Christians United For Israel

[Indeependent]

The VERY sad fact is that NO Arab nations want these Bedouins; they bring nothing to the table except as political pawns.
They are NOT allowed into Jordan.
If they crossed the border they would be shot dead to rot in the sun.

Why should they want them?

Their ancestral homeland is right where they are.

Wrong again In fact --etymologists and anthropologists have determined
that the BEDOUINS of the Negev are MIGRANTS FROM ARABIA -----Bedoouins --
have roamed over LARGE AREAS for centuries----ignoring national borders----
they have no actual "HOMELAND" ---except for many who migrated fairly recently---
ie in the approximately the past 1500 years FROM ARABIA -------the same is true of
bedouins of SINAI ----and---of course---of Jordan. Your notion that Bedouins have
STAYED PUT for thousands of years is actually ludicrous. Bedouins are
nothing new------they are described in the bible and talmud------caravan robbers and
SLAVE TRADERS-----arabians. -----they followed their herds and the caravan
trails. As caravans traveled from the east ------to west----even as far as Libya---
they moved along the same trails and back and forth ----etc etc. They are DEFINED
in the talmud as having -----NO HOMES-----nomads (also illiterate and dangerous)

Their language is arabic-----they did not LEARN arabic because of arab invasion---
it is their native tongue because they ORIGINATED IN ARABIA For the record---
the muslims of SUDAN----also orginated in ARABIA------they are arabs who developed
sudan as a slave trading outpost more than 2000 years ago. The muslims of KHARTOUM---
identify themselves as "ARABS" and they are right------they are true arabs originating
in arabia

Oh, come on!
KILL THE JEWS!

 

[irosie91]

Why should they want them?

Their ancestral homeland is right where they are.

Wrong again In fact --etymologists and anthropologists have determined
that the BEDOUINS of the Negev are MIGRANTS FROM ARABIA -----Bedoouins --
have roamed over LARGE AREAS for centuries----ignoring national borders----
they have no actual "HOMELAND" ---except for many who migrated fairly recently---
ie in the approximately the past 1500 years FROM ARABIA -------the same is true of
bedouins of SINAI ----and---of course---of Jordan. Your notion that Bedouins have
STAYED PUT for thousands of years is actually ludicrous. Bedouins are
nothing new------they are described in the bible and talmud------caravan robbers and
SLAVE TRADERS-----arabians. -----they followed their herds and the caravan
trails. As caravans traveled from the east ------to west----even as far as Libya---
they moved along the same trails and back and forth ----etc etc. They are DEFINED
in the talmud as having -----NO HOMES-----nomads (also illiterate and dangerous)

Their language is arabic-----they did not LEARN arabic because of arab invasion---
it is their native tongue because they ORIGINATED IN ARABIA For the record---
the muslims of SUDAN----also orginated in ARABIA------they are arabs who developed
sudan as a slave trading outpost more than 2000 years ago. The muslims of KHARTOUM---
identify themselves as "ARABS" and they are right------they are true arabs originating
in arabia

Oh, come on!
KILL THE JEWS!

Today? It's christmas day----what would tiny tim say?

 

[Billo_Really]

Wrong again In fact --etymologists and anthropologists have determined
that the BEDOUINS of the Negev are MIGRANTS FROM ARABIA -----Bedoouins --
have roamed over LARGE AREAS for centuries----ignoring national borders----
they have no actual "HOMELAND" ---except for many who migrated fairly recently---
ie in the approximately the past 1500 years FROM ARABIA -------the same is true of
bedouins of SINAI ----and---of course---of Jordan. Your notion that Bedouins have
STAYED PUT for thousands of years is actually ludicrous. Bedouins are
nothing new------they are described in the bible and talmud------caravan robbers and
SLAVE TRADERS-----arabians. -----they followed their herds and the caravan
trails. As caravans traveled from the east ------to west----even as far as Libya---
they moved along the same trails and back and forth ----etc etc. They are DEFINED
in the talmud as having -----NO HOMES-----nomads (also illiterate and dangerous)

Their language is arabic-----they did not LEARN arabic because of arab invasion---
it is their native tongue because they ORIGINATED IN ARABIA For the record---
the muslims of SUDAN----also orginated in ARABIA------they are arabs who developed
sudan as a slave trading outpost more than 2000 years ago. The muslims of KHARTOUM---
identify themselves as "ARABS" and they are right------they are true arabs originating
in arabia

Bullshit propaganda.

