Confederate statue removed from historic North Carolina courthouse

[Polishprince]

Secession killed 600,000 soldiers

FDR's Raw Deal caused WWII, and the deaths of 6 million. After all, if Roosevelt hadn't decimated the military budget for the WPA and other stupidity, the Germans would have never risked pissing America off with the Holocaust and WWII would have never occurred.

So we went to war with Germany because of the Holocaust?

These were men who stood shoulder to shoulder because no man wanted to go back to his town a coward.

You've been watching too many Klingon movies, Wimp.

>> During both of Robert E. Lee's invasions of the North—the Maryland Campaign during the fall of 1862 and the Gettysburg Campaign the following summer—the Army of Northern Virginia suffered serious attrition from "straggling" and desertion. Lee himself estimated that a third of his force was absent at the Battle of Antietam on September 17, 1862. Some of these men were too weak to maintain the year's punishing schedule of marching, especially after the grueling campaigns from the Seven Days through Second Manassas. Men suffered from a critical lack of shoes, clothing, and food, and, following the campaign, Lee quickly moved to fix problems in the Confederate quartermaster department. Other soldiers deserted not for lack of supplies but because they opposed on principle Lee's decision to take the war north. Still others probably deserted with no intention of returning, even when the army returned to Virginia.

... In August 1863, following defeat at Gettysburg, Confederate president Jefferson Davis offered a full amnesty for deserters in order to replenish the army's depleted ranks. French leaves, meanwhile, were authorized on the company level in order to help ward off longer-term desertions.

Desertions escalated substantially in the final months of the war, as Union general-in-chief Ulysses S. Grant finally broke through Lee's defense of Richmond and Petersburg, on April 2, 1865, and sent the Confederate army west in retreat. As many as several hundred men per night fled the army even before Richmond fell. On the march toward Appomattox, thousands more also deserted—mostly Virginians and North Carolinians, whose homes were already temptingly close.<< --- Desertion (Confederate) During the Civil War
​

Draft dodging and outright resistance was rampant as well, but this thread isn't about what went on during the War, Wimp. It's about the propaganda campaign that went on AFTER that War with the purpose of redefining what that War was for, Wimp. You and your Klingon GI Joe dolls are off topic.

The overlooked fact is that these monuments were not put up by grieving relatives at the conclusion of the war. They were erected 40 or more years after the war was over as a means to remind blacks of the “good ole days” and keep them in their place.
The erection of monuments coincided with the rise of the klan

A lot of Union war memorials weren't completed until many years after the end of hostilities as well. Ditto with other war memorials, like the WWII Memorial in Washington DC which wasn't erected until the 21st Century.


The coincidence that defunct groups like the Triple K were also arising at the time some memorials were being built is just that, a coincidence.

What the real reason here is that the Liberal Establishment wants to punish Southern Honkies by denying their existence and rubbing any trace of them from the face of the earth.- mainly because they don't put up that well with socialism. This is just one of the fronts they are working on in this quest

 

[rightwinger]

FDR's Raw Deal caused WWII, and the deaths of 6 million. After all, if Roosevelt hadn't decimated the military budget for the WPA and other stupidity, the Germans would have never risked pissing America off with the Holocaust and WWII would have never occurred.

So we went to war with Germany because of the Holocaust?

These were men who stood shoulder to shoulder because no man wanted to go back to his town a coward.

You've been watching too many Klingon movies, Wimp.

>> During both of Robert E. Lee's invasions of the North—the Maryland Campaign during the fall of 1862 and the Gettysburg Campaign the following summer—the Army of Northern Virginia suffered serious attrition from "straggling" and desertion. Lee himself estimated that a third of his force was absent at the Battle of Antietam on September 17, 1862. Some of these men were too weak to maintain the year's punishing schedule of marching, especially after the grueling campaigns from the Seven Days through Second Manassas. Men suffered from a critical lack of shoes, clothing, and food, and, following the campaign, Lee quickly moved to fix problems in the Confederate quartermaster department. Other soldiers deserted not for lack of supplies but because they opposed on principle Lee's decision to take the war north. Still others probably deserted with no intention of returning, even when the army returned to Virginia.

