CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on complaint about Trump Ukraine call

[Coyote]

"He did not condition any U.S. support on a Biden investigation"

Who can even say this with a straight face? Are we all supposed to pretend we are stupid?

How about you show us in the transcript where it is said. And your assumptions and intimations are meaningless.

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It is clear as day, the summary memo is only 5 pages, read it, the whole thing was the sickening schmoozing and the glorifying praise of Trump and the wheeling and dealing dancing, and groveling for Arms....

And guess what Trump said?

''I need a favor though,,,''

And then goes in to his PERSONAL, politically motivated requested FAVOR of Crowdstrike and the Bidens and with his opinion of them...

And tells the guy to work with his PERSONAL lawyer/fixer/ consigliere, Giuliani




QUID PRO QUO

quid pro quo
/ˌkwid ˌprō ˈkwō/
noun
noun: quid pro quo; plural noun: quid pro quos

a favor or advantage granted or expected in return for something.

The favor was to look into Crowdstrike. You know the Ukraine based system that was attacking our voting process.

Why on Earth do you not want to find out who was using it?

I don’t think Crowdstrike had anything to do with anything and even if it did, the President has plenty of legal and aboveboard means to investigate it with out using his personal lawyer and asking for a “favor”.

How a Fringe Theory About Ukraine Took Root in the White House
In an April 2017 interview with The Associated Press, President Trump suddenly began talking about the hack of the Democratic National Committee a year earlier, complaining that the F.B.I. had not physically examined the compromised server.

“They brought in another company that I hear is Ukrainian-based,” the president said.

“CrowdStrike?” the surprised reporter asked, referring to the California cybersecurity company that investigated how Russian government hackers had stolen and leaked Democratic emails, disrupting Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

“That’s what I heard,” Mr. Trump resumed. “I heard it’s owned by a very rich Ukrainian; that’s what I heard.”

More than two years later, Mr. Trump was still holding on to this false conspiracy theory. In his July call with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, he summed it up in a sort of shorthand — at least according to the White House memorandum, labeled “not a verbatim transcript.”

 

[Coyote]

Barr is part of the corruption. The DoJ is broken. The State Department is broken. This administration has a record number of temporary appointees, unconfirmed by a Congress, taken no oath of office, and loyal to Trump personally, not the office of the presidency, the Constitution or the country. Career diplomats suddenly recalled for no reason and replaced by idiots. What is happening now is the tip of the iceberg.


CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on complaint about Trump Ukraine call


WASHINGTON — Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered to be a criminal referral to the Justice Department about the whistleblower's allegations that President Donald Trump abused his office in pressuring the Ukrainian president, U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell NBC News.

The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Department later declined to open an investigation.

The phone call that Elwood considered to be a criminal referral is in addition to the referral later received as a letter from the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community regarding the whistleblower complaint.

Justice Department officials said they were unclear whether Elwood was making a criminal referral and followed up with her later to seek clarification but she remained vague.

In the days since the anonymous whistleblower complaint was made public accusing him of wrongdoing, Trump has lashed out at his accuser and other insiders who provided the accuser with information, suggesting they were improperly spying on what was a "perfect" call between him and the Ukrainian president.

Read the rest of the article using the link

ummmm Joe Biden broke the law, not President Trump.
Barry the Magnificent corrupted our government agencies.
He turned the FBI and the CIA into the corrupt Democratic Party's secret police.
Trump needs to clean-out all of the dirty players in the CIA and the FBI.

What law did Biden break and what evidence do you have to support your claim? Be specific please.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Barr is part of the corruption. The DoJ is broken. The State Department is broken. This administration has a record number of temporary appointees, unconfirmed by a Congress, taken no oath of office, and loyal to Trump personally, not the office of the presidency, the Constitution or the country. Career diplomats suddenly recalled for no reason and replaced by idiots. What is happening now is the tip of the iceberg.


CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on complaint about Trump Ukraine call


WASHINGTON — Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered to be a criminal referral to the Justice Department about the whistleblower's allegations that President Donald Trump abused his office in pressuring the Ukrainian president, U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell NBC News.

The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Department later declined to open an investigation.

The phone call that Elwood considered to be a criminal referral is in addition to the referral later received as a letter from the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community regarding the whistleblower complaint.

