Christians United For Israel

[irosie91]

Arabs mixed with Assyrians and Chaldeans very early because they began leaving Arabia very early.. As the well-watered Savannah of Arabian peninsula became more and more arid between 10,000 and 6,000 BC they migrated in waves.

Even assuming that Abraham and Moses were fictional characters or some sort of literary devices... they probably represented a true history of the movement of people... that is backed up by archeology, changes in language and geologic changes in the region.

right----humans move lots and MIX lots-------but that does not make them "arabs" -----

arabs back then -lived in ARABIA and spoke arabic. "sons of ishmael" is not
synonymous with "arabs" chaldeans lived in mesopotamia----not arabia

who was the "arab" wife of moses? no doubt-----the stories of the bible
do represent migrations of people--------generally peoples of mesopotamia and
egypt and canaan-----not particularly arabia. ------arabia is ON THE WAY TO THE
EAST -----and sorta to ethiopia --------- it was wilderness -----without literacy
until about 300 AD

you are confusing that which is called "arabs" today with-----the arabs of arabia ----
2500 years ago

It is referred to as Arbah or Aribi.. They were trading with and intermarrying with people all along their rather extensive trade routes.. and they were not illiterate. There are thousands of cuneiform tablets all over Arabia.

The 9,000 year old Maqar civilization was very sophisticated. you should see the artifacts... and Wall paintings.

you are very confused the MAQAR civilization did not -----progress into the
ARABIAN CIVILIZATION-------it died --------the language of ancient egypt
did not progress into the ARABIC of egypt today----either.

the "arab culture" of arabia-------2500 years ago------was arabic speaking and
unlettered. ----------'other people' residing in arabia------like zoroastrians,
christians and jews-------were lettered ------the zoroastrians, jews and
christians residing in arabia-----were not "arabs"

humans in proximity-----always "mix"-------but they can maintain
separate cultures. and often do-------as they did in arabia. In fact
if they had not----the followers of muhummad would not have known whom
to KILL OFF

BTW what are you calling "arabia"??? ----another vague term-------like
SYRIA/PALESTINA

 

[Shaarona]

right----humans move lots and MIX lots-------but that does not make them "arabs" -----

arabs back then -lived in ARABIA and spoke arabic. "sons of ishmael" is not
synonymous with "arabs" chaldeans lived in mesopotamia----not arabia

who was the "arab" wife of moses? no doubt-----the stories of the bible
do represent migrations of people--------generally peoples of mesopotamia and
egypt and canaan-----not particularly arabia. ------arabia is ON THE WAY TO THE
EAST -----and sorta to ethiopia --------- it was wilderness -----without literacy
until about 300 AD

you are confusing that which is called "arabs" today with-----the arabs of arabia ----
2500 years ago

It is referred to as Arbah or Aribi.. They were trading with and intermarrying with people all along their rather extensive trade routes.. and they were not illiterate. There are thousands of cuneiform tablets all over Arabia.

The 9,000 year old Maqar civilization was very sophisticated. you should see the artifacts... and Wall paintings.

you are very confused the MAQAR civilization did not -----progress into the
ARABIAN CIVILIZATION-------it died --------the language of ancient egypt
did not progress into the ARABIC of egypt today----either.

the "arab culture" of arabia-------2500 years ago------was arabic speaking and
unlettered. ----------'other people' residing in arabia------like zoroastrians,
christians and jews-------were lettered ------the zoroastrians, jews and
christians residing in arabia-----were not "arabs"

humans in proximity-----always "mix"-------but they can maintain
separate cultures. and often do-------as they did in arabia. In fact
if they had not----the followers of muhummad would not have known whom
to KILL OFF

BTW what are you calling "arabia"??? ----another vague term-------like
SYRIA/PALESTINA

The Arabian peninsula is Arabia..... There were few Jewish tribes in Arabia.. Seems they migrated mostly from Jericho. There were some Nestorian Christians in the East and on Tarut Island... also in Najran who were protected under Islam and exempt from Jizya.. The Jewish king of Yemen.. an Arab convert.. is famous for the burning of the Christians of Najran.

