Climate Change Consensus Is Virtually Unanimous:

[IsaacNewton]

Global Warming is real and accelerating. The science has been settled.

Don't listen to anyone on a message board, go to your local university and talk to the PH.D's there. They will be glad to lay it all out in easily understood detail.

Those who deny it would rather go to the local gas station and talk to the Exxon representative as the 'authority' on the subject.

We report, you decide.

 

[g5000]

Still no facts, just insults and Kool aid drinking opinions?

Surprise surprise...

You do know who this flat earth pope advisor is don't you? None other then Naomi Klein ..I bet you have a poster of her over your racing car bed.

Naomi Klein~the man made climate change cult finnaly being honest | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Never heard of her. She can't be much of a pope if no one has heard of her.

Is this one of those deals where a person finds some whacko, and tries to claim they are a prime mover in a movement in a sad attempt to make some kind of hasty generalization logical fallacy?

Yes. I think that's exactly what this is.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Global Warming is real and accelerating. The science has been settled.

Don't listen to anyone on a message board, go to your local university and talk to the PH.D's there. They will be glad to lay it all out in easily understood detail.

Those who deny it would rather go to the local gas station and talk to the Exxon representative as the 'authority' on the subject.

We report, you decide.

No need... it has been debunked... and anyway, why would I go talk to some moonbat professor?

 

[g5000]

Here's HuffPo disavowing Naomi Klein: Naomi Klein's Own Form of Climate Change Denial: Blame Capitalism

She mercilessly savages moderate environmental NGOs for accepting funding from major polluters and working with industry to pursue incremental approaches and technological fixes to an existential threat that requires, above all, one radical solution: leaving most of the world's known carbon reserves in the ground, forever.

And then Naomi Klein blows it.

For the next three hundred plus pages, she drags the reader along on a syrupy tour of the entire new age kitsch pantheon, from the "brave" climate warriors who chain themselves to bulldozers over "a lone Mi'kmaq mother kneeling in the middle of the highway before a line of riot police, holding up a single eagle feather" to the goat herding yogi who "can feel the earth breathe," before finishing up by literally dolloping out wisdom from her womb.

Having thus alienated mainstream readers - exactly the people the climate change movement most urgently needs to reach out to and bring on board - Klein then blocks meaningful debate among the already converted:

"Meeting science-based [carbon] targets will mean forcing some of the most profitable companies on the planet to forfeit trillions of dollars of future earnings by leaving the vast majority of fossil fuel reserves in the ground. It will also require coming up with trillions more to pay for zero-carbon, disaster-ready societal transformations... if climate justice carries the day, the economic costs to our elites will be real."

Get real, Ms. Klein.

 

[g5000]

Climate Change Consensus Is Virtually Unanimous

... and at one point the consensus that the Sun revolved around the Earth was "virtually unanimous" too fortunately a gentleman named Nicolaus Copernicus understood that science isn't a democracy and now 470 years later some people still haven't learned that.

So I guess this means the moon landings were a hoax since it is a consensus they weren't.

By golly, I can use your TardLogic™ to disregard all scientific theories!

"I shall now leap from this building and fly!"

Good Lord..... there is actual evidence of the moon landings.... you know, moon rocks and video and whatnot. AGW is based on flawed models and answers to a poll.

Moon rocks? They could be from the Arizona desert, you wouldn't know the difference.

And videos can be faked. I saw Capricorn One!

 

[Wyatt earp]

Here's HuffPo disavowing Naomi Klein: Naomi Klein's Own Form of Climate Change Denial: Blame Capitalism

She mercilessly savages moderate environmental NGOs for accepting funding from major polluters and working with industry to pursue incremental approaches and technological fixes to an existential threat that requires, above all, one radical solution: leaving most of the world's known carbon reserves in the ground, forever.

And then Naomi Klein blows it.

For the next three hundred plus pages, she drags the reader along on a syrupy tour of the entire new age kitsch pantheon, from the "brave" climate warriors who chain themselves to bulldozers over "a lone Mi'kmaq mother kneeling in the middle of the highway before a line of riot police, holding up a single eagle feather" to the goat herding yogi who "can feel the earth breathe," before finishing up by literally dolloping out wisdom from her womb.