 

[aris2chat]

A dream of a flying horse

On this peaceful, blessed event of Christmas, let us all join together in thanking our Christian brothers for their united support for Israel...

Not if the Knesset declares Jerusalem the capital of Israel.

Wouldn't be much of a difference as the Mossad is probably thwarting numerous terrorist attacks on a daily basis.
I'd like to see Israel piss off the US State Department.

And before I forget, what exactly is the relationship between Islam and Jerusalem?
Oh, that's right, there isn't any.

 

[Billo_Really]

A dream of a flying horse

That's not as stupid as thinking God "chose" you.

 

[Shaarona]

The VERY sad fact is that NO Arab nations want these Bedouins; they bring nothing to the table except as political pawns.
They are NOT allowed into Jordan.
If they crossed the border they would be shot dead to rot in the sun.

Why should they want them?

Their ancestral homeland is right where they are.

Wrong again In fact --etymologists and anthropologists have determined
that the BEDOUINS of the Negev are MIGRANTS FROM ARABIA -----Bedoouins --
have roamed over LARGE AREAS for centuries----ignoring national borders----
they have no actual "HOMELAND" ---except for many who migrated fairly recently---
ie in the approximately the past 1500 years FROM ARABIA -------the same is true of
bedouins of SINAI ----and---of course---of Jordan. Your notion that Bedouins have
STAYED PUT for thousands of years is actually ludicrous. Bedouins are
nothing new------they are described in the bible and talmud------caravan robbers and
SLAVE TRADERS-----arabians. -----they followed their herds and the caravan
trails. As caravans traveled from the east ------to west----even as far as Libya---
they moved along the same trails and back and forth ----etc etc. They are DEFINED
in the talmud as having -----NO HOMES-----nomads (also illiterate and dangerous)

Their language is arabic-----they did not LEARN arabic because of arab invasion---
it is their native tongue because they ORIGINATED IN ARABIA For the record---
the muslims of SUDAN----also orginated in ARABIA------they are arabs who developed
sudan as a slave trading outpost more than 2000 years ago. The muslims of KHARTOUM---
identify themselves as "ARABS" and they are right------they are true arabs originating
in arabia

You are partially right.. But the migrations north out of Arabia began over six thousand years ago.. and many settled in towns, villages and oases. Bedouin groups have close relations with settled groups... often taking the live stock of the townspeople in search of pasture. The Bedu depend on settled people for grain, pottery, textiles, date and various other goods.

The settled people depend on the Bedu for meat, leather, trade goods, salt, etc. Most Bedu tribes had symbiotic relationships with towns and villages all over the West Bank.

They were robbers and herders and also traders from Mesopotamia to the Levant to Egypt to Bahrain.

The reason they speak Arabic in northern Sudan is because the Arabs have traded with the Sudanese for thousands of years.

 

[Shaarona]

A dream of a flying horse

Not if the Knesset declares Jerusalem the capital of Israel.

Wouldn't be much of a difference as the Mossad is probably thwarting numerous terrorist attacks on a daily basis.
I'd like to see Israel piss off the US State Department.

And before I forget, what exactly is the relationship between Islam and Jerusalem?
Oh, that's right, there isn't any.

There were Arabs in Jerusalem as early as the end of the Babylonian exile.. and there were Arab tribes in Samaria as early as 700 BC.

