Communist California to require Solar Panels on all new homes

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agree, but SS is working and could continue working if the greedy assholes in congress would stop stealing the money that they forced us to put into the SS program for our entire working lives.
You're asking government to not be greedy with money? I'll refer you back to my "doomed to failure" comment. Government has no incentive to be responsible stewards of our money, hence the failure. I'd much rather give my money to someone who's livelihood depends on his/her smart decisions in investing my money for me. They have incentive to take care of my money, the government has no incentive to.

I agree 100%. but we really have no choice about SS, medicare, income taxes, etc. The best we can hope for is to send people to Washington that take the role of government seriously and are determined to follow the constitution.
 
As you know, the Social Security System is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Over the next five years, the Social Security trust fund could encounter deficits of up to $111 billion, and in the decades ahead its unfunded obligations could run well into the trillions.

That was Reagan, 35+ years ago.
Fair enough. Doesn't change the fact that it's a wealth re-distribution program that's run inefficiently and is the one of the main drivers of our national debt.

NOPE, that's false.

SS is operationally VERY efficient with overhead at just 0.7% compared to about 8-10% if you look at any private insurance system.

SS trust fund balance is positive, which means public has paid more into the system than was paid out of it. And the reason why if nothing is done it will turn negative has nothing to do with inefficiency it has to do with there being more retired people that need to be covered.


that would be true if the dems in congress had not merged SS funds with the general fund under LBJ. Now, those working pay for those who are retired. There is no "fund" that was made up from our SS (FICA) deductions.
 
WTG Communists. Wiping out the Middle Class in California. It's so sad and ironic that the Leftists who supposedly despise the Rich, are only hurting the Non-Rich with this awful legislation. Middle Class folks will struggle bigtime to handle the costs of adding solar panels.

California is headed for disaster. Only the very rich and very poor will be welcome there. The Middle Class, which pays the bills, will no longer be welcome. They'll be forced to leave the state. California will eventually resemble Communist messes like Venezuela, Cuba, and so on. It's very sad.
 
WTG Communists. Wiping out the Middle Class in California. It's so sad and ironic that the Leftists who supposedly despise the Rich, are only hurting the Non-Rich with this awful legislation. Middle Class folks will struggle bigtime to handle the costs of adding solar panels.

California is headed for disaster. Only the very rich and very poor will be welcome there. The Middle Class, which pays the bills, will no longer be welcome. They'll be forced to leave the state. California will eventually resemble Communist messes like Venezuela, Cuba, and so on. It's very sad.


liberalism is a failed ideology, never works, never will. What's amazing is that the liberal mind is unable to comprehend that simple truth.
 
WTG Communists. Wiping out the Middle Class in California. It's so sad and ironic that the Leftists who supposedly despise the Rich, are only hurting the Non-Rich with this awful legislation. Middle Class folks will struggle bigtime to handle the costs of adding solar panels.

California is headed for disaster. Only the very rich and very poor will be welcome there. The Middle Class, which pays the bills, will no longer be welcome. They'll be forced to leave the state. California will eventually resemble Communist messes like Venezuela, Cuba, and so on. It's very sad.


liberalism is a failed ideology, never works, never will. What's amazing is that the liberal mind is unable to comprehend that simple truth.

This type of awful legislation only hurts the folks the Left claims they're fighting for. The very rich can easily afford the added costs of solar panels. It's the Middle Class that won't be able to afford it. The Communists are killing the California Golden Goose.
 
As you know, the Social Security System is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Over the next five years, the Social Security trust fund could encounter deficits of up to $111 billion, and in the decades ahead its unfunded obligations could run well into the trillions.

That was Reagan, 35+ years ago.
Fair enough. Doesn't change the fact that it's a wealth re-distribution program that's run inefficiently and is the one of the main drivers of our national debt.

NOPE, that's false.

SS is operationally VERY efficient with overhead at just 0.7% compared to about 8-10% if you look at any private insurance system.