The al Maqar didn't "die out".. they dispersed...

 

[aris2chat]

Magar lived in cental arabia before it as desert

Saudi Aramco World : Discovery at al-Magar

 

[Shaarona]

Magar lived in cental arabia before it as desert

Saudi Aramco World : Discovery at al-Magar

Do you get Aramco World too?

 

[irosie91]

It is referred to as Arbah or Aribi.. They were trading with and intermarrying with people all along their rather extensive trade routes.. and they were not illiterate. There are thousands of cuneiform tablets all over Arabia.

The 9,000 year old Maqar civilization was very sophisticated. you should see the artifacts... and Wall paintings.

you are very confused the MAQAR civilization did not -----progress into the
ARABIAN CIVILIZATION-------it died --------the language of ancient egypt
did not progress into the ARABIC of egypt today----either.

the "arab culture" of arabia-------2500 years ago------was arabic speaking and
unlettered. ----------'other people' residing in arabia------like zoroastrians,
christians and jews-------were lettered ------the zoroastrians, jews and
christians residing in arabia-----were not "arabs"

humans in proximity-----always "mix"-------but they can maintain
separate cultures. and often do-------as they did in arabia. In fact
if they had not----the followers of muhummad would not have known whom
to KILL OFF

BTW what are you calling "arabia"??? ----another vague term-------like
SYRIA/PALESTINA

The Arabian peninsula is Arabia..... There were few Jewish tribes in Arabia.. Seems they migrated mostly from Jericho. There were some Nestorian Christians in the East and on Tarut Island... also in Najran who were protected under Islam and exempt from Jizya.. The Jewish king of Yemen.. an Arab convert.. is famous for the burning of the Christians of Najran.

The al Maqar didn't "die out".. they dispersed...

LOL Now I understand-----you are a victim of islamo revisionist history. Yemenis are not "arabs" ------they are YEMENIS------Yemen is not part of the arabian peninsula----its people were and are not nomads pushing sheep around. Yemen is a fertile land----
albeit rendered a disaster today by the INVADERS FROM THE PENINSULA-----that country was invaded by meccaist dogs after-----the rapist pig died
The burning of christians is-----an islamicist myth---
a kind of cover for the filth that took place in arabia at the behest of the rapist pig.
and later on was reprised in yemen by the meccaist dogs
There were christians in Yemen until ------the meccaist dogs got there and took over---
on a sea of blood

"dispersed" ??? LOL right----the culture died out----is no longer extant----
something like TROY

PS my husband is a yemeni-----call him an "arab" and he will spit.

 

[aris2chat]

Well I guess you did not get high marks in class. Do you even know what the torah is?
When do you think the exile occurred?

Jesus believed in and taught the torah, but you don't?
Chosen to carry for a purpose, to be the prophets and preserve the torah. Chosen to prepare the next temple. It is not about superiority, but part of the binding agreement between god and the jewish people was returning the jews to their homeland and housing the torah and commandments in Jerusalem.
Abraham's other seven children were sent to find a place elsewhere in the world. Issac was to inherit Abraham's tribe and lands, and Jacob inherited the lands and promises from Issac, and the jewish people from the tribes of Jacob. Moses returned the people to land of their forefathers.
Neither the bible nor the quran dispute this, except that Ishmael was the one Abraham was going to sacrifice as first born, but tribal law of the time, even arabic tribal law, the illegitimate son, offspring of a concubine or servant, does not inherit before the true son. Ishmael would have been fifth in line not even second let alone first. There were three other legitimate sons beside Issac.

Yeah, but according to the Torah, the jews are to remain in exile until God comes back down to earth. Granted, I'm no expert on Judaism, but isn't that what the Three Strong Oaths say?

