites were not annihilated. In fact, in Judg. 3:1, God himself is said to have abrogated His original command.

That's rather what I said. There is no middle ground. Either the Bible is true, and accurate, in which case you worship a God who commanded genocide, and infanticide,. or you must, in some way, "interpret" the Old Testament such that 1 Sam 15:3 doesn't really say what it says, and doesn't really mean what it means.

I have never suggested that it was justified as moral. I, in fact, have maintained all along that there is no way that it can be justified as a moral command. It has been RodISHI who has been trying to insist that it only seems "immoral" because I am trying to judge an ancient people through the lens of the 21st century, as if there was some ancient code of morality that, somehow, made genocide, and infanticide okay. You are quite right. Most ancient civilisations did sacrifice their enemy warriors to their gods. Then they took the women, and children for themselves. Rarely did they kill the women, and almost never did they kill the children. It was, in fact, so unheard of that, typically, whenever a particular warlord behaved in this manor, all of the neighbouring lands would rise up against them in horror, and disgust. And I don't ignore that the command was never carried out. That fact is irrelevant. It only means that the Israelites were capable of higher moral behaviour than the very God they worshipped. You'll notice I didn't say that the Israelites committed genocide. I said the God you worship commanded genocide. You can try to argue around that reality all you like, it will not change that reality. Now, what that reality means for you, I leave to you. But the reality is what it is.

Yadda, yadda, yadda...
Exterminating genocidal nations is, in God's infinite outlook, good for the human race.
I bet you root for ISIS.

Nope. They're as bad as you guys. But, at least you're honest about it. "Genocide isn't evil when God commands it because...





...he's God."

Now you got it.
Now get the fact that you're not God.

 

[Czernobog]

The christian god doesn't just KILL babies. He tortures them. He's such a monster that he gives them the most horrendous birth defects and illnesses imaginable.

Actually, any human who could think up what god does to the most innocent among us .... Hmmm ... That human would also be created by their god.


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It is obvious that 2 groups of people foist their beliefs upon others...
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Well, it is our mission statement. At least we own it and don't deny it. We were told to spread the Good News. But let's be honest here there is a distribution for everything. Blanket statements do no one a service.

The issue is that Dr. Snooze is as big a preacher as anyone else.
As he sees it, if you don't conform with his worldview, you're an idiot.

What's to "buy"? It's in black, and white. 1 Sam 15:3 - "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

Kinda hard to misinterpret that. The God of the Old Testament, quite specifically, commanded genocide, and the murder of babies. The God of the New Testament is the same God as the God of the Old Testament. Ergo, you still worship a God that commanded genocide, and killed babies. You can either ignore that, and admit that you do not believe the Bible, or you can insist that you believe the Bible, and acknowledge that you worship a genocidal, baby-killing God. The choice is yours. There is. No. Middle-ground.

There is no middle ground, just like Jesus did not give us middle ground either. Where your argument falls flat is your assumption that the command that was given was somehow justified as moral. Can you show me where that justification was made?

It was customary to dedicate an enemy to the deity, or to ban him, or after a victory to annihilate him. Various Near Eastern nations as well as of the Greeks, Romans, Celts, and Germans did this. But you keep ignoring the fact that it was never carried out, the Canaanites were not annihilated. In fact, in Judg. 3:1, God himself is said to have abrogated His original command.

That's rather what I said. There is no middle ground. Either the Bible is true, and accurate, in which case you worship a God who commanded genocide, and infanticide,. or you must, in some way, "interpret" the Old Testament such that 1 Sam 15:3 doesn't really say what it says, and doesn't really mean what it means.

