Conservatives

[AnnECUCherry]

No, Jobs would have likely still been as successful no matter what the circumstances, although the most spoiled and well off people when they are young tend to screw up a lot more and wind up nothing but movie stars ...

... or President of the United States.

 

[KittenKoder]

No, Jobs would have likely still been as successful no matter what the circumstances, although the most spoiled and well off people when they are young tend to screw up a lot more and wind up nothing but movie stars ...

... or President of the United States.

Touche ...

 

[Annie]

No, Jobs would have likely still been as successful no matter what the circumstances, although the most spoiled and well off people when they are young tend to screw up a lot more and wind up nothing but movie stars ...

... or President of the United States.

Good post and glad to get you out of red.

 

[garyd]

Hitler was a socialist. He said so. the positional differences Between Mein Kampf and Das Capital are extremely limited. The Only difference between Moussolini's fascism and Stalins socialism can be found in the simple statement that Moussolini thought it quite possible to simultaneously be a good italian and a good Socialist. Mousolini claimed to be a socialist til his dying day.

You define conservatism as does every other illiterati on the left according to what your idiot leaders want not according to what is reality.

anarchy is on the extreme right of the political line Totalitarianism on the extreme left. The theft of individual liberty always happens as we move more toward the collective and further away from the individual rights that those of us on the right cherish and those on the left see as hindrance to their utopian ideal.

 

[edthecynic]

Hitler was a socialist. He said so.

He also SAID he was a Christian.

Don't you God fearing CON$ claim the American Left is Godless???

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison.
To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows.
For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe
I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

 

[garyd]

Au contraire in Mein Kampf Hitler didn't say he was a Christian he merely said he'd pretend to be one if that was what it took to get him where he wanted to go. His general comments on Christianity in Mein Kampf are not significantly less poisonous than anything Karl Marx -Groucho's most retarded brother for all the acclaim the left heaps upon the delusional tool - had to say.

 

[KittenKoder]

Ed ... many people of many religions have used their religious views (usually extremist versions) to justify their hatred and violence toward others. Adolf was just one of many, and though I do agree that there is a lot in their books that offer them excuses, not all christians go by the books for morals, they follow their hearts instead. Just as lumping all conservatives into one basket, and I know you hate it as much when all liberals are lumped into one as well (I do to). But you have to give before you can receive, and this is one where until you give them the benefit of the doubt you will not receive that same. There are some on both sides of every issue who just will not take off the blinders, but most will, as long as you do the same.

Being non-partisan does not mean avoiding all opinion, nor does it mean agreeing with everyone, it means you do not judge a person or their actions only on their party affiliation, it also means you have to ignore stereotypes.

 

[KittenKoder]

Au contraire in Mein Kampf Hitler didn't say he was a Christian he merely said he'd pretend to be one if that was what it took to get him where he wanted to go. His general comments on Christianity in Mein Kampf are not significantly less poisonous than anything Karl Marx -Groucho's most retarded brother for all the acclaim the left heaps upon the delusional tool - had to say.

No, he was christian, he just abused the beliefs for his own selfish purposes.

 

[DiveCon]

Au contraire in Mein Kampf Hitler didn't say he was a Christian he merely said he'd pretend to be one if that was what it took to get him where he wanted to go. His general comments on Christianity in Mein Kampf are not significantly less poisonous than anything Karl Marx -Groucho's most retarded brother for all the acclaim the left heaps upon the delusional tool - had to say.

No, he was christian, he just abused the beliefs for his own selfish purposes.

thats NOT being a christian

 

[edthecynic]

Hitler was a socialist. He said so.

He also SAID he was a Christian.

Don't you God fearing CON$ claim the American Left is Godless???

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison.
To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows.
For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe
I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

Au contraire in Mein Kampf Hitler didn't say he was a Christian he merely said he'd pretend to be one if that was what it took to get him where he wanted to go.

That seems to be a LEFT handed way of saying we can't trust what he says!

 

[KittenKoder]

Au contraire in Mein Kampf Hitler didn't say he was a Christian he merely said he'd pretend to be one if that was what it took to get him where he wanted to go. His general comments on Christianity in Mein Kampf are not significantly less poisonous than anything Karl Marx -Groucho's most retarded brother for all the acclaim the left heaps upon the delusional tool - had to say.

No, he was christian, he just abused the beliefs for his own selfish purposes.

thats NOT being a christian

Well, I would agree it's not being a good christian, but which religion one ascribes to is based on their beliefs. It's one reason being Jewish by blood is annoying, since you can't win with it, people ask what you are and you say Jewish and people often mistakenly think all Jews follow judaism.

 

[garyd]

READ What he said in Mein Kampf Kit and tell me where he makes any pretense about being a Christian for Real. Hell if he was anything religiously speaking he was an Occultist pagan. Look at all the freaking Nazi regalia none of it has Christian Origins. Almost all of it has to do with the old pagan Germanic myths, even his Aryan master race crap was founded on his own delusional notions regarding Germanic paganism. Hell he said more than once that Christianity was robbing the manhood of the German people. Even the Swastika itself was a pagan symbol and never a Christian one.

