CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on complaint about Trump Ukraine call

[Coyote]

Here's your example of hyper partisan hypocrisy in action below for you.. That letter is actually in the Senate.gov archives with the 3 Dem Congress critters signatures on it.. APPARENTLY -- you want to refer them for prosecution as well... AMIRITE???

Here's the Independent "I don't give a flying fuck about Dems or Reps" view on all this.. There are HUNDREDS of things that are highly unethical and seditious that are NOT codified into "House or Senate or Prez Ethics"... And BOTH parties are so severely compromised by playing the loopholes, that NEITHER of them has a leg to stand on with "indignation"... They've been going at this power abuse thingy for so long now -- that EITHER OF THEM can away with anything short of murder. And I wouldn't be surprised if they crossed that bridge in the near future....

Hypocrites: Senate Dems Sent Letter Pressuring Ukraine To Investigate Trump In May 2018


Yes, the very same Democrats who are now supposedly aghast that President Trump asked the president of Ukraine to look into Joe Biden's family corruption, actually sent Ukraine a letter saying "U.S. assistance" was at stake unless the Ukrainian government complied with the bogus special counsel Robert Mueller investigation and conducted their own investigation into the president and his former aid Paul Manafort. Marc Theissen of the Washington Post brought this up yesterday, and after seeing what the president actually said to his call to the newly elected president Volodymyr Zelensky, it looks like the Democrats have nothing but egg on their face.

Here's what Theissen reported Tuesday:

It got almost no attention, but in May, CNN reported that Sens. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) wrote a letter to Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, expressing concern at the closing of four investigations they said were critical to the Mueller probe. In the letter, they implied that their support for U.S. assistance to Ukraine was at stake. Describing themselves as “strong advocates for a robust and close relationship with Ukraine,” the Democratic senators declared, “We have supported [the] capacity-building process and are disappointed that some in Kyiv appear to have cast aside these [democratic] principles to avoid the ire of President Trump,” before demanding Lutsenko “reverse course and halt any efforts to impede cooperation with this important investigation.”

So, it’s okay for Democratic senators to encourage Ukraine to investigate Trump, but it’s not okay for the president to allegedly encourage Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden?

Are you sure about that? They threatened Ukraine? Did they withhold money? Dangle the promise of a state visit?

Trump said they threatened. And in this hyperpartisan age, Trump plays by different rules and is judged by different rules apparently.

Instead of relying on Town Hall’s interpretation, here is the actual letter: https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/5-4-18 Menendez joint letter to General Prosecutor of Ukraine on Mueller investigation.pdf

And the context: a request to provide an explanation as to why Ukraine was impeding investigations related to the Mueller probe.

Was this a legitimate and legal investigation? Yes.

Was it for personal political benefit? No.

Were any threats made or delivered? No.

So how is this comparable to what we know so far regarding Trump’s actions with Ukraine, and, apparently, he is now flailing at China, to pressure them to investigate his political rival?

Here are some key points. Trump has plenty of legal and transparent channels he can use to conduct a legitimate investigation into corruption. He opted not to, and instead used his personal lawyer, recalled a career diplomat abruptly from Ukraine, and worked through people with a personal loyalty to him rather than the nation. Worse, attempting to suppress whistle blowers, threatening to expose them...and muse about the good old days of executing “traitors”.

It isn’t hyperpartisan to say this is very concerning, and it isn’t hyperpartisan to say that comparing this the what senators wrote on behalf of the Mueller investigation is a false equivalency.

The key points in the TownHall article are in the very first paragraph of that archived letter at senate.gov.. MASSIVE blatant threats in exchange for partisan political gain...

Trump does need to off Biden right now... I don't Dems often think deep enough about effective strategery.. If Trump was interested in the POLITICAL value of Biden's misdeeds with Ukraine, he would HOLD that arrow in the quiver until the party NOMINATES HIM... And then smash him with it... And THAT would be the end of that election.... No way is there equal value to making it an issue now other than pointing out the hypocrisy and corruption.....

But how was it for partisan political gain? It was for the Mueller investigation, Manafort had not been part of the Trump campaign for years and whatever they shared with Mueller's special counsel, was kept mum, from the public and congress critters....

And why do you think Trump asking the Ukraine president to work with Giuliani, his personal ala Michael Cohen fixer, to get political dirt on a political rival and his son, who were NOT under an official investigation by the USA, while holding back Congressional backed aid to fight off Russian aggression... until the Ukraine made a public announcement that they were investigating hunter biden is anyway near the same type of acts? And in addition the Ukraine proposed announcement letter was written by Ambassador Volker and others from Trump's group working with Giuliani...

THERE IS NO comparison in the two very different scenarios

one is legitimate

the other crooked

Wow, you really don't know what happened. Giuliani was working in Ukraine before the Mueller investigation wrapped up, he was investigating the genesis of the collusion delusion, the Bidens were brought up to him, he wasn't even looking at it. Biden wasn't even a candidate then.

.

Guiliani’s involvement with Ukraine goes back a ways but his focus on Biden is recent and convoluted.

Rudy Giuliani: Ukraine sources detail attempt to construct case against Biden

 

[Lakhota]

I was a Nixon supporter, until it became obvious that he was a crook who had violated his oath of office - then I turned on him and supported his impeachment. However, Nixon was a much greater American patriot than Trump and his supporters. Nixon would never have done what Trump has done. Never.

 

[Crepitus]

He confessed.

You remain the least informed person in the group
Others are trying
You are still winning

You haven't seen the "transcript"(that isn't actually a transcript) or heard him say he did it on tv?

I am completely informed

Not if you can say that with a straight face.

Remember -
You are the least informed person in the group.

You just keep telling yourself that Bucky.

 

[OKTexas]

Here's your example of hyper partisan hypocrisy in action below for you.. That letter is actually in the Senate.gov archives with the 3 Dem Congress critters signatures on it.. APPARENTLY -- you want to refer them for prosecution as well... AMIRITE???