 

[Shaarona]

you are very confused the MAQAR civilization did not -----progress into the
ARABIAN CIVILIZATION-------it died --------the language of ancient egypt
did not progress into the ARABIC of egypt today----either.

the "arab culture" of arabia-------2500 years ago------was arabic speaking and
unlettered. ----------'other people' residing in arabia------like zoroastrians,
christians and jews-------were lettered ------the zoroastrians, jews and
christians residing in arabia-----were not "arabs"

humans in proximity-----always "mix"-------but they can maintain
separate cultures. and often do-------as they did in arabia. In fact
if they had not----the followers of muhummad would not have known whom
to KILL OFF

BTW what are you calling "arabia"??? ----another vague term-------like
SYRIA/PALESTINA

The Arabian peninsula is Arabia..... There were few Jewish tribes in Arabia.. Seems they migrated mostly from Jericho. There were some Nestorian Christians in the East and on Tarut Island... also in Najran who were protected under Islam and exempt from Jizya.. The Jewish king of Yemen.. an Arab convert.. is famous for the burning of the Christians of Najran.

The al Maqar didn't "die out".. they dispersed...

LOL Now I understand-----you are a victim of islamo revisionist history. Yemenis are not "arabs" ------they are YEMENIS------Yemen is not part of the arabian peninsula----its people were and are not nomads pushing sheep around. Yemen is a fertile land----
albeit rendered a disaster today by the INVADERS FROM THE PENINSULA-----that country was invaded by meccaist dogs after-----the rapist pig died
The burning of christians is-----an islamicist myth---
a kind of cover for the filth that took place in arabia at the behest of the rapist pig.
and later on was reprised in yemen by the meccaist dogs
There were christians in Yemen until ------the meccaist dogs got there and took over---
on a sea of blood

"dispersed" ??? LOL right----the culture died out----is no longer extant----
something like TROY

PS my husband is a yemeni-----call him an "arab" and he will spit.

Yes, Yemen is part of the Arabian peninsula as are Qatar, the UAE and Oman.

I am sorry you husband feels that way..

The existence of a Christian community in Najran is attested by several historical sources of the Arabic peninsula, where it recorded as having been created in the 5th century CE or perhaps a century earlier. According to the Arab Muslim historian, Ibn Ishaq, Najran was the first place where Christianity took root in South Arabia.

Christians built a church there in Yemen in Zafar in 354 AD.

To stop the advance of Christianity, in the 5th century individual Arab kings initially converted to Judaism.

there was a terrible drought in the southern part of the Arabian Peninsula in the middle of the 6th century. There was also a plague epidemic that began in 541.

So there were three Abrahamic religions vying for dominance.

How do you like Yemen?

 

[Billo_Really]

Well I guess you did not get high marks in class. Do you even know what the torah is?

My, aren't we the rude one?

Are you saying there's no such thing as the "Three Strong Oaths"?

When do you think the exile occurred?

I don't believe the exile ever happened. The diaspora is a myth. If it actually happened, how come no one can find any evidence of it occurring?

 

[aris2chat]

The three oaths you refer to are from the talmud, which contain debates, pro an con, on the laws and commentaries. The torah are the five books of moses. The exile was ended by Cyrus and he paid to rebuild the temple 516bce.

Well I guess you did not get high marks in class. Do you even know what the torah is?

My, aren't we the rude one?

Are you saying there's no such thing as the "Three Strong Oaths"?

When do you think the exile occurred?

I don't believe the exile ever happened. The diaspora is a myth. If it actually happened, how come no one can find any evidence of it occurring?

 

[Billo_Really]

The three oaths you refer to are from the talmud, which contain debates, pro an con, on the laws and commentaries. The torah are the five books of moses. The exile was ended by Cyrus and he paid to rebuild the temple 516bce.

Okay, fine. Thanks for the info.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Wrong. Israel is a Jewish State and if you don't like that you can go to another nation - even an Islamic State - there are many to choose from. - Jeri

America doesn't believe in that direction.

