Compared to capitalism, what has socialism and communism ever produced or manufactured?

[JGalt]

Venezuela has little to do with socialism.

It is a massively corrupt petro state...like Russia

What?? Venezuela has two political parties: The Communist Party of Venezuela which is Marxist/Leninist, and the Republican Bicentennial Vanguard, which is Chavinist socialist.

A full list of countries where socialism has been tried and failed or is failing includes Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Albania, Angola, Belarus, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia, Congo, Czechoslovakia, Ethiopia, East Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, USSR, Ukraine, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Nicaragua, Bangladesh, Guyana, Nepal, the Portuguese Republic, Sri Lanka, Tanzania, Algeria, Burma, Cape Verde, Egypt, Grenada, Iraq, Libya, Madagascar, Seychelles, Sudan, Syria, Barbados, Bolivia, Ecuador, El Salvador, Greece, Mauritius, Mozambique, Mexico, Namibia, the Grenadines, Suriname, Uruguay, and Venezuela.

Not to mention other European countries where socialism is not doing all that well, like France, the UK, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, and so on.

 

[Lesh]

I don't give two shits if they have a TEA Party...they are a massively corrupt petrostate...

 

[Leo123]

Where has socialism or communism ever been tried with the will of the people? A dictatorship can call it's self anything it wants but that does not make the country what they claim.

Well every time it's 'tried' it fails and millions die. Now neo-Marxists opine...."If we just did it a different way".......Ignorant assholes.

 

[JGalt]

I don't give two shits if they have a TEA Party...they are a massively corrupt petrostate...

And what might be the root of that "massive corruption"? They were a very successful petrostate before the socialists Chavez and Maduro, you know.

You do know that, right?

Right??


Right???

 

[Lesh]

Madura is So fucking corrupt and gas prices crashed

Boom

 

[danielpalos]

Venezuela has little to do with socialism.

It is a massively corrupt petro state...like Russia

What?? Venezuela has two political parties: The Communist Party of Venezuela which is Marxist/Leninist, and the Republican Bicentennial Vanguard, which is Chavinist socialist.

A full list of countries where socialism has been tried and failed or is failing includes Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Albania, Angola, Belarus, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia, Congo, Czechoslovakia, Ethiopia, East Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, USSR, Ukraine, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Nicaragua, Bangladesh, Guyana, Nepal, the Portuguese Republic, Sri Lanka, Tanzania, Algeria, Burma, Cape Verde, Egypt, Grenada, Iraq, Libya, Madagascar, Seychelles, Sudan, Syria, Barbados, Bolivia, Ecuador, El Salvador, Greece, Mauritius, Mozambique, Mexico, Namibia, the Grenadines, Suriname, Uruguay, and Venezuela.

Not to mention other European countries where socialism is not doing all that well, like France, the UK, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, and so on.

Capitalism was tried and failed in all of those countries, first.

 

[danielpalos]

I don't give two shits if they have a TEA Party...they are a massively corrupt petrostate...

And what might be the root of that "massive corruption"? They were a very successful petrostate before the socialists Chavez and Maduro, you know.

You do know that, right?

Right??


Right???

Lousy right wing management.

FDR knew our welfare clause is General.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

They made it into orbit before we did, and China plans on having a moon base before long, far ahead of us.

Next stupid question.

Yet, they stole their space and missile technology from a capitalist country, Germany. Or from us, as in the case of China.

But I will give them credit for the AK-47. That is one magnificent piece of machinery.

According to most Trumbots, Nazi Germany was socialist.

BTW - The U.S. missile and space programs were initially developed by German scientists as well.

Wrong moron.

According to the doctrine of nazism it was socialist.

Nazism is NATIONAL socialism communism is INTERNATIONAL socialism

The Nazis we're socialists just like the DPRK is democratic.

Which is to say "not at all".

/——/ Wrong again.
Nazi (nätˈsē, nătˈ-)

• n.
  A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.
• n.
  An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.
• adj.
  Of, relating to, controlled by, or typical of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

 

[Lesh]

Saudi Arabia is every bit as "socialist" as Venezuela...and they are also a petro state and corrupt...but they're smart enough to realize you can't steal ALL the fucking money

It's the MASSIVE corruption

 

[JGalt]

Venezuela has little to do with socialism.

