Christianity Defined

[defcon4]

No salient response... just a diversion through pedantry. Bravo. :golfclap:

Look below. I see no diversion in my answer

Which is to say your God cannot have any direct effect what-so-ever upon real entities.

. You're not going to admit that your God is primarily powerless in reality.

since that's just the same as admitting that your dopey God is entirely imaginary.

Who said I have a God? I have never claimed to have a God.

 

[LOki]

No salient response... just a diversion through pedantry. Bravo. :golfclap:

Look below. I see no diversion in my answer

Which is to say your God cannot have any direct effect what-so-ever upon real entities.

. You're not going to admit that your God is primarily powerless in reality.

since that's just the same as admitting that your dopey God is entirely imaginary.

Who said I have a God? I have never claimed to have a God.

Right.

No response to what I said, beside some pedantic diversion regarding my use of "your."

You may now thank me for exposing your dumb as requested.

You're welcome in advance.

 

[Bonzi]

You took your God out of the equation, not me. Check above.

I'm all for you doing so...don't get me wrong about that.

I assume you're a devotional of this infant murdering God of human torture and misery, based upon your defense of Him. If I'm wrong allow me to apologize first.

But if I am right in assuming, then I propose to you that if you are not yourself some kind of bloodthirsty sadist, perhaps your devotion to your evil God is misplaced.

And if there is no other God to devote yourself to, then let me suggest that being devoted to anything other than the vanity of some divine tyrant might be something worth exploring--it could likely make you a far better human being.

I did, but then you put Him back in. Either way....

Like I said, God called for the murder of entire groups of people, and, the infants and children are in heavenly glory with Him.

Irrelevant to your God being a murderer.

That His victims "are in heavenly glory with" their murderer in no way changes the crime He committed.

You see, ANY murder can claim that their victims are also in heavenly glory with Him, and no one gets a pass for that.

If you believe in God, a God that is perfect, he would never do anything wrong or sinful.

This is retarded for OBVIOUS reasons.

Entirely meaningless.

I have given explanations in the past about this, and will do so again - although it is a waste of time because in your mind, the killing of anyone you PERCEIVE as innocent is wrong no matter what the explanation is.

You're just making this shit up.

It's an exercise in futility.

Maybe it wouldn't be if you could manage to present a cogent point.

God’s grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children,...

And this makes it OK to murder them? Really?

... the death of these children was actually their salvation.

REALLY?!?!?!

So, you're saying that murdering small children and infants is really just "saving" them?

Sounds to me like a perverse rationalization for cold-blooded murder.

CONGRATULATIONS! You have earned your blood-thirsty psychopath credentials. Turn yourself in IMMEDIATELY for permanent confinement, in the interest of the safety of small children and infants.

Thank you.

We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven’s incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives

Great. You've just made my case....AGAIN!

I roundly reject your blood-thirsty and sadistic religion of human sacrifice. I am an enemy to your tyrannical "God" of torture and human suffering.

AND I SWEAR, if you offer me salvation through the blood of of the Lord, Jesus Christ(TM), I'll say "NO THANK YOU" to this offer to expunge my "sins" in the blood of an innocent--nor shall I place upon him the burdens of sins he has not committed. In other words, I refuse to make a sacrificial animal of any human being -- including Jesus.

You value humans more than God.
That is normal for secular people.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You took your God out of the equation, not me. Check above.

I'm all for you doing so...don't get me wrong about that.

I assume you're a devotional of this infant murdering God of human torture and misery, based upon your defense of Him. If I'm wrong allow me to apologize first.

But if I am right in assuming, then I propose to you that if you are not yourself some kind of bloodthirsty sadist, perhaps your devotion to your evil God is misplaced.

And if there is no other God to devote yourself to, then let me suggest that being devoted to anything other than the vanity of some divine tyrant might be something worth exploring--it could likely make you a far better human being.

I did, but then you put Him back in. Either way....

Like I said, God called for the murder of entire groups of people, and, the infants and children are in heavenly glory with Him.

Irrelevant to your God being a murderer.

That His victims "are in heavenly glory with" their murderer in no way changes the crime He committed.

You see, ANY murder can claim that their victims are also in heavenly glory with Him, and no one gets a pass for that.

If you believe in God, a God that is perfect, he would never do anything wrong or sinful.

This is retarded for OBVIOUS reasons.

Entirely meaningless.

I have given explanations in the past about this, and will do so again - although it is a waste of time because in your mind, the killing of anyone you PERCEIVE as innocent is wrong no matter what the explanation is.

You're just making this shit up.

It's an exercise in futility.

Maybe it wouldn't be if you could manage to present a cogent point.

God’s grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children,...

And this makes it OK to murder them? Really?

... the death of these children was actually their salvation.

REALLY?!?!?!

So, you're saying that murdering small children and infants is really just "saving" them?

Sounds to me like a perverse rationalization for cold-blooded murder.

CONGRATULATIONS! You have earned your blood-thirsty psychopath credentials. Turn yourself in IMMEDIATELY for permanent confinement, in the interest of the safety of small children and infants.

Thank you.

We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven’s incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives

Great. You've just made my case....AGAIN!

