Citizenship vs. Liberalism

Conservatives founded the US?!?! LOL...Now I've heard everything.

Ignore the very definition of conservative! Instead listen to the chopped up musings of someone with sentence or paragraph dyslexia. If she talks enough it will become true. Stupid Websters with their "definitions" smh

George Washington was the wealthiest President we've ever had.

The Revolutionary leaders were almost exclusively wealthy, educated men.

Most were landowners. Most were married. Most were successful.

They were Conservatives.

Now the French? The French Revolution?

They were scum -- Like you.

The French Revolution is where you get your ideas from. But you're not bright enough to know that and you're too lazy to study it and figure it out.

The French Revolution was the libturd Revolution. The American Revolution was the Conservative Revolution.

Republicans follow the lead of Washington, Jefferson and Hamilton.

The scum of the Earth -- You. Follow the lead of Robespierre.

Just a fact.

You mean the French who sent soldiers and money to feed and clothe the liberals who were fighting the king? You mean those French?

They were, btw, the same French who helped the liberal revolutionaries fight the conservative spies who were reporting back to the king's men.
 
Conservatives founded the US?!?! LOL...Now I've heard everything.

Ignore the very definition of conservative! Instead listen to the chopped up musings of someone with sentence or paragraph dyslexia. If she talks enough it will become true. Stupid Websters with their "definitions" smh

George Washington was the wealthiest President we've ever had.

The Revolutionary leaders were almost exclusively wealthy, educated men.

Most were landowners. Most were married. Most were successful.

They were Conservatives.

Now the French? The French Revolution?

They were scum -- Like you.

The French Revolution is where you get your ideas from. But you're not bright enough to know that and you're too lazy to study it and figure it out.

The French Revolution was the libturd Revolution. The American Revolution was the Conservative Revolution.

Republicans follow the lead of Washington, Jefferson and Hamilton.

The scum of the Earth -- You. Follow the lead of Robespierre.

Just a fact.

You mean the French who sent soldiers and money to feed and clothe the liberals who were fighting the king? You mean those French?

They were, btw, the same French who helped the liberal revolutionaries fight the conservative spies who were reporting back to the king's men.

:eek:

Please put down the pipe when you're in USMB


shit
 
Liberalism is a relative term. There may be a static definition, but that definition never really applies in the real world since liberalism today has little to no resemblance to the dictionary definition. Afterall liberalism literally demands SMALL governance.
What we have is "American Liberalism".
IMO - American Liberalism means:
1) Large, nanny government that takes from the haves, and gives to the have nots Unfortunately usually without any strings attached. Read: HIGH TAXATION. HIGH SOCIAL COST.
2) Large, ever present government that heavily regulates and controls commerce.

So in essence, a large overbearing government. The exact opposite of liberalism.

And where's the better model? That is, a country that doesn't help its poor people at all, and as a consequence has a better socio-economic condition than we do?
 
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Conservatives founded the US?!?! LOL...Now I've heard everything.

Ignore the very definition of conservative! Instead listen to the chopped up musings of someone with sentence or paragraph dyslexia. If she talks enough it will become true. Stupid Websters with their "definitions" smh

George Washington was the wealthiest President we've ever had.

The Revolutionary leaders were almost exclusively wealthy, educated men.

Most were landowners. Most were married. Most were successful.

They were Conservatives.

Now the French? The French Revolution?

They were scum -- Like you.

The French Revolution is where you get your ideas from. But you're not bright enough to know that and you're too lazy to study it and figure it out.

The French Revolution was the libturd Revolution. The American Revolution was the Conservative Revolution.

Republicans follow the lead of Washington, Jefferson and Hamilton.

The scum of the Earth -- You. Follow the lead of Robespierre.

Just a fact.

You mean the French who sent soldiers and money to feed and clothe the liberals who were fighting the king? You mean those French?

