Conservatives and Libertarians need to be allies

[thanatos144]

How about giving real freedom and free enterprise and real cuts in spending and bureaucracy a fair hearing in the arena of ideas, rather than smearing and lying about libertarians like liberoidals do?

Conservatives made it very clear in the last election that they want nothing to do with libertarians as they went on to lose in spectacular fashion.

According to a survey taken last year by YouGov (formerly Polimetrix) 11.9% of Republicans consider themselves to be libertarians. This is less than the 13.1% of Democrats who consider themselves to be libertarians.

According to the same survey, 43.6% of Republicans consider themselves to be born again Christians.

15.6% of Republicans favor major cuts in the military.

13.5% of Republicans favor major cuts in Social Security.

15.5% of Republicans favor major cuts in Medicare.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~benv/files/poll responses by party ID.pdf

If Mitt Romney had espoused a consistent libertarian program during the last election he would have lost in a landslide. If Congressional Republicans had, both houses of Congress would be controlled by the Democratic Party.

He did lose in a landslide.

you need to look up what a landslide election is.

 

[Pete7469]

Yet the social part is what is killing the Republican party. Preach the Gospel to your heart's content in the churches and on the street corners, but not in your politics. Change men's hearts one at a time and it will color and influence their personal actions and how they vote. Force your particular brand of religious morality on those who don't want it thru legislation and fall from power. Simple as that and happening right before our eyes. Liberty is liberty. We can pay lip service to it or we can actually support and defend it.

Then why is it that Republicans keep nominating MODERATE pussies who are not SOCIALLY conservative and they still lose?

Because in trying to please everyone and offend no one, they end up selecting a candidate that no one really supports. And which of the last few candidates were not socially conservative? Which ones were pro-abortion or for legalizing drugs? McCain? Romney? The Republican candidate always caters to the social conservatives because they believe they can't win without their vote.......yet the keep losing. How many times do they have to beat their head aganst the wall before they figure out why their head hurts?

I think a conservative who's steadfast on fiscal issues, and moderates the social ones could win easily. Most people do not want to be controlled. If repukes would ease up on the abortion issue, forget about fudgepacker weddings, and at least agree that pot decriminalization is preferable to what we're doing now they'd crush the democrooks.

 

[g5000]

"Conservatives" (whatever the fuck that's suppsed to mean anymore) need to knock it off with the Wilsonian international warmongering and nation building, "war on terror" nonsense, drug war thuggery and general police state bullshit to have a prayer of attracting libertarians.

Then they need to quit campaigning like fiscal libertarians and governing like socialists.

IOW, they don't have a prayer.

 

[Friends]

How about giving real freedom and free enterprise and real cuts in spending and bureaucracy a fair hearing in the arena of ideas, rather than smearing and lying about libertarians like liberoidals do?

Conservatives made it very clear in the last election that they want nothing to do with libertarians as they went on to lose in spectacular fashion.

According to a survey taken last year by YouGov (formerly Polimetrix) 11.9% of Republicans consider themselves to be libertarians. This is less than the 13.1% of Democrats who consider themselves to be libertarians.

According to the same survey, 43.6% of Republicans consider themselves to be born again Christians.

15.6% of Republicans favor major cuts in the military.

13.5% of Republicans favor major cuts in Social Security.

15.5% of Republicans favor major cuts in Medicare.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~benv/files/poll responses by party ID.pdf

If Mitt Romney had espoused a consistent libertarian program during the last election he would have lost in a landslide. If Congressional Republicans had, both houses of Congress would be controlled by the Democratic Party.

He did lose in a landslide.

In 2012 Mitt Romney won 47.2% percent of the vote.

United States presidential election, 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The closest we have had to a genuine libertarian Republican candidate since the 1920's was Barry Goldwater. During the 1964 election he received a well deserved public flogging of 38.5% of the vote.

United States presidential election, 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[g5000]

What's a "narco-libertarian" ?

It's Rabbi's own personal boogeyman.

Its by analogy with narco-terrorists. Narco-terrorists use narcotics to further their agenda of destabilizing the regime. Narco-libertarians arent any different.

The libertarian belief is that there would be no narco-terrorists if drugs were legal.

 

[Pete7469]

Ahh the ignorance of the potheads...

Insulting a person for working at a gas station isn't helpful. Retorts such as these aren't furthering a rational discussion.

I was hoping that those of us who aren't bed wetting liberals could discuss the issues maturely.

Just responding in the manner of the post.

I understand...

People are getting emotional. There's no need for it.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

According to a survey taken last year by YouGov (formerly Polimetrix) 11.9% of Republicans consider themselves to be libertarians. This is less than the 13.1% of Democrats who consider themselves to be libertarians.

According to the same survey, 43.6% of Republicans consider themselves to be born again Christians.

15.6% of Republicans favor major cuts in the military.

13.5% of Republicans favor major cuts in Social Security.

15.5% of Republicans favor major cuts in Medicare.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~benv/files/poll responses by party ID.pdf

If Mitt Romney had espoused a consistent libertarian program during the last election he would have lost in a landslide. If Congressional Republicans had, both houses of Congress would be controlled by the Democratic Party.

He did lose in a landslide.

you need to look up what a landslide election is.

Obama - 332
Romney - 206

That's what we call a whoopin'.

 

[thanatos144]

Then why is it that Republicans keep nominating MODERATE pussies who are not SOCIALLY conservative and they still lose?