I roundly reject your blood-thirsty and sadistic religion of human sacrifice. I am an enemy to your tyrannical "God" of torture and human suffering.

AND I SWEAR, if you offer me salvation through the blood of of the Lord, Jesus Christ(TM), I'll say "NO THANK YOU" to this offer to expunge my "sins" in the blood of an innocent--nor shall I place upon him the burdens of sins he has not committed. In other words, I refuse to make a sacrificial animal of any human being -- including Jesus.

You value humans more than God.
That is normal for secular people.

Some people who are spiritually aware understand that we are ALL a small piece of God. Matter of fact, there are references in the Bible that we are His hands and feet.

If you have that understanding, you value humans as well as value God. Jesus Himself even said "love God above all, and love one another as you love God", meaning we should love our fellow humans as much as we (supposedly) love God.

I have that understanding, I just wish more people did.

 

[Bonzi]

You took your God out of the equation, not me. Check above.

I'm all for you doing so...don't get me wrong about that.

I assume you're a devotional of this infant murdering God of human torture and misery, based upon your defense of Him. If I'm wrong allow me to apologize first.

But if I am right in assuming, then I propose to you that if you are not yourself some kind of bloodthirsty sadist, perhaps your devotion to your evil God is misplaced.

And if there is no other God to devote yourself to, then let me suggest that being devoted to anything other than the vanity of some divine tyrant might be something worth exploring--it could likely make you a far better human being.

There is a hole in every human only God can fill. That's how I think of it. Because he created us, it's there.
I did, but then you put Him back in. Either way....

Like I said, God called for the murder of entire groups of people, and, the infants and children are in heavenly glory with Him.

Irrelevant to your God being a murderer.

That His victims "are in heavenly glory with" their murderer in no way changes the crime He committed.

You see, ANY murder can claim that their victims are also in heavenly glory with Him, and no one gets a pass for that.

If you believe in God, a God that is perfect, he would never do anything wrong or sinful.

This is retarded for OBVIOUS reasons.

Entirely meaningless.

I have given explanations in the past about this, and will do so again - although it is a waste of time because in your mind, the killing of anyone you PERCEIVE as innocent is wrong no matter what the explanation is.

You're just making this shit up.

It's an exercise in futility.

Maybe it wouldn't be if you could manage to present a cogent point.

God’s grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children,...

And this makes it OK to murder them? Really?

... the death of these children was actually their salvation.

REALLY?!?!?!

So, you're saying that murdering small children and infants is really just "saving" them?

Sounds to me like a perverse rationalization for cold-blooded murder.

CONGRATULATIONS! You have earned your blood-thirsty psychopath credentials. Turn yourself in IMMEDIATELY for permanent confinement, in the interest of the safety of small children and infants.

Thank you.

We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven’s incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives

Great. You've just made my case....AGAIN!

I roundly reject your blood-thirsty and sadistic religion of human sacrifice. I am an enemy to your tyrannical "God" of torture and human suffering.

AND I SWEAR, if you offer me salvation through the blood of of the Lord, Jesus Christ(TM), I'll say "NO THANK YOU" to this offer to expunge my "sins" in the blood of an innocent--nor shall I place upon him the burdens of sins he has not committed. In other words, I refuse to make a sacrificial animal of any human being -- including Jesus.

You value humans more than God.
That is normal for secular people.

Some people who are spiritually aware understand that we are ALL a small piece of God. Matter of fact, there are references in the Bible that we are His hands and feet.

If you have that understanding, you value humans as well as value God. Jesus Himself even said "love God above all, and love one another as you love God", meaning we should love our fellow humans as much as we (supposedly) love God.

I have that understanding, I just wish more people did.

 

[LOki]

You took your God out of the equation, not me. Check above.

I'm all for you doing so...don't get me wrong about that.

I assume you're a devotional of this infant murdering God of human torture and misery, based upon your defense of Him. If I'm wrong allow me to apologize first.

But if I am right in assuming, then I propose to you that if you are not yourself some kind of bloodthirsty sadist, perhaps your devotion to your evil God is misplaced.

And if there is no other God to devote yourself to, then let me suggest that being devoted to anything other than the vanity of some divine tyrant might be something worth exploring--it could likely make you a far better human being.

I did, but then you put Him back in. Either way....

Like I said, God called for the murder of entire groups of people, and, the infants and children are in heavenly glory with Him.

Irrelevant to your God being a murderer.

That His victims "are in heavenly glory with" their murderer in no way changes the crime He committed.

You see, ANY murder can claim that their victims are also in heavenly glory with Him, and no one gets a pass for that.

If you believe in God, a God that is perfect, he would never do anything wrong or sinful.

This is retarded for OBVIOUS reasons.

Entirely meaningless.

I have given explanations in the past about this, and will do so again - although it is a waste of time because in your mind, the killing of anyone you PERCEIVE as innocent is wrong no matter what the explanation is.

You're just making this shit up.

It's an exercise in futility.

Maybe it wouldn't be if you could manage to present a cogent point.

God’s grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children,...

And this makes it OK to murder them? Really?

... the death of these children was actually their salvation.

REALLY?!?!?!

So, you're saying that murdering small children and infants is really just "saving" them?