Here's the Independent "I don't give a flying fuck about Dems or Reps" view on all this.. There are HUNDREDS of things that are highly unethical and seditious that are NOT codified into "House or Senate or Prez Ethics"... And BOTH parties are so severely compromised by playing the loopholes, that NEITHER of them has a leg to stand on with "indignation"... They've been going at this power abuse thingy for so long now -- that EITHER OF THEM can away with anything short of murder. And I wouldn't be surprised if they crossed that bridge in the near future....

Hypocrites: Senate Dems Sent Letter Pressuring Ukraine To Investigate Trump In May 2018


Yes, the very same Democrats who are now supposedly aghast that President Trump asked the president of Ukraine to look into Joe Biden's family corruption, actually sent Ukraine a letter saying "U.S. assistance" was at stake unless the Ukrainian government complied with the bogus special counsel Robert Mueller investigation and conducted their own investigation into the president and his former aid Paul Manafort. Marc Theissen of the Washington Post brought this up yesterday, and after seeing what the president actually said to his call to the newly elected president Volodymyr Zelensky, it looks like the Democrats have nothing but egg on their face.

Here's what Theissen reported Tuesday:

It got almost no attention, but in May, CNN reported that Sens. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) wrote a letter to Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, expressing concern at the closing of four investigations they said were critical to the Mueller probe. In the letter, they implied that their support for U.S. assistance to Ukraine was at stake. Describing themselves as “strong advocates for a robust and close relationship with Ukraine,” the Democratic senators declared, “We have supported [the] capacity-building process and are disappointed that some in Kyiv appear to have cast aside these [democratic] principles to avoid the ire of President Trump,” before demanding Lutsenko “reverse course and halt any efforts to impede cooperation with this important investigation.”

So, it’s okay for Democratic senators to encourage Ukraine to investigate Trump, but it’s not okay for the president to allegedly encourage Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden?

Are you sure about that? They threatened Ukraine? Did they withhold money? Dangle the promise of a state visit?

Trump said they threatened. And in this hyperpartisan age, Trump plays by different rules and is judged by different rules apparently.

Instead of relying on Town Hall’s interpretation, here is the actual letter: https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/5-4-18 Menendez joint letter to General Prosecutor of Ukraine on Mueller investigation.pdf

And the context: a request to provide an explanation as to why Ukraine was impeding investigations related to the Mueller probe.

Was this a legitimate and legal investigation? Yes.

Was it for personal political benefit? No.

Were any threats made or delivered? No.

So how is this comparable to what we know so far regarding Trump’s actions with Ukraine, and, apparently, he is now flailing at China, to pressure them to investigate his political rival?

Here are some key points. Trump has plenty of legal and transparent channels he can use to conduct a legitimate investigation into corruption. He opted not to, and instead used his personal lawyer, recalled a career diplomat abruptly from Ukraine, and worked through people with a personal loyalty to him rather than the nation. Worse, attempting to suppress whistle blowers, threatening to expose them...and muse about the good old days of executing “traitors”.

It isn’t hyperpartisan to say this is very concerning, and it isn’t hyperpartisan to say that comparing this the what senators wrote on behalf of the Mueller investigation is a false equivalency.

The key points in the TownHall article are in the very first paragraph of that archived letter at senate.gov.. MASSIVE blatant threats in exchange for partisan political gain...

Trump does need to off Biden right now... I don't Dems often think deep enough about effective strategery.. If Trump was interested in the POLITICAL value of Biden's misdeeds with Ukraine, he would HOLD that arrow in the quiver until the party NOMINATES HIM... And then smash him with it... And THAT would be the end of that election.... No way is there equal value to making it an issue now other than pointing out the hypocrisy and corruption.....

But how was it for partisan political gain? It was for the Mueller investigation, Manafort had not been part of the Trump campaign for years and whatever they shared with Mueller's special counsel, was kept mum, from the public and congress critters....

And why do you think Trump asking the Ukraine president to work with Giuliani, his personal ala Michael Cohen fixer, to get political dirt on a political rival and his son, who were NOT under an official investigation by the USA, while holding back Congressional backed aid to fight off Russian aggression... until the Ukraine made a public announcement that they were investigating hunter biden is anyway near the same type of acts? And in addition the Ukraine proposed announcement letter was written by Ambassador Volker and others from Trump's group working with Giuliani...

THERE IS NO comparison in the two very different scenarios

one is legitimate

the other crooked

Wow, you really don't know what happened. Giuliani was working in Ukraine before the Mueller investigation wrapped up, he was investigating the genesis of the collusion delusion, the Bidens were brought up to him, he wasn't even looking at it. Biden wasn't even a candidate then.

.

Guiliani’s involvement with Ukraine goes back a ways but his focus on Biden is recent and convoluted.

Rudy Giuliani: Ukraine sources detail attempt to construct case against Biden

Wow, could you find a more biased article. From the article:

Giuliani is accused of circumventing national security protocols as he scurried between Washington and Kyiv carrying private orders from the president, many of dubious legality.

Funny how they make an accusation and provided zero specifics.

.

 

[Care4all]

Here's your example of hyper partisan hypocrisy in action below for you.. That letter is actually in the Senate.gov archives with the 3 Dem Congress critters signatures on it.. APPARENTLY -- you want to refer them for prosecution as well... AMIRITE???

Here's the Independent "I don't give a flying fuck about Dems or Reps" view on all this.. There are HUNDREDS of things that are highly unethical and seditious that are NOT codified into "House or Senate or Prez Ethics"... And BOTH parties are so severely compromised by playing the loopholes, that NEITHER of them has a leg to stand on with "indignation"... They've been going at this power abuse thingy for so long now -- that EITHER OF THEM can away with anything short of murder. And I wouldn't be surprised if they crossed that bridge in the near future....

Hypocrites: Senate Dems Sent Letter Pressuring Ukraine To Investigate Trump In May 2018


Yes, the very same Democrats who are now supposedly aghast that President Trump asked the president of Ukraine to look into Joe Biden's family corruption, actually sent Ukraine a letter saying "U.S. assistance" was at stake unless the Ukrainian government complied with the bogus special counsel Robert Mueller investigation and conducted their own investigation into the president and his former aid Paul Manafort. Marc Theissen of the Washington Post brought this up yesterday, and after seeing what the president actually said to his call to the newly elected president Volodymyr Zelensky, it looks like the Democrats have nothing but egg on their face.

