Common Sense & Mass Murder

[2aguy]

Exactly. They don't really want common sense regulations. They want all the guns. As we have seen over and over again these common sense regulations don't work. We have yet to see a proposal put forward that would have prevented these killings.

The Republicans get on board with legislation because they too are political. They don't want to be seen as "heartless" when kids are killed. So more dumb bills are passed that actually don't do anything.

Why post when you have nothing to offer? You begin with an echo, the damn lie that gun control = gun confiscation.

Your second borrowed opinion negates how other nations do not have gun violence anywhere near what we have here.

There is no law which prevents law breakers from breaking the law. Most citizens obey laws because they are common sense, such as not going through a red light. And when they do and get caught they are punished.

Okay then, my offer is to allow more law abiding people to have guns and carry them concealed or openly.

It's not a lie, it's what you want. Evidence? Your mentioning of other nations. In those nation's they have the strictest anti gun laws which prohibit their citizens from having guns. Which IS gun confiscation. You have not offered ANYTHING that would stop the issue at hand. Not one thing.

Give us the common sense gun legislation that would stop the situation. Please.

What distinguishes a criminal from a law abiding citizen?

I know from experience, having a gun in one's possession can have some people act recklessly, when they should not have acted at all.

So far the reasons - so to speak - of those who oppose any and all gun control is limited to:

• "Shall not be infringed"
• Gun don't kill, people kill
• It's my right
• Confiscation (slippery slope argument)
• attacks on Democrats, liberals and progressives.

Notice, not one single post by those who oppose any and all gun controls have made mentioned of the victims, those shot, those killed; their family and friend; the cost by LE to respond, EMT's to Respond, hospitals to respond; the disruption to life of those thousands of people who attended, or will attend functions anywhere in the United States do to their selfish and callous disregard for others.

Notice than NONE of you have actually offered a solution to the problem. What exactly is common sense regulations?

Q. What are common sense regulations

A. Licensing & Registration

• Each individual state which wants to can pass legislation requiring anyone in their state, who wants to own, possess or have in their custody and control a firearm needs to:
  • Pass a gun safety course
  • Pass a background check
  • Register and insure their firearms
  • Have never been convicted of a crime of violence; detain as a danger to themselves or others, or been served with a protective order, to stay away from anyone.

How does passing a safety course prevent gun violence?

How does registering your gun prevent gun violence?

And most states already have these types of laws on the books.

And none of them would have prevented the vast majority of the mass murders.

So it appears that your common sense legislation is already in effect, but isn't stopping the gun violence.

So give us some laws that would actually curb the violence we have.

The idea that no solution exists is your strength. The fact is I've told you and others dozens of times that gun controls are not a panacea curing gun violence. So stop asking this stupid question.

Why do we have speed limits, cars can go faster than the speed limits. Would you like to drive your family to the store when drivers ignore red lights, speed limits, stop signs and straying onto the wrong side of the road?

We require those who want to drive to secure a license to do so. They must prove by a driving and written test to obtain the license, and when they prove to not be responsible that license can be suspended or revoked; and even then some will continue to drive.

Wrong....no one says no solution exists....we say that what you propose.....gun registration, licensing gun owners, universal background checks...

Do not work.

what actually works and what we keep telling you works....long prison sentences for using a gun to commit a rape, robbery or murder..... you don't want to admit that because you don't care about actual gun crime....you only care about getting normal people to stop owning guns...

Japan demonstrates this strategy....

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

 

[Brain357]

Why post when you have nothing to offer? You begin with an echo, the damn lie that gun control = gun confiscation.

Your second borrowed opinion negates how other nations do not have gun violence anywhere near what we have here.

There is no law which prevents law breakers from breaking the law. Most citizens obey laws because they are common sense, such as not going through a red light. And when they do and get caught they are punished.

Okay then, my offer is to allow more law abiding people to have guns and carry them concealed or openly.

It's not a lie, it's what you want. Evidence? Your mentioning of other nations. In those nation's they have the strictest anti gun laws which prohibit their citizens from having guns. Which IS gun confiscation. You have not offered ANYTHING that would stop the issue at hand. Not one thing.

Give us the common sense gun legislation that would stop the situation. Please.

What distinguishes a criminal from a law abiding citizen?

I know from experience, having a gun in one's possession can have some people act recklessly, when they should not have acted at all.