Justice Department officials said they were unclear whether Elwood was making a criminal referral and followed up with her later to seek clarification but she remained vague.

In the days since the anonymous whistleblower complaint was made public accusing him of wrongdoing, Trump has lashed out at his accuser and other insiders who provided the accuser with information, suggesting they were improperly spying on what was a "perfect" call between him and the Ukrainian president.

Read the rest of the article using the link

ummmm Joe Biden broke the law, not President Trump.
Barry the Magnificent corrupted our government agencies.
He turned the FBI and the CIA into the corrupt Democratic Party's secret police.
Trump needs to clean-out all of the dirty players in the CIA and the FBI.

What law did Biden break and what evidence do you have to support your claim? Be specific please.

quid pro quo extortion

 

[Coyote]

Lk,

Barr is part of the corruption. The DoJ is broken. The State Department is broken. This administration has a record number of temporary appointees, unconfirmed by a Congress, taken no oath of office, and loyal to Trump personally, not the office of the presidency, the Constitution or the country. Career diplomats suddenly recalled for no reason and replaced by idiots. What is happening now is the tip of the iceberg.


CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on complaint about Trump Ukraine call


WASHINGTON — Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered to be a criminal referral to the Justice Department about the whistleblower's allegations that President Donald Trump abused his office in pressuring the Ukrainian president, U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell NBC News.

The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Department later declined to open an investigation.

The phone call that Elwood considered to be a criminal referral is in addition to the referral later received as a letter from the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community regarding the whistleblower complaint.

Justice Department officials said they were unclear whether Elwood was making a criminal referral and followed up with her later to seek clarification but she remained vague.

In the days since the anonymous whistleblower complaint was made public accusing him of wrongdoing, Trump has lashed out at his accuser and other insiders who provided the accuser with information, suggesting they were improperly spying on what was a "perfect" call between him and the Ukrainian president.

Read the rest of the article using the link

ummmm Joe Biden broke the law, not President Trump.
Barry the Magnificent corrupted our government agencies.
He turned the FBI and the CIA into the corrupt Democratic Party's secret police.
Trump needs to clean-out all of the dirty players in the CIA and the FBI.

What law did Biden break and what evidence do you have to support your claim? Be specific please.

quid pro quo extortion

In words, not a video snip that doesn’t say what you claim anyway.

What evidence specifically?

 

[Care4all]

Lk,

Barr is part of the corruption. The DoJ is broken. The State Department is broken. This administration has a record number of temporary appointees, unconfirmed by a Congress, taken no oath of office, and loyal to Trump personally, not the office of the presidency, the Constitution or the country. Career diplomats suddenly recalled for no reason and replaced by idiots. What is happening now is the tip of the iceberg.


CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on complaint about Trump Ukraine call


WASHINGTON — Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered to be a criminal referral to the Justice Department about the whistleblower's allegations that President Donald Trump abused his office in pressuring the Ukrainian president, U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell NBC News.

The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Department later declined to open an investigation.

The phone call that Elwood considered to be a criminal referral is in addition to the referral later received as a letter from the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community regarding the whistleblower complaint.

Justice Department officials said they were unclear whether Elwood was making a criminal referral and followed up with her later to seek clarification but she remained vague.

In the days since the anonymous whistleblower complaint was made public accusing him of wrongdoing, Trump has lashed out at his accuser and other insiders who provided the accuser with information, suggesting they were improperly spying on what was a "perfect" call between him and the Ukrainian president.

Read the rest of the article using the link

ummmm Joe Biden broke the law, not President Trump.
Barry the Magnificent corrupted our government agencies.
He turned the FBI and the CIA into the corrupt Democratic Party's secret police.
Trump needs to clean-out all of the dirty players in the CIA and the FBI.

What law did Biden break and what evidence do you have to support your claim? Be specific please.

quid pro quo extortion

In words, not a video snip that doesn’t say what you claim anyway.

What evidence specifically?

And what law specifically?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So what was "the crime"??

Corruption,extortion, solicitation of bribes, campaign finance law violations. This information is literally all over the news.

Apparently, the newest trump supporter defense is to act as surprised and ignorant as a newborn baby.

"What crimes?", "What are they even investigating???"