I have never suggested that it was justified as moral. I, in fact, have maintained all along that there is no way that it can be justified as a moral command. It has been RodISHI who has been trying to insist that it only seems "immoral" because I am trying to judge an ancient people through the lens of the 21st century, as if there was some ancient code of morality that, somehow, made genocide, and infanticide okay. You are quite right. Most ancient civilisations did sacrifice their enemy warriors to their gods. Then they took the women, and children for themselves. Rarely did they kill the women, and almost never did they kill the children. It was, in fact, so unheard of that, typically, whenever a particular warlord behaved in this manor, all of the neighbouring lands would rise up against them in horror, and disgust. And I don't ignore that the command was never carried out. That fact is irrelevant. It only means that the Israelites were capable of higher moral behaviour than the very God they worshipped. You'll notice I didn't say that the Israelites committed genocide. I said the God you worship commanded genocide. You can try to argue around that reality all you like, it will not change that reality. Now, what that reality means for you, I leave to you. But the reality is what it is.

Yadda, yadda, yadda...
Exterminating genocidal nations is, in God's infinite outlook, good for the human race.
I bet you root for ISIS.

Nope. They're as bad as you guys. But, at least you're honest about it. "Genocide isn't evil when God commands it because...





...he's God."

Now you got it.
Now get the fact that you're not God.

No. Your God is EVIL. Genocide is EVIL. Your God is EVIL. And you are proud of the fact that you worship an EVIL GOD. Good for you.

 

[Indeependent]

It is obvious that 2 groups of people foist their beliefs upon others...
[] Christians
[] Atheists

Well, it is our mission statement. At least we own it and don't deny it. We were told to spread the Good News. But let's be honest here there is a distribution for everything. Blanket statements do no one a service.

The issue is that Dr. Snooze is as big a preacher as anyone else.
As he sees it, if you don't conform with his worldview, you're an idiot.

There is no middle ground, just like Jesus did not give us middle ground either. Where your argument falls flat is your assumption that the command that was given was somehow justified as moral. Can you show me where that justification was made?

It was customary to dedicate an enemy to the deity, or to ban him, or after a victory to annihilate him. Various Near Eastern nations as well as of the Greeks, Romans, Celts, and Germans did this. But you keep ignoring the fact that it was never carried out, the Canaanites were not annihilated. In fact, in Judg. 3:1, God himself is said to have abrogated His original command.

That's rather what I said. There is no middle ground. Either the Bible is true, and accurate, in which case you worship a God who commanded genocide, and infanticide,. or you must, in some way, "interpret" the Old Testament such that 1 Sam 15:3 doesn't really say what it says, and doesn't really mean what it means.

I have never suggested that it was justified as moral. I, in fact, have maintained all along that there is no way that it can be justified as a moral command. It has been RodISHI who has been trying to insist that it only seems "immoral" because I am trying to judge an ancient people through the lens of the 21st century, as if there was some ancient code of morality that, somehow, made genocide, and infanticide okay. You are quite right. Most ancient civilisations did sacrifice their enemy warriors to their gods. Then they took the women, and children for themselves. Rarely did they kill the women, and almost never did they kill the children. It was, in fact, so unheard of that, typically, whenever a particular warlord behaved in this manor, all of the neighbouring lands would rise up against them in horror, and disgust. And I don't ignore that the command was never carried out. That fact is irrelevant. It only means that the Israelites were capable of higher moral behaviour than the very God they worshipped. You'll notice I didn't say that the Israelites committed genocide. I said the God you worship commanded genocide. You can try to argue around that reality all you like, it will not change that reality. Now, what that reality means for you, I leave to you. But the reality is what it is.

Yadda, yadda, yadda...
Exterminating genocidal nations is, in God's infinite outlook, good for the human race.
I bet you root for ISIS.

Nope. They're as bad as you guys. But, at least you're honest about it. "Genocide isn't evil when God commands it because...





...he's God."

Now you got it.
Now get the fact that you're not God.

No. Your God is EVIL. Genocide is EVIL. Your God is EVIL. And you are proud of the fact that you worship an EVIL GOD. Good for you.

I guess you haven't spent much time in an Orthodox Jewish Community.