... In August 1863, following defeat at Gettysburg, Confederate president Jefferson Davis offered a full amnesty for deserters in order to replenish the army's depleted ranks. French leaves, meanwhile, were authorized on the company level in order to help ward off longer-term desertions.

Desertions escalated substantially in the final months of the war, as Union general-in-chief Ulysses S. Grant finally broke through Lee's defense of Richmond and Petersburg, on April 2, 1865, and sent the Confederate army west in retreat. As many as several hundred men per night fled the army even before Richmond fell. On the march toward Appomattox, thousands more also deserted—mostly Virginians and North Carolinians, whose homes were already temptingly close.<< --- Desertion (Confederate) During the Civil War
​

Draft dodging and outright resistance was rampant as well, but this thread isn't about what went on during the War, Wimp. It's about the propaganda campaign that went on AFTER that War with the purpose of redefining what that War was for, Wimp. You and your Klingon GI Joe dolls are off topic.

The overlooked fact is that these monuments were not put up by grieving relatives at the conclusion of the war. They were erected 40 or more years after the war was over as a means to remind blacks of the “good ole days” and keep them in their place.
The erection of monuments coincided with the rise of the klan

A lot of Union war memorials weren't completed until many years after the end of hostilities as well. Ditto with other war memorials, like the WWII Memorial in Washington DC which wasn't erected until the 21st Century.


The coincidence that defunct groups like the Triple K were also arising at the time some memorials were being built is just that, a coincidence.

What the real reason here is that the Liberal Establishment wants to punish Southern Honkies by denying their existence and rubbing any trace of them from the face of the earth.- mainly because they don't put up that well with socialism. This is just one of the fronts they are working on in this quest

There wasn’t a push to construct Union war memorials after 1910. There was for Confederate memorials

There were no memorials on the DC mall until the Vietnam Memorial.
After the Vietnam Memorial was built, Korean War vets said....how about us? Then WWII vets said.....how about us?

 

[Polishprince]

There wasn’t a push to construct Union war memorials after 1910. There was for Confederate memorials
?

Of course, that's bullshit.

The Indianapolis union memorial wasn't completed until 1894, Cleveland's not until 1904, Pittsburgh's in 1910.

All long after festivities ended.

 

[rightwinger]

There wasn’t a push to construct Union war memorials after 1910. There was for Confederate memorials
?

Of course, that's bullshit.

The Indianapolis union memorial wasn't completed until 1894, Cleveland's not until 1904, Pittsburgh's in 1910.

All long after festivities ended.

After 1910?

 

[Pogo]

Secession killed 600,000 soldiers

FDR's Raw Deal caused WWII, and the deaths of 6 million. After all, if Roosevelt hadn't decimated the military budget for the WPA and other stupidity, the Germans would have never risked pissing America off with the Holocaust and WWII would have never occurred.

So we went to war with Germany because of the Holocaust?

These were men who stood shoulder to shoulder because no man wanted to go back to his town a coward.

You've been watching too many Klingon movies, Wimp.

>> During both of Robert E. Lee's invasions of the North—the Maryland Campaign during the fall of 1862 and the Gettysburg Campaign the following summer—the Army of Northern Virginia suffered serious attrition from "straggling" and desertion. Lee himself estimated that a third of his force was absent at the Battle of Antietam on September 17, 1862. Some of these men were too weak to maintain the year's punishing schedule of marching, especially after the grueling campaigns from the Seven Days through Second Manassas. Men suffered from a critical lack of shoes, clothing, and food, and, following the campaign, Lee quickly moved to fix problems in the Confederate quartermaster department. Other soldiers deserted not for lack of supplies but because they opposed on principle Lee's decision to take the war north. Still others probably deserted with no intention of returning, even when the army returned to Virginia.

