Constitution Wins...Trump Loses

Trump can't block users from his Twitter feed, federal judge rules

free speech..it's a thing:

"President Donald Trump cannot block Twitter users for the political views they have expressed, a federal judge in Manhattan ruled on Wednesday.

Blocking users from viewing his Twitter account — a feature offered by the social media platform — is unconstitutional and a violation of the First Amendment, Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald wrote in her ruling.

"While we must recognize, and are sensitive to, the President’s personal First Amendment rights, he cannot exercise those rights in a way that infringes the corresponding First Amendment rights of those who have criticized him," Buchwald wrote.

The government had argued that blocked individuals could still access the president’s tweets. The judge agreed but said that even considering the president's First Amendment rights, preventing users from interacting directly with him on Twitter represented a violation of a "real, albeit narrow, slice of speech.""


I call shenanigans. Your post has nothing to do with respect for The Constitution. If you had any, you'd be standing up for the free speech of conservatives on college campuses and for the 2A rights of Normal People.
 
You guys are focusing on the wrong part of the First Amendment.

This isn't about "freedom of speech", this is about the right to petition the government.
You are such a moron hahahahaha.

Trump preventing vicious trolls, criminals and anti-US operatives from harrassing him online doesn't mean they lose their right to petition the government.

The stupidity level you exhibit is right up there with Coyote's brilliant "we can't compare Sweden and the USA rape numbers because rape isn't as bad in Sweden. It's not really rape when it happens there."

But it all springs from the same place...leftists want to destroy us. They don't care how it gets done, or what stupidities they must wrap their lips around to get it done.

You are the quintessential *useful idiot* except you're so much of an idiot, you hurt your cause more than you help it.

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Trump can't block users from his Twitter feed, federal judge rules

free speech..it's a thing:

"President Donald Trump cannot block Twitter users for the political views they have expressed, a federal judge in Manhattan ruled on Wednesday.

Blocking users from viewing his Twitter account — a feature offered by the social media platform — is unconstitutional and a violation of the First Amendment, Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald wrote in her ruling.

"While we must recognize, and are sensitive to, the President’s personal First Amendment rights, he cannot exercise those rights in a way that infringes the corresponding First Amendment rights of those who have criticized him," Buchwald wrote.

The government had argued that blocked individuals could still access the president’s tweets. The judge agreed but said that even considering the president's First Amendment rights, preventing users from interacting directly with him on Twitter represented a violation of a "real, albeit narrow, slice of speech.""


I call shenanigans. Your post has nothing to do with respect for The Constitution. If you had any, you'd be standing up for the free speech of conservatives on college campuses and for the 2A rights of Normal People.
When they say they're defending the Constitution, they're lying.

Leftists will never do anything that supports or strengthens the constitution. what they are doing is PERVERTING the Constitution, so they can pretend it protects the rights of criminals, shills, spies, hostile operatives, and various and assorted federal trolls to harass, threaten and harm our president on his own twitter feed.

It's just another instance of them supporting the actions of criminals and enemies of our country for the purpose of overthrowing our government.

In reality, it's illegal for them to defend it. It's considered *conspiracy*.
 
This isn't about "freedom of speech", this is about the right to petition the government.
that's the legal argument, what I addressed in my post [or was trying to address]was that the ruling does not apply to private posts/tweets or posts/tweets made by the average joe [they can still use the right to block] all trump needs to do is use one of those avenues or any numerous ways to post/tweet as a citizen [ironically enough that would require him keeping it to personal attacks and not policy]...the media is not really interested in being able to petition the government in this case as much as it is interested in shutting down trumps ability to stop them from filtering his message, so they will pursue other ways to silence him all in the name of "freedom of speech".
 
This isn't about "freedom of speech", this is about the right to petition the government.
that's the legal argument, what I addressed in my post [or was trying to address]was that the ruling does not apply to private posts/tweets or posts/tweets made by the average joe [they can still use the right to block] all trump needs to do is use one of those avenues or any numerous ways to post/tweet as a citizen [ironically enough that would require him keeping it to personal attacks and not policy]...the media is not really interested in being able to petition the government in this case as much as it is interested in shutting down trumps ability to stop them from filtering his message, so they will pursue other ways to silence him all in the name of "freedom of speech".
EXACTLY.

This is all about limiting Trump's direct access to voters. The ardent hope of the anti-American leftist enemies is that the huge swell of troll threats and harassment will cause the twitter feed to be shut down.
 
Incidentally, whenever the fbi is featured negatively on any sort of live feed they have paid fbi (and they outsource to the EPA and other fed agencies) trolls who FLOOD the feed, in order to make it impossible for people to interact or even watch the feed.

This is what they do with Twitter as well..and it's the same people. Federal employees who pose as real people.
 
But Trump is using the services of a private organization that isn't necessarily governed by the Constitution. How can Trump be violating anyone's first amendment rights when Twitter gave him the ability to block people following his account in the first place?

This ruling is flawed.


Exactly, so now nobody can block anyone or ignore someone like they can do here.
exactly what I said I guess on another thread. And goes for youtube or facebook.

You are not the Govt, thus you do not have to provide freedom of speech...have you ever even read the Constitution?


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Yes, and nowhere does the government provide freedom of speech.

It is a natural right and is not provided by a government.
 