 

[Czernobog]

Well, it is our mission statement. At least we own it and don't deny it. We were told to spread the Good News. But let's be honest here there is a distribution for everything. Blanket statements do no one a service.

The issue is that Dr. Snooze is as big a preacher as anyone else.
As he sees it, if you don't conform with his worldview, you're an idiot.

That's rather what I said. There is no middle ground. Either the Bible is true, and accurate, in which case you worship a God who commanded genocide, and infanticide,. or you must, in some way, "interpret" the Old Testament such that 1 Sam 15:3 doesn't really say what it says, and doesn't really mean what it means.

I have never suggested that it was justified as moral. I, in fact, have maintained all along that there is no way that it can be justified as a moral command. It has been RodISHI who has been trying to insist that it only seems "immoral" because I am trying to judge an ancient people through the lens of the 21st century, as if there was some ancient code of morality that, somehow, made genocide, and infanticide okay. You are quite right. Most ancient civilisations did sacrifice their enemy warriors to their gods. Then they took the women, and children for themselves. Rarely did they kill the women, and almost never did they kill the children. It was, in fact, so unheard of that, typically, whenever a particular warlord behaved in this manor, all of the neighbouring lands would rise up against them in horror, and disgust. And I don't ignore that the command was never carried out. That fact is irrelevant. It only means that the Israelites were capable of higher moral behaviour than the very God they worshipped. You'll notice I didn't say that the Israelites committed genocide. I said the God you worship commanded genocide. You can try to argue around that reality all you like, it will not change that reality. Now, what that reality means for you, I leave to you. But the reality is what it is.

Yadda, yadda, yadda...
Exterminating genocidal nations is, in God's infinite outlook, good for the human race.
I bet you root for ISIS.

Nope. They're as bad as you guys. But, at least you're honest about it. "Genocide isn't evil when God commands it because...





...he's God."

Now you got it.
Now get the fact that you're not God.

No. Your God is EVIL. Genocide is EVIL. Your God is EVIL. And you are proud of the fact that you worship an EVIL GOD. Good for you.

I guess you haven't spent much time in an Orthodox Jewish Community.

Evil is Evil. Just because your God did it does not make it suddenly not evil, no matter how irrationally you might think it does.

You are proud of the fact that you worship an evil God. The irony is that you are a Orthodox Jew with this attitude. After the Holocaust, if any group of people should be particularly horrified at the thought of genocide, regardless of the source, it should be Jews.

 

[Indeependent]

The issue is that Dr. Snooze is as big a preacher as anyone else.
As he sees it, if you don't conform with his worldview, you're an idiot.

Yadda, yadda, yadda...
Exterminating genocidal nations is, in God's infinite outlook, good for the human race.
I bet you root for ISIS.

Nope. They're as bad as you guys. But, at least you're honest about it. "Genocide isn't evil when God commands it because...





...he's God."

Now you got it.
Now get the fact that you're not God.

No. Your God is EVIL. Genocide is EVIL. Your God is EVIL. And you are proud of the fact that you worship an EVIL GOD. Good for you.

I guess you haven't spent much time in an Orthodox Jewish Community.

Evil is Evil. Just because your God did it does not make it suddenly not evil, no matter how irrationally you might think it does.

You are proud of the fact that you worship an evil God. The irony is that you are a Orthodox Jew with this attitude. After the Holocaust, if any group of people should be particularly horrified at the thought of genocide, regardless of the source, it should be Jews.

The Holocaust is irrelevant to this discussion because God never sanctioned exterminating a non-genocidal nation.
I thought your anti-God sites would have told you this, doc.

 

[ding]

God doesn't kill babies that is merely your misinterpretation. Fact is God said 'thou shall not kill' and Jesus reaffirmed this and told those who would hear that if they did they would possibly be in judgement for doing such. Your 'little ones' of hate that you store up in your mind keep you lost to understanding or comprehending the spirit of confusion in you.

