Conservatives and Libertarians need to be allies

[NightFox]

I dont even know what that means. What kind of tax credit for every person working?

I mean no taxation.

Proving that narco-libertarians are really kooks.

What's a "narco-libertarian" ?

 

[PredFan]

Not going to happen. The only people we have less in common with the GOP are the DNC.

 

[MisterBeale]

Yet very few people know what 'libertarian' means, and there are a lot of misconceptions about it.

There are a lot of misconceptions about it because the MSM makes sure of that. Just the ignorance on the board should attest to that.

 

[MisterBeale]

Elizabeth Warren's speech, as viewed from a Libertarian. She's right, you didn't built that, the government helped. Now give back.

 

[RKMBrown]

"Conservatives" (whatever the fuck that's suppsed to mean anymore) need to knock it off with the Wilsonian international warmongering and nation building, "war on terror" nonsense, drug war thuggery and general police state bullshit to have a prayer of attracting libertarians.

Then they need to quit campaigning like fiscal libertarians and governing like socialists.

IOW, they don't have a prayer.

QFT... the ex-democrat neo-cons will fight to the death to continue to move the authoritarian right republicrat party to the socialist left while starting as many wars as it takes to maintain their voting ranks among the knuckle draggers who like to think of themselves as superior to everyone else.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Thanks to William F. Buckley I rejected liberalism decades ago. Mostly because I read an op ed with the headline "A Plea to Legalize Marijuana". Being a dedicated stoner at the time I was delighted to read the column, and astounded to find out he was a "conservative". It allowed me to consider the possibility I had been misled about what conservatism was.

I quickly found out I was wrong about a lot. I now reject liberalism in all it's forms. What few things I agree with liberals about has more to do with libertarian principles, because I don't believe liberals support these ideas because they're concerned with individual rights. Liberals only support "freedom" when it undermines religious morality and destabilizes social normality.

I'm a big fan of Penn Jillette, and I think Glen Beck represents a wholesome conservative perspective. I enjoyed this video below.

Glenn Beck talks to Penn Jillette, author of "Every Day is an Atheist Holiday! More Magical Tales" - YouTube

I think Chris Christie is a douchebag. The libertarian wing of the republicrat party needs to become dominant. The divisions among the right need to focus on defeating the collectivist PC thugs. Make their lives so miserable they decide to flee to Cuba. Libertarians and conservatives and even atheists are concerned about freedom. I think Penn makes a great argument that if these perspectives drag the republicrat party in that direction, we'll all end up agreeing most of the time on most every issue.

Focus on freedom, defeat the collectivist bed wetters. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

Get Jesus out of the conservative movement and save the GOP. It's that simple.

 

[RKMBrown]

IMO, since I'm a constitutional conservative, the republicans need to move to constitutional conservatism. But that is a purely selfish view given that I prefer liberty and independence over the peace love and tranquility of stat-isms like Fascism, Communism, Corporatism, etc...

 

[RKMBrown]

Thanks to William F. Buckley I rejected liberalism decades ago. Mostly because I read an op ed with the headline "A Plea to Legalize Marijuana". Being a dedicated stoner at the time I was delighted to read the column, and astounded to find out he was a "conservative". It allowed me to consider the possibility I had been misled about what conservatism was.

I quickly found out I was wrong about a lot. I now reject liberalism in all it's forms. What few things I agree with liberals about has more to do with libertarian principles, because I don't believe liberals support these ideas because they're concerned with individual rights. Liberals only support "freedom" when it undermines religious morality and destabilizes social normality.

I'm a big fan of Penn Jillette, and I think Glen Beck represents a wholesome conservative perspective. I enjoyed this video below.

Glenn Beck talks to Penn Jillette, author of "Every Day is an Atheist Holiday! More Magical Tales" - YouTube

I think Chris Christie is a douchebag. The libertarian wing of the republicrat party needs to become dominant. The divisions among the right need to focus on defeating the collectivist PC thugs. Make their lives so miserable they decide to flee to Cuba. Libertarians and conservatives and even atheists are concerned about freedom. I think Penn makes a great argument that if these perspectives drag the republicrat party in that direction, we'll all end up agreeing most of the time on most every issue.