SS trust fund balance is positive, which means public has paid more into the system than was paid out of it. And the reason why if nothing is done it will turn negative has nothing to do with inefficiency it has to do with there being more retired people that need to be covered.

that would be true if the dems in congress had not merged SS funds with the general fund under LBJ. Now, those working pay for those who are retired. There is no "fund" that was made up from our SS (FICA) deductions.

As far as budget effects it doesn't matter who merged with what. What matters is how much was paid into the program and how much was paid out.
 
WTG Communists. Wiping out the Middle Class in California. It's so sad and ironic that the Leftists who supposedly despise the Rich, are only hurting the Non-Rich with this awful legislation. Middle Class folks will struggle bigtime to handle the costs of adding solar panels.

California is headed for disaster. Only the very rich and very poor will be welcome there. The Middle Class, which pays the bills, will no longer be welcome. They'll be forced to leave the state. California will eventually resemble Communist messes like Venezuela, Cuba, and so on. It's very sad.

liberalism is a failed ideology, never works, never will. What's amazing is that the liberal mind is unable to comprehend that simple truth.

SS must be a conservative concept then :rolleyes:
 
WTG Communists. Wiping out the Middle Class in California. It's so sad and ironic that the Leftists who supposedly despise the Rich, are only hurting the Non-Rich with this awful legislation. Middle Class folks will struggle bigtime to handle the costs of adding solar panels.

California is headed for disaster. Only the very rich and very poor will be welcome there. The Middle Class, which pays the bills, will no longer be welcome. They'll be forced to leave the state. California will eventually resemble Communist messes like Venezuela, Cuba, and so on. It's very sad.

liberalism is a failed ideology, never works, never will. What's amazing is that the liberal mind is unable to comprehend that simple truth.

SS must be a conservative concept then :rolleyes:

Your latest 'Solar Panel' legislation in California only hurts Middle Class folks. The very rich can easily afford them. It's just another disastrous Communist fail out there.
 
WTG Communists. Wiping out the Middle Class in California. It's so sad and ironic that the Leftists who supposedly despise the Rich, are only hurting the Non-Rich with this awful legislation. Middle Class folks will struggle bigtime to handle the costs of adding solar panels.

California is headed for disaster. Only the very rich and very poor will be welcome there. The Middle Class, which pays the bills, will no longer be welcome. They'll be forced to leave the state. California will eventually resemble Communist messes like Venezuela, Cuba, and so on. It's very sad.

liberalism is a failed ideology, never works, never will. What's amazing is that the liberal mind is unable to comprehend that simple truth.

SS must be a conservative concept then :rolleyes:

Your latest 'Solar Panel' legislation in California only hurts Middle Class folks. The very rich can easily afford them. It's just another disastrous Communist fail out there.

Nonsense. If middle class can afford a new house in California than middle class can afford a slightly more expensive house with tiny electrical bills.
 
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Two reasons idiot:

1. It is not cheaper than fossil fuel. Not when you look at all the cost, direct and indirect. If you think it is then you are confused Moon Bat.

2. You are getting welfare payments in the form of subsidies that somebody else has to pay for.

You Moon Bats are not too bight, are you?

Asshole you still didn’t answer how come you never before cared what people spend their Republican tax-cuts. Do hookers and blow self-finance better than solar power? :rolleyes:

If it's that great a financial deal, then why does government need to use guns to force it's citizens to buy them?

1. Lets note that you are switching gears instead of directly responding to what you quoted.

2. Because it involves long term planning and greater social issues that people are usually bad at. It's the same reason why we "need to use guns to force" people to participate in (very popular) SS and Medicare programs.
Your belief that government is good at planning and solving social problems couldn't be more absurd. Government causes all the social issues that are humanly solvable. Social Security is how government prevents people from making long term plans by robbing them when they are young and turing the proceeds over to those who didn't plan for their retirement. There couldn't be a worse example of government "planning" than Social Security and Medicare.

SS and Medicare are working and popular.