You're right. He didn't kill them, personally - unless you include the flood, which most Christians agree is allegorical these days - he ordered his followers to do it for him. That makes him just as responsible.

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Sorry I don't buy your twisted version.

I have already posted again and again that Adam is speaking about the human. Adam means human. The whole Book both the Old Testament and the New Testament is talking about the spiritual hosts and what transpires with those heavenly and earthly host within each human.

What humans come up within their own corrupted minds and precepts goes back on the corrupt humans.

God is a spirit and Jesus is the Word that was with God from the beginning, that 'first born' when God created a body for the first- Man born. It was all created in the heavens and planted into earthen vessels of flesh where we humans now currently reside.

What's to "buy"? It's in black, and white. 1 Sam 15:3 - "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

Kinda hard to misinterpret that. The God of the Old Testament, quite specifically, commanded genocide, and the murder of babies. The God of the New Testament is the same God as the God of the Old Testament. Ergo, you still worship a God that commanded genocide, and killed babies. You can either ignore that, and admit that you do not believe the Bible, or you can insist that you believe the Bible, and acknowledge that you worship a genocidal, baby-killing God. The choice is yours. There is. No. Middle-ground.

There is no middle ground, just like Jesus did not give us middle ground either. Where your argument falls flat is your assumption that the command that was given was somehow justified as moral. Can you show me where that justification was made?

It was customary to dedicate an enemy to the deity, or to ban him, or after a victory to annihilate him. Various Near Eastern nations as well as of the Greeks, Romans, Celts, and Germans did this. But you keep ignoring the fact that it was never carried out, the Canaanites were not annihilated. In fact, in Judg. 3:1, God himself is said to have abrogated His original command.

That's rather what I said. There is no middle ground. Either the Bible is true, and accurate, in which case you worship a God who commanded genocide, and infanticide,. or you must, in some way, "interpret" the Old Testament such that 1 Sam 15:3 doesn't really say what it says, and doesn't really mean what it means.

I have never suggested that it was justified as moral. I, in fact, have maintained all along that there is no way that it can be justified as a moral command. It has been RodISHI who has been trying to insist that it only seems "immoral" because I am trying to judge an ancient people through the lens of the 21st century, as if there was some ancient code of morality that, somehow, made genocide, and infanticide okay. You are quite right. Most ancient civilisations did sacrifice their enemy warriors to their gods. Then they took the women, and children for themselves. Rarely did they kill the women, and almost never did they kill the children. It was, in fact, so unheard of that, typically, whenever a particular warlord behaved in this manor, all of the neighbouring lands would rise up against them in horror, and disgust. And I don't ignore that the command was never carried out. That fact is irrelevant. It only means that the Israelites were capable of higher moral behaviour than the very God they worshipped. You'll notice I didn't say that the Israelites committed genocide. I said the God you worship commanded genocide. You can try to argue around that reality all you like, it will not change that reality. Now, what that reality means for you, I leave to you. But the reality is what it is.

Ummmm... in the time of Confucius they would boil their enemies alive and feed the soup to the families of their enemies. I don't think killing women and children was a big deal to them. Neighbouring lands would rise up against them in horror, and disgust? Talk about fairy tales. Did you just use the British spelling of neighboring and behavior? Man, that explains a lot. You really are a pussy.

The fact that the command was never carried out is not irrelevant, especially in light of Judg. 3:1. The Word of God is inspired by the Holy Spirit but written by men. God didn't change His mind. I'll leave that for you to figure out what that means.

 

[Czernobog]

Nope. They're as bad as you guys. But, at least you're honest about it. "Genocide isn't evil when God commands it because...





...he's God."

Now you got it.
Now get the fact that you're not God.

No. Your God is EVIL. Genocide is EVIL. Your God is EVIL. And you are proud of the fact that you worship an EVIL GOD. Good for you.

I guess you haven't spent much time in an Orthodox Jewish Community.

