Collision at sea

[bodecea]

2 DDG's Drag Racing LOL

Tiger cruise?

 

[Wry Catcher]

It happened at night, but i still dont understand how that could happen. I feel sorry for whoever was in command of the bridge at the time. I have a feeling the captain was asleep in his quarters when the collision occurred, so his career is probably safe.

Uh, no. He is ultimately responsible, no matter what!

Port or Starboard lookouts on the bridge had better given the OD a heads up. Was fog a problem, and did the OD not set a fog watch. Too many questions, to little info.

Looks outs are good but is this not the reason they have radar on board? To identify marine traffic before it becomes a problem?
There is a lot of explaining to do about this incident.

I'm sure over the horizon radar does all you claim, but the thread of a collision is much less than when the look out sees a vessel, and reports to the officer on the bridge, "Large ship, bearing 2-5-0 degrees, five miles".

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

2 DDG's Drag Racing LOL

Thats hauling ASS for a ship that size!!

 

[eagle1462010]

2 DDG's Drag Racing LOL

Thats hauling ASS for a ship that size!!

It's gotta be...........to keep up with this.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

2 DDG's Drag Racing LOL

Thats hauling ASS for a ship that size!!

It's gotta be...........to keep up with this.

Pretty impressive that the carrier is only slightly slower.

 

[eagle1462010]

It happened at night, but i still dont understand how that could happen. I feel sorry for whoever was in command of the bridge at the time. I have a feeling the captain was asleep in his quarters when the collision occurred, so his career is probably safe.

Uh, no. He is ultimately responsible, no matter what!

Port or Starboard lookouts on the bridge had better given the OD a heads up. Was fog a problem, and did the OD not set a fog watch. Too many questions, to little info.

Looks outs are good but is this not the reason they have radar on board? To identify marine traffic before it becomes a problem?
There is a lot of explaining to do about this incident.

I'm sure over the horizon radar does all you claim, but the thread of a collision is much less than when the look out sees a vessel, and reports to the officer on the bridge, "Large ship, bearing 2-5-0 degrees, five miles".

The SRO and the OS's assigned job is to watch this and report any nearby contacts...........They failed at their job.........and they will be FRAGGED for it.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It happened at night, but i still dont understand how that could happen. I feel sorry for whoever was in command of the bridge at the time. I have a feeling the captain was asleep in his quarters when the collision occurred, so his career is probably safe.

Uh, no. He is ultimately responsible, no matter what!

Port or Starboard lookouts on the bridge had better given the OD a heads up. Was fog a problem, and did the OD not set a fog watch. Too many questions, to little info.

Looks outs are good but is this not the reason they have radar on board? To identify marine traffic before it becomes a problem?
There is a lot of explaining to do about this incident.

I'm sure over the horizon radar does all you claim, but the thread of a collision is much less than when the look out sees a vessel, and reports to the officer on the bridge, "Large ship, bearing 2-5-0 degrees, five miles".

The SRO and the OS's assigned job is to watch this and report any nearby contacts...........They failed at their job.........and they will be FRAGGED for it.

No doubt a failure occurred, whether technical or human or both is the question. My point is what I had done many times, of course the keel was laid on my ship in 1943.

 

[eagle1462010]

Regardless of the results of the investigation............Regardless of the Human Error that obviously happened...........Regardless of the weather conditions..............

I GUARANTEE you ALL THOSE on that ship, especially those that will soon be under investigation................

NEVER INTENDED FOR THIS TO HAPPEN! THIS WILL HAUNT THEM FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES!

They will have to live with the Fact that the Human errors caused 7 of their shipmates to drown trapped in their berthing area for the rest of their life. I hope more lives are not destroyed because of this.

 

[eagle1462010]

Uh, no. He is ultimately responsible, no matter what!

Port or Starboard lookouts on the bridge had better given the OD a heads up. Was fog a problem, and did the OD not set a fog watch. Too many questions, to little info.