Here's what Theissen reported Tuesday:

It got almost no attention, but in May, CNN reported that Sens. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) wrote a letter to Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, expressing concern at the closing of four investigations they said were critical to the Mueller probe. In the letter, they implied that their support for U.S. assistance to Ukraine was at stake. Describing themselves as “strong advocates for a robust and close relationship with Ukraine,” the Democratic senators declared, “We have supported [the] capacity-building process and are disappointed that some in Kyiv appear to have cast aside these [democratic] principles to avoid the ire of President Trump,” before demanding Lutsenko “reverse course and halt any efforts to impede cooperation with this important investigation.”

So, it’s okay for Democratic senators to encourage Ukraine to investigate Trump, but it’s not okay for the president to allegedly encourage Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden?

Are you sure about that? They threatened Ukraine? Did they withhold money? Dangle the promise of a state visit?

Trump said they threatened. And in this hyperpartisan age, Trump plays by different rules and is judged by different rules apparently.

Instead of relying on Town Hall’s interpretation, here is the actual letter: https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/5-4-18 Menendez joint letter to General Prosecutor of Ukraine on Mueller investigation.pdf

And the context: a request to provide an explanation as to why Ukraine was impeding investigations related to the Mueller probe.

Was this a legitimate and legal investigation? Yes.

Was it for personal political benefit? No.

Were any threats made or delivered? No.

So how is this comparable to what we know so far regarding Trump’s actions with Ukraine, and, apparently, he is now flailing at China, to pressure them to investigate his political rival?

Here are some key points. Trump has plenty of legal and transparent channels he can use to conduct a legitimate investigation into corruption. He opted not to, and instead used his personal lawyer, recalled a career diplomat abruptly from Ukraine, and worked through people with a personal loyalty to him rather than the nation. Worse, attempting to suppress whistle blowers, threatening to expose them...and muse about the good old days of executing “traitors”.

It isn’t hyperpartisan to say this is very concerning, and it isn’t hyperpartisan to say that comparing this the what senators wrote on behalf of the Mueller investigation is a false equivalency.

The key points in the TownHall article are in the very first paragraph of that archived letter at senate.gov.. MASSIVE blatant threats in exchange for partisan political gain...

Trump does need to off Biden right now... I don't Dems often think deep enough about effective strategery.. If Trump was interested in the POLITICAL value of Biden's misdeeds with Ukraine, he would HOLD that arrow in the quiver until the party NOMINATES HIM... And then smash him with it... And THAT would be the end of that election.... No way is there equal value to making it an issue now other than pointing out the hypocrisy and corruption.....

But how was it for partisan political gain? It was for the Mueller investigation, Manafort had not been part of the Trump campaign for years and whatever they shared with Mueller's special counsel, was kept mum, from the public and congress critters....

And why do you think Trump asking the Ukraine president to work with Giuliani, his personal ala Michael Cohen fixer, to get political dirt on a political rival and his son, who were NOT under an official investigation by the USA, while holding back Congressional backed aid to fight off Russian aggression... until the Ukraine made a public announcement that they were investigating hunter biden is anyway near the same type of acts? And in addition the Ukraine proposed announcement letter was written by Ambassador Volker and others from Trump's group working with Giuliani...

THERE IS NO comparison in the two very different scenarios

one is legitimate

the other crooked

Wow, you really don't know what happened. Giuliani was working in Ukraine before the Mueller investigation wrapped up, he was investigating the genesis of the collusion delusion, the Bidens were brought up to him, he wasn't even looking at it. Biden wasn't even a candidate then.

.

YES Rudy's shady dealings in the Ukraine go way back...

Trump sent Giuliani to try to dig up information that could help Trump give MANAFORT a PARDON

and to make it look like the Ukraine did the attack on our elections, and not ordered by Putin and done by Russian Intelligence,

so that Trump could have reason to remove the sanctions on Russia for the interference,

the admin has also pressured the Ukraine President to work out some sort of deal giving up his country's land to Putin, to kiss and give up the stolen Crimea....

once this deal is done, Trump can ask congress to remove the other hefty sanctions on them for invading Crimea....

And Trump can beg once again, to let Putin back in the G7

Trump holding back aide to the Ukraine during the time when the new Ukraine president was fighting off Russia, while also negotiating this so called deal with Putin, gave Zelensky a disadvantaged and Putin an advantage...

The Biden dirt started as a side show when Biden announced and he was creaming Trump in the one on one, match up polls.

 

[AntonToo]

24/7

Impeach
Impeach
Impeach

Result

Highest approval ratings to date.

WTF? Did you just smoke a bag of weed?

Trump's aproval is underwater and dropped about 5 points since the Ukranian call revelations hit.

At most you can chuck it up to standard deviation volatility, but there is absolutely no way in hell anyone familiar with polling can say it has improved.


But the is one polling topic that has seen a lot of gain - support for impeachment:

 

[Lakhota]

Trump is banking on his "poorly educated" base believing anything he says.

 

[OKTexas]

Here's your example of hyper partisan hypocrisy in action below for you.. That letter is actually in the Senate.gov archives with the 3 Dem Congress critters signatures on it.. APPARENTLY -- you want to refer them for prosecution as well... AMIRITE???

Here's the Independent "I don't give a flying fuck about Dems or Reps" view on all this.. There are HUNDREDS of things that are highly unethical and seditious that are NOT codified into "House or Senate or Prez Ethics"... And BOTH parties are so severely compromised by playing the loopholes, that NEITHER of them has a leg to stand on with "indignation"... They've been going at this power abuse thingy for so long now -- that EITHER OF THEM can away with anything short of murder. And I wouldn't be surprised if they crossed that bridge in the near future....

Hypocrites: Senate Dems Sent Letter Pressuring Ukraine To Investigate Trump In May 2018


Yes, the very same Democrats who are now supposedly aghast that President Trump asked the president of Ukraine to look into Joe Biden's family corruption, actually sent Ukraine a letter saying "U.S. assistance" was at stake unless the Ukrainian government complied with the bogus special counsel Robert Mueller investigation and conducted their own investigation into the president and his former aid Paul Manafort. Marc Theissen of the Washington Post brought this up yesterday, and after seeing what the president actually said to his call to the newly elected president Volodymyr Zelensky, it looks like the Democrats have nothing but egg on their face.