Evil is Evil. Just because your God did it does not make it suddenly not evil, no matter how irrationally you might think it does.

You are proud of the fact that you worship an evil God. The irony is that you are a Orthodox Jew with this attitude. After the Holocaust, if any group of people should be particularly horrified at the thought of genocide, regardless of the source, it should be Jews.

The Holocaust is irrelevant to this discussion because God never sanctioned exterminating a non-genocidal nation.
I thought your anti-God sites would have told you this, doc.

"They did it first,"?!?!? Really?!?!? Ya know what? For you that actually makes sense. After all, you guys are all about that "eye for an eye" thing. So, I can see you extending that to "You kill our kids, we'll kill yours". Now, Christians, on the other hand, are supposed to live according to an entirely different standard. So that whole "They did it first" argument really wouldn't work for them. But, for the Jews, I can see where you would justify it like that. Don't misunderstand me; it makes it no less evil, but, it does, at least, fall within your moral code.

I would just say that a moral code that can justify genocide is...questionable, at best.

 

[Indeependent]

Now you got it.
Now get the fact that you're not God.

No. Your God is EVIL. Genocide is EVIL. Your God is EVIL. And you are proud of the fact that you worship an EVIL GOD. Good for you.

I guess you haven't spent much time in an Orthodox Jewish Community.

Evil is Evil. Just because your God did it does not make it suddenly not evil, no matter how irrationally you might think it does.

You are proud of the fact that you worship an evil God. The irony is that you are a Orthodox Jew with this attitude. After the Holocaust, if any group of people should be particularly horrified at the thought of genocide, regardless of the source, it should be Jews.

The Holocaust is irrelevant to this discussion because God never sanctioned exterminating a non-genocidal nation.
I thought your anti-God sites would have told you this, doc.

"They did it first,"?!?!? Really?!?!? Ya know what? For you that actually makes sense. After all, you guys are all about that "eye for an eye" thing. So, I can see you extending that to "You kill our kids, we'll kill yours". Now, Christians, on the other hand, are supposed to live according to an entirely different standard. So that whole "They did it first" argument really wouldn't work for them. But, for the Jews, I can see where you would justify it like that. Don't misunderstand me; it makes it no less evil, but, it does, at least, fall within your moral code.

I would just say that a moral code that can justify genocide is...questionable, at best.

This posting of yours just jumped off the track.
Committing genocide against a genocidal nation is justified in God's eyes.
But you feel sorry for murderers because you drug them for money.
Presuming you're not a patient in a mental asylum.

 

[ding]

Now you got it.
Now get the fact that you're not God.

No. Your God is EVIL. Genocide is EVIL. Your God is EVIL. And you are proud of the fact that you worship an EVIL GOD. Good for you.

I guess you haven't spent much time in an Orthodox Jewish Community.

Evil is Evil. Just because your God did it does not make it suddenly not evil, no matter how irrationally you might think it does.

You are proud of the fact that you worship an evil God. The irony is that you are a Orthodox Jew with this attitude. After the Holocaust, if any group of people should be particularly horrified at the thought of genocide, regardless of the source, it should be Jews.

The Holocaust is irrelevant to this discussion because God never sanctioned exterminating a non-genocidal nation.
I thought your anti-God sites would have told you this, doc.

"They did it first,"?!?!? Really?!?!? Ya know what? For you that actually makes sense. After all, you guys are all about that "eye for an eye" thing. So, I can see you extending that to "You kill our kids, we'll kill yours". Now, Christians, on the other hand, are supposed to live according to an entirely different standard. So that whole "They did it first" argument really wouldn't work for them. But, for the Jews, I can see where you would justify it like that. Don't misunderstand me; it makes it no less evil, but, it does, at least, fall within your moral code.

I would just say that a moral code that can justify genocide is...questionable, at best.