We believe in stuff like our first amendment, the notion of equal representation, etc.

Today, there are nearly 2M non-Jews in Israel and America stands for the proposition that they have full rights of equality.

My point was that if Israel and West Bank are unified, there would be one nation with 6m Jews and 4m non-Jews, with the non-Jew population growing at a faster rate than the Jewish population.

Any apartheid laws related to being a "Jewish nation" will be seen for what they are and there will be continued pressure for their removal. It may be a long fight for freedom, but in America our black minorities have made progress even though they are a far smaller minority than would be Muslims in a greater Israel.

You are speaking as if you are the spokesman for all America. You are not. You are merely sharing an opinion and Israel is a Jewish state whether that agrees with your opinion or not.

note* African Americans are a race - not a religion. The only fight for freedom the Muslims need to concern themselves with is their own. ( from Islam ) - Jeri

 

[irosie91]

The Arabian peninsula is Arabia..... There were few Jewish tribes in Arabia.. Seems they migrated mostly from Jericho. There were some Nestorian Christians in the East and on Tarut Island... also in Najran who were protected under Islam and exempt from Jizya.. The Jewish king of Yemen.. an Arab convert.. is famous for the burning of the Christians of Najran.

The al Maqar didn't "die out".. they dispersed...

LOL Now I understand-----you are a victim of islamo revisionist history. Yemenis are not "arabs" ------they are YEMENIS------Yemen is not part of the arabian peninsula----its people were and are not nomads pushing sheep around. Yemen is a fertile land----
albeit rendered a disaster today by the INVADERS FROM THE PENINSULA-----that country was invaded by meccaist dogs after-----the rapist pig died
The burning of christians is-----an islamicist myth---
a kind of cover for the filth that took place in arabia at the behest of the rapist pig.
and later on was reprised in yemen by the meccaist dogs
There were christians in Yemen until ------the meccaist dogs got there and took over---
on a sea of blood

"dispersed" ??? LOL right----the culture died out----is no longer extant----
something like TROY

PS my husband is a yemeni-----call him an "arab" and he will spit.

Yes, Yemen is part of the Arabian peninsula as are Qatar, the UAE and Oman.

I am sorry you husband feels that way..

The existence of a Christian community in Najran is attested by several historical sources of the Arabic peninsula, where it recorded as having been created in the 5th century CE or perhaps a century earlier. According to the Arab Muslim historian, Ibn Ishaq, Najran was the first place where Christianity took root in South Arabia.

Christians built a church there in Yemen in Zafar in 354 AD.

To stop the advance of Christianity, in the 5th century individual Arab kings initially converted to Judaism.

there was a terrible drought in the southern part of the Arabian Peninsula in the middle of the 6th century. There was also a plague epidemic that began in 541.

So there were three Abrahamic religions vying for dominance.

How do you like Yemen?

OH gee-----you are a BAATHIST ARABIST ISLAMICIST NATIONALIST
thanks for the lesson in idiot arab nationalist revisionist history----

"ALL THE WORLD IS ARAAAAABBBBB"

reminds me of the muslims from southeast asia I have known----
"ALL OF SOUTHEAST ASIA IS THE MUGHAL EMPIRE" ---and the
MUGHALS INVENTED chappatis and dhal

now for real history------Jews were in Yemen LONG before christianity came
about. and already in a considerable level of power-----the fights that did
come about generally involved ETHIOPIANS ---yemen had close
economic and cultural ties with ethiopians------and----it was in ETHIOPIA
that christianity also became prominent. Ethnic ethiopians are still
oppressed in yemen by muslims (now called arabs since they now
speak arabic and are muslims). Christianity was wiped out in Yemen---
by arab/muslims In fact---even in Ethiopia ----muslims exert deadly
force to impose islam

 

[Indeependent]