So far the reasons - so to speak - of those who oppose any and all gun control is limited to:

• "Shall not be infringed"
• Gun don't kill, people kill
• It's my right
• Confiscation (slippery slope argument)
• attacks on Democrats, liberals and progressives.

Notice, not one single post by those who oppose any and all gun controls have made mentioned of the victims, those shot, those killed; their family and friend; the cost by LE to respond, EMT's to Respond, hospitals to respond; the disruption to life of those thousands of people who attended, or will attend functions anywhere in the United States do to their selfish and callous disregard for others.

Notice than NONE of you have actually offered a solution to the problem. What exactly is common sense regulations?

Q. What are common sense regulations

A. Licensing & Registration

• Each individual state which wants to can pass legislation requiring anyone in their state, who wants to own, possess or have in their custody and control a firearm needs to:
  • Pass a gun safety course
  • Pass a background check
  • Register and insure their firearms
  • Have never been convicted of a crime of violence; detain as a danger to themselves or others, or been served with a protective order, to stay away from anyone.

How does passing a safety course prevent gun violence?

How does registering your gun prevent gun violence?

And most states already have these types of laws on the books.

And none of them would have prevented the vast majority of the mass murders.

So it appears that your common sense legislation is already in effect, but isn't stopping the gun violence.

So give us some laws that would actually curb the violence we have.

The idea that no solution exists is your strength. The fact is I've told you and others dozens of times that gun controls are not a panacea curing gun violence. So stop asking this stupid question.

Why do we have speed limits, cars can go faster than the speed limits. Would you like to drive your family to the store when drivers ignore red lights, speed limits, stop signs and straying onto the wrong side of the road?

We require those who want to drive to secure a license to do so. They must prove by a driving and written test to obtain the license, and when they prove to not be responsible that license can be suspended or revoked; and even then some will continue to drive.

Wrong....no one says no solution exists....we say that what you propose.....gun registration, licensing gun owners, universal background checks...

Do not work.

what actually works and what we keep telling you works....long prison sentences for using a gun to commit a rape, robbery or murder..... you don't want to admit that because you don't care about actual gun crime....you only care about getting normal people to stop owning guns...

Japan demonstrates this strategy....

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

You ignore the fact we have the fullest jails in the world. If jailing more criminals was the answer we would have the lowest crime rates in the world!

 

[captkaos]

Look up the 2nd Amendment, then holler back.

I have it right here,,,and it says nothing ON THIS TOPIC other than
THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BARE ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

Nothing about a well-regulated militia? You must have a special copy.

thats a different subject and a qualifier for why shall not be infringed was needed,,,

and it says nothing about regs or restrictions

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It's part of the same sentence and you claim it's a different subject? Do you think it's there because there wasn't room elsewhere?

we were talking about the right to bare arms not why a militia was necessary,,,

please try and keep up,,,

you said there was a clause that allowed for regs and restrictions,,,so where is it???

Everybody has the right to "bare arms" but make sure you use lots of sun screen. Skin cancer kills more people than guns in the long run. So.. we should fine people with "bare arms" to reduce health care costs to those who cover their arms.

 

[progressive hunter]

I have it right here,,,and it says nothing ON THIS TOPIC other than
THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BARE ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

Nothing about a well-regulated militia? You must have a special copy.

thats a different subject and a qualifier for why shall not be infringed was needed,,,

and it says nothing about regs or restrictions

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It's part of the same sentence and you claim it's a different subject? Do you think it's there because there wasn't room elsewhere?

we were talking about the right to bare arms not why a militia was necessary,,,

please try and keep up,,,

you said there was a clause that allowed for regs and restrictions,,,so where is it???

Everybody has the right to "bare arms" but make sure you use lots of sun screen. Skin cancer kills more people than guns in the long run. So.. we should fine people with "bare arms" to reduce health care costs to those who cover their arms.

but the other bear is a big hairy scary thing so I spell it different on purpose,,,

 

[captkaos]

Nothing about a well-regulated militia? You must have a special copy.

thats a different subject and a qualifier for why shall not be infringed was needed,,,

and it says nothing about regs or restrictions

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It's part of the same sentence and you claim it's a different subject? Do you think it's there because there wasn't room elsewhere?

we were talking about the right to bare arms not why a militia was necessary,,,

please try and keep up,,,

you said there was a clause that allowed for regs and restrictions,,,so where is it???