Having thus alienated mainstream readers - exactly the people the climate change movement most urgently needs to reach out to and bring on board - Klein then blocks meaningful debate among the already converted:

"Meeting science-based [carbon] targets will mean forcing some of the most profitable companies on the planet to forfeit trillions of dollars of future earnings by leaving the vast majority of fossil fuel reserves in the ground. It will also require coming up with trillions more to pay for zero-carbon, disaster-ready societal transformations... if climate justice carries the day, the economic costs to our elites will be real."

Get real, Ms. Klein.

It wouldn't be to bad except the damn flat earth pope invites the nut bag to the Vatican


Pope Francis recruits Naomi Klein in climate change battle

 

[Dot Com]

I wonder how long ole Bernie had to burn his brain to come up with that stupid line.

they feed out one liners of gibberish and hope the majority swallows it.

just awful how they believe we are all stupid and will believe anything they put out there

Stephanie's word is good enough for me!!!

What were your bona fides again Steph? High school? College/University?

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[RoshawnMarkwees]

Global Warming is real and accelerating. The science has been settled.

Don't listen to anyone on a message board, go to your local university and talk to the PH.D's there. They will be glad to lay it all out in easily understood detail.

Those who deny it would rather go to the local gas station and talk to the Exxon representative as the 'authority' on the subject.

We report, you decide.

Ask your local university atmospherics professor about the grant money they receive to support AGW theory.
Then ask the university atmospherics professors emeritus who dispute with vigor the AGW theory and the agenda driving it.
Then decide.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I wonder how long ole Bernie had to burn his brain to come up with that stupid line.

they feed out one liners of gibberish and hope the majority swallows it.

just awful how they believe we are all stupid and will believe anything they put out there

Stephanie's word is good enough for me!!!

What were your bona fides again Steph? High school? College/University?

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Why are you even posting on this thread? Don't you have better things to do?

Like cry like a little baby to the mods for the 50th time about the environment forum?

 

[g5000]

Here's HuffPo disavowing Naomi Klein: Naomi Klein's Own Form of Climate Change Denial: Blame Capitalism

She mercilessly savages moderate environmental NGOs for accepting funding from major polluters and working with industry to pursue incremental approaches and technological fixes to an existential threat that requires, above all, one radical solution: leaving most of the world's known carbon reserves in the ground, forever.

And then Naomi Klein blows it.

For the next three hundred plus pages, she drags the reader along on a syrupy tour of the entire new age kitsch pantheon, from the "brave" climate warriors who chain themselves to bulldozers over "a lone Mi'kmaq mother kneeling in the middle of the highway before a line of riot police, holding up a single eagle feather" to the goat herding yogi who "can feel the earth breathe," before finishing up by literally dolloping out wisdom from her womb.

Having thus alienated mainstream readers - exactly the people the climate change movement most urgently needs to reach out to and bring on board - Klein then blocks meaningful debate among the already converted:

"Meeting science-based [carbon] targets will mean forcing some of the most profitable companies on the planet to forfeit trillions of dollars of future earnings by leaving the vast majority of fossil fuel reserves in the ground. It will also require coming up with trillions more to pay for zero-carbon, disaster-ready societal transformations... if climate justice carries the day, the economic costs to our elites will be real."

Get real, Ms. Klein.

It wouldn't be to bad except the damn flat earth pope invites the nut bag to the Vatican


Pope Francis recruits Naomi Klein in climate change battle

I said a few weeks ago the Pope is a socialist. His speech to Congress left little doubt.

As for climate change, there is nothing wrong with being skeptical, but there is a big difference between being a skeptic and a denier. The Right is bogged down by deniers.

If global warming is real, and if it is caused by humans, my problem starts with the Left's "solutions" to global warming. I've often said the climate change movement is the 1970s Old Left socialism with a new party dress on, but no amount of bling can hide the wrinkles on that old familiar face.

I don't trust the Left to solve problems, and never have.

It's one thing to think the Left couldn't solve a problem, it's another thing entirely to deny the problem exists.