Jesus believed in and taught the torah, but you don't?
Chosen to carry for a purpose, to be the prophets and preserve the torah. Chosen to prepare the next temple. It is not about superiority, but part of the binding agreement between god and the jewish people was returning the jews to their homeland and housing the torah and commandments in Jerusalem.
Abraham's other seven children were sent to find a place elsewhere in the world. Issac was to inherit Abraham's tribe and lands, and Jacob inherited the lands and promises from Issac, and the jewish people from the tribes of Jacob. Moses returned the people to land of their forefathers.
Neither the bible nor the quran dispute this, except that Ishmael was the one Abraham was going to sacrifice as first born, but tribal law of the time, even arabic tribal law, the illegitimate son, offspring of a concubine or servant, does not inherit before the true son. Ishmael would have been fifth in line not even second let alone first. There were three other legitimate sons beside Issac.

Yeah, but according to the Torah, the jews are to remain in exile until God comes back down to earth. Granted, I'm no expert on Judaism, but isn't that what the Three Strong Oaths say?

I believe that's from TNT's final tome, Revelatons.
TNT, chronoligically starting from The Book Of James, and Cannonically starting with The Gospel According To Matthew, is NOT part of The Jewish Scripture.

BTW,The chronoligically earliest The Book Of James was Cannonized to the END of the TNT because James, either the brother or contemporary of Yeshu, states emphatically that the Commandments are NOT to be abandoned.
But the reality is that Paul, via his Epistles, was a better salesman.
But don't tale my word for it, read The Book Of James.

 

[Indeependent]

Three Strong Oaths are a Midrash...these are not laws, they are fokelore intended to make people think about how God wants us to behave.

 

[Shaarona]

Jesus believed in and taught the torah, but you don't?
Chosen to carry for a purpose, to be the prophets and preserve the torah. Chosen to prepare the next temple. It is not about superiority, but part of the binding agreement between god and the jewish people was returning the jews to their homeland and housing the torah and commandments in Jerusalem.
Abraham's other seven children were sent to find a place elsewhere in the world. Issac was to inherit Abraham's tribe and lands, and Jacob inherited the lands and promises from Issac, and the jewish people from the tribes of Jacob. Moses returned the people to land of their forefathers.
Neither the bible nor the quran dispute this, except that Ishmael was the one Abraham was going to sacrifice as first born, but tribal law of the time, even arabic tribal law, the illegitimate son, offspring of a concubine or servant, does not inherit before the true son. Ishmael would have been fifth in line not even second let alone first. There were three other legitimate sons beside Issac.

Yeah, but according to the Torah, the jews are to remain in exile until God comes back down to earth. Granted, I'm no expert on Judaism, but isn't that what the Three Strong Oaths say?

I believe that's from TNT's final tome, Revelatons.
TNT, chronoligically starting from The Book Of James, and Cannonically starting with The Gospel According To Matthew, is NOT part of The Jewish Scripture.

BTW,The chronoligically earliest The Book Of James was Cannonized to the END of the TNT because James, either the brother or contemporary of Yeshu, states emphatically that the Commandments are NOT to be abandoned.
But the reality is that Paul, via his Epistles, was a better salesman.
But don't tale my word for it, read The Book Of James.

Well apparently James and Paul had a disagreement.. James thought you had to become Jewish and follow Jewish law before you could become a Christian.. Paul disagreed and Paul won. Politics is not new in religion.

The Commandments weren't abandoned.. just the laws and rituals of the Levites that set Jews apart from others .. That was about identity.

 

[WillReadmore]

Some genocide, eh?

You laugh at genocide??

Regardless, please note that your comment isn't relevant to this thread.

Silly girl. In light of the facts I find the claim of genocide to be laughable.

You're the one who brought up genocide.

I'm the one who said you are on the wrong thread.

 

[Indeependent]

Yeah, but according to the Torah, the jews are to remain in exile until God comes back down to earth. Granted, I'm no expert on Judaism, but isn't that what the Three Strong Oaths say?