Everybody has the right to "bare arms" but make sure you use lots of sun screen. Skin cancer kills more people than guns in the long run. So.. we should fine people with "bare arms" to reduce health care costs to those who cover their arms.

but the other bear is a big hairy scary thing so I spell it different on purpose,,,

It's okay to be illiterate darling you live in America. No need to apologize. Or rationalize.

 

[progressive hunter]

thats a different subject and a qualifier for why shall not be infringed was needed,,,

and it says nothing about regs or restrictions

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It's part of the same sentence and you claim it's a different subject? Do you think it's there because there wasn't room elsewhere?

we were talking about the right to bare arms not why a militia was necessary,,,

please try and keep up,,,

you said there was a clause that allowed for regs and restrictions,,,so where is it???

Everybody has the right to "bare arms" but make sure you use lots of sun screen. Skin cancer kills more people than guns in the long run. So.. we should fine people with "bare arms" to reduce health care costs to those who cover their arms.

but the other bear is a big hairy scary thing so I spell it different on purpose,,,

It's okay to be illiterate darling you live in America. No need to apologize. Or rationalize.

thats what you get from public education,,,

but I did spell it wrong on purpose to see who complains,,,

its not like I dont keep a copy next to my computer at all times

 

[2aguy]

Okay then, my offer is to allow more law abiding people to have guns and carry them concealed or openly.

It's not a lie, it's what you want. Evidence? Your mentioning of other nations. In those nation's they have the strictest anti gun laws which prohibit their citizens from having guns. Which IS gun confiscation. You have not offered ANYTHING that would stop the issue at hand. Not one thing.

Give us the common sense gun legislation that would stop the situation. Please.

What distinguishes a criminal from a law abiding citizen?

I know from experience, having a gun in one's possession can have some people act recklessly, when they should not have acted at all.

Notice than NONE of you have actually offered a solution to the problem. What exactly is common sense regulations?

Q. What are common sense regulations

A. Licensing & Registration

• Each individual state which wants to can pass legislation requiring anyone in their state, who wants to own, possess or have in their custody and control a firearm needs to:
  • Pass a gun safety course
  • Pass a background check
  • Register and insure their firearms
  • Have never been convicted of a crime of violence; detain as a danger to themselves or others, or been served with a protective order, to stay away from anyone.

How does passing a safety course prevent gun violence?

How does registering your gun prevent gun violence?

And most states already have these types of laws on the books.

And none of them would have prevented the vast majority of the mass murders.

So it appears that your common sense legislation is already in effect, but isn't stopping the gun violence.

So give us some laws that would actually curb the violence we have.

The idea that no solution exists is your strength. The fact is I've told you and others dozens of times that gun controls are not a panacea curing gun violence. So stop asking this stupid question.

Why do we have speed limits, cars can go faster than the speed limits. Would you like to drive your family to the store when drivers ignore red lights, speed limits, stop signs and straying onto the wrong side of the road?

We require those who want to drive to secure a license to do so. They must prove by a driving and written test to obtain the license, and when they prove to not be responsible that license can be suspended or revoked; and even then some will continue to drive.

Wrong....no one says no solution exists....we say that what you propose.....gun registration, licensing gun owners, universal background checks...

Do not work.

what actually works and what we keep telling you works....long prison sentences for using a gun to commit a rape, robbery or murder..... you don't want to admit that because you don't care about actual gun crime....you only care about getting normal people to stop owning guns...

Japan demonstrates this strategy....

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

You ignore the fact we have the fullest jails in the world. If jailing more criminals was the answer we would have the lowest crime rates in the world!

You ignore the fact that democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians keep letting repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail. Japan sentences anyone using a gun for a crime to life in prison.....they have a 95% conviction rate....so their gun criminals are in jail for life...this dried up gun crime in Japan...

Our judges let repeat, known, felons with multiple gun convictions out on I-bonds before their day in court, they then go out and shoot people and commit other crimes, and then democrat politicians reduce the sentences on gun crimes....and then these violent gun criminals are out of prison in less than 3 years, they get another illegal gun, then they shoot people.

We know how to stop gun crime...it is you and the democrats who keep letting the shooter out of prison.

 

[22lcidw]

Okay then, my offer is to allow more law abiding people to have guns and carry them concealed or openly.

It's not a lie, it's what you want. Evidence? Your mentioning of other nations. In those nation's they have the strictest anti gun laws which prohibit their citizens from having guns. Which IS gun confiscation. You have not offered ANYTHING that would stop the issue at hand. Not one thing.

Give us the common sense gun legislation that would stop the situation. Please.

