Climate Science Doubts: Not Because of Payment, but Because the Science Is Bad

[CrusaderFrank]

Denier and consensus are cult terms and never used by real scientists

I'm a real scientist. I use the word.

Like I said, no real scientists uses those terms. Thanks for underscoring it

Are you suggesting astrophysics isn't a 'real science' ?

Astrophysics is a real science, but people who use the terms "Consensus" or "Denier" are not scientists

Related:

GSA Today - Groundwork - An Astrophysicist Looks at Global Warming

"Although there are parallels between computing projectile trajectories and computing global warming, there are also differences. In the case of trajectories, one can repeat an experiment many times and measure the uncertainty. In the case of global warming, there is only one Earth’s atmosphere with which to “experiment.” One arrives at formal uncertainties in the models by varying the input parameters (for example, the rate of CO2 input into the atmosphere from fossil fuel burning) and computing many such models."

So there are too many variables for anyone to say they have "Consensus" or that the science is "Settled"

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Denier and consensus are cult terms and never used by real scientists

I'm a real scientist. I use the word.

Like I said, no real scientists uses those terms. Thanks for underscoring it

Are you suggesting astrophysics isn't a 'real science' ?

Are you familiar with "General Relativity"?

Google it and we'll talk later

 

[jc456]

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date.

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date. It also doesn't start until 2002 for some stupid reason.

Too Funny.. You say that you are a scientist but cant read a very simple graph....

he must be from the same breed that can't do experiments.

 

[jc456]

Yes, now read this

Report 95 percent of global warming models are wrong The Daily Caller

Read the studies given in the article I shared plus reports by skeptics that confirm AGW and the consensus.

do you believe the arctic will be ice free next summer?

Decreasing sea ice volume is more important.

Its not. Sea ice volume does not affect sea level.

It should for obvious reasons.

oh s0n.. you're really not writing that oh no, the ralfy has ralfed.

 

[jc456]

Denier and consensus are cult terms and never used by real scientists

Not likely for reasons given earlier. Also, scientists are by default skeptics, which is why they study the matter continuously.

The problem is that governments, households, businesses, and other groups want to know what to do about the problem. Since we also face pollution and peak oil, then the only logical thing to do is to decrease fossil fuel consumption.

The IEA, various multinational banks, and other groups have been suggesting that in their reports. Even several oil companies have been investing in other energy sources.

first prove you have a problem, and to date that hasn't happened. So to move forward provide some fnnn evidence. Then let's talk.

 

[jc456]

Yes, now read this

Report 95 percent of global warming models are wrong The Daily Caller

Read the studies given in the article I shared plus reports by skeptics that confirm AGW and the consensus.

do you believe the arctic will be ice free next summer?

Decreasing sea ice volume is more important.

that wasn't an answer to my question, why did you not answer the question. it's a yes or no response.

As I said, it is very difficult to predict such occurrences, as climate models have not been able to account for around 50 feedback loops. Keep in mind that sea ice is only one of multiple factors involved. For example, I recall that it was estimated that methane would be escaping from sea floors and the tundra decades from now. That phenomenon started around a decade ago.

In the end, what should matter is not predictions of ice-free caps but trend lines, and both show a downward trend for sea ice extent and volume. Similar issues are taking place for 49 other feedback loops.

Finally, what should be noted is the accuracy of the models. Recent studies show that they have been so.

oh gawd, come now, don't you have anything to do?

 

[jc456]

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date.

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date. It also doesn't start until 2002 for some stupid reason.

because he highlighted dude. OMG how stupid can someone be.

I don't know, but you sure are pushing the edge of the envelope on that one

huh, you acting goofy again? Look at the line above the graph it says, since 2002 the trend is cooling. Now goof, what do you supposed that means? Don't need to look it up on line either. Please what does it mean?

Edit, you probably think it means it's been cooling since 1992, right, because it isn't mentioned anywhere in the line. But you, showing all your goofy, point out something that wasn't ever included missing. yep strong goofiness right there. Thanks for the chuckles today .

Surface temperature anomaly goes up and down every few years, but the trend line is upward:

The Escalator

ah.....no!

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Yes, now read this

Report 95 percent of global warming models are wrong The Daily Caller

Read the studies given in the article I shared plus reports by skeptics that confirm AGW and the consensus.

do you believe the arctic will be ice free next summer?

Decreasing sea ice volume is more important.

Its not. Sea ice volume does not affect sea level.

It should for obvious reasons.

No. Sea ice volume floats in the ocean. It does not affect sea level. Melting ground ice affects it directly, and melting ice shelves affect it indirectly by allowing glaciers to flow to the sea quicker - but free floating ice does not change sea level one way or another. For obvious reasons.

 

[ralfy]

Read the studies given in the article I shared plus reports by skeptics that confirm AGW and the consensus.

do you believe the arctic will be ice free next summer?

Decreasing sea ice volume is more important.

Its not. Sea ice volume does not affect sea level.

It should for obvious reasons.

