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God is neither catholic nor baptist nor methodist nor mormon nor muslim, but He indeed is God of us all, and if you fail treat others fairly and lovingly and in a Christ-like manner, you will come to rue the day and collapse in anguish and tears on that awesome day to come. Amen.
God is neither catholic nor baptist nor methodist nor mormon nor muslim, but He indeed is God of us all, and if you fail treat others fairly and lovingly and in a Christ-like manner, you will come to rue the day and collapse in anguish and tears on that awesome day to come. Amen.
That's as much a faith-based position as claiming that God believes only X denomination or religion is the true religion. For all you know God could see Baptists as the only ones who truly get it and cast everyone else into hell.
Incorrect.Pretty stupid, although Sunni Man is an unbelieving atheist.
I am not an atheist. ..
Again, why don't you show us Scripture on what Jesus wants. Otherwise proclaim your lord to be Lucifer and be done with it. Every true Christian on here knows you worship a false god, and his name is Lucifer.
You wish people to think you are a Christian, but have nothing to back up that claim. Now yell upstairs to your mother and get your cookies and milk before your nap time.
Ok, I will. Read Mathew 7:1-3.
I thought you didn't give a 'rats ass' about Scripture there Vandal, glad to see you read some of it, now I will tell you what it means.
Matthew 7: 1"Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
These verses do not say that men should not judge one another. As much as many people wish they did. They say that if you judge someone, that same standard of measure will be used against you on the judgment day. I don't fear the judgment day, as many other Christians do not fear the judgment day, for they follow the next verse as well.
Jesus also says in
John 7:24"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."
Thanks for deciding to give a 'rats ass' hope you learned something.
There is not a whole lot of difference between today's Christianity, and country clubs and fraternities. You must prove yourself worthy to join. When I was a kid, that automatically excluded anyone with dark skin, in my home in Atlanta. God forbid that a sinner enter the sacred halls of the anointed ones. The church in question should just go full bore and imitate the Mormons, and give out "Temple passes" to the chosen ones.
None are worthy to be in the Presence of God. We are all saved through Grace. Nothing we do here can make us worthy. Being the best person that ever lived and saving thousands of people from death could not make us worthy. Only the Blood of the Lamb, which covers our sin, lets us live in the Presence of God.
A true Christian Church would welcome anyone, who was there to try to find the Truth, the Way and the Life. If they do not, then they are not a Christian Church. But for those who come to the door, just to spread their own brand of hate and lies and mis-directions, they may not be welcomed by the Church.
That's not right Vandal...The church, in this instance, is turning their self-righteous backs on the family of the deceased, because of sex acts that he performed with a man, every one of which, I have performed with my wife. They are, in fact, directly on the side of Westbro Baptist Church. Nobody that I know would prohibit those bastards from exercising their religious beliefs, no matter how disgusting and sanctimonious. The same is true of the church who denied the funeral for the deceased gay. It is important to me that these "Christians' have the right to reveal themselves as the assholes they are, because the world should know that they are beneath contempt. The whole thing reminds me of when Pat Roberts starts on one of his rants about AIDS being God's curse on gays, while totally ignoring those dying from it from blood transfusions and inheriting it as a child through no fault of his own.
May these people reap what they sow.
The church isn't turning their back on anyone.
They have doctrines they believe in and uphold.
Doctrines that the deceased clearly did not hold.
You can't expect them to turn around and condone the deceased lifestyle.
Yes, funerals are for the living, for the dead know nothing, but the deceased died while living in sin. The church isn't obligated to have their funeral there.
Religion is such a personal choice, why not have the funeral at a church who believes in what the deceased believed in rather than forcing a church that doesn't to?
[MENTION=42404]Vandalshandle[/MENTION]
Kind of reminds me of when the Catholic church told my wife that her first baby, which was born dead, could not be buried in consecrated ground because the child had not been baptized. That is when she walked out of the church, and never returned.
Here is Catholic Canon:
May unbaptized babies receive a Catholic funeral? What about miscarried babies? If a childs parents intended to have their child baptized but the child died before the sacrament could be administered, the local ordinary may allow the child to have a Catholic funeral (cf. Canon 1183.2).
From your wife's actions I find it entirely plausible that she was a Catholic in name only and that the local Church leaders didn't believe that she met the condition of bring her child into the community of Catholics via baptism and so, as a stranger to the church, they denied her the right to bury an unbaptized child amongst all those who had had baptism and entered into a Catholic fellowship.