What distinguishes a criminal from a law abiding citizen?

I know from experience, having a gun in one's possession can have some people act recklessly, when they should not have acted at all.

Notice than NONE of you have actually offered a solution to the problem. What exactly is common sense regulations?

Q. What are common sense regulations

A. Licensing & Registration

• Each individual state which wants to can pass legislation requiring anyone in their state, who wants to own, possess or have in their custody and control a firearm needs to:
  • Pass a gun safety course
  • Pass a background check
  • Register and insure their firearms
  • Have never been convicted of a crime of violence; detain as a danger to themselves or others, or been served with a protective order, to stay away from anyone.

How does passing a safety course prevent gun violence?

How does registering your gun prevent gun violence?

And most states already have these types of laws on the books.

And none of them would have prevented the vast majority of the mass murders.

So it appears that your common sense legislation is already in effect, but isn't stopping the gun violence.

So give us some laws that would actually curb the violence we have.

The idea that no solution exists is your strength. The fact is I've told you and others dozens of times that gun controls are not a panacea curing gun violence. So stop asking this stupid question.

Why do we have speed limits, cars can go faster than the speed limits. Would you like to drive your family to the store when drivers ignore red lights, speed limits, stop signs and straying onto the wrong side of the road?

We require those who want to drive to secure a license to do so. They must prove by a driving and written test to obtain the license, and when they prove to not be responsible that license can be suspended or revoked; and even then some will continue to drive.

Wrong....no one says no solution exists....we say that what you propose.....gun registration, licensing gun owners, universal background checks...

Do not work.

what actually works and what we keep telling you works....long prison sentences for using a gun to commit a rape, robbery or murder..... you don't want to admit that because you don't care about actual gun crime....you only care about getting normal people to stop owning guns...

Japan demonstrates this strategy....

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

You ignore the fact we have the fullest jails in the world. If jailing more criminals was the answer we would have the lowest crime rates in the world!

I do not propose this but other nations have culled their populations. We have criminal codes that can arrest you for anything. And I have gotten push back from a Prog on this site on this issue. With massive government and payouts come criminal declarations. So whatever BLM does, the criminal codes are the same. A lot of money in the fees and fines. And the prison industry is a mighty fine business.

 

[Blues Man]

Okay then, my offer is to allow more law abiding people to have guns and carry them concealed or openly.

It's not a lie, it's what you want. Evidence? Your mentioning of other nations. In those nation's they have the strictest anti gun laws which prohibit their citizens from having guns. Which IS gun confiscation. You have not offered ANYTHING that would stop the issue at hand. Not one thing.

Give us the common sense gun legislation that would stop the situation. Please.

What distinguishes a criminal from a law abiding citizen?

I know from experience, having a gun in one's possession can have some people act recklessly, when they should not have acted at all.

Notice than NONE of you have actually offered a solution to the problem. What exactly is common sense regulations?

Q. What are common sense regulations

A. Licensing & Registration

• Each individual state which wants to can pass legislation requiring anyone in their state, who wants to own, possess or have in their custody and control a firearm needs to:
  • Pass a gun safety course
  • Pass a background check
  • Register and insure their firearms
  • Have never been convicted of a crime of violence; detain as a danger to themselves or others, or been served with a protective order, to stay away from anyone.

How does passing a safety course prevent gun violence?

How does registering your gun prevent gun violence?

And most states already have these types of laws on the books.

And none of them would have prevented the vast majority of the mass murders.

So it appears that your common sense legislation is already in effect, but isn't stopping the gun violence.

So give us some laws that would actually curb the violence we have.

The idea that no solution exists is your strength. The fact is I've told you and others dozens of times that gun controls are not a panacea curing gun violence. So stop asking this stupid question.

Why do we have speed limits, cars can go faster than the speed limits. Would you like to drive your family to the store when drivers ignore red lights, speed limits, stop signs and straying onto the wrong side of the road?

We require those who want to drive to secure a license to do so. They must prove by a driving and written test to obtain the license, and when they prove to not be responsible that license can be suspended or revoked; and even then some will continue to drive.

Wrong....no one says no solution exists....we say that what you propose.....gun registration, licensing gun owners, universal background checks...

Do not work.

what actually works and what we keep telling you works....long prison sentences for using a gun to commit a rape, robbery or murder..... you don't want to admit that because you don't care about actual gun crime....you only care about getting normal people to stop owning guns...

Japan demonstrates this strategy....