I believe that's from TNT's final tome, Revelatons.
TNT, chronoligically starting from The Book Of James, and Cannonically starting with The Gospel According To Matthew, is NOT part of The Jewish Scripture.

BTW,The chronoligically earliest The Book Of James was Cannonized to the END of the TNT because James, either the brother or contemporary of Yeshu, states emphatically that the Commandments are NOT to be abandoned.
But the reality is that Paul, via his Epistles, was a better salesman.
But don't tale my word for it, read The Book Of James.

The Commandments weren't abandoned.. just the laws and rituals of the Levites that set Jews apart from others .. That was about identity.

Huh? Can you provide some concrete examples of that immensely vague sentence?

 

[Shaarona]

I believe that's from TNT's final tome, Revelatons.
TNT, chronoligically starting from The Book Of James, and Cannonically starting with The Gospel According To Matthew, is NOT part of The Jewish Scripture.

BTW,The chronoligically earliest The Book Of James was Cannonized to the END of the TNT because James, either the brother or contemporary of Yeshu, states emphatically that the Commandments are NOT to be abandoned.
But the reality is that Paul, via his Epistles, was a better salesman.
But don't tale my word for it, read The Book Of James.

The Commandments weren't abandoned.. just the laws and rituals of the Levites that set Jews apart from others .. That was about identity.

Huh? Can you provide some concrete examples of that immensely vague sentence?

Its not vague at all.. Leviticus was written during and after the Babylonian exile.. Deuteronomy was written later and presented verbally to the people..

During the exile.. and not all returned... many began to marry foreign wives as they always had since Moses, Abraham, David and Solomon.. but according to the Bible that became a burning issue.. That's when the shift to matrilineal linage began.

They were told to dump their foreign wives and children of those unions. Of course many wouldn't do that.. The result was the first Diaspora.

 

[Indeependent]

The Commandments weren't abandoned.. just the laws and rituals of the Levites that set Jews apart from others .. That was about identity.

Huh? Can you provide some concrete examples of that immensely vague sentence?

Its not vague at all.. Leviticus was written during and after the Babylonian exile.. Deuteronomy was written later and presented verbally to the people..

During the exile.. and not all returned... many began to marry foreign wives as they always had since Moses, Abraham, David and Solomon.. but according to the Bible that became a burning issue.. That's when the shift to matrilineal linage began.

They were told to dump their foreign wives and children of those unions. Of course many wouldn't do that.. The result was the first Diaspora.

OMG!
Leviticus, Deuteronomy.
When's the last time you actually read 10 verses in a row from these 2 of the 5 books of Moshe?
You are very quickly starting to lose your validity on this issue.
These two Books of the Torah have, "And God said to Moshe", written in them HUNDREDS of times.
Moshe died BEFORE entering Israel.
If these books were written after the Babylonian exile, THE FIRST TEMPLE COULDN'T FUNCTION!
The Jews COULDN'T BE KOSHER before the Babylonian exile!

Take a step back; you're a nice person but your historical perspective is preposterous.

 

[SAYIT]

You laugh at genocide??

Regardless, please note that your comment isn't relevant to this thread.

Silly girl. In light of the facts I find the claim of genocide to be laughable.

You're the one who brought up genocide.

I'm the one who said you are on the wrong thread.

That's a bit disingenuous of you Will. Evidently integrity isn't part of your character. You charged me with laughing at genocide and as the reconstructed thread below reveals, I was responding to your bogus ethnic cleansing claims.

Quote: Originally Posted by MJB12741
Bless you for brining up this issue of "ethnic cleansing" so even those Zionists can see the truth. In 1948 there were approximarely 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just under 6 million of them left. Let the truth be known to all & LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

Quote: Originally Posted by WillReadmore
Your new excuse for ethnic cleansing is even more pathetic than the current excuses.

Quote: Originally Posted by SAYIT
Some genocide, eh?