Compared to capitalism, what has socialism and communism ever produced or manufactured?

[JWBooth]

Compared to capitalism, what has socialism and communism ever produced or manufactured?

Death, privation, oppression, ignorance, pestilence...

Uh, Victorian England was capitalist.

Dickens wrote about it extensively.

Not a wonderful place unless you were born to wealth

Compared to capitalism, what has socialism and communism ever produced or manufactured?

Death, privation, oppression, ignorance, pestilence...

Uh, Victorian England was capitalist.

English cities were a horror by modern standards. In the days of Dickens people flooded the cities for better lives. It was an improvement over rural Georgian England.

 

[Rustic]

Shit happens when responsibilities are overlooked… Something the collective will never understand

So a ten year drought is a "responsibility overlooked"?

Who knew...

Lol
Droughts are not new things by any means, they been overcome countless times

 

[Lesh]

Shit happens when responsibilities are overlooked… Something the collective will never understand

So a ten year drought is a "responsibility overlooked"?

Who knew...

Lol
Droughts are not new things by any means, they been overcome countless times

My POINT...is that your claim that if your economic situation isn't good...that you can just "do something else" is bullshit.

That rancher who's farm went under because of that 10 year drought would certainly know that. What's he gonna do. Get a job on Wall Street?

And that ignores the fact that these things don't happen in isolation. The drought that took his ranch took all his neighbors as well and now he has to compete with them for whatever scraps they can find.

In that context things look a little different...don't they

 

[Pogo]

This mindless thread continues to float near the top of my "watched threads" just because I posted in it.

It still gives me an enormous megachuckle that the OP lists "capitalism, socialism and communism" as if they're three different mutually-exclusive things.

Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public....

 

[Soupnazi630]

Stalinists? Nazis?

You're talking about DICTATORS

We can all agree that distators suck. Odd that you support Trump. He LOVES dictators and attacks leaders of Democratic governments

As far as Socialism

Socialism is the government ownership of the means of production.

Clearly that is not our system

Oh...some say that socialism is the ownership "or regulation" of the means of production.

Well we all agree that regulation is required. Doctors being licensed for instance is regulation. That makes it socialism. Food being manufactured in a safe manner is regulation. Clearly necessary and according to that definition...that is socialism

So what we're really saying is NOT that "SOCIALISM" is inherently bad but rather...how much socialism is required to mitigate the excesses of capitalism.

Doesn't sound nearly as scary in that more accurate context...does it.

Communism and socialism is dictatorship by definition

Marx designed it that way.

Capitalism has no such excesses to regulate.

You couldn't be more wrong. Capitalism is regulated or there would be monopolies, no competition and cartels like OPEC would abound.

Insider trading is a felony, and yet it abounds.

Socialism is an economic system, communism has never existed in the sense that the proletariat benefited; in fact Social Darwinism existed in both Capitalism and Communism unfettered, and has only been beaten back by activists, community organizers and the liberal movement first in the Republican Party, and since Truman, in the Democratic Party..

No retard. I know you are good at busting heads and taking people's property, but you know not one fucking thing about economics. Monopolies (with the exception of natural monopoly) cannot exist without government support for them.

"No retard"?

I've never busted a head or stolen anyone's property. So you lie when you make such a claim, and have no evidence to do so. Once again, take The DICK Cheney's advice.

Stalinists? Nazis?

You're talking about DICTATORS

We can all agree that distators suck. Odd that you support Trump. He LOVES dictators and attacks leaders of Democratic governments

As far as Socialism

Socialism is the government ownership of the means of production.

Clearly that is not our system

Oh...some say that socialism is the ownership "or regulation" of the means of production.

Well we all agree that regulation is required. Doctors being licensed for instance is regulation. That makes it socialism. Food being manufactured in a safe manner is regulation. Clearly necessary and according to that definition...that is socialism

So what we're really saying is NOT that "SOCIALISM" is inherently bad but rather...how much socialism is required to mitigate the excesses of capitalism.

Doesn't sound nearly as scary in that more accurate context...does it.

Communism and socialism is dictatorship by definition

Marx designed it that way.

Capitalism has no such excesses to regulate.

You couldn't be more wrong. Capitalism is regulated or there would be monopolies, no competition and cartels like OPEC would abound.