 

[aris2chat]

Jesus believed in and taught the torah, but you don't?
Chosen to carry for a purpose, to be the prophets and preserve the torah. Chosen to prepare the next temple. It is not about superiority, but part of the binding agreement between god and the jewish people was returning the jews to their homeland and housing the torah and commandments in Jerusalem.
Abraham's other seven children were sent to find a place elsewhere in the world. Issac was to inherit Abraham's tribe and lands, and Jacob inherited the lands and promises from Issac, and the jewish people from the tribes of Jacob. Moses returned the people to land of their forefathers.
Neither the bible nor the quran dispute this, except that Ishmael was the one Abraham was going to sacrifice as first born, but tribal law of the time, even arabic tribal law, the illegitimate son, offspring of a concubine or servant, does not inherit before the true son. Ishmael would have been fifth in line not even second let alone first. There were three other legitimate sons beside Issac.

A dream of a flying horse

That's not as stupid as thinking God "chose" you.

 

[irosie91]

A dream of a flying horse

Wouldn't be much of a difference as the Mossad is probably thwarting numerous terrorist attacks on a daily basis.
I'd like to see Israel piss off the US State Department.

And before I forget, what exactly is the relationship between Islam and Jerusalem?
Oh, that's right, there isn't any.

There were Arabs in Jerusalem as early as the end of the Babylonian exile.. and there were Arab tribes in Samaria as early as 700 BC.

really? a few arabs wandered into Jerusalem? how do you know? It is not
at all impossible----by then jews had lived in arabia for many centuries---and in
ethiopia and in Yemen-----in fact jews had already been in Afghanistan and in India ----and asians had gotten into North america via the Bering straits -----what is your point---
HUMANS MOVE AROUND? -------so??? nope---there were no "arab tribes" in samaria------you are confused--------arab tribes were in arabia. That is why they were called "arab tribes" What language did those 'samarian arab tribes' of your 'imagination speak?

 

[Shaarona]

A dream of a flying horse

There were Arabs in Jerusalem as early as the end of the Babylonian exile.. and there were Arab tribes in Samaria as early as 700 BC.

really? a few arabs wandered into Jerusalem? how do you know? It is not
at all impossible----by then jews had lived in arabia for many centuries---and in
ethiopia and in Yemen-----in fact jews had already been in Afghanistan and in India ----and asians had gotten into North america via the Bering straits -----what is your point---
HUMANS MOVE AROUND? -------so??? nope---there were no "arab tribes" in samaria------you are confused--------arab tribes were in arabia. That is why they were called "arab tribes" What language did those 'samarian arab tribes' of your 'imagination speak?

The spoke Western Semitic and South Semetic...

The Torah speaks of Arabs in Jerusalem at the end of the Babylonian exile.

Joseph's brothers sold him to the Ishmaelites.

Sargon 2 settled four Arab tribes that he had conquered in Samaria.



2 Kings 17:24 The king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Avva, and from Hamath and Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel; and they possessed Samaria, and lived in the cities of it

 

[aris2chat]

Joseph was sold to traveling traders.
and Sargon II settled nomadic Chaldean and Aramaean tribes, from northern Syria and eastern Turkey.

There were Arabs in Jerusalem as early as the end of the Babylonian exile.. and there were Arab tribes in Samaria as early as 700 BC.

really? a few arabs wandered into Jerusalem? how do you know? It is not
at all impossible----by then jews had lived in arabia for many centuries---and in
ethiopia and in Yemen-----in fact jews had already been in Afghanistan and in India ----and asians had gotten into North america via the Bering straits -----what is your point---
HUMANS MOVE AROUND? -------so??? nope---there were no "arab tribes" in samaria------you are confused--------arab tribes were in arabia. That is why they were called "arab tribes" What language did those 'samarian arab tribes' of your 'imagination speak?

The spoke Western Semitic and South Semetic...

The Torah speaks of Arabs in Jerusalem at the end of the Babylonian exile.

Joseph's brothers sold him to the Ishmaelites.

Sargon 2 settled four Arab tribes that he had conquered in Samaria.