It is a massively corrupt petro state...like Russia

What?? Venezuela has two political parties: The Communist Party of Venezuela which is Marxist/Leninist, and the Republican Bicentennial Vanguard, which is Chavinist socialist.

A full list of countries where socialism has been tried and failed or is failing includes Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Albania, Angola, Belarus, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia, Congo, Czechoslovakia, Ethiopia, East Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, USSR, Ukraine, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Nicaragua, Bangladesh, Guyana, Nepal, the Portuguese Republic, Sri Lanka, Tanzania, Algeria, Burma, Cape Verde, Egypt, Grenada, Iraq, Libya, Madagascar, Seychelles, Sudan, Syria, Barbados, Bolivia, Ecuador, El Salvador, Greece, Mauritius, Mozambique, Mexico, Namibia, the Grenadines, Suriname, Uruguay, and Venezuela.

Not to mention other European countries where socialism is not doing all that well, like France, the UK, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, and so on.

Capitalism was tried and failed in all of those countries, first.

Your information is wrong. The majority of those countries were socialist at one time, but have reverted to a more capitalist government. Most of them turned to socialism by way of violence or revolution. Of course Cuba was "capitalist" at one time but like many of those countries that were once socialist, it hasn't reverted.

 

[Lesh]

What you ignore is that in most cases (the countries forced into communism following WWII being the exception) where communism (not socialism) arose...it was because of the FAILURE of unregulated capitalism or systems very like those (Russia)

People didn't just say "Hey let's try this".

Life sucked. Look up serfdom in Russia.

That's not a defense in the least...it's an explanation

 

[Lesh]

When the rich get TOO greedy...when INCOME INEQUALITY becomes too large...the pitchforks and torches come out and people do stupid shit like turn to communism

 

[danielpalos]

Venezuela has little to do with socialism.

It is a massively corrupt petro state...like Russia

What?? Venezuela has two political parties: The Communist Party of Venezuela which is Marxist/Leninist, and the Republican Bicentennial Vanguard, which is Chavinist socialist.

A full list of countries where socialism has been tried and failed or is failing includes Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Albania, Angola, Belarus, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia, Congo, Czechoslovakia, Ethiopia, East Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, USSR, Ukraine, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Nicaragua, Bangladesh, Guyana, Nepal, the Portuguese Republic, Sri Lanka, Tanzania, Algeria, Burma, Cape Verde, Egypt, Grenada, Iraq, Libya, Madagascar, Seychelles, Sudan, Syria, Barbados, Bolivia, Ecuador, El Salvador, Greece, Mauritius, Mozambique, Mexico, Namibia, the Grenadines, Suriname, Uruguay, and Venezuela.

Not to mention other European countries where socialism is not doing all that well, like France, the UK, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, and so on.

Capitalism was tried and failed in all of those countries, first.

Your information is wrong. The majority of those countries were socialist at one time, but have reverted to a more capitalist government. Most of them turned to socialism by way of violence or revolution. Of course Cuba was "capitalist" at one time but like many of those countries that were once socialist, it hasn't reverted.

You are quibbling about degrees of socialism not true socialism versus true capitalism.

 

[Leo123]

Capitalism was tried and failed in all of those countries, first.

Europe was mainly ruled by Monarchies and dictators. Russia had a monarchy until Marxist/Communism which was a dismal failure.

 

[Lesh]

Europe was mainly ruled by Monarchies and dictators. Russia had a monarchy until Marxist/Communism which was a dismal failure.

And the results of those monarchies was no different than the results of unregulated capitalism

Massive income inequality.

Just like Russia in the early 20th Century and Venezuela now

Why doesn't Saudi Arabia fall? They do the tightrope walk of corruption and socialism. They're smart enough to not steal ALL the figgin wealth

 

[dudmuck]

Yet, they stole their space and missile technology from a capitalist country, Germany. Or from us, as in the case of China.