If you're talking about Biden, absolutely right

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So what was "the crime"??

Corruption,extortion, solicitation of bribes, campaign finance law violations. This information is literally all over the news.

Apparently, the newest trump supporter defense is to act as surprised and ignorant as a newborn baby.

"What crimes?", "What are they even investigating???"

If you're talking about Biden, absolutely right

Pretty lame retort,cultist.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Barr is part of the corruption. The DoJ is broken. The State Department is broken. This administration has a record number of temporary appointees, unconfirmed by a Congress, taken no oath of office, and loyal to Trump personally, not the office of the presidency, the Constitution or the country. Career diplomats suddenly recalled for no reason and replaced by idiots. What is happening now is the tip of the iceberg.


CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on complaint about Trump Ukraine call


WASHINGTON — Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered to be a criminal referral to the Justice Department about the whistleblower's allegations that President Donald Trump abused his office in pressuring the Ukrainian president, U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell NBC News.

The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Department later declined to open an investigation.

The phone call that Elwood considered to be a criminal referral is in addition to the referral later received as a letter from the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community regarding the whistleblower complaint.

Justice Department officials said they were unclear whether Elwood was making a criminal referral and followed up with her later to seek clarification but she remained vague.

In the days since the anonymous whistleblower complaint was made public accusing him of wrongdoing, Trump has lashed out at his accuser and other insiders who provided the accuser with information, suggesting they were improperly spying on what was a "perfect" call between him and the Ukrainian president.

Read the rest of the article using the link

ummmm Joe Biden broke the law, not President Trump.
Barry the Magnificent corrupted our government agencies.
He turned the FBI and the CIA into the corrupt Democratic Party's secret police.
Trump needs to clean-out all of the dirty players in the CIA and the FBI.

What law did Biden break and what evidence do you have to support your claim? Be specific please.

quid pro quo extortion

Think of all of the hundreds of corruption investigations all over the world at that time ....and that's the only and only one that concerns Quid Pro Joe?

 

[Olde Europe]

I don’t think Crowdstrike had anything to do with anything and even if it did, the President has plenty of legal and aboveboard means to investigate it with out using his personal lawyer and asking for a “favor”.

How a Fringe Theory About Ukraine Took Root in the White House
In an April 2017 interview with The Associated Press, President Trump suddenly began talking about the hack of the Democratic National Committee a year earlier, complaining that the F.B.I. had not physically examined the compromised server.

“They brought in another company that I hear is Ukrainian-based,” the president said.

“CrowdStrike?” the surprised reporter asked, referring to the California cybersecurity company that investigated how Russian government hackers had stolen and leaked Democratic emails, disrupting Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

“That’s what I heard,” Mr. Trump resumed. “I heard it’s owned by a very rich Ukrainian; that’s what I heard.”

More than two years later, Mr. Trump was still holding on to this false conspiracy theory. In his July call with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, he summed it up in a sort of shorthand — at least according to the White House memorandum, labeled “not a verbatim transcript.”

Gawd...

What an embarrassment to watch Trump wasting another head of state's time with a long debunked, demented conspiracy theory. It's getting worse from here on: We also know that Trump was informed, in no uncertain terms, and several times, BY HIS OWN STAFF, that this conspiracy was, in fact, nuts, demented, and debunked, and for years. We therefore also know he's completely impervious to sound advice contradicting his otherworldly beliefs - namely, California-based Crowdstrike is Ukrainian, and the whole world is out there to get him and was working, in 2015/6 to thwart is his presidential run. Remember "the game is rigged"? Against him, that is.

What lessons are other heads of state, who have no choice other than to deal with that, going to take from that?

And that's bad enough, before we begin to talk about bribery, extortion, the abuse of the power of his office for personal endeavors, and, rather than to see to it that the law be faithfully executed, the violation of the law, in this case withholding the legally, Congressionally appropriated funds to help Ukraine defend itself. What an unholy mess this is. On top of that, we see his followers denying there is anything there, and just 40% of Republicans are of the opinion that Trump asked a favor of Zelensky. That's when the Trumpish malaise is exhibited as a broader, national malaise, one that won't go away once Trump slinks out of office in a hail of jeers. Devastating.