Looks outs are good but is this not the reason they have radar on board? To identify marine traffic before it becomes a problem?
There is a lot of explaining to do about this incident.

I'm sure over the horizon radar does all you claim, but the thread of a collision is much less than when the look out sees a vessel, and reports to the officer on the bridge, "Large ship, bearing 2-5-0 degrees, five miles".

The SRO and the OS's assigned job is to watch this and report any nearby contacts...........They failed at their job.........and they will be FRAGGED for it.

No doubt a failure occurred, whether technical or human or both is the question. My point is what I had done many times, of course the keel was laid on my ship in 1943.

I served on 3 Navy ships.................USS Reeves.............USS Charleston.............USS Wasp............1st 2 were old Rust Buckets............last one was new state of the art.......the systems on the Fitzgerald SHOULD have shown them that contact a long long way off...................If is obvious, opinion......that someone wasn't watching their screen..................especially those assigned to the job to prevent this....................

Human Error will MOST DEFINITELY be the cause of this.................The only question is how many will be held accountable for it.

 

[Vandalshandle]

The Navy has a tradition going back hundreds of years of destroying the careers of senior officers whenever something goes wrong, whether it was their fault, or not. A prime example was when a Jap sub sunk the Indianapolis near the end of WW2, the Navy went so far as to bring the Jap sub captain over to testify against the Indianapolis captain at his court martial. The Indianapolis was under orders to sail through enemy waters unescorted by destroyers, which is almost unprecedented, and, though he was not zig zagging, the Japanese captain testified that it would not have made any difference. Hundreds of American sailors died while drifting in the water for days, because the Navy had a policy of not keeping track of ETA's of ships in wartime. The captain was convicted, and eventually committed suicide.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Navy has a tradition going back hundreds of years of destroying the careers of senior officers whenever something goes wrong, whether it was their fault, or not. A prime example was when a Jap sub sunk the Indianapolis near the end of WW2, the Navy went so far as to bring the Jap sub captain over to testify against the Indianapolis captain at his court martial. The Indianapolis was under orders to sail through enemy waters unescorted by destroyers, which is almost unprecedented, and, though he was not zig zagging, the Japanese captain testified that it would not have made any difference. Hundreds of American sailors died while drifting in the water for days, because the Navy had a policy of not keeping track of ETA's of ships in wartime. The captain was convicted, and eventually committed suicide.

The Wasp hit a reef in 1993 off the coast of Somalia.................Our Captain was relieved afterwards..........He was asleep when it happened. The OOD and QM's screwed up..................and he was removed. I remember it...............He was pissed without saying it as he addressed the crew..............and as he turned over Command......................

They will do the same to this Captain.

 

[Vandalshandle]

John McCain's grandfather was formally reprimanded for losing about 20 yards of the front of his aircraft carrier's landing deck, while sailing to Japan for the surrender proceedings under orders, and having the poor judgement to sail through a typhoon in order to be there on time.

 

[depotoo]

The USS Fitzgerald could have foundered, or even sunk, but for the crew's desperate efforts to save the ship, he said.

"The damage was significant. There was a big gash under the water," Aucoin said at Yokosuka naval base, home of the U.S. Seventh Fleet, the docked Fitzgerald behind him.

"A significant portion of the crew was sleeping" when the destroyer collided with the Philippine-flagged container ship, destroying the commander's cabin, he said.
Bodies found in the U.S. destroyer that crashed off Japan
Fortunately more were not trapped.
This is how badly damaged it is. I hear the greatest damage is below the water line. It was listing quite a bit, pulling into dock.

 

[eagle1462010]

John McCain's grandfather was formally reprimanded for losing about 20 yards of the front of his aircraft carrier's landing deck, while sailing to Japan for the surrender proceedings under orders, and having the poor judgement to sail through a typhoon in order to be there on time.

On my first ship the Reeves our Captain didn't want to be late because of 2 Typhoons.............tried to go between......................they caught us...............and he literally risked our lives and the ship as a result..............Didn't call him wild Bill for nothing...........................