But I will give them credit for the AK-47. That is one magnificent piece of machinery.

According to most Trumbots, Nazi Germany was socialist.

BTW - The U.S. missile and space programs were initially developed by German scientists as well.

Wrong moron.

According to the doctrine of nazism it was socialist.

Nazism is NATIONAL socialism communism is INTERNATIONAL socialism

Clinging to the lie that Nazism is somehow different than the Stalinism they follow is vital to the Communists. In fact, the governments of Hitler and Stalin were virtually identical, as will the the government that democrats impose on an enslaved America should they gain enough power.

They were quite different: read up on the subject.

But fast-forward today, Trump now thinks he's in germany 80 years ago.

You didn't bother to read what you cited, the Wiki article confirms what I said - you Stalinists are identical to Nazis.

Let's looks at Nazis with you democrat Stalinists?

Violent hatred of non-party members?

Concentration Camps?

Violent suppression of opposition ideas?

Use of Brown Shirt type thugs?

Oppression of religion?

Totalitarian?

Violent oppression of free speech?

Newspeak is an utterly useless Bolshevik hate rag. I don't bother with them or ThinkProgress.

by that standard, we have concentration camps in USA now also.

 

[JGalt]

What you ignore is that in most cases (the countries forced into communism following WWII being the exception) where communism (not socialism) arose...it was because of the FAILURE of unregulated capitalism or systems very like those (Russia)

People didn't just say "Hey let's try this".

Life sucked. Look up serfdom in Russia.

That's not a defense in the least...it's an explanation

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

 

[danielpalos]

What you ignore is that in most cases (the countries forced into communism following WWII being the exception) where communism (not socialism) arose...it was because of the FAILURE of unregulated capitalism or systems very like those (Russia)

People didn't just say "Hey let's try this".

Life sucked. Look up serfdom in Russia.

That's not a defense in the least...it's an explanation

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

most of that happened during revolution or internal crises of Government.

how many people did we lose during our Civil War, under our form of Capitalism?

 

[JGalt]

According to most Trumbots, Nazi Germany was socialist.

BTW - The U.S. missile and space programs were initially developed by German scientists as well.

Wrong moron.

According to the doctrine of nazism it was socialist.

Nazism is NATIONAL socialism communism is INTERNATIONAL socialism

Clinging to the lie that Nazism is somehow different than the Stalinism they follow is vital to the Communists. In fact, the governments of Hitler and Stalin were virtually identical, as will the the government that democrats impose on an enslaved America should they gain enough power.

They were quite different: read up on the subject.

But fast-forward today, Trump now thinks he's in germany 80 years ago.

You didn't bother to read what you cited, the Wiki article confirms what I said - you Stalinists are identical to Nazis.

Let's looks at Nazis with you democrat Stalinists?

Violent hatred of non-party members?

Concentration Camps?

Violent suppression of opposition ideas?

Use of Brown Shirt type thugs?

Oppression of religion?

Totalitarian?

Violent oppression of free speech?

Newspeak is an utterly useless Bolshevik hate rag. I don't bother with them or ThinkProgress.

by that standard, we have concentration camps in USA now also.

Major failage, hillbilly. You somehow managed to leave out Presidents Adams, Polk, Lincoln, Cleveland, Wilson, FDR, JFK, and Nixon, all of whom kept the press on a short leash.

Your Russian-style Politburo propaganda bullshit is exactly what it is: Russian-style Politburo propaganda bullshit.

 

[JGalt]

What you ignore is that in most cases (the countries forced into communism following WWII being the exception) where communism (not socialism) arose...it was because of the FAILURE of unregulated capitalism or systems very like those (Russia)

People didn't just say "Hey let's try this".

Life sucked. Look up serfdom in Russia.

That's not a defense in the least...it's an explanation

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

most of that happened during revolution or internal crises of Government.

how many people did we lose during our Civil War, under our form of Capitalism?

Economic ideologies had nothing to do with he Civil War. That was all about slavery, remember? And no socialist government came out of the Civil War, nor was one deposed.