Sorry that reality is not to your liking, but you are just going to have find some sane way to deal with it.
SS and Medicair are working to bankrupting this country. That's the leftwing conception of a successful government program.
 
agree, but SS is working and could continue working if the greedy assholes in congress would stop stealing the money that they forced us to put into the SS program for our entire working lives.
You're asking government to not be greedy with money? I'll refer you back to my "doomed to failure" comment. Government has no incentive to be responsible stewards of our money, hence the failure. I'd much rather give my money to someone who's livelihood depends on his/her smart decisions in investing my money for me. They have incentive to take care of my money, the government has no incentive to.

A politician's time horizon is 2 years. All he cares about is the next election. Asking these lizards to create programs that have a 40 year timeline is absolute insanity.
 
As you know, the Social Security System is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Over the next five years, the Social Security trust fund could encounter deficits of up to $111 billion, and in the decades ahead its unfunded obligations could run well into the trillions.

That was Reagan, 35+ years ago.
Fair enough. Doesn't change the fact that it's a wealth re-distribution program that's run inefficiently and is the one of the main drivers of our national debt.

NOPE, that's false.

SS is operationally VERY efficient with overhead at just 0.7% compared to about 8-10% if you look at any private insurance system.

SS trust fund balance is positive, which means public has paid more into the system than was paid out of it. And the reason why if nothing is done it will turn negative has nothing to do with inefficiency it has to do with there being more retired people that need to be covered.
SS is "efficient" only at looting people of their savings.
 
WTG Communists. Wiping out the Middle Class in California. It's so sad and ironic that the Leftists who supposedly despise the Rich, are only hurting the Non-Rich with this awful legislation. Middle Class folks will struggle bigtime to handle the costs of adding solar panels.

California is headed for disaster. Only the very rich and very poor will be welcome there. The Middle Class, which pays the bills, will no longer be welcome. They'll be forced to leave the state. California will eventually resemble Communist messes like Venezuela, Cuba, and so on. It's very sad.

liberalism is a failed ideology, never works, never will. What's amazing is that the liberal mind is unable to comprehend that simple truth.

SS must be a conservative concept then :rolleyes:

Your latest 'Solar Panel' legislation in California only hurts Middle Class folks. The very rich can easily afford them. It's just another disastrous Communist fail out there.

Nonsense. If middle class can afford a new house in California than middle class can afford a slightly more expensive house with tiny electrical bills.
It's so charming the way you leftards are so eager to impose new burders on millions of people who are already struggling to pay their bills. That's the left's conception of "compassion."
 
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Asshole you still didn’t answer how come you never before cared what people spend their Republican tax-cuts. Do hookers and blow self-finance better than solar power? :rolleyes:

If it's that great a financial deal, then why does government need to use guns to force it's citizens to buy them?

1. Lets note that you are switching gears instead of directly responding to what you quoted.

2. Because it involves long term planning and greater social issues that people are usually bad at. It's the same reason why we "need to use guns to force" people to participate in (very popular) SS and Medicare programs.
Your belief that government is good at planning and solving social problems couldn't be more absurd. Government causes all the social issues that are humanly solvable. Social Security is how government prevents people from making long term plans by robbing them when they are young and turing the proceeds over to those who didn't plan for their retirement. There couldn't be a worse example of government "planning" than Social Security and Medicare.

SS and Medicare are working and popular.

Sorry that reality is not to your liking, but you are just going to have find some sane way to deal with it.
SS and Medicair are working to bankrupting this country. That's the leftwing conception of a successful government program.


LBJ and FDR were idiots. Typical Democrats that fucked this country to get welfare queen votes.
 
WTG Communists. Wiping out the Middle Class in California. It's so sad and ironic that the Leftists who supposedly despise the Rich, are only hurting the Non-Rich with this awful legislation. Middle Class folks will struggle bigtime to handle the costs of adding solar panels.

California is headed for disaster. Only the very rich and very poor will be welcome there. The Middle Class, which pays the bills, will no longer be welcome. They'll be forced to leave the state. California will eventually resemble Communist messes like Venezuela, Cuba, and so on. It's very sad.

liberalism is a failed ideology, never works, never will. What's amazing is that the liberal mind is unable to comprehend that simple truth.