You act like genocide was unheard of 3000 years ago. It wasn't. It was a brutal world. The "they did it first argument" doesn't work if they had killed them all. Don't kid yourself about Christians, we are more than happy to take an eye for an eye. The meek will inherit the earth, you just don't understand what meek means. I've had this conversation with you before, it is wrong to end a human life for any reason. That doesn't mean that lives won't be taken. It means that rationalizations that taking those lives was moral should not be made. For when one does the bar begins to be lowered incrementally until one day you justify putting people in ovens and killing the unborn. Of which you only see one of those as being wrong.

 

[Indeependent]

No. Your God is EVIL. Genocide is EVIL. Your God is EVIL. And you are proud of the fact that you worship an EVIL GOD. Good for you.

I guess you haven't spent much time in an Orthodox Jewish Community.

Evil is Evil. Just because your God did it does not make it suddenly not evil, no matter how irrationally you might think it does.

You are proud of the fact that you worship an evil God. The irony is that you are a Orthodox Jew with this attitude. After the Holocaust, if any group of people should be particularly horrified at the thought of genocide, regardless of the source, it should be Jews.

The Holocaust is irrelevant to this discussion because God never sanctioned exterminating a non-genocidal nation.
I thought your anti-God sites would have told you this, doc.

"They did it first,"?!?!? Really?!?!? Ya know what? For you that actually makes sense. After all, you guys are all about that "eye for an eye" thing. So, I can see you extending that to "You kill our kids, we'll kill yours". Now, Christians, on the other hand, are supposed to live according to an entirely different standard. So that whole "They did it first" argument really wouldn't work for them. But, for the Jews, I can see where you would justify it like that. Don't misunderstand me; it makes it no less evil, but, it does, at least, fall within your moral code.

I would just say that a moral code that can justify genocide is...questionable, at best.

You act like genocide was unheard of 3000 years ago. It wasn't. It was a brutal world. The "they did it first argument" doesn't work if they had killed them all. Don't kid yourself about Christians, we are more than happy to take an eye for an eye. The meek will inherit the earth, you just don't understand what meek means. I've had this conversation with you before, it is wrong to end a human life for any reason. That doesn't mean that lives won't be taken. It means that rationalizations that taking those lives was moral should not be made. For when one does the bar begins to be lowered incrementally until one day you justify putting people in ovens and killing the unborn. Of which you only see one of those as being wrong.

Snooze will simply start this thread again in a few days.
We really have to find out what mental institution he's in.

 

[Czernobog]

You're right. He didn't kill them, personally - unless you include the flood, which most Christians agree is allegorical these days - he ordered his followers to do it for him. That makes him just as responsible.

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Sorry I don't buy your twisted version.

I have already posted again and again that Adam is speaking about the human. Adam means human. The whole Book both the Old Testament and the New Testament is talking about the spiritual hosts and what transpires with those heavenly and earthly host within each human.

What humans come up within their own corrupted minds and precepts goes back on the corrupt humans.

God is a spirit and Jesus is the Word that was with God from the beginning, that 'first born' when God created a body for the first- Man born. It was all created in the heavens and planted into earthen vessels of flesh where we humans now currently reside.

What's to "buy"? It's in black, and white. 1 Sam 15:3 - "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

Kinda hard to misinterpret that. The God of the Old Testament, quite specifically, commanded genocide, and the murder of babies. The God of the New Testament is the same God as the God of the Old Testament. Ergo, you still worship a God that commanded genocide, and killed babies. You can either ignore that, and admit that you do not believe the Bible, or you can insist that you believe the Bible, and acknowledge that you worship a genocidal, baby-killing God. The choice is yours. There is. No. Middle-ground.

There is no middle ground, just like Jesus did not give us middle ground either. Where your argument falls flat is your assumption that the command that was given was somehow justified as moral. Can you show me where that justification was made?

