Confirmed Again: IRS Targeting of Conservatives Came From the Top in Washington

[Oldstyle]

All of the above is very interesting, and if the allegations have empirical proof of law breaking, then, yes, this is a scandal of major proportions.

Right now, it is only hot air.

Since it may very well BE a "scandal of major proportions"...I take it that you're in favor of a complete investigation into those allegations?

 

[Plasmaball]

Selective enforcement of the law...is something that IS illegal. If those agents had used the same enforcement against liberal groups then you would be 100% correct in your assertion that nothing illegal was done but by their own admission that wasn't the case. The only thing in question at this point is who ordered it done and who knew about it BEING DONE?

which law?

That would fall under equal protection laws, Plasma. It's against the law to hold one set of people to the rule of law while excluding another group from the same treatment.

can you prove that didnt do this with any other groups?

Its amusing you use this as your evidence.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Any honest liberals out there who actually believe it was just a few rogue employees?

Any honest alleged "right wingers" out there who don't believe the order came from Obama?

anyone out there believe john gotti actually never gave an order to have anyone wacked?

Obama didn't give the order. The government is too big for any single person who sleeps at least 8 hours (of 24) a day to manage.

This is what I love about this scandal.

Either

1) Obama is the most tyrannical President in American history.

2) The Democrats are forced to admit that big overbearing government CANNOT be controlled by the people. This was the Chris Matthews line.

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However, it's more likely that Democrats will eat their own and throw Obama under the bus, even if it costs them 2014, 2016 and 2018, than admit their entire philosophy is shit.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

What jake is saying, is that he's pretty sure that any evidence has been scrubbed and any potential breaking of the law without proof is a crime well committed.

 

[bripat9643]

Selective enforcement of the law...is something that IS illegal. If those agents had used the same enforcement against liberal groups then you would be 100% correct in your assertion that nothing illegal was done but by their own admission that wasn't the case. The only thing in question at this point is who ordered it done and who knew about it BEING DONE?

Libtards don't have a problem with it because they thing simply being a conservative is criminal.

like being latin in Arizona.

No, being a Mexican citizen without a visa in Arizona is illegal.

 

[Spoonman]

Any honest alleged "right wingers" out there who don't believe the order came from Obama?

anyone out there believe john gotti actually never gave an order to have anyone wacked?

Obama didn't give the order. The government is too big for any single person who sleeps at least 8 hours (of 24) a day to manage.

This is what I love about this scandal.

Either

1) Obama is the most tyrannical President in American history.

2) The Democrats are forced to admit that big overbearing government CANNOT be controlled by the people. This was the Chris Matthews line.

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However, it's more likely that Democrats will eat their own and throw Obama under the bus, even if it costs them 2014, 2016 and 2018, than admit their entire philosophy is shit.

james madison had a solution for this. he called it the 2nd amendment

 

[Oldstyle]

which law?

That would fall under equal protection laws, Plasma. It's against the law to hold one set of people to the rule of law while excluding another group from the same treatment.

can you prove that didnt do this with any other groups?

Its amusing you use this as your evidence.

The IRS by it's own admission "proves" that was the case, Plasma! They apologized for doing just that. What's "amusing" is that you want me to prove something that they have already admitted that they were guilty of.

 

[Plasmaball]

Libtards don't have a problem with it because they thing simply being a conservative is criminal.

like being latin in Arizona.

No, being a Mexican citizen without a visa in Arizona is illegal.

well yes but that wasnt the issue now was it. What we have here is selective profiling outrage, produced by the same people who want to profile people in Arizona and profile Islamic People.

You all want it your way till the tables get turned and then you scream bloody murder about it. Quite laughable

 

[Plasmaball]

That would fall under equal protection laws, Plasma. It's against the law to hold one set of people to the rule of law while excluding another group from the same treatment.

can you prove that didnt do this with any other groups?

Its amusing you use this as your evidence.