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

You ignore the fact we have the fullest jails in the world. If jailing more criminals was the answer we would have the lowest crime rates in the world!

you ignore the fact that we lock up mostly nonviolent offenders.

 

[Brain357]

What distinguishes a criminal from a law abiding citizen?

I know from experience, having a gun in one's possession can have some people act recklessly, when they should not have acted at all.
Q. What are common sense regulations

A. Licensing & Registration

• Each individual state which wants to can pass legislation requiring anyone in their state, who wants to own, possess or have in their custody and control a firearm needs to:
  • Pass a gun safety course
  • Pass a background check
  • Register and insure their firearms
  • Have never been convicted of a crime of violence; detain as a danger to themselves or others, or been served with a protective order, to stay away from anyone.

How does passing a safety course prevent gun violence?

How does registering your gun prevent gun violence?

And most states already have these types of laws on the books.

And none of them would have prevented the vast majority of the mass murders.

So it appears that your common sense legislation is already in effect, but isn't stopping the gun violence.

So give us some laws that would actually curb the violence we have.

The idea that no solution exists is your strength. The fact is I've told you and others dozens of times that gun controls are not a panacea curing gun violence. So stop asking this stupid question.

Why do we have speed limits, cars can go faster than the speed limits. Would you like to drive your family to the store when drivers ignore red lights, speed limits, stop signs and straying onto the wrong side of the road?

We require those who want to drive to secure a license to do so. They must prove by a driving and written test to obtain the license, and when they prove to not be responsible that license can be suspended or revoked; and even then some will continue to drive.

Wrong....no one says no solution exists....we say that what you propose.....gun registration, licensing gun owners, universal background checks...

Do not work.

what actually works and what we keep telling you works....long prison sentences for using a gun to commit a rape, robbery or murder..... you don't want to admit that because you don't care about actual gun crime....you only care about getting normal people to stop owning guns...

Japan demonstrates this strategy....

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

You ignore the fact we have the fullest jails in the world. If jailing more criminals was the answer we would have the lowest crime rates in the world!

You ignore the fact that democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians keep letting repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail. Japan sentences anyone using a gun for a crime to life in prison.....they have a 95% conviction rate....so their gun criminals are in jail for life...this dried up gun crime in Japan...

Our judges let repeat, known, felons with multiple gun convictions out on I-bonds before their day in court, they then go out and shoot people and commit other crimes, and then democrat politicians reduce the sentences on gun crimes....and then these violent gun criminals are out of prison in less than 3 years, they get another illegal gun, then they shoot people.

We know how to stop gun crime...it is you and the democrats who keep letting the shooter out of prison.

Yes they are so easy on our criminals that our jails are fullest in the WORLD! Your arguments are embarassing.

Guns per capita:
US:120.5
Japan: .3

Incarceration rate:
US:655
Japan: 41
Your argument is a joke again.


Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia
List of countries by incarceration rate - Wikipedia

 

[Brain357]

What distinguishes a criminal from a law abiding citizen?

I know from experience, having a gun in one's possession can have some people act recklessly, when they should not have acted at all.
Q. What are common sense regulations

A. Licensing & Registration

• Each individual state which wants to can pass legislation requiring anyone in their state, who wants to own, possess or have in their custody and control a firearm needs to:
  • Pass a gun safety course
  • Pass a background check
  • Register and insure their firearms
  • Have never been convicted of a crime of violence; detain as a danger to themselves or others, or been served with a protective order, to stay away from anyone.

How does passing a safety course prevent gun violence?

How does registering your gun prevent gun violence?

And most states already have these types of laws on the books.

And none of them would have prevented the vast majority of the mass murders.

So it appears that your common sense legislation is already in effect, but isn't stopping the gun violence.

So give us some laws that would actually curb the violence we have.

The idea that no solution exists is your strength. The fact is I've told you and others dozens of times that gun controls are not a panacea curing gun violence. So stop asking this stupid question.

Why do we have speed limits, cars can go faster than the speed limits. Would you like to drive your family to the store when drivers ignore red lights, speed limits, stop signs and straying onto the wrong side of the road?

We require those who want to drive to secure a license to do so. They must prove by a driving and written test to obtain the license, and when they prove to not be responsible that license can be suspended or revoked; and even then some will continue to drive.

Wrong....no one says no solution exists....we say that what you propose.....gun registration, licensing gun owners, universal background checks...