You really need to quit taking the crap you find at atheist web sites regarding Christianity seriously.

ED Hitler's speeches do not coincide frequently with his actual beliefs. Hitler was heavy into political expediency. Like every other leftist I have know for significant periods of time that were actually trying to get into office He was quite willing to say quite literally anything to get him a step closer to the brass ring which in most cases is political power. So no you couldn't trust him as far as you could throw a Tiger tank.

 

[KittenKoder]

READ What he said in Mein Kampf Kit and tell me where he makes any pretense about being a Christian for Real. Hell if he was anything religiously speaking he was an Occultist pagan. Look at all the freaking Nazi regalia none of it has Christian Origins. Almost all of it has to do with the old pagan Germanic myths, even his Aryan master race crap was founded on his own delusional notions regarding Germanic paganism. Hell he said more than once that Christianity was robbing the manhood of the German people. Even the Swastika itself was a pagan symbol and never a Christian one.

You really need to quit taking the crap you find at atheist web sites regarding Christianity seriously.

Wow ... really? Sorry to burst your bubble but I am not atheist, and I know his speeches in the original language, my grandfather would also tell stories of his fleeing Germany at the time. The Swastika was a broken cross, it was his take on the christian cross. The broken cross you are confusing it with was a pagan symbol for life, and is not at an angle. The angle was used because it was a broken christian cross, not the pagan one, which he used because he thought non-Catholics had lost their way, which is also why the Catholic church supported him so strongly at first, waning only after time.

Denying this only makes christians look bad, because it is a denial of history. No matter how bad it is, every religion has their insane zealots, denying that they were not followers of the religion does not change that, but accepting it does not make said religion bad.

 

[Yurt]

hitler's own words on the swastika:

In Mein Kampf, Hitler described the Nazis' new flag: "In red we see the social idea of the movement, in white the nationalistic idea, in the swastika the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work, which as such always has been and always will be anti-Semitic." (pg. 496-497)

nothing to do with christianity

 

[KittenKoder]

hitler's own words on the swastika:

In Mein Kampf, Hitler described the Nazis' new flag: "In red we see the social idea of the movement, in white the nationalistic idea, in the swastika the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work, which as such always has been and always will be anti-Semitic." (pg. 496-497)

nothing to do with christianity

*eye roll* Sorry, but this debate has become too redundant, so I won't bother today, but here's a clue: using part of one text, one of many, especially of a media sensationalized version, proves nothing.

 

[edthecynic]

Ed ... Just as lumping all conservatives into one basket, and I know you hate it as much when all liberals are lumped into one as well (I do to). But you have to give before you can receive, and this is one where until you give them the benefit of the doubt you will not receive that same. There are some on both sides of every issue who just will not take off the blinders, but most will, as long as you do the same.

Being non-partisan does not mean avoiding all opinion, nor does it mean agreeing with everyone, it means you do not judge a person or their actions only on their party affiliation, it also means you have to ignore stereotypes.

I greatly appreciate your kind and thoughtful reply. Thank you.

Of course, there is always a BUT...

You may have not seen some of my earlier posts, but I quoted LimpBoy a couple of times and was immediately accused of repeating some unnamed Lib site as my source and I said I got them from his own web site but couldn't post the link yet because I was below the threshold, I was given no "benefit" of any doubt, and in fact accused of excluding the date so 24/7 paying members couldn't check.
I had, in fact, posted the dates and anyone could have used quotation marks and googled the quotes since they were on his free side, at least they were when I copied them.
I have been stereotyped as an Obama voter when I actually voted third party. I have gotten 6 neg rep hits from DiveCon alone, basically for being "stupid" in disagreeing with him!

So that blade has to cut both ways. CON$ claim to be God fearing Christians, which means they PRACTICE the Golden Rule, so out of sincere respect for their PROFESSED beliefs, I have been treating them in kind. If they want to be treated differently then it's up to them to show they aren't ChINOs like Hitler and others, Christians in name only, for political purposes only.

Am I wrong?

 

[KittenKoder]

Ed, reread my post, focus on the words "most" and "some" this time please.

 

[Agnapostate]

They're all statist capitalists. That is all.

 

[edthecynic]

Ed, reread my post, focus on the words "most" and "some" this time please.

OK, thank you again.

 

[Bfgrn]

Hitler was a socialist. He said so. the positional differences Between Mein Kampf and Das Capital are extremely limited. The Only difference between Moussolini's fascism and Stalins socialism can be found in the simple statement that Moussolini thought it quite possible to simultaneously be a good italian and a good Socialist. Mousolini claimed to be a socialist til his dying day.

You define conservatism as does every other illiterati on the left according to what your idiot leaders want not according to what is reality.

anarchy is on the extreme right of the political line Totalitarianism on the extreme left. The theft of individual liberty always happens as we move more toward the collective and further away from the individual rights that those of us on the right cherish and those on the left see as hindrance to their utopian ideal.

You have it ass backwards... ALL the studies done on authoritarian personalities reveal a very small percentage come from the left...about 1%...they are called revolutionaries

The MOST "collective" statement uttered by a US president is: "You are either with us, or against us"...

And ALL you right wingers followed....