2 Kings 17:24 The king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Avva, and from Hamath and Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel; and they possessed Samaria, and lived in the cities of it

 

[Shaarona]

Joseph was sold to traveling traders.
and Sargon II settled nomadic Chaldean and Aramaean tribes, from northern Syria and eastern Turkey.

really? a few arabs wandered into Jerusalem? how do you know? It is not
at all impossible----by then jews had lived in arabia for many centuries---and in
ethiopia and in Yemen-----in fact jews had already been in Afghanistan and in India ----and asians had gotten into North america via the Bering straits -----what is your point---
HUMANS MOVE AROUND? -------so??? nope---there were no "arab tribes" in samaria------you are confused--------arab tribes were in arabia. That is why they were called "arab tribes" What language did those 'samarian arab tribes' of your 'imagination speak?

The spoke Western Semitic and South Semetic...

The Torah speaks of Arabs in Jerusalem at the end of the Babylonian exile.

Joseph's brothers sold him to the Ishmaelites.

Sargon 2 settled four Arab tribes that he had conquered in Samaria.



2 Kings 17:24 The king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Avva, and from Hamath and Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel; and they possessed Samaria, and lived in the cities of it

The Bible says the traders were Ishmaelites.

The Chaldean's homeland was in the relatively poor country in the far south of Mesopotamia, at the head of the Persian Gulf. They first came to prominence in the late 8th Century BC.

Remember that both Moses and Abraham had Arab wives.

Arabs were in Syria very early.

The Book of Jubilees, in the other hand, claims that the sons of Ishmael intermingled with the 6 sons of Keturah, from Abraham, and their descendants were called Arabs and Ishmaelites:

Book of Jubilees 20:13 And Ishmael and his sons, and the sons of Keturah and their sons, went together and dwelt from Paran to the entering in of Babylon in all the land which is towards the East facing the desert. And these mingled with each other, and their name was called Arabs, and Ishmaelites.


The first written evidence of "Arab" occurs in an Assyrian inscription of 853 BCE, where Shalmaneser III lists a King Gindibu of mâtu arbâi (Arab land) as among the people he defeated at the Battle of Karkar.

 

[aris2chat]

Babylonians back then were not distiguished as arab, and Chaldean were Assyrians and more closely related to armenians and kurds of north eastern syria than to arabs, who invaded Sassanid territory in what is now Iraq in 633 AD.

Joseph was sold to traveling traders.
and Sargon II settled nomadic Chaldean and Aramaean tribes, from northern Syria and eastern Turkey.

The spoke Western Semitic and South Semetic...

The Torah speaks of Arabs in Jerusalem at the end of the Babylonian exile.

Joseph's brothers sold him to the Ishmaelites.

Sargon 2 settled four Arab tribes that he had conquered in Samaria.



2 Kings 17:24 The king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Avva, and from Hamath and Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel; and they possessed Samaria, and lived in the cities of it

The Bible says the traders were Ishmaelites.

The Chaldean's homeland was in the relatively poor country in the far south of Mesopotamia, at the head of the Persian Gulf. They first came to prominence in the late 8th Century BC.

Remember that both Moses and Abraham had Arab wives.

Arabs were in Syria very early.

The Book of Jubilees, in the other hand, claims that the sons of Ishmael intermingled with the 6 sons of Keturah, from Abraham, and their descendants were called Arabs and Ishmaelites:

Book of Jubilees 20:13 And Ishmael and his sons, and the sons of Keturah and their sons, went together and dwelt from Paran to the entering in of Babylon in all the land which is towards the East facing the desert. And these mingled with each other, and their name was called Arabs, and Ishmaelites.


The first written evidence of "Arab" occurs in an Assyrian inscription of 853 BCE, where Shalmaneser III lists a King Gindibu of mâtu arbâi (Arab land) as among the people he defeated at the Battle of Karkar.

 

[Shaarona]

Babylonians back then were not distiguished as arab, and Chaldean were Assyrians and more closely related to armenians and kurds of north eastern syria than to arabs, who invaded Sassanid territory in what is now Iraq in 633 AD.

Joseph was sold to traveling traders.
and Sargon II settled nomadic Chaldean and Aramaean tribes, from northern Syria and eastern Turkey.