Sounds to me like a perverse rationalization for cold-blooded murder.

CONGRATULATIONS! You have earned your blood-thirsty psychopath credentials. Turn yourself in IMMEDIATELY for permanent confinement, in the interest of the safety of small children and infants.

Thank you.

We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven’s incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives

Great. You've just made my case....AGAIN!

I roundly reject your blood-thirsty and sadistic religion of human sacrifice. I am an enemy to your tyrannical "God" of torture and human suffering.

AND I SWEAR, if you offer me salvation through the blood of of the Lord, Jesus Christ(TM), I'll say "NO THANK YOU" to this offer to expunge my "sins" in the blood of an innocent--nor shall I place upon him the burdens of sins he has not committed. In other words, I refuse to make a sacrificial animal of any human being -- including Jesus.

You value humans more than God.
That is normal for secular people.

No. It's normal for good people.

 

[LOki]

You took your God out of the equation, not me. Check above.

I'm all for you doing so...don't get me wrong about that.

I assume you're a devotional of this infant murdering God of human torture and misery, based upon your defense of Him. If I'm wrong allow me to apologize first.

But if I am right in assuming, then I propose to you that if you are not yourself some kind of bloodthirsty sadist, perhaps your devotion to your evil God is misplaced.

And if there is no other God to devote yourself to, then let me suggest that being devoted to anything other than the vanity of some divine tyrant might be something worth exploring--it could likely make you a far better human being.

I did, but then you put Him back in. Either way....

Like I said, God called for the murder of entire groups of people, and, the infants and children are in heavenly glory with Him.

Irrelevant to your God being a murderer.

That His victims "are in heavenly glory with" their murderer in no way changes the crime He committed.

You see, ANY murder can claim that their victims are also in heavenly glory with Him, and no one gets a pass for that.

If you believe in God, a God that is perfect, he would never do anything wrong or sinful.

This is retarded for OBVIOUS reasons.

Entirely meaningless.

I have given explanations in the past about this, and will do so again - although it is a waste of time because in your mind, the killing of anyone you PERCEIVE as innocent is wrong no matter what the explanation is.

You're just making this shit up.

It's an exercise in futility.

Maybe it wouldn't be if you could manage to present a cogent point.

God’s grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children,...

And this makes it OK to murder them? Really?

... the death of these children was actually their salvation.

REALLY?!?!?!

So, you're saying that murdering small children and infants is really just "saving" them?

Sounds to me like a perverse rationalization for cold-blooded murder.

CONGRATULATIONS! You have earned your blood-thirsty psychopath credentials. Turn yourself in IMMEDIATELY for permanent confinement, in the interest of the safety of small children and infants.

Thank you.

We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven’s incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives

Great. You've just made my case....AGAIN!

I roundly reject your blood-thirsty and sadistic religion of human sacrifice. I am an enemy to your tyrannical "God" of torture and human suffering.

AND I SWEAR, if you offer me salvation through the blood of of the Lord, Jesus Christ(TM), I'll say "NO THANK YOU" to this offer to expunge my "sins" in the blood of an innocent--nor shall I place upon him the burdens of sins he has not committed. In other words, I refuse to make a sacrificial animal of any human being -- including Jesus.

You value humans more than God.
That is normal for secular people.

Some people who are spiritually aware understand that we are ALL a small piece of God. Matter of fact, there are references in the Bible that we are His hands and feet.

If you have that understanding, you value humans as well as value God. Jesus Himself even said "love God above all, and love one another as you love God", meaning we should love our fellow humans as much as we (supposedly) love God.

I have that understanding, I just wish more people did.

And there you have it Bonzi. There's the reason I'm the sworn enemy of your vain tyrant.

The vain, sadistic God of torture and human misery is a narcissistic nihilist.

Murdering babies is "saving" them... That's pure evil right there. Obedience to that evil is criminal; sin against that evil is a moral imperative.

 

[Bonzi]

You took your God out of the equation, not me. Check above.

I'm all for you doing so...don't get me wrong about that.

I assume you're a devotional of this infant murdering God of human torture and misery, based upon your defense of Him. If I'm wrong allow me to apologize first.

But if I am right in assuming, then I propose to you that if you are not yourself some kind of bloodthirsty sadist, perhaps your devotion to your evil God is misplaced.

And if there is no other God to devote yourself to, then let me suggest that being devoted to anything other than the vanity of some divine tyrant might be something worth exploring--it could likely make you a far better human being.

I did, but then you put Him back in. Either way....

Like I said, God called for the murder of entire groups of people, and, the infants and children are in heavenly glory with Him.

Irrelevant to your God being a murderer.

That His victims "are in heavenly glory with" their murderer in no way changes the crime He committed.

You see, ANY murder can claim that their victims are also in heavenly glory with Him, and no one gets a pass for that.

If you believe in God, a God that is perfect, he would never do anything wrong or sinful.

This is retarded for OBVIOUS reasons.

Entirely meaningless.

I have given explanations in the past about this, and will do so again - although it is a waste of time because in your mind, the killing of anyone you PERCEIVE as innocent is wrong no matter what the explanation is.

You're just making this shit up.