Here's what Theissen reported Tuesday:

It got almost no attention, but in May, CNN reported that Sens. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) wrote a letter to Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, expressing concern at the closing of four investigations they said were critical to the Mueller probe. In the letter, they implied that their support for U.S. assistance to Ukraine was at stake. Describing themselves as “strong advocates for a robust and close relationship with Ukraine,” the Democratic senators declared, “We have supported [the] capacity-building process and are disappointed that some in Kyiv appear to have cast aside these [democratic] principles to avoid the ire of President Trump,” before demanding Lutsenko “reverse course and halt any efforts to impede cooperation with this important investigation.”

So, it’s okay for Democratic senators to encourage Ukraine to investigate Trump, but it’s not okay for the president to allegedly encourage Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden?

Are you sure about that? They threatened Ukraine? Did they withhold money? Dangle the promise of a state visit?

Trump said they threatened. And in this hyperpartisan age, Trump plays by different rules and is judged by different rules apparently.

Instead of relying on Town Hall’s interpretation, here is the actual letter: https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/5-4-18 Menendez joint letter to General Prosecutor of Ukraine on Mueller investigation.pdf

And the context: a request to provide an explanation as to why Ukraine was impeding investigations related to the Mueller probe.

Was this a legitimate and legal investigation? Yes.

Was it for personal political benefit? No.

Were any threats made or delivered? No.

So how is this comparable to what we know so far regarding Trump’s actions with Ukraine, and, apparently, he is now flailing at China, to pressure them to investigate his political rival?

Here are some key points. Trump has plenty of legal and transparent channels he can use to conduct a legitimate investigation into corruption. He opted not to, and instead used his personal lawyer, recalled a career diplomat abruptly from Ukraine, and worked through people with a personal loyalty to him rather than the nation. Worse, attempting to suppress whistle blowers, threatening to expose them...and muse about the good old days of executing “traitors”.

It isn’t hyperpartisan to say this is very concerning, and it isn’t hyperpartisan to say that comparing this the what senators wrote on behalf of the Mueller investigation is a false equivalency.

The key points in the TownHall article are in the very first paragraph of that archived letter at senate.gov.. MASSIVE blatant threats in exchange for partisan political gain...

Trump does need to off Biden right now... I don't Dems often think deep enough about effective strategery.. If Trump was interested in the POLITICAL value of Biden's misdeeds with Ukraine, he would HOLD that arrow in the quiver until the party NOMINATES HIM... And then smash him with it... And THAT would be the end of that election.... No way is there equal value to making it an issue now other than pointing out the hypocrisy and corruption.....

But how was it for partisan political gain? It was for the Mueller investigation, Manafort had not been part of the Trump campaign for years and whatever they shared with Mueller's special counsel, was kept mum, from the public and congress critters....

And why do you think Trump asking the Ukraine president to work with Giuliani, his personal ala Michael Cohen fixer, to get political dirt on a political rival and his son, who were NOT under an official investigation by the USA, while holding back Congressional backed aid to fight off Russian aggression... until the Ukraine made a public announcement that they were investigating hunter biden is anyway near the same type of acts? And in addition the Ukraine proposed announcement letter was written by Ambassador Volker and others from Trump's group working with Giuliani...

THERE IS NO comparison in the two very different scenarios

one is legitimate

the other crooked

Wow, you really don't know what happened. Giuliani was working in Ukraine before the Mueller investigation wrapped up, he was investigating the genesis of the collusion delusion, the Bidens were brought up to him, he wasn't even looking at it. Biden wasn't even a candidate then.

.

YES Rudy's shady dealings in the Ukraine go way back...

Trump sent Giuliani to try to dig up information that could help Trump give MANAFORT a PARDON

and to make it look like the Ukraine did the attack on our elections, and not ordered by Putin and done by Russian Intelligence,

so that Trump could have reason to remove the sanctions on Russia for the interference,

the admin has also pressured the Ukraine President to work out some sort of deal giving up his country's land to Putin, to kiss and give up the stolen Crimea....

once this deal is done, Trump can ask congress to remove the other hefty sanctions on them for invading Crimea....

And Trump can beg once again, to let Putin back in the G7

Trump holding back aide to the Ukraine during the time when the new Ukraine president was fighting off Russia, while also negotiating this so called deal with Putin, gave Zelensky a disadvantaged and Putin an advantage...

The Biden dirt started as a side show when Biden announced and he was creaming Trump in the one on one, match up polls.

That's a butt load of opinion you have there.

One question. Wouldn't it be prudent to suspend aid to a country with a history of rampant corruption, till you get a read on what the new government is like?

.

 

[Lakhota]

Are you sure about that? They threatened Ukraine? Did they withhold money? Dangle the promise of a state visit?

Trump said they threatened. And in this hyperpartisan age, Trump plays by different rules and is judged by different rules apparently.

Instead of relying on Town Hall’s interpretation, here is the actual letter: https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/5-4-18 Menendez joint letter to General Prosecutor of Ukraine on Mueller investigation.pdf

And the context: a request to provide an explanation as to why Ukraine was impeding investigations related to the Mueller probe.

Was this a legitimate and legal investigation? Yes.

Was it for personal political benefit? No.

Were any threats made or delivered? No.

So how is this comparable to what we know so far regarding Trump’s actions with Ukraine, and, apparently, he is now flailing at China, to pressure them to investigate his political rival?

Here are some key points. Trump has plenty of legal and transparent channels he can use to conduct a legitimate investigation into corruption. He opted not to, and instead used his personal lawyer, recalled a career diplomat abruptly from Ukraine, and worked through people with a personal loyalty to him rather than the nation. Worse, attempting to suppress whistle blowers, threatening to expose them...and muse about the good old days of executing “traitors”.

It isn’t hyperpartisan to say this is very concerning, and it isn’t hyperpartisan to say that comparing this the what senators wrote on behalf of the Mueller investigation is a false equivalency.

