Compared to capitalism, what has socialism and communism ever produced or manufactured?

[Lesh]

Anything less than a living wage is a government subsidy for the business.

You have been proven wrong and ignorant on this in the past.

Any wage is a living wage.

Any wage is a living wage?

How about $1/hr. That's "any wage". How ya gonna do on $40 bucks a week moron...

By Living within your means you uneducated dumbass

Hard to do when you are paid a wage you can’t live on, get sick or injured or the jobs in your community have dried up

Lol
It’s called personal responsibility, to get out of that situation.

Ohh Ok. Mr. Rancher. So what happens if we have a 10 year drought and the ranch goes under?

Oh well. Just "get out of the situation"?

Not so easy is it...

 

[Rustic]

If you had any understanding of ranching/farm life, A lot of the time as a young kid you would start out working for your neighbors stacking bales shoveling grain and the like. Doing that for your own family... that’s just called chores.

Never said anything about not paying overtime, but a 40 hour work week is for pussies.

Safety should be called common sense, politically correct people lead to get in the way of progress.

Like I said it should be voluntary, Social Security should not be forced on anybody. Like I said I’d gladly give up everything I paid in up to this point just to get out of paying for in the future. Because I will not benefit from it whatsoever.

So fuck you… LOL

We don't all live on a ranch moron. And working for dad is nothing like sending your kid out to work for some asshole in a sweatshop

The40 hour work week IS about over time, stupid.I've worked plenty of 60,80, 90 hour weeks...and gotten PAID for that well because of the 40 hour work week (and unions)

Social Security ONLY works by being a payroll deduction. Take that out and you fuck the program...which IS the goal of Republicans and has been for 100 years.

I won't even ask why you "won't get anything out because I know it will be stupid. If you paid payroll taxes you GET social security

You never get paid as a kid on the your own family ranch dumbass it’s called chores it’s to be expected. What I said is you would go work for your neighbors, you fucking moron - as a kid stacking bales, shoveling grain and the like. That is how you got paid as a kid. Obviously you have no understanding.

Like I said I never said anything about not getting paid for overtime, but the fact remains a 40 hour work week is for pussies. And who the fuck needs a union to tell someone how to live their life?

Social Security is a fraud… Plain and simple

 

[deanrd]

Putin is a communist KGB. And Republicans think Putin would be a great leader. That makes Republicans communist.

Lol
What do you think Castro was? That just the result of socialism...

Castro was a communist. Who doesn’t know that?
Cuba was taken care of by Putin‘s Russia.

 

[Rustic]

Christie is a politically correct moron

Christie is no liberal. He's not even a never Trumper

Lol
Christie is a politically correct moron, you know a career politician

There's NOTHING "politically correct" about Christie.

He was MY Governor for far too long andI know more about him than I care to

The fat fuck is this politically correct as they get, because he is a career politician.
They all fail in real life....

 

[Lesh]

You never get paid as a kid on the your own family ranch dumbass it’s called chores it’s to be expected. What I said is you would go work for your neighbors, you fucking moron - as a kid stacking bales, shoveling grain and the like. That is how you got paid as a kid. Obviously you have no understanding.

Again , that's a far cry from sending your kid out to work in a sweatshop.

I know all about it. My summers from 10-17 were spent working farms

 

[Rustic]

You have been proven wrong and ignorant on this in the past.

Any wage is a living wage.

Any wage is a living wage?

How about $1/hr. That's "any wage". How ya gonna do on $40 bucks a week moron...

By Living within your means you uneducated dumbass

Hard to do when you are paid a wage you can’t live on, get sick or injured or the jobs in your community have dried up

Lol
It’s called personal responsibility, to get out of that situation.

Ohh Ok. Mr. Rancher. So what happens if we have a 10 year drought and the ranch goes under?

Oh well. Just "get out of the situation"?

Not so easy is it...