It's an exercise in futility.

Maybe it wouldn't be if you could manage to present a cogent point.

God’s grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children,...

And this makes it OK to murder them? Really?

... the death of these children was actually their salvation.

REALLY?!?!?!

So, you're saying that murdering small children and infants is really just "saving" them?

Sounds to me like a perverse rationalization for cold-blooded murder.

CONGRATULATIONS! You have earned your blood-thirsty psychopath credentials. Turn yourself in IMMEDIATELY for permanent confinement, in the interest of the safety of small children and infants.

Thank you.

We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven’s incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives

Great. You've just made my case....AGAIN!

I roundly reject your blood-thirsty and sadistic religion of human sacrifice. I am an enemy to your tyrannical "God" of torture and human suffering.

AND I SWEAR, if you offer me salvation through the blood of of the Lord, Jesus Christ(TM), I'll say "NO THANK YOU" to this offer to expunge my "sins" in the blood of an innocent--nor shall I place upon him the burdens of sins he has not committed. In other words, I refuse to make a sacrificial animal of any human being -- including Jesus.

You value humans more than God.
That is normal for secular people.

Some people who are spiritually aware understand that we are ALL a small piece of God. Matter of fact, there are references in the Bible that we are His hands and feet.

If you have that understanding, you value humans as well as value God. Jesus Himself even said "love God above all, and love one another as you love God", meaning we should love our fellow humans as much as we (supposedly) love God.

I have that understanding, I just wish more people did.

And there you have it Bonzi. There's the reason I'm the sworn enemy of your vain tyrant.

The vain, sadistic God of torture and human misery is a narcissistic nihilist.

Murdering babies is "saving" them... That's pure evil right there. Obedience to that evil is criminal; sin against that evil is a moral imperative.

That is your right to feel and believe that.
I feel you are deceived, but, ultimately you have free will.

 

[LOki]

I did, but then you put Him back in. Either way....

Like I said, God called for the murder of entire groups of people, and, the infants and children are in heavenly glory with Him.

Irrelevant to your God being a murderer.

That His victims "are in heavenly glory with" their murderer in no way changes the crime He committed.

You see, ANY murder can claim that their victims are also in heavenly glory with Him, and no one gets a pass for that.

If you believe in God, a God that is perfect, he would never do anything wrong or sinful.

This is retarded for OBVIOUS reasons.

Entirely meaningless.

I have given explanations in the past about this, and will do so again - although it is a waste of time because in your mind, the killing of anyone you PERCEIVE as innocent is wrong no matter what the explanation is.

You're just making this shit up.

It's an exercise in futility.

Maybe it wouldn't be if you could manage to present a cogent point.

God’s grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children,...

And this makes it OK to murder them? Really?

... the death of these children was actually their salvation.

REALLY?!?!?!

So, you're saying that murdering small children and infants is really just "saving" them?

Sounds to me like a perverse rationalization for cold-blooded murder.

CONGRATULATIONS! You have earned your blood-thirsty psychopath credentials. Turn yourself in IMMEDIATELY for permanent confinement, in the interest of the safety of small children and infants.

Thank you.

We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven’s incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives

Great. You've just made my case....AGAIN!

I roundly reject your blood-thirsty and sadistic religion of human sacrifice. I am an enemy to your tyrannical "God" of torture and human suffering.

AND I SWEAR, if you offer me salvation through the blood of of the Lord, Jesus Christ(TM), I'll say "NO THANK YOU" to this offer to expunge my "sins" in the blood of an innocent--nor shall I place upon him the burdens of sins he has not committed. In other words, I refuse to make a sacrificial animal of any human being -- including Jesus.

You value humans more than God.
That is normal for secular people.

Some people who are spiritually aware understand that we are ALL a small piece of God. Matter of fact, there are references in the Bible that we are His hands and feet.

If you have that understanding, you value humans as well as value God. Jesus Himself even said "love God above all, and love one another as you love God", meaning we should love our fellow humans as much as we (supposedly) love God.

I have that understanding, I just wish more people did.

And there you have it Bonzi. There's the reason I'm the sworn enemy of your vain tyrant.

The vain, sadistic God of torture and human misery is a narcissistic nihilist.

Murdering babies is "saving" them... That's pure evil right there. Obedience to that evil is criminal; sin against that evil is a moral imperative.

That is your right to feel and believe that.
I feel you are deceived, but, ultimately you have free will.

Your feelings are as meaningless to me as the feelings of every other psychopath.

 

[ChrisL]

You took your God out of the equation, not me. Check above.

I'm all for you doing so...don't get me wrong about that.

I assume you're a devotional of this infant murdering God of human torture and misery, based upon your defense of Him. If I'm wrong allow me to apologize first.

But if I am right in assuming, then I propose to you that if you are not yourself some kind of bloodthirsty sadist, perhaps your devotion to your evil God is misplaced.

And if there is no other God to devote yourself to, then let me suggest that being devoted to anything other than the vanity of some divine tyrant might be something worth exploring--it could likely make you a far better human being.

I did, but then you put Him back in. Either way....

Like I said, God called for the murder of entire groups of people, and, the infants and children are in heavenly glory with Him.