The key points in the TownHall article are in the very first paragraph of that archived letter at senate.gov.. MASSIVE blatant threats in exchange for partisan political gain...

Trump does need to off Biden right now... I don't Dems often think deep enough about effective strategery.. If Trump was interested in the POLITICAL value of Biden's misdeeds with Ukraine, he would HOLD that arrow in the quiver until the party NOMINATES HIM... And then smash him with it... And THAT would be the end of that election.... No way is there equal value to making it an issue now other than pointing out the hypocrisy and corruption.....

But how was it for partisan political gain? It was for the Mueller investigation, Manafort had not been part of the Trump campaign for years and whatever they shared with Mueller's special counsel, was kept mum, from the public and congress critters....

And why do you think Trump asking the Ukraine president to work with Giuliani, his personal ala Michael Cohen fixer, to get political dirt on a political rival and his son, who were NOT under an official investigation by the USA, while holding back Congressional backed aid to fight off Russian aggression... until the Ukraine made a public announcement that they were investigating hunter biden is anyway near the same type of acts? And in addition the Ukraine proposed announcement letter was written by Ambassador Volker and others from Trump's group working with Giuliani...

THERE IS NO comparison in the two very different scenarios

one is legitimate

the other crooked

Wow, you really don't know what happened. Giuliani was working in Ukraine before the Mueller investigation wrapped up, he was investigating the genesis of the collusion delusion, the Bidens were brought up to him, he wasn't even looking at it. Biden wasn't even a candidate then.

.

YES Rudy's shady dealings in the Ukraine go way back...

Trump sent Giuliani to try to dig up information that could help Trump give MANAFORT a PARDON

and to make it look like the Ukraine did the attack on our elections, and not ordered by Putin and done by Russian Intelligence,

so that Trump could have reason to remove the sanctions on Russia for the interference,

the admin has also pressured the Ukraine President to work out some sort of deal giving up his country's land to Putin, to kiss and give up the stolen Crimea....

once this deal is done, Trump can ask congress to remove the other hefty sanctions on them for invading Crimea....

And Trump can beg once again, to let Putin back in the G7

Trump holding back aide to the Ukraine during the time when the new Ukraine president was fighting off Russia, while also negotiating this so called deal with Putin, gave Zelensky a disadvantaged and Putin an advantage...

The Biden dirt started as a side show when Biden announced and he was creaming Trump in the one on one, match up polls.

That's a butt load of opinion you have there.

One question. Wouldn't it be prudent to suspend aid to a country with a history of rampant corruption, till you get a read on what the new government is like?

.

And let Putin take the rest of Ukraine? Funny...

 

[OKTexas]

The key points in the TownHall article are in the very first paragraph of that archived letter at senate.gov.. MASSIVE blatant threats in exchange for partisan political gain...

Trump does need to off Biden right now... I don't Dems often think deep enough about effective strategery.. If Trump was interested in the POLITICAL value of Biden's misdeeds with Ukraine, he would HOLD that arrow in the quiver until the party NOMINATES HIM... And then smash him with it... And THAT would be the end of that election.... No way is there equal value to making it an issue now other than pointing out the hypocrisy and corruption.....

But how was it for partisan political gain? It was for the Mueller investigation, Manafort had not been part of the Trump campaign for years and whatever they shared with Mueller's special counsel, was kept mum, from the public and congress critters....

And why do you think Trump asking the Ukraine president to work with Giuliani, his personal ala Michael Cohen fixer, to get political dirt on a political rival and his son, who were NOT under an official investigation by the USA, while holding back Congressional backed aid to fight off Russian aggression... until the Ukraine made a public announcement that they were investigating hunter biden is anyway near the same type of acts? And in addition the Ukraine proposed announcement letter was written by Ambassador Volker and others from Trump's group working with Giuliani...

THERE IS NO comparison in the two very different scenarios

one is legitimate

the other crooked

Wow, you really don't know what happened. Giuliani was working in Ukraine before the Mueller investigation wrapped up, he was investigating the genesis of the collusion delusion, the Bidens were brought up to him, he wasn't even looking at it. Biden wasn't even a candidate then.

.

YES Rudy's shady dealings in the Ukraine go way back...

Trump sent Giuliani to try to dig up information that could help Trump give MANAFORT a PARDON

and to make it look like the Ukraine did the attack on our elections, and not ordered by Putin and done by Russian Intelligence,

so that Trump could have reason to remove the sanctions on Russia for the interference,

the admin has also pressured the Ukraine President to work out some sort of deal giving up his country's land to Putin, to kiss and give up the stolen Crimea....

once this deal is done, Trump can ask congress to remove the other hefty sanctions on them for invading Crimea....

And Trump can beg once again, to let Putin back in the G7

Trump holding back aide to the Ukraine during the time when the new Ukraine president was fighting off Russia, while also negotiating this so called deal with Putin, gave Zelensky a disadvantaged and Putin an advantage...

The Biden dirt started as a side show when Biden announced and he was creaming Trump in the one on one, match up polls.

That's a butt load of opinion you have there.

One question. Wouldn't it be prudent to suspend aid to a country with a history of rampant corruption, till you get a read on what the new government is like?

.

And let Putin take the rest of Ukraine? Funny...

Drama queen much? LMAO

.

 

[Care4all]

Are you sure about that? They threatened Ukraine? Did they withhold money? Dangle the promise of a state visit?

Trump said they threatened. And in this hyperpartisan age, Trump plays by different rules and is judged by different rules apparently.

Instead of relying on Town Hall’s interpretation, here is the actual letter: https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/5-4-18 Menendez joint letter to General Prosecutor of Ukraine on Mueller investigation.pdf

And the context: a request to provide an explanation as to why Ukraine was impeding investigations related to the Mueller probe.

Was this a legitimate and legal investigation? Yes.

Was it for personal political benefit? No.

Were any threats made or delivered? No.

So how is this comparable to what we know so far regarding Trump’s actions with Ukraine, and, apparently, he is now flailing at China, to pressure them to investigate his political rival?