You sell out to someone that can use the land, no one’s going to bail you out.... shit happens
It happens every day out here in western South Dakota

 

[Rustic]

Putin is a communist KGB. And Republicans think Putin would be a great leader. That makes Republicans communist.

Lol
What do you think Castro was? That just the result of socialism...

Castro was a communist. Who doesn’t know that?
Cuba was taken care of by Putin‘s Russia.

socialism/communism Same difference, results are all the same… Dictatorship is on its way

 

[Rustic]

You never get paid as a kid on the your own family ranch dumbass it’s called chores it’s to be expected. What I said is you would go work for your neighbors, you fucking moron - as a kid stacking bales, shoveling grain and the like. That is how you got paid as a kid. Obviously you have no understanding.

Again , that's a far cry from sending your kid out to work in a sweatshop.

I know all about it. My summers from 10-17 were spent working farms

Lol
Actually most of the people I knew that did that sort of thing worked daylight till dark seven days a week… And they did their chores for their family before and after. Ranching/farming life is not easy, It’s not supposed to be. There is no such thing as time off/vacation time on a dairy farm for sure.

 

[Crepitus]

Wrong moron.

According to the doctrine of nazism it was socialist.

Nazism is NATIONAL socialism communism is INTERNATIONAL socialism

Clinging to the lie that Nazism is somehow different than the Stalinism they follow is vital to the Communists. In fact, the governments of Hitler and Stalin were virtually identical, as will the the government that democrats impose on an enslaved America should they gain enough power.

They were quite different: read up on the subject.

But fast-forward today, Trump now thinks he's in germany 80 years ago.

You didn't bother to read what you cited, the Wiki article confirms what I said - you Stalinists are identical to Nazis.

Let's looks at Nazis with you democrat Stalinists?

Violent hatred of non-party members?

Concentration Camps?

Violent suppression of opposition ideas?

Use of Brown Shirt type thugs?

Oppression of religion?

Totalitarian?

Violent oppression of free speech?

Newspeak is an utterly useless Bolshevik hate rag. I don't bother with them or ThinkProgress.

Wow, cool post.

180° out from reality, but cool post.

Really creep, exactly which of those do not go with both Stalinism and Nazis?

Be specific.

Oh, you're just lying - MARXIST!

No son, they go fine with stalinists and Nazis, it's just that I the fit the republican party better.

 

[Crepitus]

Ask AOC, Bloomberg, and NYC how much they're going to miss the revenue from the tax cuts they were going to give Amazon. I think even they would disagree with you now.

Amazon is no Golden Goose

NYC doesn’t need them

These deals always workout bad for the taxpayer.
As Amazon builds up its distribution network, it’s hit on a trick long practiced by the likes of Walmart: using the federal government to help pay its workers. A new study by Policy Matters Ohio found that more than 700 Amazon employees receive food stamps, or more than 10 percent of the tech giant’s 6,000-strong workforce in the state. Some of those recipients may be part-time help, but the fact that they need federal aid to survive suggests that they would be happy to work more. “Why is this giant, successful company offering such limited pay and hours of work that many of its workers need help buying food?” asked Zach Schiller, research director at Policy Matters.

Amazon Is Thriving Thanks to Taxpayer Dollars

This stupid shit again?

If you don't like welfare, take action. Any "foodstamps" (you can tell the demagogues when they use terms 30 years out of date) workers get is due to federal and state programs.

Or are you one of those "free market" types who seeks a $15 an hour minimum wage?

Anything less than a living wage is a government subsidy for the business.

No doubt Brain357 fully agrees with you, Comrade.

Most thinking people will.

 

[Crepitus]

They were quite different: read up on the subject.

But fast-forward today, Trump now thinks he's in germany 80 years ago.

You didn't bother to read what you cited, the Wiki article confirms what I said - you Stalinists are identical to Nazis.

Let's looks at Nazis with you democrat Stalinists?

Violent hatred of non-party members?