The IRS by it's own admission "proves" that was the case, Plasma! They apologized for doing just that. What's "amusing" is that you want me to prove something that they have already admitted that they were guilty of.

where the arrests?

 

[Spoonman]

can you prove that didnt do this with any other groups?

Its amusing you use this as your evidence.

The IRS by it's own admission "proves" that was the case, Plasma! They apologized for doing just that. What's "amusing" is that you want me to prove something that they have already admitted that they were guilty of.

where the arrests?

charles rangel admitted he didn't pay taxes on all income he should have. was he ever arrested?

 

[Plasmaball]

The IRS by it's own admission "proves" that was the case, Plasma! They apologized for doing just that. What's "amusing" is that you want me to prove something that they have already admitted that they were guilty of.

where the arrests?

charles rangel admitted he didn't pay taxes on all income he should have. was he ever arrested?

they protect their own always, regardless if its a D or an R. He shouldnt be near that town.

Again where are the arrests?

 

[g5000]

Any honest liberals out there who actually believe it was just a few rogue employees?

Any honest alleged "right wingers" out there who don't believe the order came from Obama?

anyone out there believe john gotti actually never gave an order to have anyone wacked?

You really need a course in Logic. Not kidding.

You don't ask for evidence and just believe it is true because it confirms your bias.

I wish you could see just how stupid you people look when you think you are being clever. I kind of feel sad for you.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

anyone out there believe john gotti actually never gave an order to have anyone wacked?

Obama didn't give the order. The government is too big for any single person who sleeps at least 8 hours (of 24) a day to manage.

This is what I love about this scandal.

Either

1) Obama is the most tyrannical President in American history.

2) The Democrats are forced to admit that big overbearing government CANNOT be controlled by the people. This was the Chris Matthews line.

------------------

However, it's more likely that Democrats will eat their own and throw Obama under the bus, even if it costs them 2014, 2016 and 2018, than admit their entire philosophy is shit.

james madison had a solution for this. he called it the 2nd amendment

James Madison had a far easier solution to this, it's called the 10th Amendment (Nullification). The IRS is unconstitutional. The Congress only has power to Levy taxes, not to collect them, nullify the IRS.

If the Feds try to enforce the unconstitutionally laws and statues of the IRS, then we resort to the 2nd Amendment, with the entire County/State united in arms.

Federalist 28:

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair. The usurpers, clothed with the forms of legal authority, can too often crush the opposition in embryo. The smaller the extent of the territory, the more difficult will it be for the people to form a regular or systematic plan of opposition, and the more easy will it be to defeat their early efforts. Intelligence can be more speedily obtained of their preparations and movements, and the military force in the possession of the usurpers can be more rapidly directed against the part where the opposition has begun. In this situation there must be a peculiar coincidence of circumstances to insure success to the popular resistance.

The obstacles to usurpation and the facilities of resistance increase with the increased extent of the state, provided the citizens understand their rights and are disposed to defend them. The natural strength of the people in a large community, in proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater than in a small, and of course more competent to a struggle with the attempts of the government to establish a tyranny. But in a confederacy the people, without exaggeration, may be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate. Power being almost always the rival of power, the general government will at all times stand ready to check the usurpations of the state governments, and these will have the same disposition towards the general government. The people, by throwing themselves into either scale, will infallibly make it preponderate. If their rights are invaded by either, they can make use of the other as the instrument of redress. How wise will it be in them by cherishing the union to preserve to themselves an advantage which can never be too highly prized!

It may safely be received as an axiom in our political system, that the State governments will, in all possible contingencies, afford complete security against invasions of the public liberty by the national authority. Projects of usurpation cannot be masked under pretenses so likely to escape the penetration of select bodies of men, as of the people at large. The legislatures will have better means of information. They can discover the danger at a distance; and possessing all the organs of civil power, and the confidence of the people, they can at once adopt a regular plan of opposition, in which they can combine all the resources of the community. They can readily communicate with each other in the different States, and unite their common forces for the protection of their common liberty.