SS must be a conservative concept then :rolleyes:

Your latest 'Solar Panel' legislation in California only hurts Middle Class folks. The very rich can easily afford them. It's just another disastrous Communist fail out there.

Nonsense. If middle class can afford a new house in California than middle class can afford a slightly more expensive house with tiny electrical bills.

You're obviously a delusional Useful Idiot. You only hurt Middle Class folks with this awful legislation.
 
WTG Communists. Wiping out the Middle Class in California. It's so sad and ironic that the Leftists who supposedly despise the Rich, are only hurting the Non-Rich with this awful legislation. Middle Class folks will struggle bigtime to handle the costs of adding solar panels.

California is headed for disaster. Only the very rich and very poor will be welcome there. The Middle Class, which pays the bills, will no longer be welcome. They'll be forced to leave the state. California will eventually resemble Communist messes like Venezuela, Cuba, and so on. It's very sad.

liberalism is a failed ideology, never works, never will. What's amazing is that the liberal mind is unable to comprehend that simple truth.

SS must be a conservative concept then :rolleyes:

Your latest 'Solar Panel' legislation in California only hurts Middle Class folks. The very rich can easily afford them. It's just another disastrous Communist fail out there.

Nonsense. If middle class can afford a new house in California than middle class can afford a slightly more expensive house with tiny electrical bills.

You're obviously a delusional Useful Idiot. You only hurt Middle Class folks with this awful legislation.

Whatever you say snowflake....but Middle Class folks don't think so.
 
liberalism is a failed ideology, never works, never will. What's amazing is that the liberal mind is unable to comprehend that simple truth.

SS must be a conservative concept then :rolleyes:

Your latest 'Solar Panel' legislation in California only hurts Middle Class folks. The very rich can easily afford them. It's just another disastrous Communist fail out there.

Nonsense. If middle class can afford a new house in California than middle class can afford a slightly more expensive house with tiny electrical bills.

You're obviously a delusional Useful Idiot. You only hurt Middle Class folks with this awful legislation.

Middle Class folks don't think so.

There won't be many Middle Class folks left in California, if you Communists stay in power. California will made up of only the very rich and the very poor. I recommend Californians dump the Communists... Before it's too late.
 
SS must be a conservative concept then :rolleyes:

Your latest 'Solar Panel' legislation in California only hurts Middle Class folks. The very rich can easily afford them. It's just another disastrous Communist fail out there.

Nonsense. If middle class can afford a new house in California than middle class can afford a slightly more expensive house with tiny electrical bills.

You're obviously a delusional Useful Idiot. You only hurt Middle Class folks with this awful legislation.

Middle Class folks don't think so.

There won't be many Middle Class folks left in California, if you Communists stay in power. California will made up of only the very rich and the very poor. I recommend Californians dump the Communists... Before it's too late.

Lol you are insane - I'm neither in California, nor a communist.
 
As you know, the Social Security System is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Over the next five years, the Social Security trust fund could encounter deficits of up to $111 billion, and in the decades ahead its unfunded obligations could run well into the trillions.

That was Reagan, 35+ years ago.
Fair enough. Doesn't change the fact that it's a wealth re-distribution program that's run inefficiently and is the one of the main drivers of our national debt.

NOPE, that's false.

SS is operationally VERY efficient with overhead at just 0.7% compared to about 8-10% if you look at any private insurance system.

SS trust fund balance is positive, which means public has paid more into the system than was paid out of it. And the reason why if nothing is done it will turn negative has nothing to do with inefficiency it has to do with there being more retired people that need to be covered.


that would be true if the dems in congress had not merged SS funds with the general fund under LBJ. Now, those working pay for those who are retired. There is no "fund" that was made up from our SS (FICA) deductions.

Now, those working pay for those who are retired.

It was always designed that way.
It wasn't designed to support people for 20+ years in retirement.
 
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