Concentration Camps?

Violent suppression of opposition ideas?

Use of Brown Shirt type thugs?

Oppression of religion?

Totalitarian?

Violent oppression of free speech?

Newspeak is an utterly useless Bolshevik hate rag. I don't bother with them or ThinkProgress.

Wow, cool post.

180° out from reality, but cool post.

Really creep, exactly which of those do not go with both Stalinism and Nazis?

Be specific.

Oh, you're just lying - MARXIST!

You are as SPECIFICALLY out of your mid as the Coast Guard terrorist.

Friend of yours?

I see you could not answer him.

Because you know he is right you fucking fool

I think that was a pretty good answer.

 

[Lesh]

You sell out to someone that can use the land,

In the middle of a ten year drought?

Who ya gonna sell to?

My POINT...is that ys just can't "get a better situation all that easy.

Ask an actual rancher what it would be like to have his ranch go poof...

It would be a disaster

 

[Crepitus]

Ask AOC, Bloomberg, and NYC how much they're going to miss the revenue from the tax cuts they were going to give Amazon. I think even they would disagree with you now.

Amazon is no Golden Goose

NYC doesn’t need them

These deals always workout bad for the taxpayer.
As Amazon builds up its distribution network, it’s hit on a trick long practiced by the likes of Walmart: using the federal government to help pay its workers. A new study by Policy Matters Ohio found that more than 700 Amazon employees receive food stamps, or more than 10 percent of the tech giant’s 6,000-strong workforce in the state. Some of those recipients may be part-time help, but the fact that they need federal aid to survive suggests that they would be happy to work more. “Why is this giant, successful company offering such limited pay and hours of work that many of its workers need help buying food?” asked Zach Schiller, research director at Policy Matters.

Amazon Is Thriving Thanks to Taxpayer Dollars

This stupid shit again?

If you don't like welfare, take action. Any "foodstamps" (you can tell the demagogues when they use terms 30 years out of date) workers get is due to federal and state programs.

Or are you one of those "free market" types who seeks a $15 an hour minimum wage?

Anything less than a living wage is a government subsidy for the business.

You have been proven wrong and ignorant on this in the past.

Any wage is a living wage.

Wrong. If the government has to help your employees survive your company is subsidized. This needs to stop. Any company that cannot pay their workers a living wage and still make a profit needs to be allowed to fail. Stronger companies will take over.

 

[Crepitus]

Wrong moron.

According to the doctrine of nazism it was socialist.

Nazism is NATIONAL socialism communism is INTERNATIONAL socialism

Clinging to the lie that Nazism is somehow different than the Stalinism they follow is vital to the Communists. In fact, the governments of Hitler and Stalin were virtually identical, as will the the government that democrats impose on an enslaved America should they gain enough power.

They were quite different: read up on the subject.

But fast-forward today, Trump now thinks he's in germany 80 years ago.

You didn't bother to read what you cited, the Wiki article confirms what I said - you Stalinists are identical to Nazis.

Let's looks at Nazis with you democrat Stalinists?

Violent hatred of non-party members?

Concentration Camps?

Violent suppression of opposition ideas?

Use of Brown Shirt type thugs?

Oppression of religion?

Totalitarian?

Violent oppression of free speech?

Newspeak is an utterly useless Bolshevik hate rag. I don't bother with them or ThinkProgress.

Wow, cool post.

180° out from reality, but cool post.

Absolutely correct and accurate.

Thank you, I do my best

 

[Rustic]

You sell out to someone that can use the land,

In the middle of a ten year drought?

Who ya gonna sell to?

My POINT...is that ys just can't "get a better situation all that easy.

Ask an actual rancher what it would be like to have his ranch go poof...