The Bible says the traders were Ishmaelites.

The Chaldean's homeland was in the relatively poor country in the far south of Mesopotamia, at the head of the Persian Gulf. They first came to prominence in the late 8th Century BC.

Remember that both Moses and Abraham had Arab wives.

Arabs were in Syria very early.

The Book of Jubilees, in the other hand, claims that the sons of Ishmael intermingled with the 6 sons of Keturah, from Abraham, and their descendants were called Arabs and Ishmaelites:

Book of Jubilees 20:13 And Ishmael and his sons, and the sons of Keturah and their sons, went together and dwelt from Paran to the entering in of Babylon in all the land which is towards the East facing the desert. And these mingled with each other, and their name was called Arabs, and Ishmaelites.


The first written evidence of "Arab" occurs in an Assyrian inscription of 853 BCE, where Shalmaneser III lists a King Gindibu of mâtu arbâi (Arab land) as among the people he defeated at the Battle of Karkar.

Arabs mixed with Assyrians and Chaldeans very early because they began leaving Arabia very early.. As the well-watered Savannah of Arabian peninsula became more and more arid between 10,000 and 6,000 BC they migrated in waves.

Even assuming that Abraham and Moses were fictional characters or some sort of literary devices... they probably represented a true history of the movement of people... that is backed up by archeology, changes in language and geologic changes in the region.

 

[irosie91]

Babylonians back then were not distiguished as arab, and Chaldean were Assyrians and more closely related to armenians and kurds of north eastern syria than to arabs, who invaded Sassanid territory in what is now Iraq in 633 AD.

The Bible says the traders were Ishmaelites.

The Chaldean's homeland was in the relatively poor country in the far south of Mesopotamia, at the head of the Persian Gulf. They first came to prominence in the late 8th Century BC.

Remember that both Moses and Abraham had Arab wives.

Arabs were in Syria very early.

The Book of Jubilees, in the other hand, claims that the sons of Ishmael intermingled with the 6 sons of Keturah, from Abraham, and their descendants were called Arabs and Ishmaelites:

Book of Jubilees 20:13 And Ishmael and his sons, and the sons of Keturah and their sons, went together and dwelt from Paran to the entering in of Babylon in all the land which is towards the East facing the desert. And these mingled with each other, and their name was called Arabs, and Ishmaelites.


The first written evidence of "Arab" occurs in an Assyrian inscription of 853 BCE, where Shalmaneser III lists a King Gindibu of mâtu arbâi (Arab land) as among the people he defeated at the Battle of Karkar.

Arabs mixed with Assyrians and Chaldeans very early because they began leaving Arabia very early.. As the well-watered Savannah of Arabian peninsula became more and more arid between 10,000 and 6,000 BC they migrated in waves.

Even assuming that Abraham and Moses were fictional characters or some sort of literary devices... they probably represented a true history of the movement of people... that is backed up by archeology, changes in language and geologic changes in the region.

right----humans move lots and MIX lots-------but that does not make them "arabs" -----

arabs back then -lived in ARABIA and spoke arabic. "sons of ishmael" is not
synonymous with "arabs" chaldeans lived in mesopotamia----not arabia

who was the "arab" wife of moses? no doubt-----the stories of the bible
do represent migrations of people--------generally peoples of mesopotamia and
egypt and canaan-----not particularly arabia. ------arabia is ON THE WAY TO THE
EAST -----and sorta to ethiopia --------- it was wilderness -----without literacy
until about 300 AD

you are confusing that which is called "arabs" today with-----the arabs of arabia ----
2500 years ago

 

[aris2chat]

Sasanians were persian not arab and to call one the other would be an insult

 

[irosie91]

Sasanians were persian not arab and to call one the other would be an insult

even back then-? oh ok Long ago when I was young-----and had a weekend
job in a large hospital-------evening receptionist----saturday nite when nothing was
happening. ---------A new doc from "OVERSEAS" showed up -----told me his name---
and said sharply "I AM NOT AN ARAB"-----------sheeeesh I did not accuse him
of being an arab...... well-----he was Iranian------it was my intro to the
utter hatred iranians have for arabs ------as it turned out -----he also despised
his pakistani room-mate. ------somethings never change. There is more---
even SHIITES from pakistan and india-------got dirty looks from the Iranians