There are two sides to consider here - those who are buried, and their families, and your wife's position.
Catholic law allows such burials and it doesn't penalize faithful Catholic parents whose child died before they were able to baptize the child. No Church-man is going to PURPOSELY antagonize a FAITHFUL Catholic parishioner in this way, but a stranger to the Church is not owed the benefit of the doubt.
Kind of reminds me of when the Catholic church told my wife that her first baby, which was born dead, could not be buried in consecrated ground because the child had not been baptized. That is when she walked out of the church, and never returned.
Here is Catholic Canon:
May unbaptized babies receive a Catholic funeral? What about miscarried babies? If a childs parents intended to have their child baptized but the child died before the sacrament could be administered, the local ordinary may allow the child to have a Catholic funeral (cf. Canon 1183.2).
From your wife's actions I find it entirely plausible that she was a Catholic in name only and that the local Church leaders didn't believe that she met the condition of bring her child into the community of Catholics via baptism and so, as a stranger to the church, they denied her the right to bury an unbaptized child amongst all those who had had baptism and entered into a Catholic fellowship.
There are two sides to consider here - those who are buried, and their families, and your wife's position.
Catholic law allows such burials and it doesn't penalize faithful Catholic parents whose child died before they were able to baptize the child. No Church-man is going to PURPOSELY antagonize a FAITHFUL Catholic parishioner in this way, but a stranger to the Church is not owed the benefit of the doubt.
Nice! The priest, who one would think is there to comfort the grieving not only tells the grieving mother that her child can not be buried in consecrated ground, since it was not baptized, but that she will never see the child in the afterlife, because it will spend eternity in limbo.
Although this happened 14 years before I met her, I was extremely proud when she told me that that she did not even excuse herself as she left the church and the priest. She simply stood, turned, and walked away, never to return.
I have been told that priests nowadays have minimalized the whole "limbo" thing.
Too Little. Too late.
Here is Catholic Canon:
May unbaptized babies receive a Catholic funeral? What about miscarried babies? If a child’s parents intended to have their child baptized but the child died before the sacrament could be administered, the local ordinary may allow the child to have a Catholic funeral (cf. Canon 1183.2).
From your wife's actions I find it entirely plausible that she was a Catholic in name only and that the local Church leaders didn't believe that she met the condition of bring her child into the community of Catholics via baptism and so, as a stranger to the church, they denied her the right to bury an unbaptized child amongst all those who had had baptism and entered into a Catholic fellowship.
...and you completely missunderstand that I have never posted a word regarding religion in an effort to change their incredibly bigoted beliefs. I post only to mock their hipocracy. It is like the Republicans. The more they demonize coloreds, marginalize women, demean gays, and pretty much find fault with everone but themselves, the better off the democratic party is in comparison.
No. I would not change this churches "rules". I simply call them out on their completely unChristlike behavior. I don't have to deal with them, after all; nor, would I want to.
TAMPA, FL (WFLA) - Julie Atwood was standing at her son's casket when the phone rang. The church where her son's funeral was scheduled to be held the next day decided to abruptly cancel the service, after the pastor learned the deceased was gay and his obituary listed a surviving "husband."
Atwood said she was told it would be "blasphemous" to hold the services at the church because her son, Julion Evans, 42, was gay.
He says the obituary named him as "husband," and that their marriage was no secret.
But when the obituary published in the local newspaper, everything changed.
T.W. Jenkins, pastor at New Hope says was not aware of that Evans had a husband or was gay until members of his congregation saw the obit and called to complain. They did not think it was right to have the funeral at their church.
Jenkins said his church preaches against gay marriage.
"Based on our preaching of the scripture, we would have been in error to allow the service in our church," Jenkins said. "I'm not trying to condemn anyone's lifestyle, but at the same time, I am a man of God, and I have to stand up for my principles."
Church denies funeral to gay man - WRCBtv.com | Chattanooga News, Weather & Sports
They should have checked.