I am more and more convinced the problem exists.

 

[NightFox]

If global warming is real, and if it is caused by humans, my problem starts with the Left's "solutions" to global warming.

Just so, solutions from the crowd that cannot build a functioning web site for a billion dollars, they might as well just go ahead and pass a law that it's illegal for the sun to shine so brightly since:

a.) it would be about as effective in solving "the problem" as what has been proposed thus far.
b.) it has nowhere near all the negative economic and individual liberty consequences.

Expecting government to control the climate is like expecting a kindergartener to perform brain surgery, in both cases the results are likely to be far worse than the original problem.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Climate Change Consensus Is Virtually Unanimous

... and at one point the consensus that the Sun revolved around the Earth was "virtually unanimous" too fortunately a gentleman named Nicolaus Copernicus understood that science isn't a democracy and now 470 years later some people still haven't learned that.

So I guess this means the moon landings were a hoax since it is a consensus they weren't.

By golly, I can use your TardLogic™ to disregard all scientific theories!

"I shall now leap from this building and fly!"

Good Lord..... there is actual evidence of the moon landings.... you know, moon rocks and video and whatnot. AGW is based on flawed models and answers to a poll.

Moon rocks? They could be from the Arizona desert, you wouldn't know the difference.

And videos can be faked. I saw Capricorn One!

Yeah, I know.... it was a Hollywood production shot in AZ.

Got it.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Here's HuffPo disavowing Naomi Klein: Naomi Klein's Own Form of Climate Change Denial: Blame Capitalism

She mercilessly savages moderate environmental NGOs for accepting funding from major polluters and working with industry to pursue incremental approaches and technological fixes to an existential threat that requires, above all, one radical solution: leaving most of the world's known carbon reserves in the ground, forever.

And then Naomi Klein blows it.

For the next three hundred plus pages, she drags the reader along on a syrupy tour of the entire new age kitsch pantheon, from the "brave" climate warriors who chain themselves to bulldozers over "a lone Mi'kmaq mother kneeling in the middle of the highway before a line of riot police, holding up a single eagle feather" to the goat herding yogi who "can feel the earth breathe," before finishing up by literally dolloping out wisdom from her womb.

Having thus alienated mainstream readers - exactly the people the climate change movement most urgently needs to reach out to and bring on board - Klein then blocks meaningful debate among the already converted:

"Meeting science-based [carbon] targets will mean forcing some of the most profitable companies on the planet to forfeit trillions of dollars of future earnings by leaving the vast majority of fossil fuel reserves in the ground. It will also require coming up with trillions more to pay for zero-carbon, disaster-ready societal transformations... if climate justice carries the day, the economic costs to our elites will be real."

Get real, Ms. Klein.

It wouldn't be to bad except the damn flat earth pope invites the nut bag to the Vatican


Pope Francis recruits Naomi Klein in climate change battle

I said a few weeks ago the Pope is a socialist. His speech to Congress left little doubt.

As for climate change, there is nothing wrong with being skeptical, but there is a big difference between being a skeptic and a denier. The Right is bogged down by deniers.

If global warming is real, and if it is caused by humans, my problem starts with the Left's "solutions" to global warming. I've often said the climate change movement is the 1970s Old Left socialism with a new party dress on, but no amount of bling can hide the wrinkles on that old familiar face.

I don't trust the Left to solve problems, and never have.

It's one thing to think the Left couldn't solve a problem, it's another thing entirely to deny the problem exists.

I am more and more convinced the problem exists.

Yea I know, I don't disagree that the climate is changing but how much is man contributing?

The ultra left always thinks pollution =climate change.

Plus I always bitch about lack of records/data and I have been hearing the fear mongering ever since I had my first subscription to popular science and popular mechanix since the early 70's...We all know who took over green peace/the environment movement~the liberal radicals of the 60`s

 

[g5000]

If global warming is real, and if it is caused by humans, my problem starts with the Left's "solutions" to global warming.

Just so, solutions from the crowd that cannot build a functioning web site for a billion dollars, they might as well just go ahead and pass a law that it's illegal for the sun to shine so brightly since:

a.) it would be about as effective in solving "the problem" as what has been proposed thus far.
b.) it has nowhere near all the negative economic and individual liberty consequences.