I did something stupid with others..........wanted to see.......open outer hatch to look..............we were in a trough the wall of water was above the mast............We went back inside.............I will never forget that...........ever.

 

[Wry Catcher]

John McCain's grandfather was formally reprimanded for losing about 20 yards of the front of his aircraft carrier's landing deck, while sailing to Japan for the surrender proceedings under orders, and having the poor judgement to sail through a typhoon in order to be there on time.

On my first ship the Reeves our Captain didn't want to be late because of 2 Typhoons.............tried to go between......................they caught us...............and he literally risked our lives and the ship as a result..............Didn't call him wild Bill for nothing...........................

I did something stupid with others..........wanted to see.......open outer hatch to look..............we were in a trough the wall of water was above the mast............We went back inside.............I will never forget that...........ever.

You may enjoy a book I'm currently reading:

DEAD WAKE The last crossing of the Lusitania
by, Eric Larsen, 2015

 

[Scamp]

I remember when the attack sub USS San Francisco hit an uncharted seamount, the Captain was relieved of command and reprimanded.

 

[konradv]

The Navy has a tradition going back hundreds of years of destroying the careers of senior officers whenever something goes wrong, whether it was their fault, or not. A prime example was when a Jap sub sunk the Indianapolis near the end of WW2, the Navy went so far as to bring the Jap sub captain over to testify against the Indianapolis captain at his court martial. The Indianapolis was under orders to sail through enemy waters unescorted by destroyers, which is almost unprecedented, and, though he was not zig zagging, the Japanese captain testified that it would not have made any difference. Hundreds of American sailors died while drifting in the water for days, because the Navy had a policy of not keeping track of ETA's of ships in wartime. The captain was convicted, and eventually committed suicide.

The Indy was on the way back after delivering enriched uranium and A-bomb parts to Tinian. Wonder how things would have turned out, if she'd been sunk on the way there.

 

[namvet]

The deceased are:

- Gunner's Mate Seaman Dakota Kyle Rigsby, 19, from Palmyra, Virginia

- Yeoman 3rd Class Shingo Alexander Douglass, 25, from San Diego, California

- Sonar Technician 3rd Class Ngoc T Truong Huynh, 25, from Oakville, Connecticut

- Gunner's Mate 2nd Class Noe Hernandez, 26, from Weslaco, Texas

- Fire Controlman 2nd Class Carlos Victor Ganzon Sibayan, 23, from Chula Vista, California

- Personnel Specialist 1st Class Xavier Alec Martin, 24, from Halethorpe, Maryland

- Fire Controlman 1st Class Gary Leo Rehm Jr., 37, from Elyria, Ohio

 

[waltky]

Sailors killed in USS Fitzgerald collision identified...

Navy Identifies Sailors Who Died in Ship Collision
19 Jun 2017 | The U.S. Navy has identified the seven sailors who died when the destroyer they were in collided with a container ship near Japan.

The sailors, whose ages range from 19 to 37 years old, were named as follows: Gunner's Mate Seaman Dakota Kyle Rigsby, 19, from Palmyra, Va.; Yeoman 3rd Class Shingo Alexander Douglass, 25, from San Diego, Calif.; Sonar Technician 3rd Class Ngoc T. Truong Huynh, 25, from Oakville, Conn.; Gunner's Mate 2nd Class Noe Hernandez, 26, from Weslaco, Texas; Fire Controlman 2nd Class Carlos Victor Ganzon Sibayan, 23, from Chula Vista, Calif.; Personnel Spec. 1st Class Xavier Alec Martin, 24, from Halethorpe, Md.; Fire Controlman 1st Class Gary Leo Rehm Jr., 37, from Elyria, Ohio.