They were, btw, the same French who helped the liberal revolutionaries fight the conservative spies who were reporting back to the king's men.
I like how in their twisted version of history the Conservatives throw a Revolution, and state that all men are equal, and pledge their lives and their wealth to the cause? Those are Conservatives I would have liked to have had a beer with, since I've never met one or even knew such a thing existed before they made it up...
 
George Washington was the wealthiest President we've ever had.

The Revolutionary leaders were almost exclusively wealthy, educated men.

Most were landowners. Most were married. Most were successful.

They were Conservatives.

Now the French? The French Revolution?

They were scum -- Like you.

The French Revolution is where you get your ideas from. But you're not bright enough to know that and you're too lazy to study it and figure it out.

The French Revolution was the libturd Revolution. The American Revolution was the Conservative Revolution.

Republicans follow the lead of Washington, Jefferson and Hamilton.

The scum of the Earth -- You. Follow the lead of Robespierre.

Just a fact.

You mean the French who sent soldiers and money to feed and clothe the liberals who were fighting the king? You mean those French?

They were, btw, the same French who helped the liberal revolutionaries fight the conservative spies who were reporting back to the king's men.
I like how in their twisted version of history the Conservatives throw a Revolution, and state that all men are equal, and pledge their lives and their wealth to the cause? Those are Conservatives I would have liked to have had a beer with, since I've never met one or even knew such a thing existed before they made it up...

Wow!!

You people really are stupid.

I mean it. Stupid AND uneducated.

What the FUCK are you talking about?

Fucking morons.

You do know that our Revolution was OVER before the French Revolution even began, right?

You DO know that the French who helped us were the ones being overthrown by the French Revolutionaries, right?
 
Conservatives founded the US?!?! LOL...Now I've heard everything.

Ignore the very definition of conservative! Instead listen to the chopped up musings of someone with sentence or paragraph dyslexia. If she talks enough it will become true. Stupid Websters with their "definitions" smh

George Washington was the wealthiest President we've ever had.

The Revolutionary leaders were almost exclusively wealthy, educated men.

Most were landowners. Most were married. Most were successful.

They were Conservatives.

Now the French? The French Revolution?

They were scum -- Like you.

The French Revolution is where you get your ideas from. But you're not bright enough to know that and you're too lazy to study it and figure it out.

The French Revolution was the libturd Revolution. The American Revolution was the Conservative Revolution.

Republicans follow the lead of Washington, Jefferson and Hamilton.

The scum of the Earth -- You. Follow the lead of Robespierre.

Just a fact.


The Loyalists, also called the Tories, were the Conservatives in America at the time of the revolution.
 
You are the citizen of a Liberal Nation founded by Liberals. You are free to leave if you like? That's part of the Liberty idea they believed in.
You keep repeating it as if it was true.
That's because it is.

What you think Liberals are today is what Rush Limbaugh made up in his tiny mind, that your even smaller mind accepted as true, when it isn't.
Limbaugh figures into your world view? Figures. Liberals want the opposite of what the founders established, i.e., a government subservient to the people. They set up a Republic with strong state rights and limited federal oversight, not a socialist state.

Back to your paint can....
 
The Loyalists, also called the Tories, were the Conservatives in America at the time of the revolution.
Wrong. Conservatives believe in smaller government, less central control, freedom in the marketplace and an armed population to overthrow tyranny. You are 180 degrees out of phase with reality.
 
Conservatives founded the US?!?! LOL...Now I've heard everything.

Ignore the very definition of conservative! Instead listen to the chopped up musings of someone with sentence or paragraph dyslexia. If she talks enough it will become true. Stupid Websters with their "definitions" smh

George Washington was the wealthiest President we've ever had.

So?

The Revolutionary leaders were almost exclusively wealthy, educated men.

So?

Most were landowners. Most were married. Most were successful.

So

They were Conservatives.

Huh? You said they had money therefore they were conservatives :lol::lol::lol:

Now the French? The French Revolution?

Ohh la la

They were scum -- Like you.

...because....french fries

The French Revolution is where you get your ideas from. But you're not bright enough to know that and you're too lazy to study it and figure it out.