Because in trying to please everyone and offend no one, they end up selecting a candidate that no one really supports. And which of the last few candidates were not socially conservative? Which ones were pro-abortion or for legalizing drugs? McCain? Romney? The Republican candidate always caters to the social conservatives because they believe they can't win without their vote.......yet the keep losing. How many times do they have to beat their head aganst the wall before they figure out why their head hurts?

I think a conservative who's steadfast on fiscal issues, and moderates the social ones could win easily. Most people do not want to be controlled. If repukes would ease up on the abortion issue, forget about fudgepacker weddings, and at least agree that pot decriminalization is preferable to what we're doing now they'd crush the democrooks.

As long as we ignore babies being killed and our Faith being attacked huh? I couldn't respect a person like this

 

[thanatos144]

He did lose in a landslide.

you need to look up what a landslide election is.

Obama - 332
Romney - 206

That's what we call a whoopin'.

Whopping yea landslide no

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Yes. Especially those who wear nametags to work.

Ahh the ignorance of the potheads...

Insulting a person for working at a gas station isn't helpful. Retorts such as these aren't furthering a rational discussion.

I was hoping that those of us who aren't bed wetting liberals could discuss the issues maturely.

Oh, Im sorry. I thought this was an entertainment thread. I haven't seen any rational discussion in here yet. Only incoherent ramblings of all the "top" players in every thread regarding libertarians. Corky, Rabbi, etc....

 

[Friends]

As long as we ignore babies being killed and our Faith being attacked huh? I couldn't respect a person like this

There are about three times as many people like you than people who are "fiscally conservative, socially liberal." That is why no genuinely libertarian political party could dominate the United States.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

you need to look up what a landslide election is.

Obama - 332
Romney - 206

That's what we call a whoopin'.

Whopping yea landslide no

Please explain the objective difference between these subjective terms.

 

[Dot Com]

According to a survey taken last year by YouGov (formerly Polimetrix) 11.9% of Republicans consider themselves to be libertarians. This is less than the 13.1% of Democrats who consider themselves to be libertarians.

According to the same survey, 43.6% of Republicans consider themselves to be born again Christians.

15.6% of Republicans favor major cuts in the military.

13.5% of Republicans favor major cuts in Social Security.

15.5% of Republicans favor major cuts in Medicare.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~benv/files/poll responses by party ID.pdf

If Mitt Romney had espoused a consistent libertarian program during the last election he would have lost in a landslide. If Congressional Republicans had, both houses of Congress would be controlled by the Democratic Party.

He did lose in a landslide.

In 2012 Mitt Romney won 47.2% percent of the vote.

United States presidential election, 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The closest we have had to a genuine libertarian Republican candidate since the 1920's was Barry Goldwater. During the 1964 election he received a well deserved public flogging of 38.5% of the vote.

United States presidential election, 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those look like..... why, yes they are- "facts"

 

[Friends]

He did lose in a landslide.

In 2012 Mitt Romney won 47.2% percent of the vote.

United States presidential election, 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The closest we have had to a genuine libertarian Republican candidate since the 1920's was Barry Goldwater. During the 1964 election he received a well deserved public flogging of 38.5% of the vote.

United States presidential election, 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those look like..... why, yes they are- "facts"

On internet forums one finds many people who have strong opinions unsupported by knowledge and intelligence.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Obama - 332
Romney - 206

That's what we call a whoopin'.

Whopping yea landslide no

Please explain the objective difference between these subjective terms.

You're asking an awful lot from a guy who doesn't understand the difference between your and you're, don't you think?

 

[thanatos144]

Obama - 332
Romney - 206

That's what we call a whoopin'.

Whopping yea landslide no

Please explain the objective difference between these subjective terms.

Look up Reagan elections

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Whopping yea landslide no

Please explain the objective difference between these subjective terms.

You're asking an awful lot from a guy who doesn't understand the difference between your and you're, don't you think?

But I'm just a child who needs these things explained to me, and he's "a adult."

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Please explain the objective difference between these subjective terms.

You're asking an awful lot from a guy who doesn't understand the difference between your and you're, don't you think?

But I'm just a child who needs these things explained to me, and he's "a adult."

Uh huh.

 

[Pete7469]

Because in trying to please everyone and offend no one, they end up selecting a candidate that no one really supports. And which of the last few candidates were not socially conservative? Which ones were pro-abortion or for legalizing drugs? McCain? Romney? The Republican candidate always caters to the social conservatives because they believe they can't win without their vote.......yet the keep losing. How many times do they have to beat their head aganst the wall before they figure out why their head hurts?

I think a conservative who's steadfast on fiscal issues, and moderates the social ones could win easily. Most people do not want to be controlled. If repukes would ease up on the abortion issue, forget about fudgepacker weddings, and at least agree that pot decriminalization is preferable to what we're doing now they'd crush the democrooks.

As long as we ignore babies being killed and our Faith being attacked huh? I couldn't respect a person like this

You're misrepresenting my post.

No one is saying ignore babies being killed. I'm saying abortion is a state issue. However when liberals abort their children, I would argue that's a plus. That's one less welfare recipient or criminal sociopath we have to house.

The attacks on people's religious displays aren't coming from the libertarian camp. Those are moonbats who are bigoted against Christians. Notice they never go after anything related to islam. All real libertarians IMO would respect people's religion.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Whopping yea landslide no

Please explain the objective difference between these subjective terms.

Look up Reagan elections

That there have been bigger landslides doesn't objectively prove that this wasn't a landslide.