Compared to capitalism, what has socialism and communism ever produced or manufactured?

[danielpalos]

What you ignore is that in most cases (the countries forced into communism following WWII being the exception) where communism (not socialism) arose...it was because of the FAILURE of unregulated capitalism or systems very like those (Russia)

People didn't just say "Hey let's try this".

Life sucked. Look up serfdom in Russia.

That's not a defense in the least...it's an explanation

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

most of that happened during revolution or internal crises of Government.

how many people did we lose during our Civil War, under our form of Capitalism?

Economic ideologies had nothing to do with he Civil War. That was all about slavery, remember? And no socialist government came out of the Civil War, nor was one deposed.

nothing but capitalism; the socialism of eminent domain could have averted the war.

 

[Andylusion]

Madura is So fucking corrupt and gas prices crashed

Boom

I don't even buy the 'gas prices crash' argument. I've heard this over and over, that it was because the price of oil dropped, that all the problems started in Venezuela.

But that doesn't fit reality. When you look at when all the troubles in Venezuela started, it started all the way back in 2003. They hard shortages of food in 2003.

Why didn't they have food shortages in 1998? In 1998, I remember filling up my truck, with gasoline at the price of 78¢ a gallon. It has never been that cheap to this day. Why didn't Venezuela implode in 1998?

I'll tell you why. The economy was still largely free-market capitalist based. That's the only reason.

Equally prices were going UP from 2003 to 2008... and shortages were GROWING across Venezuela.

How can that happen if higher oil prices were such a boon for Venezuela? I'll tell you why. Left-wing socialist ideology was being rolled out across Venezuela. So it didn't matter how much oil was worth... socialism always fails.

Socialism ALWAYS... fails. Doesn't matter how much you feed it.... it will fail. Doesn't matter what the oil prices were, socialism never works. Government control, never works.

 

[Lesh]

What you ignore is that in most cases (the countries forced into communism following WWII being the exception) where communism (not socialism) arose...it was because of the FAILURE of unregulated capitalism or systems very like those (Russia)

People didn't just say "Hey let's try this".

Life sucked. Look up serfdom in Russia.

That's not a defense in the least...it's an explanation

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

Authoritarian dictatorship

Hands down

 

[georgephillip]

What you ignore is that in most cases (the countries forced into communism following WWII being the exception) where communism (not socialism) arose...it was because of the FAILURE of unregulated capitalism or systems very like those (Russia)

People didn't just say "Hey let's try this".

Life sucked. Look up serfdom in Russia.

That's not a defense in the least...it's an explanation

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

Capitalism got a head start in mass killing:

"A world war erupted — thanks, in large part, as historians agree, to a "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">global depression.

"But what caused the Great Depression? Capitalism — the speculative frenzy and inequality of the rip-roaring 1920s.

"Capitalism poured the fuel of fascism all over the world, in nations like Germany and Italy, who were heavily indebted by that point, and it only took a handful of demagogues to set the world alight. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">How many people died in World War II? 25 million — just soldiers. 50 million — including civilians. 80 million — including famine, war crimes, and disease.

"We’re getting into some spectacular numbers, aren’t we? Let’s take the middle one, just for conservatism’s sake. We’re already at about 70 million."

If Communism Killed Millions, How Many Did Capitalism Kill?

 

[Lesh]

Madura is So fucking corrupt and gas prices crashed

Boom

I don't even buy the 'gas prices crash' argument. I've heard this over and over, that it was because the price of oil dropped, that all the problems started in Venezuela.

But that doesn't fit reality. When you look at when all the troubles in Venezuela started, it started all the way back in 2003. They hard shortages of food in 2003.

Why didn't they have food shortages in 1998? In 1998, I remember filling up my truck, with gasoline at the price of 78¢ a gallon. It has never been that cheap to this day. Why didn't Venezuela implode in 1998?

I'll tell you why. The economy was still largely free-market capitalist based. That's the only reason.

Equally prices were going UP from 2003 to 2008... and shortages were GROWING across Venezuela.

How can that happen if higher oil prices were such a boon for Venezuela? I'll tell you why. Left-wing socialist ideology was being rolled out across Venezuela. So it didn't matter how much oil was worth... socialism always fails.

Socialism ALWAYS... fails. Doesn't matter how much you feed it.... it will fail. Doesn't matter what the oil prices were, socialism never works. Government control, never works.

Far more complicated than that and almost always centered around oil

Economy of Venezuela - Wikipedia

Chavez was corrupt..but Maduro is off the charts

 

[danielpalos]

Madura is So fucking corrupt and gas prices crashed

Boom

I don't even buy the 'gas prices crash' argument. I've heard this over and over, that it was because the price of oil dropped, that all the problems started in Venezuela.