Do not work.

what actually works and what we keep telling you works....long prison sentences for using a gun to commit a rape, robbery or murder..... you don't want to admit that because you don't care about actual gun crime....you only care about getting normal people to stop owning guns...

Japan demonstrates this strategy....

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

You ignore the fact we have the fullest jails in the world. If jailing more criminals was the answer we would have the lowest crime rates in the world!

you ignore the fact that we lock up mostly nonviolent offenders.

We have as many violent criminals in jail as any country.

 

[2aguy]

How does passing a safety course prevent gun violence?

How does registering your gun prevent gun violence?

And most states already have these types of laws on the books.

And none of them would have prevented the vast majority of the mass murders.

So it appears that your common sense legislation is already in effect, but isn't stopping the gun violence.

So give us some laws that would actually curb the violence we have.

The idea that no solution exists is your strength. The fact is I've told you and others dozens of times that gun controls are not a panacea curing gun violence. So stop asking this stupid question.

Why do we have speed limits, cars can go faster than the speed limits. Would you like to drive your family to the store when drivers ignore red lights, speed limits, stop signs and straying onto the wrong side of the road?

We require those who want to drive to secure a license to do so. They must prove by a driving and written test to obtain the license, and when they prove to not be responsible that license can be suspended or revoked; and even then some will continue to drive.

Wrong....no one says no solution exists....we say that what you propose.....gun registration, licensing gun owners, universal background checks...

Do not work.

what actually works and what we keep telling you works....long prison sentences for using a gun to commit a rape, robbery or murder..... you don't want to admit that because you don't care about actual gun crime....you only care about getting normal people to stop owning guns...

Japan demonstrates this strategy....

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

You ignore the fact we have the fullest jails in the world. If jailing more criminals was the answer we would have the lowest crime rates in the world!

You ignore the fact that democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians keep letting repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail. Japan sentences anyone using a gun for a crime to life in prison.....they have a 95% conviction rate....so their gun criminals are in jail for life...this dried up gun crime in Japan...

Our judges let repeat, known, felons with multiple gun convictions out on I-bonds before their day in court, they then go out and shoot people and commit other crimes, and then democrat politicians reduce the sentences on gun crimes....and then these violent gun criminals are out of prison in less than 3 years, they get another illegal gun, then they shoot people.

We know how to stop gun crime...it is you and the democrats who keep letting the shooter out of prison.

Yes they are so easy on our criminals that our jails are fullest in the WORLD! Your arguments are embarassing.

Guns per capita:
US:120.5
Japan: .3

Incarceration rate:
US:655
Japan: 41
Your argument is a joke again.


Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia
List of countries by incarceration rate - Wikipedia

Japan is a police state, and they actually punish gun criminals...their culture, not their gun control, keeps guns out of the hands of criminals...until they increased the sentences for gun crime, the Yakuza frequently went to war with each other using guns and grenades.....do you think grenades are prohibited in Japan?

 

[Blues Man]

How does passing a safety course prevent gun violence?

How does registering your gun prevent gun violence?

And most states already have these types of laws on the books.

And none of them would have prevented the vast majority of the mass murders.

So it appears that your common sense legislation is already in effect, but isn't stopping the gun violence.

So give us some laws that would actually curb the violence we have.

The idea that no solution exists is your strength. The fact is I've told you and others dozens of times that gun controls are not a panacea curing gun violence. So stop asking this stupid question.

Why do we have speed limits, cars can go faster than the speed limits. Would you like to drive your family to the store when drivers ignore red lights, speed limits, stop signs and straying onto the wrong side of the road?

We require those who want to drive to secure a license to do so. They must prove by a driving and written test to obtain the license, and when they prove to not be responsible that license can be suspended or revoked; and even then some will continue to drive.

Wrong....no one says no solution exists....we say that what you propose.....gun registration, licensing gun owners, universal background checks...

Do not work.

what actually works and what we keep telling you works....long prison sentences for using a gun to commit a rape, robbery or murder..... you don't want to admit that because you don't care about actual gun crime....you only care about getting normal people to stop owning guns...

Japan demonstrates this strategy....

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

You ignore the fact we have the fullest jails in the world. If jailing more criminals was the answer we would have the lowest crime rates in the world!

You ignore the fact that democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians keep letting repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail. Japan sentences anyone using a gun for a crime to life in prison.....they have a 95% conviction rate....so their gun criminals are in jail for life...this dried up gun crime in Japan...