It was customary to dedicate an enemy to the deity, or to ban him, or after a victory to annihilate him. Various Near Eastern nations as well as of the Greeks, Romans, Celts, and Germans did this. But you keep ignoring the fact that it was never carried out, the Canaanites were not annihilated. In fact, in Judg. 3:1, God himself is said to have abrogated His original command.

That's rather what I said. There is no middle ground. Either the Bible is true, and accurate, in which case you worship a God who commanded genocide, and infanticide,. or you must, in some way, "interpret" the Old Testament such that 1 Sam 15:3 doesn't really say what it says, and doesn't really mean what it means.

I have never suggested that it was justified as moral. I, in fact, have maintained all along that there is no way that it can be justified as a moral command. It has been RodISHI who has been trying to insist that it only seems "immoral" because I am trying to judge an ancient people through the lens of the 21st century, as if there was some ancient code of morality that, somehow, made genocide, and infanticide okay. You are quite right. Most ancient civilisations did sacrifice their enemy warriors to their gods. Then they took the women, and children for themselves. Rarely did they kill the women, and almost never did they kill the children. It was, in fact, so unheard of that, typically, whenever a particular warlord behaved in this manor, all of the neighbouring lands would rise up against them in horror, and disgust. And I don't ignore that the command was never carried out. That fact is irrelevant. It only means that the Israelites were capable of higher moral behaviour than the very God they worshipped. You'll notice I didn't say that the Israelites committed genocide. I said the God you worship commanded genocide. You can try to argue around that reality all you like, it will not change that reality. Now, what that reality means for you, I leave to you. But the reality is what it is.

Ummmm... in the time of Confucius they would boil their enemies alive and feed the soup to the families of their enemies. I don't think killing women and children was a big deal to them. Neighbouring lands would rise up against them in horror, and disgust? Talk about fairy tales. Did you just use the British spelling of neighboring and behavior? Man, that explains a lot. You really are a pussy.

Pussy? My, my. Do you pray with your pastor with that mouth!

The fact that the command was never carried out is not irrelevant, especially in light of Judg. 3:1. The Word of God is inspired by the Holy Spirit but written by men. God didn't change His mind. I'll leave that for you to figure out what that means.

Yeah...that doesn't work the way you think it does. Because that means the "men heard it wrong", so they "wrote it down wrong". Okay. That means that there are mistakes in the "inspired Word of God". Which means that any, or all of it can be mistaken. It means that none of it can be trusted. Either it is all trustworthy, or none of it is trustworthy. You don't get to half-ass it, and say "Well, those parts that we like are trustworthy, and those parts we don't were just men who misunderstood what God was saying,". Because the minute you open that door, that means that anyone with an agenda can use that exact same argument to pick and choose which parts of the Bible matter.

 

[ding]

Now you got it.
Now get the fact that you're not God.

No. Your God is EVIL. Genocide is EVIL. Your God is EVIL. And you are proud of the fact that you worship an EVIL GOD. Good for you.

I guess you haven't spent much time in an Orthodox Jewish Community.

Evil is Evil. Just because your God did it does not make it suddenly not evil, no matter how irrationally you might think it does.

You are proud of the fact that you worship an evil God. The irony is that you are a Orthodox Jew with this attitude. After the Holocaust, if any group of people should be particularly horrified at the thought of genocide, regardless of the source, it should be Jews.

The Holocaust is irrelevant to this discussion because God never sanctioned exterminating a non-genocidal nation.
I thought your anti-God sites would have told you this, doc.

"They did it first,"?!?!? Really?!?!? Ya know what? For you that actually makes sense. After all, you guys are all about that "eye for an eye" thing. So, I can see you extending that to "You kill our kids, we'll kill yours". Now, Christians, on the other hand, are supposed to live according to an entirely different standard. So that whole "They did it first" argument really wouldn't work for them. But, for the Jews, I can see where you would justify it like that. Don't misunderstand me; it makes it no less evil, but, it does, at least, fall within your moral code.