Irrelevant to your God being a murderer.

That His victims "are in heavenly glory with" their murderer in no way changes the crime He committed.

You see, ANY murder can claim that their victims are also in heavenly glory with Him, and no one gets a pass for that.

If you believe in God, a God that is perfect, he would never do anything wrong or sinful.

This is retarded for OBVIOUS reasons.

Entirely meaningless.

I have given explanations in the past about this, and will do so again - although it is a waste of time because in your mind, the killing of anyone you PERCEIVE as innocent is wrong no matter what the explanation is.

You're just making this shit up.

It's an exercise in futility.

Maybe it wouldn't be if you could manage to present a cogent point.

God’s grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children,...

And this makes it OK to murder them? Really?

... the death of these children was actually their salvation.

REALLY?!?!?!

So, you're saying that murdering small children and infants is really just "saving" them?

Sounds to me like a perverse rationalization for cold-blooded murder.

CONGRATULATIONS! You have earned your blood-thirsty psychopath credentials. Turn yourself in IMMEDIATELY for permanent confinement, in the interest of the safety of small children and infants.

Thank you.

We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven’s incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives

Great. You've just made my case....AGAIN!

I roundly reject your blood-thirsty and sadistic religion of human sacrifice. I am an enemy to your tyrannical "God" of torture and human suffering.

AND I SWEAR, if you offer me salvation through the blood of of the Lord, Jesus Christ(TM), I'll say "NO THANK YOU" to this offer to expunge my "sins" in the blood of an innocent--nor shall I place upon him the burdens of sins he has not committed. In other words, I refuse to make a sacrificial animal of any human being -- including Jesus.

You value humans more than God.
That is normal for secular people.

So . . . if God told you to kill someone to prove your love, would you do it?

 

[ChrisL]

You took your God out of the equation, not me. Check above.

I'm all for you doing so...don't get me wrong about that.

I assume you're a devotional of this infant murdering God of human torture and misery, based upon your defense of Him. If I'm wrong allow me to apologize first.

But if I am right in assuming, then I propose to you that if you are not yourself some kind of bloodthirsty sadist, perhaps your devotion to your evil God is misplaced.

And if there is no other God to devote yourself to, then let me suggest that being devoted to anything other than the vanity of some divine tyrant might be something worth exploring--it could likely make you a far better human being.

I did, but then you put Him back in. Either way....

Like I said, God called for the murder of entire groups of people, and, the infants and children are in heavenly glory with Him.

Irrelevant to your God being a murderer.

That His victims "are in heavenly glory with" their murderer in no way changes the crime He committed.

You see, ANY murder can claim that their victims are also in heavenly glory with Him, and no one gets a pass for that.

If you believe in God, a God that is perfect, he would never do anything wrong or sinful.

This is retarded for OBVIOUS reasons.

Entirely meaningless.

I have given explanations in the past about this, and will do so again - although it is a waste of time because in your mind, the killing of anyone you PERCEIVE as innocent is wrong no matter what the explanation is.

You're just making this shit up.

It's an exercise in futility.

Maybe it wouldn't be if you could manage to present a cogent point.

God’s grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children,...

And this makes it OK to murder them? Really?

... the death of these children was actually their salvation.

REALLY?!?!?!

So, you're saying that murdering small children and infants is really just "saving" them?

Sounds to me like a perverse rationalization for cold-blooded murder.

CONGRATULATIONS! You have earned your blood-thirsty psychopath credentials. Turn yourself in IMMEDIATELY for permanent confinement, in the interest of the safety of small children and infants.

Thank you.

We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven’s incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives

Great. You've just made my case....AGAIN!

I roundly reject your blood-thirsty and sadistic religion of human sacrifice. I am an enemy to your tyrannical "God" of torture and human suffering.

AND I SWEAR, if you offer me salvation through the blood of of the Lord, Jesus Christ(TM), I'll say "NO THANK YOU" to this offer to expunge my "sins" in the blood of an innocent--nor shall I place upon him the burdens of sins he has not committed. In other words, I refuse to make a sacrificial animal of any human being -- including Jesus.

You value humans more than God.
That is normal for secular people.

Do you really feel that your "god" is more important than human beings who you actually DO share the world with and who are actually real and really exist?

 

[guno]

Severed as in bar b que , broiled? . I love jebus yes I do! baked or broiled or even in a stew!! With au jus on the side!!

 

[ChrisL]

Severed as in bar b que , broiled? . I love jebus yes I do! baked or broiled or even in a stew!! With au jus on the side!!

OMG! So mean!

 

[ChrisL]

You know, the wars, starvation and most of the suffering in this world ISN'T caused by God, it's caused by man having free will and choosing to exercise that free will by taking power, money and sex from others against their will.

It's not God that causes suffering, it's mankind.

In the case of disease and sickness? Many times it is caused by us doing things to ourselves, like smoking, drinking too much, etc., and sickness results from our free will exercise in indulging ourselves.

Does God exist? I like to believe so, because there are many strange things that have happened in my life, and I can't attribute them to anything other than God, and His watching over me, and guiding me through various choices.