 

[Correll]

Barr is part of the corruption. The DoJ is broken. The State Department is broken. This administration has a record number of temporary appointees, unconfirmed by a Congress, taken no oath of office, and loyal to Trump personally, not the office of the presidency, the Constitution or the country. Career diplomats suddenly recalled for no reason and replaced by idiots. What is happening now is the tip of the iceberg.


CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on complaint about Trump Ukraine call


WASHINGTON — Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered to be a criminal referral to the Justice Department about the whistleblower's allegations that President Donald Trump abused his office in pressuring the Ukrainian president, U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell NBC News.

The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Department later declined to open an investigation.

The phone call that Elwood considered to be a criminal referral is in addition to the referral later received as a letter from the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community regarding the whistleblower complaint.

Justice Department officials said they were unclear whether Elwood was making a criminal referral and followed up with her later to seek clarification but she remained vague.

In the days since the anonymous whistleblower complaint was made public accusing him of wrongdoing, Trump has lashed out at his accuser and other insiders who provided the accuser with information, suggesting they were improperly spying on what was a "perfect" call between him and the Ukrainian president.

Read the rest of the article using the link

Sounds like good little libs in the government are answering the call to Resist.


View attachment 283186

Sounds like good little cons are living up to their con...and corruption.

No con. Nor corruption here. Not sure what you are referring to.



That was something you just made up.


THe call to "resist"? We all remember it. That is not something I made up.


NOr are the actions of people like you, who certainly seem to have answered and are answering it.


It is unbelievable that people like you, put out a call to "resist" when you lose an election, and when you "resist" you deny that your resistance is based on partisan or ideological reasons.

 

[Coyote]

Barr is part of the corruption. The DoJ is broken. The State Department is broken. This administration has a record number of temporary appointees, unconfirmed by a Congress, taken no oath of office, and loyal to Trump personally, not the office of the presidency, the Constitution or the country. Career diplomats suddenly recalled for no reason and replaced by idiots. What is happening now is the tip of the iceberg.


CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on complaint about Trump Ukraine call


WASHINGTON — Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered to be a criminal referral to the Justice Department about the whistleblower's allegations that President Donald Trump abused his office in pressuring the Ukrainian president, U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell NBC News.

The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Department later declined to open an investigation.

The phone call that Elwood considered to be a criminal referral is in addition to the referral later received as a letter from the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community regarding the whistleblower complaint.

Justice Department officials said they were unclear whether Elwood was making a criminal referral and followed up with her later to seek clarification but she remained vague.

In the days since the anonymous whistleblower complaint was made public accusing him of wrongdoing, Trump has lashed out at his accuser and other insiders who provided the accuser with information, suggesting they were improperly spying on what was a "perfect" call between him and the Ukrainian president.

Read the rest of the article using the link

Sounds like good little libs in the government are answering the call to Resist.


View attachment 283186

Sounds like good little cons are living up to their con...and corruption.

No con. Nor corruption here. Not sure what you are referring to.



That was something you just made up.


THe call to "resist"? We all remember it. That is not something I made up.


NOr are the actions of people like you, who certainly seem to have answered and are answering it.


It is unbelievable that people like you, put out a call to "resist" when you lose an election, and when you "resist" you deny that your resistance is based on partisan or ideological reasons.

It is unbelievable that people like you elect a president on a platform of cleaning the swamp and then support him as he puts corrupt individuals (who have had to step down) into cabinet positions and withholds aid to an ally in order to strong arm them into investigating his political opponent! And you support that blatant corruption.

 

[Correll]

Barr is part of the corruption. The DoJ is broken. The State Department is broken. This administration has a record number of temporary appointees, unconfirmed by a Congress, taken no oath of office, and loyal to Trump personally, not the office of the presidency, the Constitution or the country. Career diplomats suddenly recalled for no reason and replaced by idiots. What is happening now is the tip of the iceberg.


CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on complaint about Trump Ukraine call


WASHINGTON — Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered to be a criminal referral to the Justice Department about the whistleblower's allegations that President Donald Trump abused his office in pressuring the Ukrainian president, U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell NBC News.

The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Department later declined to open an investigation.

The phone call that Elwood considered to be a criminal referral is in addition to the referral later received as a letter from the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community regarding the whistleblower complaint.