I would just say that a moral code that can justify genocide is...questionable, at best.

No offense, you have no basis for evil. You don't believe in it. I do. All you can have are preferences. Preferences which can change.

 

[Czernobog]

No. Your God is EVIL. Genocide is EVIL. Your God is EVIL. And you are proud of the fact that you worship an EVIL GOD. Good for you.

I guess you haven't spent much time in an Orthodox Jewish Community.

Evil is Evil. Just because your God did it does not make it suddenly not evil, no matter how irrationally you might think it does.

You are proud of the fact that you worship an evil God. The irony is that you are a Orthodox Jew with this attitude. After the Holocaust, if any group of people should be particularly horrified at the thought of genocide, regardless of the source, it should be Jews.

The Holocaust is irrelevant to this discussion because God never sanctioned exterminating a non-genocidal nation.
I thought your anti-God sites would have told you this, doc.

"They did it first,"?!?!? Really?!?!? Ya know what? For you that actually makes sense. After all, you guys are all about that "eye for an eye" thing. So, I can see you extending that to "You kill our kids, we'll kill yours". Now, Christians, on the other hand, are supposed to live according to an entirely different standard. So that whole "They did it first" argument really wouldn't work for them. But, for the Jews, I can see where you would justify it like that. Don't misunderstand me; it makes it no less evil, but, it does, at least, fall within your moral code.

I would just say that a moral code that can justify genocide is...questionable, at best.

You act like genocide was unheard of 3000 years ago. It wasn't. It was a brutal world. The "they did it first argument" doesn't work if they had killed them all. Don't kid yourself about Christians, we are more than happy to take an eye for an eye. The meek will inherit the earth, you just don't understand what meek means. I've had this conversation with you before, it is wrong to end a human life for any reason. That doesn't mean that lives won't be taken. It means that rationalizations that taking those lives was moral should not be made. For when one does the bar begins to be lowered incrementally until one day you justify putting people in ovens and killing the unborn. Of which you only see one of those as being wrong.

So, you, too, open, acknowledge that you worship an evil God, and you're proud of it. Got it.

 

[Indeependent]

I guess you haven't spent much time in an Orthodox Jewish Community.

Evil is Evil. Just because your God did it does not make it suddenly not evil, no matter how irrationally you might think it does.

You are proud of the fact that you worship an evil God. The irony is that you are a Orthodox Jew with this attitude. After the Holocaust, if any group of people should be particularly horrified at the thought of genocide, regardless of the source, it should be Jews.

The Holocaust is irrelevant to this discussion because God never sanctioned exterminating a non-genocidal nation.
I thought your anti-God sites would have told you this, doc.

"They did it first,"?!?!? Really?!?!? Ya know what? For you that actually makes sense. After all, you guys are all about that "eye for an eye" thing. So, I can see you extending that to "You kill our kids, we'll kill yours". Now, Christians, on the other hand, are supposed to live according to an entirely different standard. So that whole "They did it first" argument really wouldn't work for them. But, for the Jews, I can see where you would justify it like that. Don't misunderstand me; it makes it no less evil, but, it does, at least, fall within your moral code.

I would just say that a moral code that can justify genocide is...questionable, at best.

You act like genocide was unheard of 3000 years ago. It wasn't. It was a brutal world. The "they did it first argument" doesn't work if they had killed them all. Don't kid yourself about Christians, we are more than happy to take an eye for an eye. The meek will inherit the earth, you just don't understand what meek means. I've had this conversation with you before, it is wrong to end a human life for any reason. That doesn't mean that lives won't be taken. It means that rationalizations that taking those lives was moral should not be made. For when one does the bar begins to be lowered incrementally until one day you justify putting people in ovens and killing the unborn. Of which you only see one of those as being wrong.

So, you, too, open, acknowledge that you worship an evil God, and you're proud of it. Got it.

I acknowledge that you possess no timeless moral grounding.
You are subject to the whims of society.