Expecting government to control the climate is like expecting a kindergartener to perform brain surgery, in both cases the results are likely to be far worse than the original problem.

I occasionally make the politically incorrect joke that we should build a giant solar thermal collector farm over the entire state of Nevada, and we could make blacks polish the mirrors since they were happier back in the days when they were slaves picking cotton.

It's a win/win policy proposal that should make both sides of the political spectrum orgasmic with enthusiasm.

 

[Dot Com]

Here's HuffPo disavowing Naomi Klein: Naomi Klein's Own Form of Climate Change Denial: Blame Capitalism

She mercilessly savages moderate environmental NGOs for accepting funding from major polluters and working with industry to pursue incremental approaches and technological fixes to an existential threat that requires, above all, one radical solution: leaving most of the world's known carbon reserves in the ground, forever.

And then Naomi Klein blows it.

For the next three hundred plus pages, she drags the reader along on a syrupy tour of the entire new age kitsch pantheon, from the "brave" climate warriors who chain themselves to bulldozers over "a lone Mi'kmaq mother kneeling in the middle of the highway before a line of riot police, holding up a single eagle feather" to the goat herding yogi who "can feel the earth breathe," before finishing up by literally dolloping out wisdom from her womb.

Having thus alienated mainstream readers - exactly the people the climate change movement most urgently needs to reach out to and bring on board - Klein then blocks meaningful debate among the already converted:

"Meeting science-based [carbon] targets will mean forcing some of the most profitable companies on the planet to forfeit trillions of dollars of future earnings by leaving the vast majority of fossil fuel reserves in the ground. It will also require coming up with trillions more to pay for zero-carbon, disaster-ready societal transformations... if climate justice carries the day, the economic costs to our elites will be real."

Get real, Ms. Klein.

It wouldn't be to bad except the damn flat earth pope invites the nut bag to the Vatican


Pope Francis recruits Naomi Klein in climate change battle

I said a few weeks ago the Pope is a socialist. His speech to Congress left little doubt.

As for climate change, there is nothing wrong with being skeptical, but there is a big difference between being a skeptic and a denier. The Right is bogged down by deniers.

If global warming is real, and if it is caused by humans, my problem starts with the Left's "solutions" to global warming. I've often said the climate change movement is the 1970s Old Left socialism with a new party dress on, but no amount of bling can hide the wrinkles on that old familiar face.

I don't trust the Left to solve problems, and never have.

It's one thing to think the Left couldn't solve a problem, it's another thing entirely to deny the problem exists.

I am more and more convinced the problem exists.

70% of those polled by Scientific American agree

Rising numbers of Americans believe climate science, poll shows

Sent from my BN NookHD+ using Tapatalk

 

[g5000]

Climate Change Consensus Is Virtually Unanimous

... and at one point the consensus that the Sun revolved around the Earth was "virtually unanimous" too fortunately a gentleman named Nicolaus Copernicus understood that science isn't a democracy and now 470 years later some people still haven't learned that.

So I guess this means the moon landings were a hoax since it is a consensus they weren't.

By golly, I can use your TardLogic™ to disregard all scientific theories!

"I shall now leap from this building and fly!"

Good Lord..... there is actual evidence of the moon landings.... you know, moon rocks and video and whatnot. AGW is based on flawed models and answers to a poll.

Moon rocks? They could be from the Arizona desert, you wouldn't know the difference.

And videos can be faked. I saw Capricorn One!

Yeah, I know.... it was a Hollywood production shot in AZ.

Got it.

I love that movie. Neil Armstrong was perfect casting.

 

[g5000]

Here's HuffPo disavowing Naomi Klein: Naomi Klein's Own Form of Climate Change Denial: Blame Capitalism

She mercilessly savages moderate environmental NGOs for accepting funding from major polluters and working with industry to pursue incremental approaches and technological fixes to an existential threat that requires, above all, one radical solution: leaving most of the world's known carbon reserves in the ground, forever.

And then Naomi Klein blows it.