No. Sea ice volume floats in the ocean. It does not affect sea level. Melting ground ice affects it directly, and melting ice shelves affect it indirectly by allowing glaciers to flow to the sea quicker - but free floating ice does not change sea level one way or another. For obvious reasons.

This might help:

Sea level rise due to floating ice

In reference to this study:

The melting of floating ice raises the ocean level ingentaconnect

Details on sea ice volume:

Polar Science Center PIOMAS Arctic Sea Ice Volume Reanalysis

And other impacts listed here:

Climate Change Impact on Sea Ice Decline Weather Underground

 

[ralfy]

I'm a real scientist. I use the word.

Like I said, no real scientists uses those terms. Thanks for underscoring it

Are you suggesting astrophysics isn't a 'real science' ?

Astrophysics is a real science, but people who use the terms "Consensus" or "Denier" are not scientists

Related:

GSA Today - Groundwork - An Astrophysicist Looks at Global Warming

"Although there are parallels between computing projectile trajectories and computing global warming, there are also differences. In the case of trajectories, one can repeat an experiment many times and measure the uncertainty. In the case of global warming, there is only one Earth’s atmosphere with which to “experiment.” One arrives at formal uncertainties in the models by varying the input parameters (for example, the rate of CO2 input into the atmosphere from fossil fuel burning) and computing many such models."

So there are too many variables for anyone to say they have "Consensus" or that the science is "Settled"

You missed the rest of the article, especially the ending.

 

[ralfy]

Read the studies given in the article I shared plus reports by skeptics that confirm AGW and the consensus.

do you believe the arctic will be ice free next summer?

Decreasing sea ice volume is more important.

Its not. Sea ice volume does not affect sea level.

It should for obvious reasons.

oh s0n.. you're really not writing that oh no, the ralfy has ralfed.

Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Read the studies given in the article I shared plus reports by skeptics that confirm AGW and the consensus.

do you believe the arctic will be ice free next summer?

Decreasing sea ice volume is more important.

Its not. Sea ice volume does not affect sea level.

It should for obvious reasons.

No. Sea ice volume floats in the ocean. It does not affect sea level. Melting ground ice affects it directly, and melting ice shelves affect it indirectly by allowing glaciers to flow to the sea quicker - but free floating ice does not change sea level one way or another. For obvious reasons.

Tell 'em how CO2 is spawning all those undersea volcanoes!

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

do you believe the arctic will be ice free next summer?

Decreasing sea ice volume is more important.

Its not. Sea ice volume does not affect sea level.

It should for obvious reasons.

No. Sea ice volume floats in the ocean. It does not affect sea level. Melting ground ice affects it directly, and melting ice shelves affect it indirectly by allowing glaciers to flow to the sea quicker - but free floating ice does not change sea level one way or another. For obvious reasons.

This might help:

Sea level rise due to floating ice

In reference to this study:

The melting of floating ice raises the ocean level ingentaconnect

Details on sea ice volume:

Polar Science Center PIOMAS Arctic Sea Ice Volume Reanalysis

And other impacts listed here:

Climate Change Impact on Sea Ice Decline Weather Underground

Thanks ralfy. I didn't know that. You said it was "obvious" though...seems like a less obvious affect to me.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Has Guam tipped over yet?

 

[ralfy]

Has Guam tipped over yet?

Since you are not interested in discussing this issue seriously, then I'll have to add you to my ignore list.

 

[jc456]

Ser

Has Guam tipped over yet?

Since you are not interested in discussing this issue seriously, then I'll have to add you to my ignore list.

Seriously? Really, you rant on here about bullshit and then make a claim of serious ...well, bullshit!

 

[jc456]

Gre

do you believe the arctic will be ice free next summer?

Decreasing sea ice volume is more important.

Its not. Sea ice volume does not affect sea level.

It should for obvious reasons.

oh s0n.. you're really not writing that oh no, the ralfy has ralfed.

Welcome to my ignore list.

Great that's an honor! Thanks for proving my points!

 

[jc456]

Has Guam tipped over yet?

Since you are not interested in discussing this issue seriously, then I'll have to add you to my ignore list.

Hey rally just put all those who disagree with your side and you on ignore and you my as well leave here, all else is pointless!

 

[IanC]

Has Guam tipped over yet?

Since you are not interested in discussing this issue seriously, then I'll have to add you to my ignore list.

We see many of the implausible predictions of doom coming out climate science media releases as ridiculous as Johnson's concern over Guam capsizing. Gore, for one, has made many insane claims. Not everyone has the background to simply dismiss them. There are many people out there who believe him. And more than a few on this message board as well.

 

[IanC]

Has Guam tipped over yet?

Since you are not interested in discussing this issue seriously, then I'll have to add you to my ignore list.

We see many of the implausible predictions of doom coming out climate science media releases as ridiculous as Johnson's concern over Guam capsizing. Gore, for one, has made many insane claims. Not everyone has the background to simply dismiss them. There are many people out there who believe him. And more than a few on this message board as well.