One example..........................When I was 16, I got tired of living with the foster family that I'd been placed with, because they were using the checks from the foster program to finance their new house and other things, so I ran away to go talk to my case worker in Helena. After I contacted him, he said that I had to go back to Missoula, or else pay rent to stay at the runaway home.

I didn't have the cash to stay, so I reluctantly agreed to go back (even though I really didn't want to), and, as luck would have it, the bus was running early and I just barely missed it. I called my case worker back and told him I'd missed the bus, and he told me to stay at the station until I could catch the next one to Missoula.

Well............still didn't want to go back, so I asked the ticket agent how much a bus to Chicago would cost (don't know why, just the first place that jumped into my mind), and he said 300.00. Well, I only had about 30 bucks, and I asked when the next bus was leaving and where it was going. He said it was going to Great Falls (where my Grandparents lived), and the cost was 25.00.

I bought a ticket and ended up in Great Falls. Well, my Grandparents were 11 miles outside of there in another town called Vaughn, and so I started walking. About midnight, I came by the truck stop on the edge of town, and since I still had 5 bucks, I stopped in and got something to eat. As I was leaving, I got halfway across the parking lot and a VW beetle pulled up next to me and asked if I needed a ride. I asked where they were going, and they said Missoula, but were willing to drop me anywhere along the way. I told them Vaughn was just fine, and got out when we arrived, slept in the schoolyard that night (by this time it was around 1:00 am), and knocked on my Grandparent's door at 7:00 am, and was taken back in, where I spent my Senior year and then joined the Navy.

Now.............I really didn't want to go back to the foster family, but was told that I had to, and it just happened that I showed up at the right time to catch a bus to Great Falls, because they only ran once a day. I also found it interesting that the ONLY people to offer me a ride were people going to Missoula (where my foster family was), and that was kind of like God telling me that I had a choice, and He gave me a couple of places where I could have changed my mind.

That's only one example, there are many others. I believe that when extreme coincidences happen to me, that's God answering my questions, and asking which way I want to go.

Coincidences are how God shows me that He's listening.

According to religions, you are not to use birth control. It is up to God whether or not you have a child. Therefore, God is making these people in Africa have child after child after child, who eventually starve to death, which is a horrible slow and painful death. Do you really think that God would help you catch a ride??? Good grief. This is just one of MANY things that disgust me.

According to WHICH religion? Buddhist? Hindu? Christian? Can you cite verses from the Bible that say that birth control is against God?

No, it's not God who is making those people have child after child, it's the dogma that they are following that says such.

As far as pissing all over my experiences? Go right ahead, if it makes you feel better, but that is just one example of where God (or Higher Power) was watching out for me, there are many others.

Why would God watch over me and not someone else? Dunno.........might wanna try asking Him.

Because there IS no God watching out for you. Duh. Those ARE coincidences that happen to everyone on occasion. Stop being delusional and thinking that it makes you more "special" than anyone else. You are not.

 

[Bonzi]

You know, the wars, starvation and most of the suffering in this world ISN'T caused by God, it's caused by man having free will and choosing to exercise that free will by taking power, money and sex from others against their will.

It's not God that causes suffering, it's mankind.

In the case of disease and sickness? Many times it is caused by us doing things to ourselves, like smoking, drinking too much, etc., and sickness results from our free will exercise in indulging ourselves.

Does God exist? I like to believe so, because there are many strange things that have happened in my life, and I can't attribute them to anything other than God, and His watching over me, and guiding me through various choices.

One example..........................When I was 16, I got tired of living with the foster family that I'd been placed with, because they were using the checks from the foster program to finance their new house and other things, so I ran away to go talk to my case worker in Helena. After I contacted him, he said that I had to go back to Missoula, or else pay rent to stay at the runaway home.

I didn't have the cash to stay, so I reluctantly agreed to go back (even though I really didn't want to), and, as luck would have it, the bus was running early and I just barely missed it. I called my case worker back and told him I'd missed the bus, and he told me to stay at the station until I could catch the next one to Missoula.

Well............still didn't want to go back, so I asked the ticket agent how much a bus to Chicago would cost (don't know why, just the first place that jumped into my mind), and he said 300.00. Well, I only had about 30 bucks, and I asked when the next bus was leaving and where it was going. He said it was going to Great Falls (where my Grandparents lived), and the cost was 25.00.

I bought a ticket and ended up in Great Falls. Well, my Grandparents were 11 miles outside of there in another town called Vaughn, and so I started walking. About midnight, I came by the truck stop on the edge of town, and since I still had 5 bucks, I stopped in and got something to eat. As I was leaving, I got halfway across the parking lot and a VW beetle pulled up next to me and asked if I needed a ride. I asked where they were going, and they said Missoula, but were willing to drop me anywhere along the way. I told them Vaughn was just fine, and got out when we arrived, slept in the schoolyard that night (by this time it was around 1:00 am), and knocked on my Grandparent's door at 7:00 am, and was taken back in, where I spent my Senior year and then joined the Navy.

Now.............I really didn't want to go back to the foster family, but was told that I had to, and it just happened that I showed up at the right time to catch a bus to Great Falls, because they only ran once a day. I also found it interesting that the ONLY people to offer me a ride were people going to Missoula (where my foster family was), and that was kind of like God telling me that I had a choice, and He gave me a couple of places where I could have changed my mind.