Focus on freedom, defeat the collectivist bed wetters. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

Get Jesus out of the conservative movement and save the GOP. It's that simple.

I think you mean get the old testament out of the GOP. Not sure anything in the new testament could be considered dangerous to anyone.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Liberals only support "freedom" when it undermines religious morality and destabilizes social normality.

What constitutes ‘religious morality,’ and what religion, exactly?

And who determines what constitutes ‘social normality’? Conservatives?

This is yet another example of conservative authoritarianism, where most on the right seek to impose their subjective moral and religious beliefs on society as a whole.

And indeed liberals advocate for individual liberty by opposing conservative efforts to legislate morality, by supporting the Framers’ original intent that church and state remain separate.

The Liberty Clause of the Fifth Amendment guarantees every American the right to realize his own personal liberty, to define himself as an individual as he sees fit, free from government interference, despite what conservatives might perceive to be ‘social normality.’

And, while they're trying to pass more and more laws to control every move Americans make, they're telling us they want "smaller" government.

All in the name of Jesus, Brother Luddly. That is the underlying narrative, and it's working because the far right loonies have been convinced that Sharia Law is marching in and Obama is a Muslim.

It would be funny say, if we were watching this going on from a ski top resort in Finland with our money in the same bank in the Caymans where Romney keeps his.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Thanks to William F. Buckley I rejected liberalism decades ago. Mostly because I read an op ed with the headline "A Plea to Legalize Marijuana". Being a dedicated stoner at the time I was delighted to read the column, and astounded to find out he was a "conservative". It allowed me to consider the possibility I had been misled about what conservatism was.

I quickly found out I was wrong about a lot. I now reject liberalism in all it's forms. What few things I agree with liberals about has more to do with libertarian principles, because I don't believe liberals support these ideas because they're concerned with individual rights. Liberals only support "freedom" when it undermines religious morality and destabilizes social normality.

I'm a big fan of Penn Jillette, and I think Glen Beck represents a wholesome conservative perspective. I enjoyed this video below.

Glenn Beck talks to Penn Jillette, author of "Every Day is an Atheist Holiday! More Magical Tales" - YouTube

I think Chris Christie is a douchebag. The libertarian wing of the republicrat party needs to become dominant. The divisions among the right need to focus on defeating the collectivist PC thugs. Make their lives so miserable they decide to flee to Cuba. Libertarians and conservatives and even atheists are concerned about freedom. I think Penn makes a great argument that if these perspectives drag the republicrat party in that direction, we'll all end up agreeing most of the time on most every issue.

Focus on freedom, defeat the collectivist bed wetters. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

Get Jesus out of the conservative movement and save the GOP. It's that simple.

I think you mean get the old testament out of the GOP. Not sure anything in the new testament could be considered dangerous to anyone.

Separation of church and state, toots.....

 

[kwc57]

When it comes to economic matters, narco-libertarians and conservatives agree like 99.9% of the time. When it comes to social matters and foreign policy the narcos are far more like the old Left libs. Listen to Noam Trotsky on foreign policy and he sounds about like Ron Paul.

If the narco-libtards want any role in gov't they'll have to suck up the social part and get on board.

Yet the social part is what is killing the Republican party. Preach the Gospel to your heart's content in the churches and on the street corners, but not in your politics. Change men's hearts one at a time and it will color and influence their personal actions and how they vote. Force your particular brand of religious morality on those who don't want it thru legislation and fall from power. Simple as that and happening right before our eyes. Liberty is liberty. We can pay lip service to it or we can actually support and defend it.

 

[RKMBrown]

Get Jesus out of the conservative movement and save the GOP. It's that simple.

I think you mean get the old testament out of the GOP. Not sure anything in the new testament could be considered dangerous to anyone.

Separation of church and state, toots.....

If by separation of church and state you mean no laws prohibiting the free exercise of or establishing a state religion, I agree. If you mean the modern liberal view of making religion illegal in public spaces.... pick a finger.

 

[RKMBrown]

When it comes to economic matters, narco-libertarians and conservatives agree like 99.9% of the time. When it comes to social matters and foreign policy the narcos are far more like the old Left libs. Listen to Noam Trotsky on foreign policy and he sounds about like Ron Paul.