... In August 1863, following defeat at Gettysburg, Confederate president Jefferson Davis offered a full amnesty for deserters in order to replenish the army's depleted ranks. French leaves, meanwhile, were authorized on the company level in order to help ward off longer-term desertions.

Desertions escalated substantially in the final months of the war, as Union general-in-chief Ulysses S. Grant finally broke through Lee's defense of Richmond and Petersburg, on April 2, 1865, and sent the Confederate army west in retreat. As many as several hundred men per night fled the army even before Richmond fell. On the march toward Appomattox, thousands more also deserted—mostly Virginians and North Carolinians, whose homes were already temptingly close.<< --- Desertion (Confederate) During the Civil War
​

Draft dodging and outright resistance was rampant as well, but this thread isn't about what went on during the War, Wimp. It's about the propaganda campaign that went on AFTER that War with the purpose of redefining what that War was for, Wimp. You and your Klingon GI Joe dolls are off topic.

The overlooked fact is that these monuments were not put up by grieving relatives at the conclusion of the war. They were erected 40 or more years after the war was over as a means to remind blacks of the “good ole days” and keep them in their place.
The erection of monuments coincided with the rise of the klan

And even before that it coincided with the absolute worst period of racism and ethnic bigotry this country has ever seen, with segregated facilities and Jim Crow, rampant lynchings complete with souvenir postcards and burned body parts, a spate of race riots, even the "gentlemen's agreement" that kept blacks out of baseball from Moses Walker to Jackie Robinson, Al Jolson in blackface and Amos 'n' Andy.

This is what summa these wags don't appreciate when I talk about approaches to gun violence --- a cultural campaign, such as this one, pervades FAR more deeply than throwing laws at some issue. When the inevitable resistance to all this erupted in the Civil Rights Movement we threw laws at it but we're still paying the price of the degradation spurred by all this propaganda. Yet here sit the apologists trying to drag it on indefinitely expecting different results. Then they'll bounce off to another thread where the moan and groan about "black crime", and never connect the dots.

 

[Pogo]

The coincidence that defunct groups like the Triple K were also arising at the time some memorials were being built is just that, a coincidence.

BULLSHIT.

The groundwork was lain for the Klan already with the Lost Cause pushing this revisionist narrative. The KKK rose directly out of the sensation of the movie "Birth of a Nation" which in turn rose out of a wildly popular play based on the wildly popular novel "The Clansman" in 1905. ALL of those were narrative of the Cult of the Lost Cause, ALL of them depicting the worst racial stereotypes and ALL of them penetrated deep into the culture. Simmons' whole point in rekindling the Klan in 1915 was to capitalize on that cultural momentum by making the Klan people saw in the movie into a real thing that people could actually join, and in the process put money in his pocket. So when the Klan became a real thing it did so in a fertile field that was built for it to take off. Within a decade its members numbered in the millions from sea to shining sea, FAR outpacing the reach of the original 1865 Klan.

Moreover ALL of them -- the book, the play, the movie, the race riots, the segregation, the Jim Crow laws --- were taking place simultaneously with the UDC propaganda transmitter campaign. The statue in this thread was erected in 1907. Ten years later they were affixing a plaque to a building in Pulaski Tennessee to "honor" that building as the birthplace of the original KKK.

 

[Pogo]

So we went to war with Germany because of the Holocaust?

These were men who stood shoulder to shoulder because no man wanted to go back to his town a coward.

You've been watching too many Klingon movies, Wimp.

>> During both of Robert E. Lee's invasions of the North—the Maryland Campaign during the fall of 1862 and the Gettysburg Campaign the following summer—the Army of Northern Virginia suffered serious attrition from "straggling" and desertion. Lee himself estimated that a third of his force was absent at the Battle of Antietam on September 17, 1862. Some of these men were too weak to maintain the year's punishing schedule of marching, especially after the grueling campaigns from the Seven Days through Second Manassas. Men suffered from a critical lack of shoes, clothing, and food, and, following the campaign, Lee quickly moved to fix problems in the Confederate quartermaster department. Other soldiers deserted not for lack of supplies but because they opposed on principle Lee's decision to take the war north. Still others probably deserted with no intention of returning, even when the army returned to Virginia.