That's only one example, there are many others. I believe that when extreme coincidences happen to me, that's God answering my questions, and asking which way I want to go.

Coincidences are how God shows me that He's listening.

According to religions, you are not to use birth control. It is up to God whether or not you have a child. Therefore, God is making these people in Africa have child after child after child, who eventually starve to death, which is a horrible slow and painful death. Do you really think that God would help you catch a ride??? Good grief. This is just one of MANY things that disgust me.

According to WHICH religion? Buddhist? Hindu? Christian? Can you cite verses from the Bible that say that birth control is against God?

No, it's not God who is making those people have child after child, it's the dogma that they are following that says such.

As far as pissing all over my experiences? Go right ahead, if it makes you feel better, but that is just one example of where God (or Higher Power) was watching out for me, there are many others.

Why would God watch over me and not someone else? Dunno.........might wanna try asking Him.

Because there IS no God watching out for you. Duh. Those ARE coincidences that happen to everyone on occasion. Stop being delusional and thinking that it makes you more "special" than anyone else. You are not.

Christians aren't more special -- It is God's will that ALL be saved!

 

[Bonzi]

Severed as in bar b que , broiled? . I love jebus yes I do! baked or broiled or even in a stew!! With au jus on the side!!

You realize it's VERY HARD for me to NOT come back at you with an insult, however, Jesus would not like that so.... I just pray there will be a change in your heart one day....

 

[Bonzi]

You took your God out of the equation, not me. Check above.

I'm all for you doing so...don't get me wrong about that.

I assume you're a devotional of this infant murdering God of human torture and misery, based upon your defense of Him. If I'm wrong allow me to apologize first.

But if I am right in assuming, then I propose to you that if you are not yourself some kind of bloodthirsty sadist, perhaps your devotion to your evil God is misplaced.

And if there is no other God to devote yourself to, then let me suggest that being devoted to anything other than the vanity of some divine tyrant might be something worth exploring--it could likely make you a far better human being.

I did, but then you put Him back in. Either way....

Like I said, God called for the murder of entire groups of people, and, the infants and children are in heavenly glory with Him.

Irrelevant to your God being a murderer.

That His victims "are in heavenly glory with" their murderer in no way changes the crime He committed.

You see, ANY murder can claim that their victims are also in heavenly glory with Him, and no one gets a pass for that.

If you believe in God, a God that is perfect, he would never do anything wrong or sinful.

This is retarded for OBVIOUS reasons.

Entirely meaningless.

I have given explanations in the past about this, and will do so again - although it is a waste of time because in your mind, the killing of anyone you PERCEIVE as innocent is wrong no matter what the explanation is.

You're just making this shit up.

It's an exercise in futility.

Maybe it wouldn't be if you could manage to present a cogent point.

God’s grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children,...

And this makes it OK to murder them? Really?

... the death of these children was actually their salvation.

REALLY?!?!?!

So, you're saying that murdering small children and infants is really just "saving" them?

Sounds to me like a perverse rationalization for cold-blooded murder.

CONGRATULATIONS! You have earned your blood-thirsty psychopath credentials. Turn yourself in IMMEDIATELY for permanent confinement, in the interest of the safety of small children and infants.

Thank you.

We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven’s incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives

Great. You've just made my case....AGAIN!

I roundly reject your blood-thirsty and sadistic religion of human sacrifice. I am an enemy to your tyrannical "God" of torture and human suffering.

AND I SWEAR, if you offer me salvation through the blood of of the Lord, Jesus Christ(TM), I'll say "NO THANK YOU" to this offer to expunge my "sins" in the blood of an innocent--nor shall I place upon him the burdens of sins he has not committed. In other words, I refuse to make a sacrificial animal of any human being -- including Jesus.

You value humans more than God.
That is normal for secular people.

So . . . if God told you to kill someone to prove your love, would you do it?

THAT is hard to say - I don't know if I have faith strong enough to do it. Abraham was going to kill his son for God. He had great faith. Me? Well you know, I'm not a very strong Christian.

 

[Bonzi]

You took your God out of the equation, not me. Check above.

I'm all for you doing so...don't get me wrong about that.

I assume you're a devotional of this infant murdering God of human torture and misery, based upon your defense of Him. If I'm wrong allow me to apologize first.

But if I am right in assuming, then I propose to you that if you are not yourself some kind of bloodthirsty sadist, perhaps your devotion to your evil God is misplaced.

And if there is no other God to devote yourself to, then let me suggest that being devoted to anything other than the vanity of some divine tyrant might be something worth exploring--it could likely make you a far better human being.

I did, but then you put Him back in. Either way....

Like I said, God called for the murder of entire groups of people, and, the infants and children are in heavenly glory with Him.

Irrelevant to your God being a murderer.

That His victims "are in heavenly glory with" their murderer in no way changes the crime He committed.

You see, ANY murder can claim that their victims are also in heavenly glory with Him, and no one gets a pass for that.

If you believe in God, a God that is perfect, he would never do anything wrong or sinful.

This is retarded for OBVIOUS reasons.

Entirely meaningless.