Insider trading is a felony, and yet it abounds.

Socialism is an economic system, communism has never existed in the sense that the proletariat benefited; in fact Social Darwinism existed in both Capitalism and Communism unfettered, and has only been beaten back by activists, community organizers and the liberal movement first in the Republican Party, and since Truman, in the Democratic Party..

OPEC is an organization of governments not private companies.

Monopolies do not exist without government interference and protection

Socialism is not an economic system you fucking fool it is government force.

OPEC IS A CARTEL. Read what I wrote, not what you wanted other readers to believe.

Monopolies do not exist as stated, because of regulators. However in the real world, when was the last gas war in America? (by gas war I mean price wars)

Define Socialism vis a vis socialism. You argue the former, I use it as the latter.

It is a cartel of governments which is what is required to have a monopoly

 

[Soupnazi630]

You didn't bother to read what you cited, the Wiki article confirms what I said - you Stalinists are identical to Nazis.

Let's looks at Nazis with you democrat Stalinists?

Violent hatred of non-party members?

Concentration Camps?

Violent suppression of opposition ideas?

Use of Brown Shirt type thugs?

Oppression of religion?

Totalitarian?

Violent oppression of free speech?

Newspeak is an utterly useless Bolshevik hate rag. I don't bother with them or ThinkProgress.

Wow, cool post.

180° out from reality, but cool post.

Really creep, exactly which of those do not go with both Stalinism and Nazis?

Be specific.

Oh, you're just lying - MARXIST!

You are as SPECIFICALLY out of your mid as the Coast Guard terrorist.

Friend of yours?

I see you could not answer him.

Because you know he is right you fucking fool

I think that was a pretty good answer.

It was not an answer AT ALL because you are wrong and cannot present an intelligent argument

 

[Soupnazi630]

Stalinists? Nazis?

You're talking about DICTATORS

We can all agree that distators suck. Odd that you support Trump. He LOVES dictators and attacks leaders of Democratic governments

As far as Socialism

Socialism is the government ownership of the means of production.

Clearly that is not our system

Oh...some say that socialism is the ownership "or regulation" of the means of production.

Well we all agree that regulation is required. Doctors being licensed for instance is regulation. That makes it socialism. Food being manufactured in a safe manner is regulation. Clearly necessary and according to that definition...that is socialism

So what we're really saying is NOT that "SOCIALISM" is inherently bad but rather...how much socialism is required to mitigate the excesses of capitalism.

Doesn't sound nearly as scary in that more accurate context...does it.

Communism and socialism is dictatorship by definition

Marx designed it that way.

Capitalism has no such excesses to regulate.

You couldn't be more wrong. Capitalism is regulated or there would be monopolies, no competition and cartels like OPEC would abound.

Insider trading is a felony, and yet it abounds.

Socialism is an economic system, communism has never existed in the sense that the proletariat benefited; in fact Social Darwinism existed in both Capitalism and Communism unfettered, and has only been beaten back by activists, community organizers and the liberal movement first in the Republican Party, and since Truman, in the Democratic Party..

Insider trading is not dishonest or a crime against others it is simply oro protectionist laws written to allow it to continue to happen.

It is no surprise that a socialist fucktard would support it as socialism is a dictatorial government system as opposed to an economic system .

"Insider trading is not dishonest"? It's a felony! The rest of that paragraph makes no sense.

P2 Define Socialism.

You equate it with despots and totalitarian states. (s)ocialism is an idiom for government jobs and not accurate since it confuses too many boneheads that government jobs despotic.

It's not surprising that a "fucktard" would be so arrogant and ignorant that Socialism or socialism must always describe an autocratic form of governance.

We were in fact a democratic republic on the verge of becoming a fully autocratic one until We the People restored the separation of power in Nov. 2018.

Of course we are still in jeopardy, since the Executive has demeaned the DOJ, planted an AG to protect him, attacked the Mueller Investigation repeatedly, and packed the Supreme Court all to obstruct justice and protect himself for his wrong doings.

It makes perfectly good sense.

Just because someone made something a crime does not mean it is dishonest.

Socialism by definition is an autocratic form of government you are simply not an educated or intelligent person who is capable of grasping that fact.

 

[JGalt]

You should gripe more because we had to start piggy-backing on Russian and Chinese missiles, after NASA was shut down.