You're reacting, not responding.That's not right Vandal...The church, in this instance, is turning their self-righteous backs on the family of the deceased, because of sex acts that he performed with a man, every one of which, I have performed with my wife. They are, in fact, directly on the side of Westbro Baptist Church. Nobody that I know would prohibit those bastards from exercising their religious beliefs, no matter how disgusting and sanctimonious. The same is true of the church who denied the funeral for the deceased gay. It is important to me that these "Christians' have the right to reveal themselves as the assholes they are, because the world should know that they are beneath contempt. The whole thing reminds me of when Pat Roberts starts on one of his rants about AIDS being God's curse on gays, while totally ignoring those dying from it from blood transfusions and inheriting it as a child through no fault of his own.
May these people reap what they sow.
The church isn't turning their back on anyone.
They have doctrines they believe in and uphold.
Doctrines that the deceased clearly did not hold.
You can't expect them to turn around and condone the deceased lifestyle.
Yes, funerals are for the living, for the dead know nothing, but the deceased died while living in sin. The church isn't obligated to have their funeral there.
Religion is such a personal choice, why not have the funeral at a church who believes in what the deceased believed in rather than forcing a church that doesn't to?
[MENTION=42404]Vandalshandle[/MENTION]
I see that you have earned the seal of approval by Sunni Man.
I rest my case.
You're reacting, not responding.That's not right Vandal...
The church isn't turning their back on anyone.
They have doctrines they believe in and uphold.
Doctrines that the deceased clearly did not hold.
You can't expect them to turn around and condone the deceased lifestyle.
Yes, funerals are for the living, for the dead know nothing, but the deceased died while living in sin. The church isn't obligated to have their funeral there.
Religion is such a personal choice, why not have the funeral at a church who believes in what the deceased believed in rather than forcing a church that doesn't to?
[MENTION=42404]Vandalshandle[/MENTION]
I see that you have earned the seal of approval by Sunni Man.
I rest my case.
Please respond to what I said.
If the church doesn't allow it, then the queers should find another church.
It wouldn't be allowed in my church (Catholic).
Two men porking, sucking/fucking .... tsk tsk
They need to get to confession.
You're reacting, not responding.I see that you have earned the seal of approval by Sunni Man.
I rest my case.
Please respond to what I said.
I invite you to Google the Unitarians. That is as close as I would ever come to attending a church. In a nutshell, all are welcome, whether or not they even believe in a supreme being. Is it right for everyone? Of course not.
Jesus probably liked cock too, he had lots of male friends, but a girlfriend? Never? That's never as in never had a girlfriend, which makes him gay.
Troll dickwad.
Can you say with 100% certainty that Jesus didn't like cock?
You're reacting, not responding.
Please respond to what I said.
I invite you to Google the Unitarians. That is as close as I would ever come to attending a church. In a nutshell, all are welcome, whether or not they even believe in a supreme being. Is it right for everyone? Of course not.
This is as crazy as the Seattle preacher who is also a practicing Muslim:
Shortly after noon on Fridays, the Rev. Ann Holmes Redding ties on a black headscarf, preparing to pray with her Muslim group on First Hill.
On Sunday mornings, Redding puts on the white collar of an Episcopal priest.
She does both, she says, because she's Christian and Muslim.
Crazy people congregating together is fine, but playacting that they're actually a part of a religion is where it gets crazy for everyone else, those who aren't crazy. Religions are about the faithful believing in a common thing. It's really stretching the limits of credulity to argue that the common tie holding these people together is they believe everyone is correct. The person who hates the devil is in the same church as the person who loves the devil and they're both right. Only a freaking liberal could see sense in that.
I invite you to Google the Unitarians. That is as close as I would ever come to attending a church. In a nutshell, all are welcome, whether or not they even believe in a supreme being. Is it right for everyone? Of course not.
This is as crazy as the Seattle preacher who is also a practicing Muslim:
Shortly after noon on Fridays, the Rev. Ann Holmes Redding ties on a black headscarf, preparing to pray with her Muslim group on First Hill.
On Sunday mornings, Redding puts on the white collar of an Episcopal priest.
She does both, she says, because she's Christian and Muslim.
Crazy people congregating together is fine, but playacting that they're actually a part of a religion is where it gets crazy for everyone else, those who aren't crazy. Religions are about the faithful believing in a common thing. It's really stretching the limits of credulity to argue that the common tie holding these people together is they believe everyone is correct. The person who hates the devil is in the same church as the person who loves the devil and they're both right. Only a freaking liberal could see sense in that.
The Unitarians that I know never judge who is "correct", and who is not. It is all about mutual respect of our fellow human beings. That would include those that your church shuns as unworthy of being in your congregation.