It's very unlikely the armed forces of the United States would open fire on an entire state or county, especially since slavery is no longer an issue, there would be no other BELIEVABLE pretense for the invasion and subjugation of a State now.

 

[bripat9643]

like being latin in Arizona.

No, being a Mexican citizen without a visa in Arizona is illegal.

well yes but that wasnt the issue now was it. What we have here is selective profiling outrage, produced by the same people who want to profile people in Arizona and profile Islamic People.

You all want it your way till the tables get turned and then you scream bloody murder about it. Quite laughable

Profiling wasn't an issue in the case of AZ, only the desire of leftwing groups to open the floodgates to illegal immigration.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What jake is saying, is that he's pretty sure that any evidence has been scrubbed and any potential breaking of the law without proof is a crime well committed.

I don't know if the proof is scrubbed, but if it is this will be a dead item in a week.

 

[Plasmaball]

No, being a Mexican citizen without a visa in Arizona is illegal.

well yes but that wasnt the issue now was it. What we have here is selective profiling outrage, produced by the same people who want to profile people in Arizona and profile Islamic People.

You all want it your way till the tables get turned and then you scream bloody murder about it. Quite laughable

Profiling wasn't an issue in the case of AZ, only the desire of leftwing groups to open the floodgates to illegal immigration.

yes it was, stop lying. This is why nobody takes you serious on these issues. The hypocrisy.

Either you treat it equally or you don't.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

No, being a Mexican citizen without a visa in Arizona is illegal.

well yes but that wasnt the issue now was it. What we have here is selective profiling outrage, produced by the same people who want to profile people in Arizona and profile Islamic People.

You all want it your way till the tables get turned and then you scream bloody murder about it. Quite laughable

Profiling wasn't an issue in the case of AZ, only the desire of leftwing groups to open the floodgates to illegal immigration.

Don't think the libtards are the only guilty party on this issue.

Illegal Immigrants have no standing in court, therefore they cant' sue (demand) proper wages, that devalues the legal American worker and themselves, only the corporations benefit from that practice.

 

[Cuyo]

The IRS certainly DID do something wrong, Cuyo! You can't have two sets of rules for people in this country based on their political viewpoint. That's wrong no matter WHO does it...liberal or conservative! If you can't understand that...then I don't knoT what to say to you.

There aren't two sets of rules. There's one, and the IRS correctly identified an axiom between groups with certain words in their titles, and disobedience with that one set of rules.

Unless you have evidence that there actually were two sets of rules, present it please.

If they didn't target thesegroups, why are they apologizing for it? Fo rfun? The cognition failure associated with this group of administration supporters is far,. FAR worse than those who blindly and obediently supported Bush.

IRS apologizes for targeting tea party groups

IRS apologizes for targeting tea party groups


By: STEPHEN OHLEMACHER (AP)
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Internal Revenue Service apologized Friday for what it acknowledged was "inappropriate" targeting of conservative political groups during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status.

Politicians gon' politik. There's a fauxrage to attend to, and they'll say whatever they believe will best quell it.

 

[bripat9643]

well yes but that wasnt the issue now was it. What we have here is selective profiling outrage, produced by the same people who want to profile people in Arizona and profile Islamic People.

You all want it your way till the tables get turned and then you scream bloody murder about it. Quite laughable

Profiling wasn't an issue in the case of AZ, only the desire of leftwing groups to open the floodgates to illegal immigration.

yes it was, stop lying. This is why nobody takes you serious on these issues. The hypocrisy.

Either you treat it equally or you don't.

The law did not involve profiling. End of story.

 

[Plasmaball]

Profiling wasn't an issue in the case of AZ, only the desire of leftwing groups to open the floodgates to illegal immigration.

yes it was, stop lying. This is why nobody takes you serious on these issues. The hypocrisy.

Either you treat it equally or you don't.

The law did not involve profiling. End of story.

sure it did. Look at you making excuses now. How sad.