... In August 1863, following defeat at Gettysburg, Confederate president Jefferson Davis offered a full amnesty for deserters in order to replenish the army's depleted ranks. French leaves, meanwhile, were authorized on the company level in order to help ward off longer-term desertions.

Desertions escalated substantially in the final months of the war, as Union general-in-chief Ulysses S. Grant finally broke through Lee's defense of Richmond and Petersburg, on April 2, 1865, and sent the Confederate army west in retreat. As many as several hundred men per night fled the army even before Richmond fell. On the march toward Appomattox, thousands more also deserted—mostly Virginians and North Carolinians, whose homes were already temptingly close.<< --- Desertion (Confederate) During the Civil War
​

Draft dodging and outright resistance was rampant as well, but this thread isn't about what went on during the War, Wimp. It's about the propaganda campaign that went on AFTER that War with the purpose of redefining what that War was for, Wimp. You and your Klingon GI Joe dolls are off topic.

The overlooked fact is that these monuments were not put up by grieving relatives at the conclusion of the war. They were erected 40 or more years after the war was over as a means to remind blacks of the “good ole days” and keep them in their place.
The erection of monuments coincided with the rise of the klan

A lot of Union war memorials weren't completed until many years after the end of hostilities as well. Ditto with other war memorials, like the WWII Memorial in Washington DC which wasn't erected until the 21st Century.


The coincidence that defunct groups like the Triple K were also arising at the time some memorials were being built is just that, a coincidence.

What the real reason here is that the Liberal Establishment wants to punish Southern Honkies by denying their existence and rubbing any trace of them from the face of the earth.- mainly because they don't put up that well with socialism. This is just one of the fronts they are working on in this quest

There wasn’t a push to construct Union war memorials after 1910. There was for Confederate memorials

There were no memorials on the DC mall until the Vietnam Memorial.
After the Vietnam Memorial was built, Korean War vets said....how about us? Then WWII vets said.....how about us?

And of course the WWI vets had already been saying 'how about us' years earlier. Our sterling government sent in troops against them.

 

[Bush92]

So we went to war with Germany because of the Holocaust?

These were men who stood shoulder to shoulder because no man wanted to go back to his town a coward.

You've been watching too many Klingon movies, Wimp.

>> During both of Robert E. Lee's invasions of the North—the Maryland Campaign during the fall of 1862 and the Gettysburg Campaign the following summer—the Army of Northern Virginia suffered serious attrition from "straggling" and desertion. Lee himself estimated that a third of his force was absent at the Battle of Antietam on September 17, 1862. Some of these men were too weak to maintain the year's punishing schedule of marching, especially after the grueling campaigns from the Seven Days through Second Manassas. Men suffered from a critical lack of shoes, clothing, and food, and, following the campaign, Lee quickly moved to fix problems in the Confederate quartermaster department. Other soldiers deserted not for lack of supplies but because they opposed on principle Lee's decision to take the war north. Still others probably deserted with no intention of returning, even when the army returned to Virginia.

... In August 1863, following defeat at Gettysburg, Confederate president Jefferson Davis offered a full amnesty for deserters in order to replenish the army's depleted ranks. French leaves, meanwhile, were authorized on the company level in order to help ward off longer-term desertions.

Desertions escalated substantially in the final months of the war, as Union general-in-chief Ulysses S. Grant finally broke through Lee's defense of Richmond and Petersburg, on April 2, 1865, and sent the Confederate army west in retreat. As many as several hundred men per night fled the army even before Richmond fell. On the march toward Appomattox, thousands more also deserted—mostly Virginians and North Carolinians, whose homes were already temptingly close.<< --- Desertion (Confederate) During the Civil War
​

Draft dodging and outright resistance was rampant as well, but this thread isn't about what went on during the War, Wimp. It's about the propaganda campaign that went on AFTER that War with the purpose of redefining what that War was for, Wimp. You and your Klingon GI Joe dolls are off topic.

