Confederate Memorial at Arlington will be removed despite GOP opposition

[bripat9643]

Look them up. You said they were in some kind of a cult around Lincoln.

In other words, it proves nothing.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Who are "your people?"

My ancestors who came over here in the 1600s.

Reading and comprehension a problem with you? My post reads: "We (my people), came over in the 1600s - not as servants, no indentures, and not as chattel."

Figure it out

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Presidents are not in charge of oil companies. Aramco is owned by Saudi Arabia But who owns Dutch Shell who sold out to Aramco? When was Dutch Shell and Aramco joined at the hip and who was president then? Turns out Nixon was president but he too did not join the Dutch firm to the Saudi Firm.

Better tell MAGA-world

 

[bripat9643]

My ancestors who came over here in the 1600s.

Reading and comprehension a problem with you? My post reads: "We (my people), came over in the 1600s - not as servants, no indentures, and not as chattel."

Figure it out

Why would I waste my time? Either tell me or go fuck yourself. I don't care which you do.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Why would I waste my time? Either tell me or go fuck yourself. I don't care which you do.

You're wasting your time here, feeding people white cracker bs

You suck

 

[Mac-7]

So make that argument instead of pretending its about protecting history.

I just did

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Six Tenets​

The Lost Cause interpretation of the Civil War typically includes the following six assertions:

1. Secession, not slavery, caused the Civil War.

2. African Americans were “faithful slaves,” loyal to their masters and the Confederate cause and unprepared for the responsibilities of freedom.

3. The Confederacy was defeated militarily only because of the Union’s overwhelming advantages in men and resources.

4. Confederate soldiers were heroic and saintly.

5. The most heroic and saintly of all Confederates, perhaps of all Americans, was Robert E. Lee.

6. Southern women were loyal to the Confederate cause and sanctified by the sacrifice of their loved ones.

The historical consensus, however, presents a picture that is far more complicated, one in which some tenets of the Lost Cause are obviously false and some are at least partly true.

The Lost Cause - Encyclopedia Virginia

Six Tenets The Lost Cause interpretation of the Civil War typically includes the following six assertions: 1. Secession, not slavery, . 2. African Americans were “faithful slaves,” loyal to their masters and the Confederate cause and unprepared for the responsibilities of freedom. 3. The...

encyclopediavirginia.org

 

[Mac-7]

Twisted perception, but okay. And I understand being proud of ancestors, but what are proud of exactly -- them fighting to maintain slavery?

The war was about more than slavery

But libs must deny that fact to keep the hate going

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Six Tenets​

The Lost Cause interpretation of the Civil War typically includes the following six assertions:

1. Secession, not slavery, caused the Civil War.

2. African Americans were “faithful slaves,” loyal to their masters and the Confederate cause and unprepared for the responsibilities of freedom.

3. The Confederacy was defeated militarily only because of the Union’s overwhelming advantages in men and resources.

4. Confederate soldiers were heroic and saintly.

5. The most heroic and saintly of all Confederates, perhaps of all Americans, was Robert E. Lee.

6. Southern women were loyal to the Confederate cause and sanctified by the sacrifice of their loved ones.

The historical consensus, however, presents a picture that is far more complicated, one in which some tenets of the Lost Cause are obviously false and some are at least partly true.

The Lost Cause - Encyclopedia Virginia

Six Tenets The Lost Cause interpretation of the Civil War typically includes the following six assertions: 1. Secession, not slavery, . 2. African Americans were “faithful slaves,” loyal to their masters and the Confederate cause and unprepared for the responsibilities of freedom. 3. The...

encyclopediavirginia.org

Lost Cause proponents have stressed the primacy of states’ rights and the constitutionality of secession, and have cited the secession crisis—along with political squabbles such as tariff disputes and broad claims about the evolution of different societies in the North and South—as the cause of the war instead of slavery. At the same time, Northern abolitionists have been portrayed as provocateurs and slavery as justified and an institution that eventually would have died of its own accord. The historian Alan T. Nolan has called this reading of history “outrageous and disingenuous,” saying that it was the dispute over slavery that actually caused the secession crisis. Nolan and other historians have further noted that many Southern politicians viewed slavery to be, in the words of Confederate vice president Alexander H. Stephens, the “foundation” and “cornerstone” of the Confederacy.

Slavery, meanwhile, is sentimentalized in the context of the Lost Cause. Following the war, white Southerners told stories of the “happy slave”—the “Mammy” or “Uncle Tom” who was considered part of the family. “Generally speaking, the negroes proved a harmless and affectionate race, easily governed, and happy in their condition,” according to the 1908 edition of the textbook History of Virginia by Mary Tucker Magill. The 1964 edition of Virginia: History, Government, Geography by Francis Butler Simkins, Spotswood Hunnicutt Jones, and Sidman P. Poole was not much different. “A feeling of strong affection existed between masters and slaves in a majority of Virginia homes,” the authors wrote. Such statements are not supported by modern scholarship, which suggests that many enslaved people were desperate to escape their often harsh conditions both before and during the war. In fact, enslaved laborers who escaped helped to precipitate national political crises such as the one surrounding the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850.