Here are some key points. Trump has plenty of legal and transparent channels he can use to conduct a legitimate investigation into corruption. He opted not to, and instead used his personal lawyer, recalled a career diplomat abruptly from Ukraine, and worked through people with a personal loyalty to him rather than the nation. Worse, attempting to suppress whistle blowers, threatening to expose them...and muse about the good old days of executing “traitors”.

It isn’t hyperpartisan to say this is very concerning, and it isn’t hyperpartisan to say that comparing this the what senators wrote on behalf of the Mueller investigation is a false equivalency.

The key points in the TownHall article are in the very first paragraph of that archived letter at senate.gov.. MASSIVE blatant threats in exchange for partisan political gain...

Trump does need to off Biden right now... I don't Dems often think deep enough about effective strategery.. If Trump was interested in the POLITICAL value of Biden's misdeeds with Ukraine, he would HOLD that arrow in the quiver until the party NOMINATES HIM... And then smash him with it... And THAT would be the end of that election.... No way is there equal value to making it an issue now other than pointing out the hypocrisy and corruption.....

But how was it for partisan political gain? It was for the Mueller investigation, Manafort had not been part of the Trump campaign for years and whatever they shared with Mueller's special counsel, was kept mum, from the public and congress critters....

And why do you think Trump asking the Ukraine president to work with Giuliani, his personal ala Michael Cohen fixer, to get political dirt on a political rival and his son, who were NOT under an official investigation by the USA, while holding back Congressional backed aid to fight off Russian aggression... until the Ukraine made a public announcement that they were investigating hunter biden is anyway near the same type of acts? And in addition the Ukraine proposed announcement letter was written by Ambassador Volker and others from Trump's group working with Giuliani...

THERE IS NO comparison in the two very different scenarios

one is legitimate

the other crooked

Wow, you really don't know what happened. Giuliani was working in Ukraine before the Mueller investigation wrapped up, he was investigating the genesis of the collusion delusion, the Bidens were brought up to him, he wasn't even looking at it. Biden wasn't even a candidate then.

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YES Rudy's shady dealings in the Ukraine go way back...

Trump sent Giuliani to try to dig up information that could help Trump give MANAFORT a PARDON

and to make it look like the Ukraine did the attack on our elections, and not ordered by Putin and done by Russian Intelligence,

so that Trump could have reason to remove the sanctions on Russia for the interference,

the admin has also pressured the Ukraine President to work out some sort of deal giving up his country's land to Putin, to kiss and give up the stolen Crimea....

once this deal is done, Trump can ask congress to remove the other hefty sanctions on them for invading Crimea....

And Trump can beg once again, to let Putin back in the G7

Trump holding back aide to the Ukraine during the time when the new Ukraine president was fighting off Russia, while also negotiating this so called deal with Putin, gave Zelensky a disadvantaged and Putin an advantage...

The Biden dirt started as a side show when Biden announced and he was creaming Trump in the one on one, match up polls.

That's a butt load of opinion you have there.

One question. Wouldn't it be prudent to suspend aid to a country with a history of rampant corruption, till you get a read on what the new government is like?

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1 their corruption that could be cleaned up had ZERO to do with the Bidens from 3 years ago

2 they cleaned up a lot of their corruption and some time in May 2019, our State dept gave the Ukraine a ''clean bill of health''


Now tell me... what do you think Zelensky thought when the very country asking them to clean up their corruption... yet the President of the USA was holding his aid back and strong arming him, unless he illegally helped investigate Trump's upcoming political rival's son and made a Public Announcement that he was investigating him, so Trump could use it in his upcoming campaign?


Zelensky paraphased

''What?? The country's president that is asking me to get rid of the corruption here in the Ukraine wants me to work with his personal consigliere Giuliani, to help him in his own dirty and corrupt scheme for his own political reelection campaign?''

 

[OKTexas]

The key points in the TownHall article are in the very first paragraph of that archived letter at senate.gov.. MASSIVE blatant threats in exchange for partisan political gain...

Trump does need to off Biden right now... I don't Dems often think deep enough about effective strategery.. If Trump was interested in the POLITICAL value of Biden's misdeeds with Ukraine, he would HOLD that arrow in the quiver until the party NOMINATES HIM... And then smash him with it... And THAT would be the end of that election.... No way is there equal value to making it an issue now other than pointing out the hypocrisy and corruption.....

But how was it for partisan political gain? It was for the Mueller investigation, Manafort had not been part of the Trump campaign for years and whatever they shared with Mueller's special counsel, was kept mum, from the public and congress critters....

And why do you think Trump asking the Ukraine president to work with Giuliani, his personal ala Michael Cohen fixer, to get political dirt on a political rival and his son, who were NOT under an official investigation by the USA, while holding back Congressional backed aid to fight off Russian aggression... until the Ukraine made a public announcement that they were investigating hunter biden is anyway near the same type of acts? And in addition the Ukraine proposed announcement letter was written by Ambassador Volker and others from Trump's group working with Giuliani...

THERE IS NO comparison in the two very different scenarios

one is legitimate

the other crooked

Wow, you really don't know what happened. Giuliani was working in Ukraine before the Mueller investigation wrapped up, he was investigating the genesis of the collusion delusion, the Bidens were brought up to him, he wasn't even looking at it. Biden wasn't even a candidate then.

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YES Rudy's shady dealings in the Ukraine go way back...

Trump sent Giuliani to try to dig up information that could help Trump give MANAFORT a PARDON

and to make it look like the Ukraine did the attack on our elections, and not ordered by Putin and done by Russian Intelligence,

so that Trump could have reason to remove the sanctions on Russia for the interference,

the admin has also pressured the Ukraine President to work out some sort of deal giving up his country's land to Putin, to kiss and give up the stolen Crimea....

once this deal is done, Trump can ask congress to remove the other hefty sanctions on them for invading Crimea....

And Trump can beg once again, to let Putin back in the G7

Trump holding back aide to the Ukraine during the time when the new Ukraine president was fighting off Russia, while also negotiating this so called deal with Putin, gave Zelensky a disadvantaged and Putin an advantage...

The Biden dirt started as a side show when Biden announced and he was creaming Trump in the one on one, match up polls.

That's a butt load of opinion you have there.

One question. Wouldn't it be prudent to suspend aid to a country with a history of rampant corruption, till you get a read on what the new government is like?