The overlooked fact is that these monuments were not put up by grieving relatives at the conclusion of the war. They were erected 40 or more years after the war was over as a means to remind blacks of the “good ole days” and keep them in their place.
The erection of monuments coincided with the rise of the klan

A lot of Union war memorials weren't completed until many years after the end of hostilities as well. Ditto with other war memorials, like the WWII Memorial in Washington DC which wasn't erected until the 21st Century.


The coincidence that defunct groups like the Triple K were also arising at the time some memorials were being built is just that, a coincidence.

What the real reason here is that the Liberal Establishment wants to punish Southern Honkies by denying their existence and rubbing any trace of them from the face of the earth.- mainly because they don't put up that well with socialism. This is just one of the fronts they are working on in this quest

There wasn’t a push to construct Union war memorials after 1910. There was for Confederate memorials

There were no memorials on the DC mall until the Vietnam Memorial.
After the Vietnam Memorial was built, Korean War vets said....how about us? Then WWII vets said.....how about us?

It was there in 1862 you blithering revisionist history idiot.

 

[Faun]

You really think homes for minorities brought down the US economy?

Poor people were not speculating in Real Estate

Actually, they were. Poor people were borrowing too much, exercising too much leverage to buy property at speculative levels. Those properties subsequently collapsed in price, the indigent were no longer able to pay their notes and the result was a financial panic.

Actually, it was RICH people speculating on an artificially inflated real estate market

Some wealthy people did as well, sure.

But the impoverished were in worse shape to bounce back when the bubble collapsed. It was their speculation which was worse for the economy, but the Democrat led Congress did nothing in 07-08 so we were screwed. Part of the Democrat scheme to destroy the economy so they could remake it by winning in 08 which they did.

The Great Bush Recession of 2008 has been used by Conservatives and was blamed on the poor

It was poor people being able to buy houses that caused the collapse.

Meanwhile, it was the rich people speculating on a real estate bubble, it was the one percent who owned the banks.

Once the economy crashed, it was the poor people who lost their jobs while we bailed out the wealthy.

W warned of the housing crisis as far back as 2003. Dimwingers said there wasn't a problem.

Watch and get an education for once.

And Republicans controlled the House and Senate until 2007 and did nothing about it.

 

[Faun]

Doesn’t work like that

You think you are allowed to do everything that is not prohibited in the Constitution? Murder? Rape?

Comparing murder and rape to the political act of succession is sort of stupid.

Secession killed 600,000 soldiers

FDR's Raw Deal caused WWII, and the deaths of 6 million. After all, if Roosevelt hadn't decimated the military budget for the WPA and other stupidity, the Germans would have never risked pissing America off with the Holocaust and WWII would have never occurred.

So we went to war with Germany because of the Holocaust?

These were men who stood shoulder to shoulder because no man wanted to go back to his town a coward. Before a major battle there would be a brown streak behind the grass on both the Union and Confederate lines. Men so scared they shit themselves. But you lousy piece of shit 2020 liberal Marxist want to quantify that in a moral context.Fuck you. Just poor kids on both sides fighting for their country.

The south wasn't just fighting for their country.... they were also fighting to keep slavery legal.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The overlooked fact is that these monuments were not put up by grieving relatives at the conclusion of the war. They were erected 40 or more years after the war was over as a means to remind blacks of the “good ole days” and keep them in their place.

Spot on.

 

[rightwinger]

These were men who stood shoulder to shoulder because no man wanted to go back to his town a coward.

You've been watching too many Klingon movies, Wimp.