The image of African Americans who had been happy under slavery but were overwhelmed by the responsibilities of freedom became widespread and could be found in the fiction of Thomas Nelson Page and Margaret Mitchell, whose novel Gone with the Wind won the Pulitzer Prize in 1937. The image also proved particularly useful to white supremacists. In the 1880s and 1890s, white Southerners, decrying “Yankee aggression” and Black “betrayal,” embarked on an effort to reverse the policies of Reconstruction. They sought to remove Black officeholders, disenfranchise African American men, forestall Black economic advancement, and institute state-sanctioned segregation, often under the threat of violence.

There's more over at the website: The Lost Cause - Encyclopedia Virginia

 

[Mac-7]

Frame it any way you want, but he was disloyal to his nation. While an US Army man, he took an oath.

Not true

Lee was loyal to his state

And his state joined the Confederacy which it had every right to do

 

[Curried Goats]

I just did

What's with the rest of the cowards on your side pretending as if it's about preserving history?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The war was about more than slavery

True.

But libs must deny that fact to keep the hate going

Not true. Most people do not know recent history, let alone ...

But slavery was the primary issue with SC first state to secede. They wrote official documents on it. And the one state right that drove the war -- the state right to owning slaves, slavery.

 

[Votto]

Stupid democrat Taliban. Just can't handle American history.

Next they'll be erecting statues to perverts and deviants.

Democrats remove statues commemorating American history, and get made when you destroy satanic statues at the Iowa state house.

 

[Curried Goats]

The war was about more than slavery

But libs must deny that fact to keep the hate going

Slavery is a good enough reason to hate piece of shit Confederates but if you want to add more reasons feel free to.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Confederate Memorial at Arlington will be removed despite GOP opposition
Though dozens of congressional Republicans protested the move, the Army says it will begin work in coming days

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The U.S. Army intends to remove a Confederate memorial from Arlington National Cemetery next week as part of its ongoing work to rid Defense Department property of divisive rebel imagery, defying dozens of congressional Republicans who have vociferously protested the move.





Why would Republicans object to the removal of Confederate monuments if the Confederates were Democrats???

Removing monuments doesn't remove history.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Confederate Memorial at Arlington will be removed despite GOP opposition
Though dozens of congressional Republicans protested the move, the Army says it will begin work in coming days

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The U.S. Army intends to remove a Confederate memorial from Arlington National Cemetery next week as part of its ongoing work to rid Defense Department property of divisive rebel imagery, defying dozens of congressional Republicans who have vociferously protested the move.





Why would Republicans object to the removal of Confederate monuments if the Confederates were Democrats???

And bdtex
Why do you think it's a gop objection? Even bdtex is a leftist democrat and uses Jefferson Davis as a avatar

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Not true

Lee was loyal to his state

And his state joined the Confederacy which it had every right to do

again, Frame it any way you want, but Robert E Lee was disloyal to his nation. While an US Army man, he took an oath.


What oath did Robert E. Lee take at West Point?

When Lee graduated and was commissioned a Brevet Lieutenant in the United States Army in 1829, he took the Officer's Oath: “I do solemnly swear that I will bear true allegiance to the United States of America, and that I will serve them honestly and faithfully against all their enemies or opposers whatsoever, and

Robert E. Lee swears to "faithfully support, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and the Union of the States" and to uphold the proclamations and laws that ended slavery in this oath of allegiance notarized on October 2, 1865.
and...

Robert E. Lee's Amnesty Oath - Encyclopedia Virginia

Robert E. Lee swears to "faithfully support, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and the Union of the States" and to uphold the proclamations and laws that ended slavery in this oath of allegiance notarized on October 2, 1865. Publicly, Lee lived up to the terms of this...

encyclopediavirginia.org

So much of our understanding of Lee’s times have been clouded by Confederate apologists and the Lost Cause history revision. Add to that our modern revulsion to chattel slavery, and today’s values being applied to a different era, leads to questions about how could this incredible inhumanity have been sustained for so long in a civilized society. Today it is a simple, moral outrage, while back in the antebellum South it was “our Peculiar Institution.” But we must remember, the majority of Americans were opposed to slavery by 1860, it was not a given to just accept it as a “sign of the times”.

Lee: “The painful discipline they (slaves) are undergoing is necessary for their instruction as a race.” As for when the system would end, he left that to “God” to determine. It is difficult, I think, to continue honoring Lee as we have done in the South due to his defense of slavery. But even more than that was his inexcusable and treasonous betrayal of the oath he gave to the United States at West Point.

Debating Robert E. Lee: Patriot or traitor? - SoVaNOW: Home of The News & Record and The Mecklenburg Sun

The answer to the question of whether Robert E. Lee was a patriot or a traitor is actually fairly straightforward: his actions met the Constitution’s requirement for the definition and charge of treason. Lee took a loyalty oath to the United States and he willingly violated that oath. Virginian...

www.sovanow.com

 

[Mac-7]

Until he wasn't.

And then was again

The left is woefully ignorant of history

But Americans who lived before us understood

Many thanks to John Ford for the following scene

 

[reconmark]

The war was about more than slavery

But libs must deny that fact to keep the hate going

Yeah, we should take your ignorant opinion over the leadership of the CSA when they specifically stated that maintaining the institution of slavery and denial of human rights to Black people were their primary reason for their treasonous behavior.

 

[Mac-7]

What's with the rest of the cowards on your side pretending as if it's about preserving history?

It is about history

Dont be like the communists or taliban by trying to erase history