I'm not bright but I get my ideas from the French but I dont study so I cant have ideas. You're batting a 1000

The French Revolution was the libturd Revolution. The American Revolution was the Conservative Revolution.

:badgrin::badgrin: I can almost hear you sobbing

Republicans follow the lead of Washington, Jefferson and Hamilton.

The scum of the Earth -- You. Follow the lead of Robespierre.

Just a fact.

You eat turds out of fat bitches dumper. Then spew it on the message board.

Just a fact.
 
You keep repeating it as if it was true.
That's because it is.

What you think Liberals are today is what Rush Limbaugh made up in his tiny mind, that your even smaller mind accepted as true, when it isn't.
Limbaugh figures into your world view? Figures. Liberals want the opposite of what the founders established, i.e., a government subservient to the people. They set up a Republic with strong state rights and limited federal oversight, not a socialist state.

Back to your paint can....
Limbaugh doesn't figure into my worldview, he's who creates yours.
 
The Loyalists, also called the Tories, were the Conservatives in America at the time of the revolution.
Wrong. Conservatives believe in smaller government, less central control, freedom in the marketplace and an armed population to overthrow tyranny. You are 180 degrees out of phase with reality.
At that point, it's American History, what they believed in was the Rule of King George. When the Revolution started many of them fled to Canada. We were even nice enough to give them their lands back when the war ended. Very Liberal of us eh? Yeppers.
 
Conservatives founded the US?!?! LOL...Now I've heard everything.

Ignore the very definition of conservative! Instead listen to the chopped up musings of someone with sentence or paragraph dyslexia. If she talks enough it will become true. Stupid Websters with their "definitions" smh

George Washington was the wealthiest President we've ever had.

The Revolutionary leaders were almost exclusively wealthy, educated men.

Most were landowners. Most were married. Most were successful.

They were Conservatives.

Now the French? The French Revolution?

They were scum -- Like you.

The French Revolution is where you get your ideas from. But you're not bright enough to know that and you're too lazy to study it and figure it out.

The French Revolution was the libturd Revolution. The American Revolution was the Conservative Revolution.

Republicans follow the lead of Washington, Jefferson and Hamilton.

The scum of the Earth -- You. Follow the lead of Robespierre.

Just a fact.


The Loyalists, also called the Tories, were the Conservatives in America at the time of the revolution.

Was Stalin a Conservative?

How about Hitler? A Conservative?

Is Castro a Conservative or a liberal scumbag like you?

How about Kim Jong Un? How about Mao?

What is a Conservative?

You're a lying scumbag that only sees things the way he wants to see them.

All you understand is if you agree with it, it's good and if you don't, it's bad.

You're a self-deluding piece of shit.

In 18th Century terms, George Washington might have been a liberal. In today's terms, he was certainly a Conservative.

You're not only self-deluding, you are phenomenally dishonest.

But, you're a dimocrap. The scum of the Earth.

Trying to have a conversation with you people is hopeless.

Now you're gonna tell me that the French Revolutionaries helped us during our War of Independence?

idiot
 
The Loyalists, also called the Tories, were the Conservatives in America at the time of the revolution.
Wrong. Conservatives believe in smaller government, less central control, freedom in the marketplace and an armed population to overthrow tyranny. You are 180 degrees out of phase with reality.
At that point, it's American History, what they believed in was the Rule of King George. When the Revolution started many of them fled to Canada. We were even nice enough to give them their lands back when the war ended. Very Liberal of us eh? Yeppers.

No, idiot.

You people are just fucking stupid and your statement PROVES that you just make shit up to suit your lies.

Liars and stupid?

Yep, that's your typical dimocrap scumbag, people....

Expulsion of the Loyalists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

dimocraps lie. It's what they do.
 
Wrong. Conservatives believe in smaller government, less central control, freedom in the marketplace and an armed population to overthrow tyranny. You are 180 degrees out of phase with reality.
At that point, it's American History, what they believed in was the Rule of King George. When the Revolution started many of them fled to Canada. We were even nice enough to give them their lands back when the war ended. Very Liberal of us eh? Yeppers.