>> During both of Robert E. Lee's invasions of the North—the Maryland Campaign during the fall of 1862 and the Gettysburg Campaign the following summer—the Army of Northern Virginia suffered serious attrition from "straggling" and desertion. Lee himself estimated that a third of his force was absent at the Battle of Antietam on September 17, 1862. Some of these men were too weak to maintain the year's punishing schedule of marching, especially after the grueling campaigns from the Seven Days through Second Manassas. Men suffered from a critical lack of shoes, clothing, and food, and, following the campaign, Lee quickly moved to fix problems in the Confederate quartermaster department. Other soldiers deserted not for lack of supplies but because they opposed on principle Lee's decision to take the war north. Still others probably deserted with no intention of returning, even when the army returned to Virginia.

... In August 1863, following defeat at Gettysburg, Confederate president Jefferson Davis offered a full amnesty for deserters in order to replenish the army's depleted ranks. French leaves, meanwhile, were authorized on the company level in order to help ward off longer-term desertions.

Desertions escalated substantially in the final months of the war, as Union general-in-chief Ulysses S. Grant finally broke through Lee's defense of Richmond and Petersburg, on April 2, 1865, and sent the Confederate army west in retreat. As many as several hundred men per night fled the army even before Richmond fell. On the march toward Appomattox, thousands more also deserted—mostly Virginians and North Carolinians, whose homes were already temptingly close.<< --- Desertion (Confederate) During the Civil War
​

Draft dodging and outright resistance was rampant as well, but this thread isn't about what went on during the War, Wimp. It's about the propaganda campaign that went on AFTER that War with the purpose of redefining what that War was for, Wimp. You and your Klingon GI Joe dolls are off topic.

The overlooked fact is that these monuments were not put up by grieving relatives at the conclusion of the war. They were erected 40 or more years after the war was over as a means to remind blacks of the “good ole days” and keep them in their place.
The erection of monuments coincided with the rise of the klan

A lot of Union war memorials weren't completed until many years after the end of hostilities as well. Ditto with other war memorials, like the WWII Memorial in Washington DC which wasn't erected until the 21st Century.


The coincidence that defunct groups like the Triple K were also arising at the time some memorials were being built is just that, a coincidence.

What the real reason here is that the Liberal Establishment wants to punish Southern Honkies by denying their existence and rubbing any trace of them from the face of the earth.- mainly because they don't put up that well with socialism. This is just one of the fronts they are working on in this quest

There wasn’t a push to construct Union war memorials after 1910. There was for Confederate memorials

There were no memorials on the DC mall until the Vietnam Memorial.
After the Vietnam Memorial was built, Korean War vets said....how about us? Then WWII vets said.....how about us?

It was there in 1862 you blithering revisionist history idiot.

WHAT a was there in 1862?

 

[Faun]

You've been watching too many Klingon movies, Wimp.

>> During both of Robert E. Lee's invasions of the North—the Maryland Campaign during the fall of 1862 and the Gettysburg Campaign the following summer—the Army of Northern Virginia suffered serious attrition from "straggling" and desertion. Lee himself estimated that a third of his force was absent at the Battle of Antietam on September 17, 1862. Some of these men were too weak to maintain the year's punishing schedule of marching, especially after the grueling campaigns from the Seven Days through Second Manassas. Men suffered from a critical lack of shoes, clothing, and food, and, following the campaign, Lee quickly moved to fix problems in the Confederate quartermaster department. Other soldiers deserted not for lack of supplies but because they opposed on principle Lee's decision to take the war north. Still others probably deserted with no intention of returning, even when the army returned to Virginia.

... In August 1863, following defeat at Gettysburg, Confederate president Jefferson Davis offered a full amnesty for deserters in order to replenish the army's depleted ranks. French leaves, meanwhile, were authorized on the company level in order to help ward off longer-term desertions.

Desertions escalated substantially in the final months of the war, as Union general-in-chief Ulysses S. Grant finally broke through Lee's defense of Richmond and Petersburg, on April 2, 1865, and sent the Confederate army west in retreat. As many as several hundred men per night fled the army even before Richmond fell. On the march toward Appomattox, thousands more also deserted—mostly Virginians and North Carolinians, whose homes were already temptingly close.<< --- Desertion (Confederate) During the Civil War
​

Draft dodging and outright resistance was rampant as well, but this thread isn't about what went on during the War, Wimp. It's about the propaganda campaign that went on AFTER that War with the purpose of redefining what that War was for, Wimp. You and your Klingon GI Joe dolls are off topic.