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1 their corruption that could be cleaned up had ZERO to do with the Bidens from 3 years ago

2 they cleaned up a lot of their corruption and some time in May 2019, our State dept gave the Ukraine a ''clean bill of health''


Now tell me... what do you think Zelensky thought when the very country asking them to clean up their corruption... yet the President of the USA was holding his aid back and strong arming him, unless he illegally helped investigate Trump's upcoming political rival's son and made a Public Announcement that he was investigating him, so Trump could use it in his upcoming campaign?


Zelensky paraphased

''What?? The country's president that is asking me to get rid of the corruption here in the Ukraine wants me to work with his personal consigliere Giuliani, to help him in his own dirty and corrupt scheme for his own political reelection campaign?''

First let's get one thing straight, the favor Trump asked for was aid in ascertaining the genesis of the 2016 collusion delusion. If you can't admit that then there is no point in further discussion.

Second, if you read the transcript out loud, the mention of the Bidens lasted about 8 seconds of the 30 minute call and occurred toward the end of the call.

You're entitled to your own opinions, facts are facts, they belong to no one. Zelensky didn't take office till May, how could the State Dept given him a clean bill in May?

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[OKTexas]

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[C_Clayton_Jones]

Barr is part of the corruption. The DoJ is broken. The State Department is broken. This administration has a record number of temporary appointees, unconfirmed by a Congress, taken no oath of office, and loyal to Trump personally, not the office of the presidency, the Constitution or the country. Career diplomats suddenly recalled for no reason and replaced by idiots. What is happening now is the tip of the iceberg.


CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on complaint about Trump Ukraine call


WASHINGTON — Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered to be a criminal referral to the Justice Department about the whistleblower's allegations that President Donald Trump abused his office in pressuring the Ukrainian president, U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell NBC News.

The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Department later declined to open an investigation.

The phone call that Elwood considered to be a criminal referral is in addition to the referral later received as a letter from the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community regarding the whistleblower complaint.

Justice Department officials said they were unclear whether Elwood was making a criminal referral and followed up with her later to seek clarification but she remained vague.

In the days since the anonymous whistleblower complaint was made public accusing him of wrongdoing, Trump has lashed out at his accuser and other insiders who provided the accuser with information, suggesting they were improperly spying on what was a "perfect" call between him and the Ukrainian president.

Read the rest of the article using the link

The Justice Department declined to open an investigation because it has become the partisan arm of the GOP and protector of Trump.

Enforcing the law is subordinate to that.

 

[iceberg]

Barr is trying to restore order.

We can't let any side continue to do all the dems did. But no, I'm not getting into a lengthy debate about it. It just seems the left can demand or claim anything and its fine. Investigate away. But when the right wants to know why we keep doing things like RUSSIA and Kavanaugh, he's corrupt.

 

[iceberg]

Here's your example of hyper partisan hypocrisy in action below for you.. That letter is actually in the Senate.gov archives with the 3 Dem Congress critters signatures on it.. APPARENTLY -- you want to refer them for prosecution as well... AMIRITE???

Here's the Independent "I don't give a flying fuck about Dems or Reps" view on all this.. There are HUNDREDS of things that are highly unethical and seditious that are NOT codified into "House or Senate or Prez Ethics"... And BOTH parties are so severely compromised by playing the loopholes, that NEITHER of them has a leg to stand on with "indignation"... They've been going at this power abuse thingy for so long now -- that EITHER OF THEM can away with anything short of murder. And I wouldn't be surprised if they crossed that bridge in the near future....

Hypocrites: Senate Dems Sent Letter Pressuring Ukraine To Investigate Trump In May 2018


Yes, the very same Democrats who are now supposedly aghast that President Trump asked the president of Ukraine to look into Joe Biden's family corruption, actually sent Ukraine a letter saying "U.S. assistance" was at stake unless the Ukrainian government complied with the bogus special counsel Robert Mueller investigation and conducted their own investigation into the president and his former aid Paul Manafort. Marc Theissen of the Washington Post brought this up yesterday, and after seeing what the president actually said to his call to the newly elected president Volodymyr Zelensky, it looks like the Democrats have nothing but egg on their face.

Here's what Theissen reported Tuesday:

It got almost no attention, but in May, CNN reported that Sens. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) wrote a letter to Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, expressing concern at the closing of four investigations they said were critical to the Mueller probe. In the letter, they implied that their support for U.S. assistance to Ukraine was at stake. Describing themselves as “strong advocates for a robust and close relationship with Ukraine,” the Democratic senators declared, “We have supported [the] capacity-building process and are disappointed that some in Kyiv appear to have cast aside these [democratic] principles to avoid the ire of President Trump,” before demanding Lutsenko “reverse course and halt any efforts to impede cooperation with this important investigation.”

So, it’s okay for Democratic senators to encourage Ukraine to investigate Trump, but it’s not okay for the president to allegedly encourage Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden?

Are you sure about that? They threatened Ukraine? Did they withhold money? Dangle the promise of a state visit?

Trump said they threatened. And in this hyperpartisan age, Trump plays by different rules and is judged by different rules apparently.

Instead of relying on Town Hall’s interpretation, here is the actual letter: https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/5-4-18 Menendez joint letter to General Prosecutor of Ukraine on Mueller investigation.pdf

And the context: a request to provide an explanation as to why Ukraine was impeding investigations related to the Mueller probe.

Was this a legitimate and legal investigation? Yes.

Was it for personal political benefit? No.

Were any threats made or delivered? No.

So how is this comparable to what we know so far regarding Trump’s actions with Ukraine, and, apparently, he is now flailing at China, to pressure them to investigate his political rival?

Here are some key points. Trump has plenty of legal and transparent channels he can use to conduct a legitimate investigation into corruption. He opted not to, and instead used his personal lawyer, recalled a career diplomat abruptly from Ukraine, and worked through people with a personal loyalty to him rather than the nation. Worse, attempting to suppress whistle blowers, threatening to expose them...and muse about the good old days of executing “traitors”.

It isn’t hyperpartisan to say this is very concerning, and it isn’t hyperpartisan to say that comparing this the what senators wrote on behalf of the Mueller investigation is a false equivalency.