But that doesn't fit reality. When you look at when all the troubles in Venezuela started, it started all the way back in 2003. They hard shortages of food in 2003.

Why didn't they have food shortages in 1998? In 1998, I remember filling up my truck, with gasoline at the price of 78¢ a gallon. It has never been that cheap to this day. Why didn't Venezuela implode in 1998?

I'll tell you why. The economy was still largely free-market capitalist based. That's the only reason.

Equally prices were going UP from 2003 to 2008... and shortages were GROWING across Venezuela.

How can that happen if higher oil prices were such a boon for Venezuela? I'll tell you why. Left-wing socialist ideology was being rolled out across Venezuela. So it didn't matter how much oil was worth... socialism always fails.

Socialism ALWAYS... fails. Doesn't matter how much you feed it.... it will fail. Doesn't matter what the oil prices were, socialism never works. Government control, never works.

a wall is socialism not capitalism.

 

[francoHFW]

I am not here to defend communism which is a dictatorship that owns all business and industry. A failure.

Socialism is no longer looked at as USSR communism since it was discovered that there was absolutely no democracy involved. After World War II socialism has meant fairc capitalismwith a good safety net and always democratic, except in Cold War conservative propaganda more and more.

Today socialism has given us all modern countries except the United States,and probably the final solution to man's government problems. When we get Healthcare we will be socialist, barely...."We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when Obamacare passed.

The ONLY reason you are here is to promote and defend Communism.

That's ridiculous, communism is a dictatorship--socialism is always democratic, just like in every modern Nation but us. Welcome to the 21st century.

 

[francoHFW]

Madura is So fucking corrupt and gas prices crashed

Boom

I don't even buy the 'gas prices crash' argument. I've heard this over and over, that it was because the price of oil dropped, that all the problems started in Venezuela.

But that doesn't fit reality. When you look at when all the troubles in Venezuela started, it started all the way back in 2003. They hard shortages of food in 2003.

Why didn't they have food shortages in 1998? In 1998, I remember filling up my truck, with gasoline at the price of 78¢ a gallon. It has never been that cheap to this day. Why didn't Venezuela implode in 1998?

I'll tell you why. The economy was still largely free-market capitalist based. That's the only reason.

Equally prices were going UP from 2003 to 2008... and shortages were GROWING across Venezuela.

How can that happen if higher oil prices were such a boon for Venezuela? I'll tell you why. Left-wing socialist ideology was being rolled out across Venezuela. So it didn't matter how much oil was worth... socialism always fails.

Socialism ALWAYS... fails. Doesn't matter how much you feed it.... it will fail. Doesn't matter what the oil prices were, socialism never works. Government control, never works.

Far more complicated than that and almost always centered around oil

Economy of Venezuela - Wikipedia

Chavez was corrupt..but Maduro is off the charts

Us has been sabotaging Venezuela since Chavez started... Our Latin American mainly GOP policy is un-American.

 

[JGalt]

What you ignore is that in most cases (the countries forced into communism following WWII being the exception) where communism (not socialism) arose...it was because of the FAILURE of unregulated capitalism or systems very like those (Russia)

People didn't just say "Hey let's try this".

Life sucked. Look up serfdom in Russia.

That's not a defense in the least...it's an explanation

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

most of that happened during revolution or internal crises of Government.

how many people did we lose during our Civil War, under our form of Capitalism?

Economic ideologies had nothing to do with he Civil War. That was all about slavery, remember? And no socialist government came out of the Civil War, nor was one deposed.

nothing but capitalism; the socialism of eminent domain could have averted the war.

Eminent domain has always been used by the state/local governments to buy up privately-held land for wealthy developers to make a fortune off of poorer landowners, so basically it's not socialist.

In a socialistic society, there is no privately-held land, as it's already property of the government.

 

[JGalt]

What you ignore is that in most cases (the countries forced into communism following WWII being the exception) where communism (not socialism) arose...it was because of the FAILURE of unregulated capitalism or systems very like those (Russia)

People didn't just say "Hey let's try this".

Life sucked. Look up serfdom in Russia.

That's not a defense in the least...it's an explanation

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

Authoritarian dictatorship

Hands down

Authoritarian Marxist dictatorship. Same as Cuba or North Korea.

 

[JGalt]

What you ignore is that in most cases (the countries forced into communism following WWII being the exception) where communism (not socialism) arose...it was because of the FAILURE of unregulated capitalism or systems very like those (Russia)

People didn't just say "Hey let's try this".

Life sucked. Look up serfdom in Russia.

That's not a defense in the least...it's an explanation

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

Capitalism got a head start in mass killing:

"A world war erupted — thanks, in large part, as historians agree, to a "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">global depression.