Justice Department officials said they were unclear whether Elwood was making a criminal referral and followed up with her later to seek clarification but she remained vague.

In the days since the anonymous whistleblower complaint was made public accusing him of wrongdoing, Trump has lashed out at his accuser and other insiders who provided the accuser with information, suggesting they were improperly spying on what was a "perfect" call between him and the Ukrainian president.

Read the rest of the article using the link

Sounds like good little libs in the government are answering the call to Resist.


View attachment 283186

Sounds like good little cons are living up to their con...and corruption.

No con. Nor corruption here. Not sure what you are referring to.



That was something you just made up.


THe call to "resist"? We all remember it. That is not something I made up.


NOr are the actions of people like you, who certainly seem to have answered and are answering it.


It is unbelievable that people like you, put out a call to "resist" when you lose an election, and when you "resist" you deny that your resistance is based on partisan or ideological reasons.

It is unbelievable that people like you elect a president on a platform of cleaning the swamp and then support him as he puts corrupt individuals (who have had to step down) into cabinet positions and withholds aid to an ally in order to strong arm them into investigating his political opponent! And you support that blatant corruption.

I elected him based on his Trade and Immigration policies.


I always considered his promises to fight corruption to be less important. Gravy if you will.


Considering the naked hatred from your side, since the election, both directed at him, and at his supporters, ie me and my people,


this has become more about you people being my enemy. Some issue about the Ukraine does not matter to me at all.


NOr does it to you. YOu hated him and his supporters with a fiery passion before this. And you would be just as full of hate towards him and his supporters, if this had never happened.


It is dishonest of you to pretend otherwise.

 

[OKTexas]

Barr is part of the corruption. The DoJ is broken. The State Department is broken. This administration has a record number of temporary appointees, unconfirmed by a Congress, taken no oath of office, and loyal to Trump personally, not the office of the presidency, the Constitution or the country. Career diplomats suddenly recalled for no reason and replaced by idiots. What is happening now is the tip of the iceberg.


CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on complaint about Trump Ukraine call


WASHINGTON — Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered to be a criminal referral to the Justice Department about the whistleblower's allegations that President Donald Trump abused his office in pressuring the Ukrainian president, U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell NBC News.

The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Department later declined to open an investigation.

The phone call that Elwood considered to be a criminal referral is in addition to the referral later received as a letter from the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community regarding the whistleblower complaint.

Justice Department officials said they were unclear whether Elwood was making a criminal referral and followed up with her later to seek clarification but she remained vague.

In the days since the anonymous whistleblower complaint was made public accusing him of wrongdoing, Trump has lashed out at his accuser and other insiders who provided the accuser with information, suggesting they were improperly spying on what was a "perfect" call between him and the Ukrainian president.

Read the rest of the article using the link

Sounds like good little libs in the government are answering the call to Resist.


View attachment 283186

Sounds like good little cons are living up to their con...and corruption.

No con. Nor corruption here. Not sure what you are referring to.



That was something you just made up.


THe call to "resist"? We all remember it. That is not something I made up.


NOr are the actions of people like you, who certainly seem to have answered and are answering it.


It is unbelievable that people like you, put out a call to "resist" when you lose an election, and when you "resist" you deny that your resistance is based on partisan or ideological reasons.

It is unbelievable that people like you elect a president on a platform of cleaning the swamp and then support him as he puts corrupt individuals (who have had to step down) into cabinet positions and withholds aid to an ally in order to strong arm them into investigating his political opponent! And you support that blatant corruption.

Let's take a peek at some of the blatant corruption you support.

Early 2014 Devon Archer joins the board of Berisma.

April 16 2014, Devon Archer has a WH meeting with Joe Biden, that goes late into the night according to WH records.

April 18 2014, Hunter Biden is suddenly appointed to the Berisma board.

April 21 2014, Joe Biden announces up to 1 billion in US aid to the Ukraine gas industry.

We also know the investigations into Berisma suddenly halted and the UK released 23 million in frozen cash held there.

How about you address these events.

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[iceberg]

First let's get one thing straight, the favor Trump asked for was aid in ascertaining the genesis of the 2016 collusion delusion. If you can't admit that then there is no point in further discussion.