I have given explanations in the past about this, and will do so again - although it is a waste of time because in your mind, the killing of anyone you PERCEIVE as innocent is wrong no matter what the explanation is.

You're just making this shit up.

It's an exercise in futility.

Maybe it wouldn't be if you could manage to present a cogent point.

God’s grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children,...

And this makes it OK to murder them? Really?

... the death of these children was actually their salvation.

REALLY?!?!?!

So, you're saying that murdering small children and infants is really just "saving" them?

Sounds to me like a perverse rationalization for cold-blooded murder.

CONGRATULATIONS! You have earned your blood-thirsty psychopath credentials. Turn yourself in IMMEDIATELY for permanent confinement, in the interest of the safety of small children and infants.

Thank you.

We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven’s incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives

Great. You've just made my case....AGAIN!

I roundly reject your blood-thirsty and sadistic religion of human sacrifice. I am an enemy to your tyrannical "God" of torture and human suffering.

AND I SWEAR, if you offer me salvation through the blood of of the Lord, Jesus Christ(TM), I'll say "NO THANK YOU" to this offer to expunge my "sins" in the blood of an innocent--nor shall I place upon him the burdens of sins he has not committed. In other words, I refuse to make a sacrificial animal of any human being -- including Jesus.

You value humans more than God.
That is normal for secular people.

Do you really feel that your "god" is more important than human beings who you actually DO share the world with and who are actually real and really exist?

Yes Ma'am. If you are going to follow God you must follow his commands, and, the Bible says:

Love God 1st - THEN love your neighbors

 

[Bonzi]

Irrelevant to your God being a murderer.

That His victims "are in heavenly glory with" their murderer in no way changes the crime He committed.

You see, ANY murder can claim that their victims are also in heavenly glory with Him, and no one gets a pass for that.

This is retarded for OBVIOUS reasons.

Entirely meaningless.

You're just making this shit up.

Maybe it wouldn't be if you could manage to present a cogent point.

And this makes it OK to murder them? Really?

REALLY?!?!?!

So, you're saying that murdering small children and infants is really just "saving" them?

Sounds to me like a perverse rationalization for cold-blooded murder.

CONGRATULATIONS! You have earned your blood-thirsty psychopath credentials. Turn yourself in IMMEDIATELY for permanent confinement, in the interest of the safety of small children and infants.

Thank you.

Great. You've just made my case....AGAIN!

I roundly reject your blood-thirsty and sadistic religion of human sacrifice. I am an enemy to your tyrannical "God" of torture and human suffering.

AND I SWEAR, if you offer me salvation through the blood of of the Lord, Jesus Christ(TM), I'll say "NO THANK YOU" to this offer to expunge my "sins" in the blood of an innocent--nor shall I place upon him the burdens of sins he has not committed. In other words, I refuse to make a sacrificial animal of any human being -- including Jesus.

You value humans more than God.
That is normal for secular people.

Some people who are spiritually aware understand that we are ALL a small piece of God. Matter of fact, there are references in the Bible that we are His hands and feet.

If you have that understanding, you value humans as well as value God. Jesus Himself even said "love God above all, and love one another as you love God", meaning we should love our fellow humans as much as we (supposedly) love God.

I have that understanding, I just wish more people did.

And there you have it Bonzi. There's the reason I'm the sworn enemy of your vain tyrant.

The vain, sadistic God of torture and human misery is a narcissistic nihilist.

Murdering babies is "saving" them... That's pure evil right there. Obedience to that evil is criminal; sin against that evil is a moral imperative.

That is your right to feel and believe that.
I feel you are deceived, but, ultimately you have free will.

Your feelings are as meaningless to me as the feelings of every other psychopath.

But my beliefs aren't, otherwise, you would not be having discourse with me.
You would just say "another nut job, I'm not wasting my time with her" and move on, yet, you don't.

 

[LOki]

You value humans more than God.
That is normal for secular people.

Some people who are spiritually aware understand that we are ALL a small piece of God. Matter of fact, there are references in the Bible that we are His hands and feet.

If you have that understanding, you value humans as well as value God. Jesus Himself even said "love God above all, and love one another as you love God", meaning we should love our fellow humans as much as we (supposedly) love God.

I have that understanding, I just wish more people did.

And there you have it Bonzi. There's the reason I'm the sworn enemy of your vain tyrant.

The vain, sadistic God of torture and human misery is a narcissistic nihilist.

Murdering babies is "saving" them... That's pure evil right there. Obedience to that evil is criminal; sin against that evil is a moral imperative.

That is your right to feel and believe that.
I feel you are deceived, but, ultimately you have free will.

Your feelings are as meaningless to me as the feelings of every other psychopath.

But my beliefs aren't, otherwise, you would not be having discourse with me.

Nonsense. Just because your feelings are meaningless, it does not follow that I can't derive value from discourse with you.

If nothing else, outing a psychopath--enthusiastically willing to "save" babies--is certainly valuable.

You would just say "another nut job, I'm not wasting my time with her" and move on, yet, you don't.

You don't know me well enough to predict what I would say.

I'm just not as sanguine about murdering babies as you are. I'm not sure that I should just walk away from such a "nut job".