It would be a disaster

Like I said shit happens... There are no guarantees and there should not be

 

[Rustic]

Amazon is no Golden Goose

NYC doesn’t need them

These deals always workout bad for the taxpayer.
As Amazon builds up its distribution network, it’s hit on a trick long practiced by the likes of Walmart: using the federal government to help pay its workers. A new study by Policy Matters Ohio found that more than 700 Amazon employees receive food stamps, or more than 10 percent of the tech giant’s 6,000-strong workforce in the state. Some of those recipients may be part-time help, but the fact that they need federal aid to survive suggests that they would be happy to work more. “Why is this giant, successful company offering such limited pay and hours of work that many of its workers need help buying food?” asked Zach Schiller, research director at Policy Matters.

Amazon Is Thriving Thanks to Taxpayer Dollars

This stupid shit again?

If you don't like welfare, take action. Any "foodstamps" (you can tell the demagogues when they use terms 30 years out of date) workers get is due to federal and state programs.

Or are you one of those "free market" types who seeks a $15 an hour minimum wage?

Anything less than a living wage is a government subsidy for the business.

You have been proven wrong and ignorant on this in the past.

Any wage is a living wage.

Wrong. If the government has to help your employees survive your company is subsidized. This needs to stop. Any company that cannot pay their workers a living wage and still make a profit needs to be allowed to fail. Stronger companies will take over.

No one should be expecting a career out of stocking shelves and sweeping floors… End of story

 

[Wry Catcher]

Stalinists? Nazis?

You're talking about DICTATORS

We can all agree that distators suck. Odd that you support Trump. He LOVES dictators and attacks leaders of Democratic governments

As far as Socialism

Socialism is the government ownership of the means of production.

Clearly that is not our system

Oh...some say that socialism is the ownership "or regulation" of the means of production.

Well we all agree that regulation is required. Doctors being licensed for instance is regulation. That makes it socialism. Food being manufactured in a safe manner is regulation. Clearly necessary and according to that definition...that is socialism

So what we're really saying is NOT that "SOCIALISM" is inherently bad but rather...how much socialism is required to mitigate the excesses of capitalism.

Doesn't sound nearly as scary in that more accurate context...does it.

Communism and socialism is dictatorship by definition

Marx designed it that way.

Capitalism has no such excesses to regulate.

You couldn't be more wrong. Capitalism is regulated or there would be monopolies, no competition and cartels like OPEC would abound.

Insider trading is a felony, and yet it abounds.

Socialism is an economic system, communism has never existed in the sense that the proletariat benefited; in fact Social Darwinism existed in both Capitalism and Communism unfettered, and has only been beaten back by activists, community organizers and the liberal movement first in the Republican Party, and since Truman, in the Democratic Party..

Insider trading is not dishonest or a crime against others it is simply oro protectionist laws written to allow it to continue to happen.

It is no surprise that a socialist fucktard would support it as socialism is a dictatorial government system as opposed to an economic system .

"Insider trading is not dishonest"? It's a felony! The rest of that paragraph makes no sense.

P2 Define Socialism.

You equate it with despots and totalitarian states. (s)ocialism is an idiom for government jobs and not accurate since it confuses too many boneheads that government jobs despotic.

It's not surprising that a "fucktard" would be so arrogant and ignorant that Socialism or socialism must always describe an autocratic form of governance.

We were in fact a democratic republic on the verge of becoming a fully autocratic one until We the People restored the separation of power in Nov. 2018.

Of course we are still in jeopardy, since the Executive has demeaned the DOJ, planted an AG to protect him, attacked the Mueller Investigation repeatedly, and packed the Supreme Court all to obstruct justice and protect himself for his wrong doings.

 

[Lesh]

Like I said shit happens

"Shit happens" is not an economic plan...small scale or large

 

[Rustic]

Like I said shit happens

"Shit happens" is not an economic plan...small scale or large

Shit happens when responsibilities are overlooked… Something the collective will never understand

 

[Lesh]

Shit happens when responsibilities are overlooked… Something the collective will never understand

So a ten year drought is a "responsibility overlooked"?

Who knew...