"But what caused the Great Depression? Capitalism — the speculative frenzy and inequality of the rip-roaring 1920s.

"Capitalism poured the fuel of fascism all over the world, in nations like Germany and Italy, who were heavily indebted by that point, and it only took a handful of demagogues to set the world alight. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">How many people died in World War II? 25 million — just soldiers. 50 million — including civilians. 80 million — including famine, war crimes, and disease.

"We’re getting into some spectacular numbers, aren’t we? Let’s take the middle one, just for conservatism’s sake. We’re already at about 70 million."

If Communism Killed Millions, How Many Did Capitalism Kill?

Communism has murdered over 5 times as many and at least under capitalism, those people had the opportunity to survive. Unlike communism, which didn't offer their victims a choice.

 

[Crepitus]

Wow, cool post.

180° out from reality, but cool post.

Really creep, exactly which of those do not go with both Stalinism and Nazis?

Be specific.

Oh, you're just lying - MARXIST!

You are as SPECIFICALLY out of your mid as the Coast Guard terrorist.

Friend of yours?

Lol
No doubt the guy is lunatic, But the mainstream media said the guy had a huge arsenal… That is not a huge arsenal.

The Coast Guard MAGA terrorist had bullet proof vests, more than 20 guns including several assault weapons, thousands of rounds of ammunition and he had detailed plans of who and how he wanted to KILL people

Don't even TRY to diminish the lethality of this white nationalist MAGA killer

Lol
Only a fool would call that an arsenal.
That ammo would would not even last a weekend shooting prairie dogs...
Also they called sporting rifles… Nothing more nothing less.

And yes he was a lunatic. but guilt by association? Really? What about all of Obama’s buddies? Do you really want to go there? So shut the fuck up

First, you kids "go that route" almoalst daily.

Second "sporting rifles" is what RWNJs wanna call them to minimize the fact that they have repeatedly been used to kill large numbers of people quickly and easily.

Third, a stockpile of 20 firearms and thousands of rounds is indeed an arsenal for an individual.

 

[georgephillip]

What you ignore is that in most cases (the countries forced into communism following WWII being the exception) where communism (not socialism) arose...it was because of the FAILURE of unregulated capitalism or systems very like those (Russia)

People didn't just say "Hey let's try this".

Life sucked. Look up serfdom in Russia.

That's not a defense in the least...it's an explanation

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

Capitalism got a head start in mass killing:

"A world war erupted — thanks, in large part, as historians agree, to a "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">global depression.

"But what caused the Great Depression? Capitalism — the speculative frenzy and inequality of the rip-roaring 1920s.

"Capitalism poured the fuel of fascism all over the world, in nations like Germany and Italy, who were heavily indebted by that point, and it only took a handful of demagogues to set the world alight. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">How many people died in World War II? 25 million — just soldiers. 50 million — including civilians. 80 million — including famine, war crimes, and disease.

"We’re getting into some spectacular numbers, aren’t we? Let’s take the middle one, just for conservatism’s sake. We’re already at about 70 million."

If Communism Killed Millions, How Many Did Capitalism Kill?

Communism has murdered over 5 times as many and at least under capitalism, those people had the opportunity to survive. Unlike communism, which didn't offer their victims a choice.

Communism has murdered over 5 times as many and at least under capitalism, those people had the opportunity to survive. Unlike communism, which didn't offer their victims a choice.

German capitalists killed millions of socialists in Russia and Ukraine.

Operation Barbarossa - Wikipedia

"The failure of Operation Barbarossa proved a turning point in the fortunes of the Third Reich.[25]

"Most importantly, the operation opened up the Eastern Front, in which more forces were committed than in any other theater of war in world history.

"The Eastern Front became the site of some of the largest battles, most horrific atrocities, and highest casualties (for Soviet and Axis forces alike), all of which influenced the course of both World War II and the subsequent history of the 20th century.

"The German armies captured 5,000,000 Red Army troops, who were denied the protection guaranteed by the Hague Conventions and the 1929 Geneva Convention.

"A majority of Red Army POWs never returned alive.

"The Nazis deliberately starved to death, or otherwise killed, 3.3 million prisoners of war, as well as a huge number of civilians (through the 'Hunger Plan' which aimed at largely replacing the Slavic population with German settlers).[26]

"Einsatzgruppen death-squads and gassing operations murdered over a million Soviet Jews as part of the Holocaust.[27]"

 

[danielpalos]

What you ignore is that in most cases (the countries forced into communism following WWII being the exception) where communism (not socialism) arose...it was because of the FAILURE of unregulated capitalism or systems very like those (Russia)

People didn't just say "Hey let's try this".

Life sucked. Look up serfdom in Russia.

That's not a defense in the least...it's an explanation

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

most of that happened during revolution or internal crises of Government.

how many people did we lose during our Civil War, under our form of Capitalism?