???? some things never change, I cannot figure out how
HEZBOLLAH functions -----in today's " arab" lands Iranians I knew back then
mocked anything now called "arab" from the music to the cuisine

 

[Shaarona]

Babylonians back then were not distiguished as arab, and Chaldean were Assyrians and more closely related to armenians and kurds of north eastern syria than to arabs, who invaded Sassanid territory in what is now Iraq in 633 AD.

Arabs mixed with Assyrians and Chaldeans very early because they began leaving Arabia very early.. As the well-watered Savannah of Arabian peninsula became more and more arid between 10,000 and 6,000 BC they migrated in waves.

Even assuming that Abraham and Moses were fictional characters or some sort of literary devices... they probably represented a true history of the movement of people... that is backed up by archeology, changes in language and geologic changes in the region.

right----humans move lots and MIX lots-------but that does not make them "arabs" -----

arabs back then -lived in ARABIA and spoke arabic. "sons of ishmael" is not
synonymous with "arabs" chaldeans lived in mesopotamia----not arabia

who was the "arab" wife of moses? no doubt-----the stories of the bible
do represent migrations of people--------generally peoples of mesopotamia and
egypt and canaan-----not particularly arabia. ------arabia is ON THE WAY TO THE
EAST -----and sorta to ethiopia --------- it was wilderness -----without literacy
until about 300 AD

you are confusing that which is called "arabs" today with-----the arabs of arabia ----
2500 years ago

It is referred to as Arbah or Aribi.. They were trading with and intermarrying with people all along their rather extensive trade routes.. and they were not illiterate. There are thousands of cuneiform tablets all over Arabia.

The 9,000 year old Maqar civilization was very sophisticated. you should see the artifacts... and Wall paintings.

 

[Billo_Really]

Jesus believed in and taught the torah, but you don't?
Chosen to carry for a purpose, to be the prophets and preserve the torah. Chosen to prepare the next temple. It is not about superiority, but part of the binding agreement between god and the jewish people was returning the jews to their homeland and housing the torah and commandments in Jerusalem.
Abraham's other seven children were sent to find a place elsewhere in the world. Issac was to inherit Abraham's tribe and lands, and Jacob inherited the lands and promises from Issac, and the jewish people from the tribes of Jacob. Moses returned the people to land of their forefathers.
Neither the bible nor the quran dispute this, except that Ishmael was the one Abraham was going to sacrifice as first born, but tribal law of the time, even arabic tribal law, the illegitimate son, offspring of a concubine or servant, does not inherit before the true son. Ishmael would have been fifth in line not even second let alone first. There were three other legitimate sons beside Issac.

Yeah, but according to the Torah, the jews are to remain in exile until God comes back down to earth. Granted, I'm no expert on Judaism, but isn't that what the Three Strong Oaths say?

 

[Shaarona]

Sasanians were persian not arab and to call one the other would be an insult

even back then-? oh ok Long ago when I was young-----and had a weekend
job in a large hospital-------evening receptionist----saturday nite when nothing was
happening. ---------A new doc from "OVERSEAS" showed up -----told me his name---
and said sharply "I AM NOT AN ARAB"-----------sheeeesh I did not accuse him
of being an arab...... well-----he was Iranian------it was my intro to the
utter hatred iranians have for arabs ------as it turned out -----he also despised
his pakistani room-mate. ------somethings never change. There is more---
even SHIITES from pakistan and india-------got dirty looks from the Iranians

???? some things never change, I cannot figure out how
HEZBOLLAH functions -----in today's " arab" lands Iranians I knew back then
mocked anything now called "arab" from the music to the cuisine

Very true.. the Iranians consider themselves to be Persians..

I am not Arab, but I made many trips to Iran back in the day.