The overlooked fact is that these monuments were not put up by grieving relatives at the conclusion of the war. They were erected 40 or more years after the war was over as a means to remind blacks of the “good ole days” and keep them in their place.
The erection of monuments coincided with the rise of the klan

A lot of Union war memorials weren't completed until many years after the end of hostilities as well. Ditto with other war memorials, like the WWII Memorial in Washington DC which wasn't erected until the 21st Century.


The coincidence that defunct groups like the Triple K were also arising at the time some memorials were being built is just that, a coincidence.

What the real reason here is that the Liberal Establishment wants to punish Southern Honkies by denying their existence and rubbing any trace of them from the face of the earth.- mainly because they don't put up that well with socialism. This is just one of the fronts they are working on in this quest

There wasn’t a push to construct Union war memorials after 1910. There was for Confederate memorials

There were no memorials on the DC mall until the Vietnam Memorial.
After the Vietnam Memorial was built, Korean War vets said....how about us? Then WWII vets said.....how about us?

It was there in 1862 you blithering revisionist history idiot.

WHAT a was there in 1862?

Bush92.

 

[Bush92]

You've been watching too many Klingon movies, Wimp.

>> During both of Robert E. Lee's invasions of the North—the Maryland Campaign during the fall of 1862 and the Gettysburg Campaign the following summer—the Army of Northern Virginia suffered serious attrition from "straggling" and desertion. Lee himself estimated that a third of his force was absent at the Battle of Antietam on September 17, 1862. Some of these men were too weak to maintain the year's punishing schedule of marching, especially after the grueling campaigns from the Seven Days through Second Manassas. Men suffered from a critical lack of shoes, clothing, and food, and, following the campaign, Lee quickly moved to fix problems in the Confederate quartermaster department. Other soldiers deserted not for lack of supplies but because they opposed on principle Lee's decision to take the war north. Still others probably deserted with no intention of returning, even when the army returned to Virginia.

... In August 1863, following defeat at Gettysburg, Confederate president Jefferson Davis offered a full amnesty for deserters in order to replenish the army's depleted ranks. French leaves, meanwhile, were authorized on the company level in order to help ward off longer-term desertions.

Desertions escalated substantially in the final months of the war, as Union general-in-chief Ulysses S. Grant finally broke through Lee's defense of Richmond and Petersburg, on April 2, 1865, and sent the Confederate army west in retreat. As many as several hundred men per night fled the army even before Richmond fell. On the march toward Appomattox, thousands more also deserted—mostly Virginians and North Carolinians, whose homes were already temptingly close.<< --- Desertion (Confederate) During the Civil War
​

Draft dodging and outright resistance was rampant as well, but this thread isn't about what went on during the War, Wimp. It's about the propaganda campaign that went on AFTER that War with the purpose of redefining what that War was for, Wimp. You and your Klingon GI Joe dolls are off topic.

The overlooked fact is that these monuments were not put up by grieving relatives at the conclusion of the war. They were erected 40 or more years after the war was over as a means to remind blacks of the “good ole days” and keep them in their place.
The erection of monuments coincided with the rise of the klan

A lot of Union war memorials weren't completed until many years after the end of hostilities as well. Ditto with other war memorials, like the WWII Memorial in Washington DC which wasn't erected until the 21st Century.


The coincidence that defunct groups like the Triple K were also arising at the time some memorials were being built is just that, a coincidence.

What the real reason here is that the Liberal Establishment wants to punish Southern Honkies by denying their existence and rubbing any trace of them from the face of the earth.- mainly because they don't put up that well with socialism. This is just one of the fronts they are working on in this quest

There wasn’t a push to construct Union war memorials after 1910. There was for Confederate memorials

There were no memorials on the DC mall until the Vietnam Memorial.
After the Vietnam Memorial was built, Korean War vets said....how about us? Then WWII vets said.....how about us?