Our judges let repeat, known, felons with multiple gun convictions out on I-bonds before their day in court, they then go out and shoot people and commit other crimes, and then democrat politicians reduce the sentences on gun crimes....and then these violent gun criminals are out of prison in less than 3 years, they get another illegal gun, then they shoot people.

We know how to stop gun crime...it is you and the democrats who keep letting the shooter out of prison.

Yes they are so easy on our criminals that our jails are fullest in the WORLD! Your arguments are embarassing.

Guns per capita:
US:120.5
Japan: .3

Incarceration rate:
US:655
Japan: 41
Your argument is a joke again.


Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia
List of countries by incarceration rate - Wikipedia

 

[2aguy]

How does passing a safety course prevent gun violence?

How does registering your gun prevent gun violence?

And most states already have these types of laws on the books.

And none of them would have prevented the vast majority of the mass murders.

So it appears that your common sense legislation is already in effect, but isn't stopping the gun violence.

So give us some laws that would actually curb the violence we have.

The idea that no solution exists is your strength. The fact is I've told you and others dozens of times that gun controls are not a panacea curing gun violence. So stop asking this stupid question.

Why do we have speed limits, cars can go faster than the speed limits. Would you like to drive your family to the store when drivers ignore red lights, speed limits, stop signs and straying onto the wrong side of the road?

We require those who want to drive to secure a license to do so. They must prove by a driving and written test to obtain the license, and when they prove to not be responsible that license can be suspended or revoked; and even then some will continue to drive.

Wrong....no one says no solution exists....we say that what you propose.....gun registration, licensing gun owners, universal background checks...

Do not work.

what actually works and what we keep telling you works....long prison sentences for using a gun to commit a rape, robbery or murder..... you don't want to admit that because you don't care about actual gun crime....you only care about getting normal people to stop owning guns...

Japan demonstrates this strategy....

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

You ignore the fact we have the fullest jails in the world. If jailing more criminals was the answer we would have the lowest crime rates in the world!

you ignore the fact that we lock up mostly nonviolent offenders.

We have as many violent criminals in jail as any country.

It isn't how many are temporarily in prison, it is how many violent gun criminals democrats keep letting out to shoot again...

 

[Brain357]

The idea that no solution exists is your strength. The fact is I've told you and others dozens of times that gun controls are not a panacea curing gun violence. So stop asking this stupid question.

Why do we have speed limits, cars can go faster than the speed limits. Would you like to drive your family to the store when drivers ignore red lights, speed limits, stop signs and straying onto the wrong side of the road?

We require those who want to drive to secure a license to do so. They must prove by a driving and written test to obtain the license, and when they prove to not be responsible that license can be suspended or revoked; and even then some will continue to drive.

Wrong....no one says no solution exists....we say that what you propose.....gun registration, licensing gun owners, universal background checks...

Do not work.

what actually works and what we keep telling you works....long prison sentences for using a gun to commit a rape, robbery or murder..... you don't want to admit that because you don't care about actual gun crime....you only care about getting normal people to stop owning guns...

Japan demonstrates this strategy....

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

You ignore the fact we have the fullest jails in the world. If jailing more criminals was the answer we would have the lowest crime rates in the world!

You ignore the fact that democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians keep letting repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail. Japan sentences anyone using a gun for a crime to life in prison.....they have a 95% conviction rate....so their gun criminals are in jail for life...this dried up gun crime in Japan...

Our judges let repeat, known, felons with multiple gun convictions out on I-bonds before their day in court, they then go out and shoot people and commit other crimes, and then democrat politicians reduce the sentences on gun crimes....and then these violent gun criminals are out of prison in less than 3 years, they get another illegal gun, then they shoot people.

We know how to stop gun crime...it is you and the democrats who keep letting the shooter out of prison.

Yes they are so easy on our criminals that our jails are fullest in the WORLD! Your arguments are embarassing.

Guns per capita:
US:120.5
Japan: .3

Incarceration rate:
US:655
Japan: 41
Your argument is a joke again.


Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia
List of countries by incarceration rate - Wikipedia

Japan is a police state, and they actually punish gun criminals...their culture, not their gun control, keeps guns out of the hands of criminals...until they increased the sentences for gun crime, the Yakuza frequently went to war with each other using guns and grenades.....do you think grenades are prohibited in Japan?

Such a police state that we have drastically more people incarcerated. Again, you are a joke.