The key points in the TownHall article are in the very first paragraph of that archived letter at senate.gov.. MASSIVE blatant threats in exchange for partisan political gain...

Trump does need to off Biden right now... I don't Dems often think deep enough about effective strategery.. If Trump was interested in the POLITICAL value of Biden's misdeeds with Ukraine, he would HOLD that arrow in the quiver until the party NOMINATES HIM... And then smash him with it... And THAT would be the end of that election.... No way is there equal value to making it an issue now other than pointing out the hypocrisy and corruption.....

But how was it for partisan political gain? It was for the Mueller investigation, Manafort had not been part of the Trump campaign for years and whatever they shared with Mueller's special counsel, was kept mum, from the public and congress critters....

And why do you think Trump asking the Ukraine president to work with Giuliani, his personal ala Michael Cohen fixer, to get political dirt on a political rival and his son, who were NOT under an official investigation by the USA, while holding back Congressional backed aid to fight off Russian aggression... until the Ukraine made a public announcement that they were investigating hunter biden is anyway near the same type of acts? And in addition the Ukraine proposed announcement letter was written by Ambassador Volker and others from Trump's group working with Giuliani...

THERE IS NO comparison in the two very different scenarios

one is legitimate

the other crooked

Wow, you really don't know what happened. Giuliani was working in Ukraine before the Mueller investigation wrapped up, he was investigating the genesis of the collusion delusion, the Bidens were brought up to him, he wasn't even looking at it. Biden wasn't even a candidate then.

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Guiliani’s involvement with Ukraine goes back a ways but his focus on Biden is recent and convoluted.

Rudy Giuliani: Ukraine sources detail attempt to construct case against Biden

Seems a TON of people are involved in the Ukraine. Why is it 100% left good, 100% right bad?

We can't even agree on what is a crime anymore. We are pretty fucked up.

 

[iceberg]

Barr is part of the corruption. The DoJ is broken. The State Department is broken. This administration has a record number of temporary appointees, unconfirmed by a Congress, taken no oath of office, and loyal to Trump personally, not the office of the presidency, the Constitution or the country. Career diplomats suddenly recalled for no reason and replaced by idiots. What is happening now is the tip of the iceberg.


CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on complaint about Trump Ukraine call


WASHINGTON — Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered to be a criminal referral to the Justice Department about the whistleblower's allegations that President Donald Trump abused his office in pressuring the Ukrainian president, U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell NBC News.

The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Department later declined to open an investigation.

The phone call that Elwood considered to be a criminal referral is in addition to the referral later received as a letter from the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community regarding the whistleblower complaint.

Justice Department officials said they were unclear whether Elwood was making a criminal referral and followed up with her later to seek clarification but she remained vague.

In the days since the anonymous whistleblower complaint was made public accusing him of wrongdoing, Trump has lashed out at his accuser and other insiders who provided the accuser with information, suggesting they were improperly spying on what was a "perfect" call between him and the Ukrainian president.

Read the rest of the article using the link

The Justice Department declined to open an investigation because it has become the partisan arm of the GOP and protector of Trump.

Enforcing the law is subordinate to that.

Yea Obama DOJ NEVER did anything questionable AT ALL. fucking hypocrites.

 

[easyt65]

Barr is part of the corruption. The DoJ is broken. The State Department is broken. This administration has a record number of temporary appointees, unconfirmed by a Congress, taken no oath of office, and loyal to Trump personally, not the office of the presidency, the Constitution or the country. Career diplomats suddenly recalled for no reason and replaced by idiots. What is happening now is the tip of the iceberg.


CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on complaint about Trump Ukraine call


WASHINGTON — Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered to be a criminal referral to the Justice Department about the whistleblower's allegations that President Donald Trump abused his office in pressuring the Ukrainian president, U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell NBC News.

The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Department later declined to open an investigation.

The phone call that Elwood considered to be a criminal referral is in addition to the referral later received as a letter from the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community regarding the whistleblower complaint.

Justice Department officials said they were unclear whether Elwood was making a criminal referral and followed up with her later to seek clarification but she remained vague.

In the days since the anonymous whistleblower complaint was made public accusing him of wrongdoing, Trump has lashed out at his accuser and other insiders who provided the accuser with information, suggesting they were improperly spying on what was a "perfect" call between him and the Ukrainian president.

Read the rest of the article using the link

The CIA was exposed during the Obama administration as an enemy of the state, run by a Communist, that illegally spied on the American people, reporters, the media, US SENATORS, USSC JUSTICES, political party Presidential candidates...and (newly elected) Presidents.

Former fired criminal Director of the CIA Brennan should still be living out his days in a prison cell for those crimes.

For later being exposed as having been part of Obama's failed coup attempt, that prison should be GITMO.

After all if that, and now this new assault on the President of the United States by the rogue CIA, I wouldn't trust a damn thing coming out of there. The vipers' nest needs to be cleaned out from top to bottom.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wait a sec....

What is the CIA doing spying domestically?

Why are the liberoids cheerleading for CIA spies and spooks who are clearly operating far outside their designated box?

What in the name of Sam Hill (who was a real person) ever happened to the civil libertarians on the left?

Soros buried them on Epsteins Island

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Apparently, most Dem activists are SHOCKED when a Repub develops a spine and gives the grief right back to them.. And lord knows, the amount of grief being slung and MISSING the target is huge...

To wit -- ANY lowly Congress critter can suggest crimes that the Prez has committed in pursuit of power and election results, but the rules say -- a REPUB prez can't sling some back...

The hypocrisy here on both sides that let's them IGNORE the underlying swampy corruption is mind-blowing...

The easiest way to gauge is to apply it to yourself. If a common man had a call like that no one would think anything of it. Compared to if a common man ignored a Congress subpoena and deleted 30k emails, bleached their servers and smashed 12 blackberries with a hammer. Compared to a common man being grilled after being accused of being drunk and doing nothing at a party over 30 years ago without witness corroboration, faulty data and timeline discrepancies.

If you apply that logic only one of the three aforementioned examples is a truly an obvious crime or crimes.