Clockwise from upper left: Carlos Victor Ganzon Sibayan, Dakota Kyle Rigsby, Gary Leo Rehm Jr., Ngoc T. Truong Huynh, Shingo Alexander Douglass, Xavier Alec Martin and Noe Hernandez.​

The bodies of the sailors were discovered in flooded berthing compartments on the USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) hours after the destroyer collided with the container ship Philippine ACX Crystal from the Philippines around 2:30 a.m. local time Saturday. Three other sailors -- including the commanding officer, Cmdr. Bryce Benson -- were medically evacuated from the scene and a massive search was conducted involving U.S. and Japanese ships and aircraft to locate the service members who remained unaccounted for.

The Arleigh Burke-class destroyer suffered extensive damage above and below the waterline on the starboard, or right, side of the vessel, resulting in flooding in flooding in two berthing spaces, a machinery space and the radio room. The destroyer, aided by tug boats, limped into the Yokosuka port around 6:15 p.m. The incident remains under investigation.

Navy Identifies Sailors Who Died in Ship Collision | Military.com

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Japan Investigates Delay in Reporting US Navy Ship Collision
19 Jun 2017 — Japan is investigating why it took an hour for a collision between a U.S. Navy destroyer and a container ship to be reported.

Japan's coast guard is investigating why it took nearly an hour for a deadly collision between a U.S. Navy destroyer and a container ship to be reported. A coast guard official said Monday they are trying to find out what the crew of the Philippine-flagged ACX Crystal was doing before reporting the collision off Japan's coast to authorities 50 minutes later. The ACX Crystal collided with the USS Fitzgerald off Japan's coast, killing seven of the destroyer's crew of nearly 300. The ships collided early Saturday morning, when the Navy said most of the 300 sailors on board would have been sleeping. Authorities have declined to speculate on a cause while the crash remains under investigation.

A track of the much-larger container ship's route by MarineTraffic, a vessel-tracking service, shows it made a sudden turn as if trying to avoid something at about 1:30 a.m., before continuing eastward. It then made a U-turn and returned around 2:30 a.m. to the area near the collision. The coast guard initially said the collision occurred at 2:20 a.m. because the Philippine ship had reported it at 2:25 a.m. and said it just happened. After interviewing Filipino crewmembers, the coast guard has changed the collision time to 1:30 a.m. Coast guard official Tetsuya Tanaka said they are trying to resolve what happened during the 50 minutes. He said officials are planning to get hold of a device with communication records to examine further details of the crash. Japan's Transport Safety Board also started an accident investigation on Sunday.

Fire Controlman 1st Class Gary Leo Rehm Jr., 37, from Elyria, Ohio.​

Adding to the confusion, a U.S. Navy official said it is sticking with the 2:20 a.m. timing for the crash that he said had been reported by the Fitzgerald. Asked about the earlier time cited by the coast guard, Navy spokesman Cmdr. Ron Flanders said, "That is not our understanding." He said any differences would have to be clarified in the investigation. Nanami Meguro, a spokeswoman for NYK Line, the ship's operator, agreed with the earlier timing.

Meguro said the ship was "operating as usual" until the collision at 1:30 a.m., as shown on a ship tracking service that the company uses. She said the ship reported to the coast guard at 2:25 a.m., but she could not provide details about what the ship was doing for nearly an hour. "Because it was in an emergency, the crewmembers may not have been able to place a call," she said. Coast guard officials are investigating the case as possible professional negligence, but no criminal charges have been pressed so far. On Monday, the Navy's 7th Fleet identified the seven sailors who died. Navy divers recovered the bodies after the severely damaged Fitzgerald returned to the fleet's home in Yokosuka, Japan, with assistance from tug boats.

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[depotoo]

ABC News reporter Matt Gutman put it clearly: “The investigation will hinge on two major questions. How such a ship with some of the best radar in the world, and multiple officers tasked with watching it, failed to notice a stadium-sized cargo ship approaching, and why this happened — military officials telling me everything is on the table, including the possibility that this may have been intentional or even a terrorist attack.”

ABC News provided more details in a video report and created an animation of how the two ships are believed to have collided:


Disturbing Allegations Arise after Container Ship Hits U.S. Navy Ship, Killing 7