If the narco-libtards want any role in gov't they'll have to suck up the social part and get on board.

Yet the social part is what is killing the Republican party. Preach the Gospel to your heart's content in the churches and on the street corners, but not in your politics. Change men's hearts one at a time and it will color and influence their personal actions and how they vote. Force your particular brand of religious morality on those who don't want it thru legislation and fall from power. Simple as that and happening right before our eyes. Liberty is liberty. We can pay lip service to it or we can actually support and defend it.

Liberty is liberty. Heh... we don't all have the same definition of liberty.

Some folks think liberty means they have the right to walk all over other peoples liberties.

 

[dblack]

Conservatives and Libertarians need to be allies

Not going to happen.

Neo-con foreign policy alone will keep both apart.

I might just happen for exactly the reason you're saying it won't. The Democrats are providing a welcome home for the neo-cons. If libertarians and conservatives can push the remaining neo-cons out of the Republican party, we may have two parties with real ideological difference for a change, with the Democrats holding the line for corporatism and the neo-conservatism, and the Republicans turning to old-school liberalism (limited government, individual liberty, rule of law...).

Not likely, but possible.

 

[dblack]

I mean no taxation.

Proving that narco-libertarians are really kooks.

What's a "narco-libertarian" ?

It's Rabbi's own personal boogeyman.

 

[The Rabbi]

When it comes to economic matters, narco-libertarians and conservatives agree like 99.9% of the time. When it comes to social matters and foreign policy the narcos are far more like the old Left libs. Listen to Noam Trotsky on foreign policy and he sounds about like Ron Paul.

If the narco-libtards want any role in gov't they'll have to suck up the social part and get on board.

Yet the social part is what is killing the Republican party. Preach the Gospel to your heart's content in the churches and on the street corners, but not in your politics. Change men's hearts one at a time and it will color and influence their personal actions and how they vote. Force your particular brand of religious morality on those who don't want it thru legislation and fall from power. Simple as that and happening right before our eyes. Liberty is liberty. We can pay lip service to it or we can actually support and defend it.

Liberty is liberty. Heh... we don't all have the same definition of liberty.

Some folks think liberty means they have the right to walk all over other peoples liberties.

The social part is part of what makes the GOP the GOP. Dropping that would put us in with the narcos and the libs. Not to mention the calamity to society.

 

[The Rabbi]

Proving that narco-libertarians are really kooks.

What's a "narco-libertarian" ?

It's Rabbi's own personal boogeyman.

Its by analogy with narco-terrorists. Narco-terrorists use narcotics to further their agenda of destabilizing the regime. Narco-libertarians arent any different.

 

[RKMBrown]

Nah the democrats are only for government, union, and democrat owned corporations. Further the democrats are fundamentally against the war hawk pnac colonialist republican neo-con funded arms factories that are not being run by unions. Unless of course statism continues and the only major companies left are those owned by the democrats and funded by the "taxpayer."

 

[RKMBrown]

I'll become an ally with the republicans when they give up their never ending wars on liberty based on their irrational fears. The war on that which we fear (terrorism) is a war against freedom of sovereign states. It is colonialism. The republican wars on the liberty of minority groups of gays, single women, Hispanics, and Blacks is just asinine bigotry. The war on non-prescription drugs, aka. the drug war, is just plain stupidity.

 

[kwc57]

Yet the social part is what is killing the Republican party. Preach the Gospel to your heart's content in the churches and on the street corners, but not in your politics. Change men's hearts one at a time and it will color and influence their personal actions and how they vote. Force your particular brand of religious morality on those who don't want it thru legislation and fall from power. Simple as that and happening right before our eyes. Liberty is liberty. We can pay lip service to it or we can actually support and defend it.

Liberty is liberty. Heh... we don't all have the same definition of liberty.

Some folks think liberty means they have the right to walk all over other peoples liberties.

The social part is part of what makes the GOP the GOP. Dropping that would put us in with the narcos and the libs. Not to mention the calamity to society.

In 1980, Reagan courted the Christian Right for their vote. It was then that so much of the social conservative agenda became planks in the party platform. What makes the "GOP the GOP" that you know and love, was not the GOP prior to that. "Social"ism is socialism regardless of whether it is right or left.