Our Space Program used to dominate ...bar none

But we sold out to Supply Side Economics and traded off for tax cuts for billionaires

Ask AOC, Bloomberg, and NYC how much they're going to miss the revenue from the tax cuts they were going to give Amazon. I think even they would disagree with you now.

Amazon is no Golden Goose

NYC doesn’t need them

Da Comrade.

50,000 jobs from vile capitalist pigs cannot be allowed in GLORIOUS peoples city..

Then why does Amazon need tax incentives to come?

The same reason someone buys something when they can get a discount. Who doesn't like saving money?

 

[JGalt]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

So the Israelis idiota. Or the Fins. Or the Swedes.


The ignorance is insane trumpkins is astounding

Most of this country doesn’t espouse socialism. But anyone with even half a brain (I know that doesn’t include loser trumpkins) knows a combination of capitalist and socialist goals is best for any nation.

But trumpkins are morons. Now go collect your SSI.

"A combination of capitalist and socialist goals is best for any nation"?

You mean like Venezuela?

 

[percysunshine]

Fair is fair. Socialism manufactured ...time out ... why is it MANufactured? Why is it not WOMANufactured?

Um ... somebody did not read the directions.....

 

[danielpalos]

Fair is fair. Socialism manufactured ...time out ... why is it MANufactured? Why is it not WOMANufactured?

Um ... somebody did not read the directions.....

in modern times, it can be, wo-manufactured.

 

[percysunshine]

Fair is fair. Socialism manufactured ...time out ... why is it MANufactured? Why is it not WOMANufactured?

Um ... somebody did not read the directions.....

in modern times, it can be, wo-manufactured.

Socialism treats women as slaves.

 

[danielpalos]

Fair is fair. Socialism manufactured ...time out ... why is it MANufactured? Why is it not WOMANufactured?

Um ... somebody did not read the directions.....

in modern times, it can be, wo-manufactured.

Socialism treats women as slaves.

why do you say that? socialism is about equality. did you know that our federal Constitution was intelligently designed to be both gender and race neutral?

 

[Lesh]

Just because someone made something a crime does not mean it is dishonest.

WTF??

Socialism by definition is an autocratic form of government

No...the definition of socialism is the government ownership of the means of production.

Some definitions add "or regulation".

Nothing about autocrats.

And we are clearly not socialist in the first definition nor are many countries on the planet.

As far as the "or regulation" definition...we are admitting that we are a socialist nation if we have ANY regulation. We are then arguing about how MUCH socialism we require

 

[John Shaw]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

Capitalism is obviously superior, but only in conjunction with democratic values and government regulation. If you want to see what a poorly regulated capitalist society looks like for the vast majority, check out the U.S. in the early 1900s.

There is also nothing terribly wrong with some safety net systems, as long as they actually perform their intended function. Ours often fail to do so.

 

[percysunshine]

Fair is fair. Socialism manufactured ...time out ... why is it MANufactured? Why is it not WOMANufactured?

Um ... somebody did not read the directions.....

in modern times, it can be, wo-manufactured.

Socialism treats women as slaves.

why do you say that? socialism is about equality. did you know that our federal Constitution was intelligently designed to be both gender and race neutral?

You are confusing the promises of Socialism with the actual history of Socialism.

Want to know the only way women can survive in Venezuela today?

 

[Lesh]

Venezuela has little to do with socialism.

It is a massively corrupt petro state...like Russia

 

[danielpalos]

Fair is fair. Socialism manufactured ...time out ... why is it MANufactured? Why is it not WOMANufactured?

Um ... somebody did not read the directions.....

in modern times, it can be, wo-manufactured.

Socialism treats women as slaves.

why do you say that? socialism is about equality. did you know that our federal Constitution was intelligently designed to be both gender and race neutral?

You are confusing the promises of Socialism with the actual history of Socialism.

Want to know the only way women can survive in Venezuela today?

that is not socialism but lousy (right wing) management.

 

[percysunshine]

Venezuela has little to do with socialism.

It is a massively corrupt petro state...like Russia

And you have little to do with mind altering drug experiments conducted by the CIA...even though it would not suprise anyone if it were true.

 

[danielpalos]

FDR was a left winger; the rest is first world history.