For the next three hundred plus pages, she drags the reader along on a syrupy tour of the entire new age kitsch pantheon, from the "brave" climate warriors who chain themselves to bulldozers over "a lone Mi'kmaq mother kneeling in the middle of the highway before a line of riot police, holding up a single eagle feather" to the goat herding yogi who "can feel the earth breathe," before finishing up by literally dolloping out wisdom from her womb.

Having thus alienated mainstream readers - exactly the people the climate change movement most urgently needs to reach out to and bring on board - Klein then blocks meaningful debate among the already converted:

"Meeting science-based [carbon] targets will mean forcing some of the most profitable companies on the planet to forfeit trillions of dollars of future earnings by leaving the vast majority of fossil fuel reserves in the ground. It will also require coming up with trillions more to pay for zero-carbon, disaster-ready societal transformations... if climate justice carries the day, the economic costs to our elites will be real."

Get real, Ms. Klein.

It wouldn't be to bad except the damn flat earth pope invites the nut bag to the Vatican


Pope Francis recruits Naomi Klein in climate change battle

I said a few weeks ago the Pope is a socialist. His speech to Congress left little doubt.

As for climate change, there is nothing wrong with being skeptical, but there is a big difference between being a skeptic and a denier. The Right is bogged down by deniers.

If global warming is real, and if it is caused by humans, my problem starts with the Left's "solutions" to global warming. I've often said the climate change movement is the 1970s Old Left socialism with a new party dress on, but no amount of bling can hide the wrinkles on that old familiar face.

I don't trust the Left to solve problems, and never have.

It's one thing to think the Left couldn't solve a problem, it's another thing entirely to deny the problem exists.

I am more and more convinced the problem exists.

70% of those polled by Scientific American agree

Rising numbers of Americans believe climate science, poll shows

Sent from my BN NookHD+ using Tapatalk

When it comes to facts, argumentum ad populum is one of the worst logical fallacies.

Public opinion only matters when it comes to policy, as long as the policy does not impinge on the Constitution.

But when it comes to whether or not the moon is made out of cheese, or whether AGW is real, public opinion does not turn the moon into cheese or AGW into a reality.

My acceptance of the facts is based on the experts and their empirical evidence. Then I form my opinions about what should be done about it based on my world view.

Unfortunately, we very, very, very rarely ever get past the fact finding stage around this place. There is a mountain of manufactured bullshit for every nugget of truth.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Here's HuffPo disavowing Naomi Klein: Naomi Klein's Own Form of Climate Change Denial: Blame Capitalism

She mercilessly savages moderate environmental NGOs for accepting funding from major polluters and working with industry to pursue incremental approaches and technological fixes to an existential threat that requires, above all, one radical solution: leaving most of the world's known carbon reserves in the ground, forever.

And then Naomi Klein blows it.

For the next three hundred plus pages, she drags the reader along on a syrupy tour of the entire new age kitsch pantheon, from the "brave" climate warriors who chain themselves to bulldozers over "a lone Mi'kmaq mother kneeling in the middle of the highway before a line of riot police, holding up a single eagle feather" to the goat herding yogi who "can feel the earth breathe," before finishing up by literally dolloping out wisdom from her womb.

Having thus alienated mainstream readers - exactly the people the climate change movement most urgently needs to reach out to and bring on board - Klein then blocks meaningful debate among the already converted:

"Meeting science-based [carbon] targets will mean forcing some of the most profitable companies on the planet to forfeit trillions of dollars of future earnings by leaving the vast majority of fossil fuel reserves in the ground. It will also require coming up with trillions more to pay for zero-carbon, disaster-ready societal transformations... if climate justice carries the day, the economic costs to our elites will be real."

Get real, Ms. Klein.

It wouldn't be to bad except the damn flat earth pope invites the nut bag to the Vatican


Pope Francis recruits Naomi Klein in climate change battle

I said a few weeks ago the Pope is a socialist. His speech to Congress left little doubt.

As for climate change, there is nothing wrong with being skeptical, but there is a big difference between being a skeptic and a denier. The Right is bogged down by deniers.