Economic ideologies had nothing to do with he Civil War. That was all about slavery, remember? And no socialist government came out of the Civil War, nor was one deposed.

nothing but capitalism; the socialism of eminent domain could have averted the war.

Eminent domain has always been used by the state/local governments to buy up privately-held land for wealthy developers to make a fortune off of poorer landowners, so basically it's not socialist.

In a socialistic society, there is no privately-held land, as it's already property of the government.

our form of socialism is limited by our Constitution.

An public policy constitutes an public Use.

Eminent Domain is Socialism not capitalism.

 

[JGalt]

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

most of that happened during revolution or internal crises of Government.

how many people did we lose during our Civil War, under our form of Capitalism?

Economic ideologies had nothing to do with he Civil War. That was all about slavery, remember? And no socialist government came out of the Civil War, nor was one deposed.

nothing but capitalism; the socialism of eminent domain could have averted the war.

Eminent domain has always been used by the state/local governments to buy up privately-held land for wealthy developers to make a fortune off of poorer landowners, so basically it's not socialist.

In a socialistic society, there is no privately-held land, as it's already property of the government.

our form of socialism is limited by our Constitution.

An public policy constitutes an public Use.

Eminent Domain is Socialism not capitalism.

Property-owners are compensated for their property under eminent domain, which is capitalistic in nature.

Under socialism and communism, private property is not allowed. So the government just takes the property and kills the owners.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Just because someone made something a crime does not mean it is dishonest.

WTF??

Socialism by definition is an autocratic form of government

No...the definition of socialism is the government ownership of the means of production.

Some definitions add "or regulation".

Nothing about autocrats.

And we are clearly not socialist in the first definition nor are many countries on the planet.

As far as the "or regulation" definition...we are admitting that we are a socialist nation if we have ANY regulation. We are then arguing about how MUCH socialism we require

Yes and by definition when the government seizes anything and declares itself the owner it is absolutely AUTOCRATIC

One more time

Just because the state passes a law making some form of behavior a crime does not mean said behavior is harmful of dishonest.

The insiders trade act outlaws nothing immoral dishonest or harmful

It is strictly meant to allow some in wider trading while selectively prosecuting others.

This was done to protect some traders from competition. The law itself is dishonest and immoral, insider trading is neither

 

[Soupnazi630]

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

most of that happened during revolution or internal crises of Government.

how many people did we lose during our Civil War, under our form of Capitalism?

Economic ideologies had nothing to do with he Civil War. That was all about slavery, remember? And no socialist government came out of the Civil War, nor was one deposed.

nothing but capitalism; the socialism of eminent domain could have averted the war.

Eminent domain has always been used by the state/local governments to buy up privately-held land for wealthy developers to make a fortune off of poorer landowners, so basically it's not socialist.

In a socialistic society, there is no privately-held land, as it's already property of the government.

our form of socialism is limited by our Constitution.

An public policy constitutes an public Use.

Eminent Domain is Socialism not capitalism.

We have no socialism dumbass.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Fair is fair. Socialism manufactured ...time out ... why is it MANufactured? Why is it not WOMANufactured?

Um ... somebody did not read the directions.....

in modern times, it can be, wo-manufactured.

Socialism treats women as slaves.

why do you say that? socialism is about equality. did you know that our federal Constitution was intelligently designed to be both gender and race neutral?

You are confusing the promises of Socialism with the actual history of Socialism.

Want to know the only way women can survive in Venezuela today?

that is not socialism but lousy (right wing) management.

Wrong it is socialism which always fails

 

[Lesh]

Just because someone made something a crime does not mean it is dishonest.

WTF??

Socialism by definition is an autocratic form of government

No...the definition of socialism is the government ownership of the means of production.

Some definitions add "or regulation".

Nothing about autocrats.

And we are clearly not socialist in the first definition nor are many countries on the planet.

As far as the "or regulation" definition...we are admitting that we are a socialist nation if we have ANY regulation. We are then arguing about how MUCH socialism we require

Yes and by definition when the government seizes anything and declares itself the owner it is absolutely AUTOCRATIC

One more time

Just because the state passes a law making some form of behavior a crime does not mean said behavior is harmful of dishonest.

The insiders trade act outlaws nothing immoral dishonest or harmful

It is strictly meant to allow some in wider trading while selectively prosecuting others.

This was done to protect some traders from competition. The law itself is dishonest and immoral, insider trading is neither

So you favor anarchy?

Ok well we got that out of the way

 

[Soupnazi630]

Venezuela has little to do with socialism.

It is a massively corrupt petro state...like Russia

Venezuela has every thing to do with socialism

Socialism causes disasters like venezeula every time