 

[Brain357]

The idea that no solution exists is your strength. The fact is I've told you and others dozens of times that gun controls are not a panacea curing gun violence. So stop asking this stupid question.

Why do we have speed limits, cars can go faster than the speed limits. Would you like to drive your family to the store when drivers ignore red lights, speed limits, stop signs and straying onto the wrong side of the road?

We require those who want to drive to secure a license to do so. They must prove by a driving and written test to obtain the license, and when they prove to not be responsible that license can be suspended or revoked; and even then some will continue to drive.

Wrong....no one says no solution exists....we say that what you propose.....gun registration, licensing gun owners, universal background checks...

Do not work.

what actually works and what we keep telling you works....long prison sentences for using a gun to commit a rape, robbery or murder..... you don't want to admit that because you don't care about actual gun crime....you only care about getting normal people to stop owning guns...

Japan demonstrates this strategy....

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

You ignore the fact we have the fullest jails in the world. If jailing more criminals was the answer we would have the lowest crime rates in the world!

you ignore the fact that we lock up mostly nonviolent offenders.

We have as many violent criminals in jail as any country.

It isn't how many are temporarily in prison, it is how many violent gun criminals democrats keep letting out to shoot again...

We have as many violent criminals in jail as any country.

 

[Blues Man]

Criminal Justice Facts | The Sentencing Project

There are 2.2 million people in the nation’s prisons and jails—a 500% increase over the last 40 years. Changes in law and policy, not changes in crime rates, explain most of this increase.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong....no one says no solution exists....we say that what you propose.....gun registration, licensing gun owners, universal background checks...

Do not work.

what actually works and what we keep telling you works....long prison sentences for using a gun to commit a rape, robbery or murder..... you don't want to admit that because you don't care about actual gun crime....you only care about getting normal people to stop owning guns...

Japan demonstrates this strategy....

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

You ignore the fact we have the fullest jails in the world. If jailing more criminals was the answer we would have the lowest crime rates in the world!

you ignore the fact that we lock up mostly nonviolent offenders.

We have as many violent criminals in jail as any country.

It isn't how many are temporarily in prison, it is how many violent gun criminals democrats keep letting out to shoot again...

We have as many violent criminals in jail as any country.

Again, you Troll........letting repeat gun offenders out of jail is the issue, not how many we keep locked up for a few years before letting them out to kill people...

 

[Blues Man]

How does passing a safety course prevent gun violence?

How does registering your gun prevent gun violence?

And most states already have these types of laws on the books.

And none of them would have prevented the vast majority of the mass murders.

So it appears that your common sense legislation is already in effect, but isn't stopping the gun violence.

So give us some laws that would actually curb the violence we have.

The idea that no solution exists is your strength. The fact is I've told you and others dozens of times that gun controls are not a panacea curing gun violence. So stop asking this stupid question.

Why do we have speed limits, cars can go faster than the speed limits. Would you like to drive your family to the store when drivers ignore red lights, speed limits, stop signs and straying onto the wrong side of the road?

We require those who want to drive to secure a license to do so. They must prove by a driving and written test to obtain the license, and when they prove to not be responsible that license can be suspended or revoked; and even then some will continue to drive.

Wrong....no one says no solution exists....we say that what you propose.....gun registration, licensing gun owners, universal background checks...

Do not work.

what actually works and what we keep telling you works....long prison sentences for using a gun to commit a rape, robbery or murder..... you don't want to admit that because you don't care about actual gun crime....you only care about getting normal people to stop owning guns...

Japan demonstrates this strategy....

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

You ignore the fact we have the fullest jails in the world. If jailing more criminals was the answer we would have the lowest crime rates in the world!

you ignore the fact that we lock up mostly nonviolent offenders.

We have as many violent criminals in jail as any country.

Ans we have far more low level offenders as well as unconvicted prisoners awaiting trial

 

[Brain357]

You ignore the fact we have the fullest jails in the world. If jailing more criminals was the answer we would have the lowest crime rates in the world!

you ignore the fact that we lock up mostly nonviolent offenders.

We have as many violent criminals in jail as any country.

It isn't how many are temporarily in prison, it is how many violent gun criminals democrats keep letting out to shoot again...

We have as many violent criminals in jail as any country.

Again, you Troll........letting repeat gun offenders out of jail is the issue, not how many we keep locked up for a few years before letting them out to kill people...

Again, we have the highest incarceration rate in the world! Immensely more than Japan. Your argument is a joke.