It was there in 1862 you blithering revisionist history idiot.

WHAT a was there in 1862?

A union before you destroyed it, men enlisted from both sides. Often from same town. They stood arm by arm shoulder by shoulder and died that way.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They stood arm by arm shoulder by shoulder and died that way.

Like good little traitors should.

 

[Polishprince]

They stood arm by arm shoulder by shoulder and died that way.

Like good little traitors should.

Apparently, you missed the part of history where the Confederates were exonerated for treason. Most exonerated on Christmas Day, 1868 by President Johnson- and the last, President Jeff Davis exonerated by President Carter in 1978

 

[Bush92]

They stood arm by arm shoulder by shoulder and died that way.

Like good little traitors should.

You know nothing of honor. What a turd. Now you going to accuse me of racism “Dolemite?”

 

[Bush92]

They stood arm by arm shoulder by shoulder and died that way.

Like good little traitors should.

Apparently, you missed the part of history where the Confederates were exonerated for treason. Most exonerated on Christmas Day, 1868 by President Johnson- and the last, President Jeff Davis exonerated by President Carter in 1978

They never committed treason.

 

[Nostra]

The coincidence that defunct groups like the Triple K were also arising at the time some memorials were being built is just that, a coincidence.

BULLSHIT.

The groundwork was lain for the Klan already with the Lost Cause pushing this revisionist narrative. The KKK rose directly out of the sensation of the movie "Birth of a Nation" which in turn rose out of a wildly popular play based on the wildly popular novel "The Clansman" in 1905. ALL of those were narrative of the Cult of the Lost Cause, ALL of them depicting the worst racial stereotypes and ALL of them penetrated deep into the culture. Simmons' whole point in rekindling the Klan in 1915 was to capitalize on that cultural momentum by making the Klan people saw in the movie into a real thing that people could actually join, and in the process put money in his pocket. So when the Klan became a real thing it did so in a fertile field that was built for it to take off. Within a decade its members numbered in the millions from sea to shining sea, FAR outpacing the reach of the original 1865 Klan.

Moreover ALL of them -- the book, the play, the movie, the race riots, the segregation, the Jim Crow laws --- were taking place simultaneously with the UDC propaganda transmitter campaign. The statue in this thread was erected in 1907. Ten years later they were affixing a plaque to a building in Pulaski Tennessee to "honor" that building as the birthplace of the original KKK.

You sure know your party's history, Dimwinger.

 

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The coincidence that defunct groups like the Triple K were also arising at the time some memorials were being built is just that, a coincidence.

BULLSHIT.

The groundwork was lain for the Klan already with the Lost Cause pushing this revisionist narrative. The KKK rose directly out of the sensation of the movie "Birth of a Nation" which in turn rose out of a wildly popular play based on the wildly popular novel "The Clansman" in 1905. ALL of those were narrative of the Cult of the Lost Cause, ALL of them depicting the worst racial stereotypes and ALL of them penetrated deep into the culture. Simmons' whole point in rekindling the Klan in 1915 was to capitalize on that cultural momentum by making the Klan people saw in the movie into a real thing that people could actually join, and in the process put money in his pocket. So when the Klan became a real thing it did so in a fertile field that was built for it to take off. Within a decade its members numbered in the millions from sea to shining sea, FAR outpacing the reach of the original 1865 Klan.

Moreover ALL of them -- the book, the play, the movie, the race riots, the segregation, the Jim Crow laws --- were taking place simultaneously with the UDC propaganda transmitter campaign. The statue in this thread was erected in 1907. Ten years later they were affixing a plaque to a building in Pulaski Tennessee to "honor" that building as the birthplace of the original KKK.

You sure know your party's history, Dimwinger.

You don't learn history at parties, Dipweed. But yes, I do know whereof I speak before I speak it. What a concept.