If global warming is real, and if it is caused by humans, my problem starts with the Left's "solutions" to global warming. I've often said the climate change movement is the 1970s Old Left socialism with a new party dress on, but no amount of bling can hide the wrinkles on that old familiar face.

I don't trust the Left to solve problems, and never have.

It's one thing to think the Left couldn't solve a problem, it's another thing entirely to deny the problem exists.

I am more and more convinced the problem exists.

Yea I know, I don't disagree that the climate is changing but how much is man contributing?

The ultra left always thinks pollution =climate change.

Plus I always bitch about lack of records/data and I have been hearing the fear mongering ever since I had my first subscription to popular science and popular mechanix since the early 70's...We all know who took over green peace/the environment movement~the liberal radicals of the 60`s

We know the CO2 in the atmosphere that is causing Global Warming is from fossil fuels burned by man because the isotope in those is different than the isotope of naturally occurring CO2.

This and the rest of the science was settled 15+ years ago. There is no debate.

Global Warming is real and accelerating and the entire human race is about to get a horrific up-close education on reality soon.

 

[washamericom]

global warming = atlas shrugged sorry libs, but the $$ well/trough is going dry.
time to find another feedbag to tie on. there goes the cradle to grave government scientist vote...

 

[tinydancer]

Here's HuffPo disavowing Naomi Klein: Naomi Klein's Own Form of Climate Change Denial: Blame Capitalism

She mercilessly savages moderate environmental NGOs for accepting funding from major polluters and working with industry to pursue incremental approaches and technological fixes to an existential threat that requires, above all, one radical solution: leaving most of the world's known carbon reserves in the ground, forever.

And then Naomi Klein blows it.

For the next three hundred plus pages, she drags the reader along on a syrupy tour of the entire new age kitsch pantheon, from the "brave" climate warriors who chain themselves to bulldozers over "a lone Mi'kmaq mother kneeling in the middle of the highway before a line of riot police, holding up a single eagle feather" to the goat herding yogi who "can feel the earth breathe," before finishing up by literally dolloping out wisdom from her womb.

Having thus alienated mainstream readers - exactly the people the climate change movement most urgently needs to reach out to and bring on board - Klein then blocks meaningful debate among the already converted:

"Meeting science-based [carbon] targets will mean forcing some of the most profitable companies on the planet to forfeit trillions of dollars of future earnings by leaving the vast majority of fossil fuel reserves in the ground. It will also require coming up with trillions more to pay for zero-carbon, disaster-ready societal transformations... if climate justice carries the day, the economic costs to our elites will be real."

Get real, Ms. Klein.

It wouldn't be to bad except the damn flat earth pope invites the nut bag to the Vatican


Pope Francis recruits Naomi Klein in climate change battle

I said a few weeks ago the Pope is a socialist. His speech to Congress left little doubt.

As for climate change, there is nothing wrong with being skeptical, but there is a big difference between being a skeptic and a denier. The Right is bogged down by deniers.

If global warming is real, and if it is caused by humans, my problem starts with the Left's "solutions" to global warming. I've often said the climate change movement is the 1970s Old Left socialism with a new party dress on, but no amount of bling can hide the wrinkles on that old familiar face.

I don't trust the Left to solve problems, and never have.

It's one thing to think the Left couldn't solve a problem, it's another thing entirely to deny the problem exists.

I am more and more convinced the problem exists.

70% of those polled by Scientific American agree

Rising numbers of Americans believe climate science, poll shows

Sent from my BN NookHD+ using Tapatalk

When it comes to facts, argumentum ad populum is one of the worst logical fallacies.

Public opinion only matters when it comes to policy, as long as the policy does not impinge on the Constitution.

But when it comes to whether or not the moon is made out of cheese, or whether AGW is real, public opinion does not turn the moon into cheese or AGW into a reality.

My acceptance of the facts is based on the experts and their empirical evidence. Then I form my opinions about what should be done about it based on my world view.

Unfortunately, we very, very, very rarely ever get past the fact finding stage around this place. There is a mountain of manufactured bullshit for every nugget of truth.

Oh bite me. The Pope's advisor is Merkels as well.

Know the players and get back to me.