No, idiot.

You people are just fucking stupid and your statement PROVES that you just make shit up to suit your lies.

Liars and stupid?

Yep, that's your typical dimocrap scumbag, people....

Expulsion of the Loyalists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

dimocraps lie. It's what they do.
It's American history, as is what you posted, which doesn't change what I said in the slightest.
 
It is my wont to construct a series of quotes that lead to an overwhelming and undeniable conclusion.....but my pal, Mr. H, insists on the bottom line first....so here it is:
Liberalism is the very opposite of the intent of 'citizenship.'





1. 'Citizenship' is the goal and aspiration of Western political systems, and can be recognized by its result: both "human rights" and "natural rights," which are the pre-condition of their consent to be governed.

a. Those values are memorialized in the United States Constitution, the abrogation of which is the justification for revolution.
While conservatives believe it is the citizen's right to replace an unjust government, Liberals believe that the government is the government, for better or for worse.



2. There is a responsibility that flows from citizenship, duties to others, basically to strangers, including a defense of their common territory and the maintenance of the law that applies within said jurisdiction.
Roger Scruton, "The West and the Rest."

a. Note the central idea: territory. There is no common territory without borders, and without national sovereignty.







3. The tenets of Liberalism are counter to this theme. Liberalism endorses open borders, and a 'citizen of the world' view....a construct that never has and never will exist.

a. Since the dawn of politics, some men have envisioned some global authority that would bring peace and harmony….Utopia. During the Enlightenment, Immanuel Kant argued in favor of a “united power and law-governed decisions of a united will” to create “perpetual peace.”
Cosmopolitan citizenship and postmodernity

4. ‘Global governance, the idea of all humankind united under one common political authority, has not existed so far in human history. This is not to say that it hasn’t been debated, called for, fought for…and as recently as the 20th century, enforced on large swaths of the planet….called communism.

a. Imaginary, not only unproven: data is available documenting the deleterious effects. Called communism, socialism, Liberalism, whatever, it responsible for over 100 million slaughtered human beings.

How to explain its endorsement by the Western elites? Simple: it is a religious belief, largely based on a tragic misunderstanding of human nature, and the Left’s inability to confront, or even recognize, evil.







5. To recognize those wedded to this view, simply note who supports the communist inception, the United Nations.

a. "A young American diplomat was the leading force in the designing of the United Nations. He was secretary of the Dumbarten Oaks Conversations from August to October of 1944 where most of the preliminary planning for the U.N. was done.
He was Roosevelt's right-hand man in February of 1945 at Yalta where the postwar boundaries of Europe were drawn (Roosevelt was a dying man at the time. His death came only ten weeks later).

At Yalta it was agreed that the Soviet Union would have three votes (one each for Russia, Ukraine, and Byelorussia) in the U.N. General Assembly, even though the United States had only one. At Yalta much of Europe was placed under the iron heel of communist rule. At Yalta, Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin appointed this young diplomatic shining star to be the first Secretary-general of the U.N. for the founding conference held in San Francisco,April/June of 1945.

All of this seemed well and good until three years later. Alger Hiss was exposed as a communist spy...."
What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know
What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know






It is not communism, one-world government, or the loss of national sovereignty that promises peace and security.

"They are migrating in search of citizenship - which is the principal gift of national
jurisdictions, and the origin of peace, law and stability and prosperity that still prevail
in the West."
Roger Scruton, "A Political Philosophy," p. 5



Beware of a President intent on giving away America's sovereignty.

Methinks PC could be a successful novelist in the genre of Robert Ludlum or Robert Condon, if she had only learned to compose sentences into paragraphs and paragraphs into chapters. Sadly she has sunk to the lowest level, that of a character assassin of the dead, cherry picking only those sources which she believes are probative of conspiracies long past.
 
"For the framers of the Constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."

General Douglas MacArthur
 
"For the framers of the Constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."

General Douglas MacArthur
So you agree with everything every general has said?
 

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