Second, if you read the transcript out loud, the mention of the Bidens lasted about 8 seconds of the 30 minute call and occurred toward the end of the call.

You're entitled to your own opinions, facts are facts, they belong to no one. Zelensky didn't take office till May, how could the State Dept given him a clean bill in May?

.

Yes, it's an opinion!!

Yes, Crowdstrike is part of the collusion delusion conspiracy cooked up that would help manafort and trump' s ego.

We got only 5 to 10 minutes of the call in their summary, there were ellipses... right where the alleged quid pro quo took place

Could have been June, I will look for the link... it's possible it was a State dept analysis on corruption there on its own to assess the country.

Wow more conspiracy theories, you have no proof there were any gaps in the transcripts. If you actually read the transcripts, it was clear he asked Ukraine to cooperate with the US DOJ in both instances. That's another fact, there's nothing wrong with that.

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It is not transcript. It is a memo if a phone call. This administration, unlike prior administrations, stopped doing verbatim transcripts of calls within the first year.

Are you trying 5o say Obama was transparent?

No. I am trying to say exactly what I said. Verbatim transcripts of phone calls were the standard practice in prior administrations and were at the start of Trump’s, but ceased within the first year. You really can’t call it a transcript, it is a memo of a phone call.

ok then lets dig.

general process and info
Who listens in on a president's phone call?

accusations of trump stopping this:
FACT CHECK: Did White House Staff Disable Recording of a Call Between Presidents Trump and Putin?
even snopes says "unproven"

now only phone calls or meetings also? if also meetings -
Former WH official: Obama did not record private meetings - CNNPolitics

now i'm not finding anything on policy around this nor how trump violated said policy. i find screaming headlines saying all kinds of crap but nothing of just process of law and or statute that all presidents must follow.

what they do is transcribe it, or write it down and maybe someone in another room also listening in as well as others in the room itself.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

there's the transcript. are you saying it's "edited" and trump never allows full documentation?

please show me where this is required by law. i simply can't find it. i can find dozen of hype generating headlines saying trump is evil, orange man bad and all that but none of it link back to the documented process and/or how other presidents have handled it in the past.

so before we go on with this, i'd like to see the official process outlined from a neutral source and then how trump broke this policy.

 

[iceberg]

Barr is part of the corruption. The DoJ is broken. The State Department is broken. This administration has a record number of temporary appointees, unconfirmed by a Congress, taken no oath of office, and loyal to Trump personally, not the office of the presidency, the Constitution or the country. Career diplomats suddenly recalled for no reason and replaced by idiots. What is happening now is the tip of the iceberg.


CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on complaint about Trump Ukraine call


WASHINGTON — Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered to be a criminal referral to the Justice Department about the whistleblower's allegations that President Donald Trump abused his office in pressuring the Ukrainian president, U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell NBC News.

The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Department later declined to open an investigation.

The phone call that Elwood considered to be a criminal referral is in addition to the referral later received as a letter from the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community regarding the whistleblower complaint.

Justice Department officials said they were unclear whether Elwood was making a criminal referral and followed up with her later to seek clarification but she remained vague.

In the days since the anonymous whistleblower complaint was made public accusing him of wrongdoing, Trump has lashed out at his accuser and other insiders who provided the accuser with information, suggesting they were improperly spying on what was a "perfect" call between him and the Ukrainian president.

Read the rest of the article using the link

The Justice Department declined to open an investigation because it has become the partisan arm of the GOP and protector of Trump.

Enforcing the law is subordinate to that.

Yea Obama DOJ NEVER did anything questionable AT ALL. fucking hypocrites.

No elected official is perfect, some are better, some are worse and that applies equally to the left and the right. That said there are scumwaffle individuals. I try hard to see both sides but sometimes I think a spade is a spade and falae moral equivalencies are not going to change ut.

The way everything looks, fron the limited array of facts (not conjecture, not conspircy theory) that are available to us is that Trump might have comnitted and act of corruption, using his offoce to withold aid, and promise an oval office meeting in exchange for a favor: investigate specifically, a political rival, based on unsubstantiated allegations, and make a public notice to that effect.

There is no way to take those facts and spin it into something acceptable. It realy isnt. It really really isnt. And once we start defending this sort of abuse of power, WHERE IS THE BOTTOM?

No, Obama did not do anything approaching this. Neither did Bush. That is left and right.

We need ti stop the false comparisons.

We need to call a crime a crime regardless of who does it.

You destroy evidence requested, you pay. Those things when justified are fuel to a fire.

Saying Trump should be impeached for a slice of a conversation yet defending Hillary will keep the divide alive n well and trying to call them false equivalencies won't cut it.

Our hate for 5he other side blinds us to our own actions n we dig this hole deeper.

Hillary was investigated to the nth degree. Do you support the results of it? If you don’t, how can you support the results of the investigation that found insufficient evidence to support a crime of criminal conspiracy by Trump? Neither investigation found enough to support a criminal charge. Folks seem to want to pick and choose guilt and innocence here,

Secondly, I am not calling for impeachment, but I support an impeachment investigation particularly since it may be the only way to cut through the Administration’s obstruction and get at the facts. It is not based on just a slice of conversation, in fact, the primary reasons are laid out in the whistle blowers complaint which was taken seriously by both the IG and DNI.

Do you support an investigation into this? If not, why, when you supported investigations into Hillary?

sorry for the late reply. i was in iceland last week and yesterday was photo editing day. if you can ever make it - it's an AMAZING TRIP!

as for hillary, i'm sick of investigations. all around. if she got away with something - as i do feel she has - then she got away with it. however, they did get most of those e-mails back. but along the way you're saying her e-mail server was fine, her IT man going to 4chan looking for how to totally destroy a hard drive, fine. i'm not asking you if she got through the investigations, i'm asking you if you feel it's ok to do these things AT ALL. if you think this is fine, then if/when trump starts deleting requested information, i can only hope to see the same open level of due process afforded to him in the same manner. the same defense of those actions UNTIL he is found guilty by our legal processes.

now - did she do anything wrong? comey said she did but they were not going to prosecute because she didn't know any better and didn't MEAN to do anything wrong.

if she didn't MEAN to do anything wrong then it must mean by definition, she did something wrong. otherwise her intent is irrelevant.

now, it was also found she DID send "C"lassified info. pray tell how does ANYONE get to be secretary of state and NOT know what the C means on these documents? how can the phrase "clean the paper"

can you name anyone else sending classified info like that who did not face prosecution? i can't find any. i can find many who DID - so why does she get a 2nd set of rules? i won't speculate here, so just let me know your thoughts on this. not "well the investigation didn't find anything" because obviously they did but they chose to not go after her.

why?

what i am getting at is the standards we set here can and will be used by others along the way. to get mad another does this while defending one for doing at a minimum the same, is odd to me and nowhere near objectivity.

look, if trump is guilty, get his ass out of office. get ANY guilty party the hell out of office and let's get our country back to the people, not the politicians. i have no allegiance to any side, just this country. if/when i see trump deleting requested conversations, i'll jump his ass for it too.

but given the track record of the left making up issues to go after people, russia, (and the more that comes out the more we know it was bullshit, but that's another convo i suppose), kavanaugh, and now going straight to IMPEACH - that makes me think they do in fact still have demons to hide. we'll see how it plays out i'm sure, but you can't sit there and say hillary was cleared of crimes. she was in fact found to have committed them.

they just chose to not go after her.

a bit different than your stance up there, don't you think?

as for the whistleblowers credibility, well we're still seeing how paperwork and process were changed shortly before the accusations and even schiff was talking crap a month before the whistleblower spouted off. so schiff knew. they had a month to plan and in this time, processes were changed.

do you disagree with that? if not there's simply no sense in going further.

 

[Olde Europe]

as for the whistleblowers credibility, well we're still seeing how paperwork and process were changed shortly before the accusations and even schiff was talking crap a month before the whistleblower spouted off. so schiff knew. they had a month to plan and in this time, processes were changed.

do you disagree with that? if not there's simply no sense in going further.

Yes, I disagree. The paperwork and process have been in place for more than a year when the whistleblower issued his complaint. Schiff knew about the complaint because the whistleblower contacted a committee staffer to inquire about the proper procedures. No information went to Schiff about the whistleblower, or the details of the complaint. So Schiff couldn't have prepared for it. Moreover, Schiff has no say over how the IC IG conducts his business, and cannot change the rules.

The rest of the "b-b-b-but her emails!!!" claptrap is just as weird and fact-free as is your attempt at smearing Schiff.

Living in that rightarded disinformation bubble sure exacts a heavy price.

 

[iceberg]

as for the whistleblowers credibility, well we're still seeing how paperwork and process were changed shortly before the accusations and even schiff was talking crap a month before the whistleblower spouted off. so schiff knew. they had a month to plan and in this time, processes were changed.

do you disagree with that? if not there's simply no sense in going further.

Yes, I disagree. The paperwork and process have been in place for more than a year when the whistleblower issued his complaint. Schiff knew about the complaint because the whistleblower contacted a committee staffer to inquire about the proper procedures. No information went to Schiff about the whistleblower, or the details of the complaint. So Schiff couldn't have prepared for it. Moreover, Schiff has no say over how the IC IG conducts his business, and cannot change the rules.

The rest of the "b-b-b-but her emails!!!" claptrap is just as weird and fact-free as is your attempt at smearing Schiff.

Living in that rightarded disinformation bubble sure exacts a heavy price.

smearing schiff? you mean the jr high bubble boy who finds it ok to smear the president? dude, you gonna fling mud, you're gonna get dirty also.

so play in your own dis-information bubble. i'm trying to find the truth in all this and have asked people who seem to be more familiar with it LONG BEFORE it became todays hot topic for the base info / truth. i've said time and again my "jury" is still out on what happened but i am digging. i simply don't understand how "discredited" info can still be tied to a name and people get away with it - EITHER FUCKING SIDE - cause both do it. if you deny that, then you're the sack of horse-shit you smell like from here.

 

[Olde Europe]

smearing schiff? you mean the jr high bubble boy who finds it ok to smear the president?

Yeah, "smearing schiff". You know, you rather strenuously try to give yourself the flair of an equitable truth-seeker. To pull that off, you should at least acquaint yourself with the proper terminology. Suspecting Trump, based on already voluminous and growing evidence, of crimes against the truth, common decency, the law, and the Constitution, and announcing an endeavor to gather more evidence on that criminality, is not usually described at "smearing" someone.

Smearing is what you do, based on internet rumors and innuendo you gathered from the silly click-bait sites you frequent, with no basis in fact whatsoever, such as hinting the whistleblower was cooperating with Schiff, while that was clearly not the case.

As I said, living in that disinformation bubble exacts a terrible price, not least that you can't help giving away what you are doing, and the disinformation and the juvenile insults ("jr high bubble boy", "sack of horse-shit") you are spreading more than anything put the lie to the truth-seeker costume you put on. It doesn't fit, it's a fraud, and everyone even moderately acquainted with the facts of the Ukraine case can see it, quite easily.

 

[iceberg]

smearing schiff? you mean the jr high bubble boy who finds it ok to smear the president?

Yeah, "smearing schiff". You know, you rather strenuously try to give yourself the flair of an equitable truth-seeker. To pull that off, you should at least acquaint yourself with the proper terminology. Suspecting Trump, based on already voluminous and growing evidence, of crimes against the truth, common decency, the law, and the Constitution, and announcing an endeavor to gather more evidence on that criminality, is not usually described at "smearing" someone.

Smearing is what you do, based on internet rumors and innuendo you gathered from the silly click-bait sites you frequent, with no basis in fact whatsoever, such as hinting the whistleblower was cooperating with Schiff, while that was clearly not the case.

As I said, living in that disinformation bubble exacts a terrible price, not least that you can't help giving away what you are doing, and the disinformation and the juvenile insults ("jr high bubble boy", "sack of horse-shit") you are spreading more than anything put the lie to the truth-seeker costume you put on. It doesn't fit, it's a fraud, and everyone even moderately acquainted with the facts of the Ukraine case can see it, quite easily.

yea, i do drop some insults at times. when the person has shown time and again that's how they roll and play, i just reply back in kind. when you show intelligent conversation, i usually refrain from that.

i am who i am. you can portray that however you wish. doesn't make you right but certainly your impression. however, given your lack of objectivity, i'm fine with it. you call me a fraud, i just laugh and move on with my day.