This isn't about "freedom of speech", this is about the right to petition the government.
that's the legal argument, what I addressed in my post [or was trying to address]was that the ruling does not apply to private posts/tweets or posts/tweets made by the average joe [they can still use the right to block] all trump needs to do is use one of those avenues or any numerous ways to post/tweet as a citizen [ironically enough that would require him keeping it to personal attacks and not policy]...the media is not really interested in being able to petition the government in this case as much as it is interested in shutting down trumps ability to stop them from filtering his message, so they will pursue other ways to silence him all in the name of "freedom of speech".

You're basically right - if Trump hadn't made his Twitter feed an official organ of the White House, this ruling would likely have come out the other way.
 
Trump can't block users from his Twitter feed, federal judge rules

free speech..it's a thing:

"President Donald Trump cannot block Twitter users for the political views they have expressed, a federal judge in Manhattan ruled on Wednesday.

Blocking users from viewing his Twitter account — a feature offered by the social media platform — is unconstitutional and a violation of the First Amendment, Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald wrote in her ruling.

"While we must recognize, and are sensitive to, the President’s personal First Amendment rights, he cannot exercise those rights in a way that infringes the corresponding First Amendment rights of those who have criticized him," Buchwald wrote.

The government had argued that blocked individuals could still access the president’s tweets. The judge agreed but said that even considering the president's First Amendment rights, preventing users from interacting directly with him on Twitter represented a violation of a "real, albeit narrow, slice of speech.""

The First Amendment addresses the inability of Congress to pass a law that abridges free speech.
Twitter and whomever uses it, or who that person may or may not block ... In no way represents Congress passing a law that abridges free speech.

Nor does the President blocking another user prevent that user from exercising free speech ...
They can post whatever they want on their own account.

Judges cannot legislate from the bench ...
Nor can they reinterpret the Constitution to add provisions that don't exist.

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Trump can't block users from his Twitter feed, federal judge rules

free speech..it's a thing:

"President Donald Trump cannot block Twitter users for the political views they have expressed, a federal judge in Manhattan ruled on Wednesday.

Blocking users from viewing his Twitter account — a feature offered by the social media platform — is unconstitutional and a violation of the First Amendment, Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald wrote in her ruling.

"While we must recognize, and are sensitive to, the President’s personal First Amendment rights, he cannot exercise those rights in a way that infringes the corresponding First Amendment rights of those who have criticized him," Buchwald wrote.

The government had argued that blocked individuals could still access the president’s tweets. The judge agreed but said that even considering the president's First Amendment rights, preventing users from interacting directly with him on Twitter represented a violation of a "real, albeit narrow, slice of speech.""

The First Amendment addresses the inability of Congress to pass a law that abridges free speech.
Twitter and whomever uses it, or who that person may or may not block ... In no way represents Congress passing a law that abridges free speech.

Nor does the President blacking another user prevent that user from exercising free speech ...
They can post whatever they want on their own account.

Judges cannot legislate from the bench ...
Nor can they reinterpret the Constitution to add provisions that don't exist.

.

You're focusing on the first sentence of the First Amendment.

Read the last sentence - that's what this ruling is based on.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 
Trump can't block users from his Twitter feed, federal judge rules

free speech..it's a thing:

"President Donald Trump cannot block Twitter users for the political views they have expressed, a federal judge in Manhattan ruled on Wednesday.

Blocking users from viewing his Twitter account — a feature offered by the social media platform — is unconstitutional and a violation of the First Amendment, Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald wrote in her ruling.

"While we must recognize, and are sensitive to, the President’s personal First Amendment rights, he cannot exercise those rights in a way that infringes the corresponding First Amendment rights of those who have criticized him," Buchwald wrote.

The government had argued that blocked individuals could still access the president’s tweets. The judge agreed but said that even considering the president's First Amendment rights, preventing users from interacting directly with him on Twitter represented a violation of a "real, albeit narrow, slice of speech.""

The First Amendment addresses the inability of Congress to pass a law that abridges free speech.
Twitter and whomever uses it, or who that person may or may not block ... In no way represents Congress passing a law that abridges free speech.

Nor does the President blacking another user prevent that user from exercising free speech ...
They can post whatever they want on their own account.

Judges cannot legislate from the bench ...
Nor can they reinterpret the Constitution to add provisions that don't exist.

.

You're focusing on the first sentence of the First Amendment.

Read the last sentence - that's what this ruling is based on.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Nothing is stopping the ability of the user to redress their grievance ...
They can even do so on Twitter if they feel like it.

And it doesn't matter anyway ... Because Congress still didn't pass a law that prohibits the user from redressing their grievance.

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Trump can't block users from his Twitter feed, federal judge rules

free speech..it's a thing:

"President Donald Trump cannot block Twitter users for the political views they have expressed, a federal judge in Manhattan ruled on Wednesday.

Blocking users from viewing his Twitter account — a feature offered by the social media platform — is unconstitutional and a violation of the First Amendment, Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald wrote in her ruling.

"While we must recognize, and are sensitive to, the President’s personal First Amendment rights, he cannot exercise those rights in a way that infringes the corresponding First Amendment rights of those who have criticized him," Buchwald wrote.

The government had argued that blocked individuals could still access the president’s tweets. The judge agreed but said that even considering the president's First Amendment rights, preventing users from interacting directly with him on Twitter represented a violation of a "real, albeit narrow, slice of speech.""

The First Amendment addresses the inability of Congress to pass a law that abridges free speech.
Twitter and whomever uses it, or who that person may or may not block ... In no way represents Congress passing a law that abridges free speech.

Nor does the President blacking another user prevent that user from exercising free speech ...
They can post whatever they want on their own account.

Judges cannot legislate from the bench ...
Nor can they reinterpret the Constitution to add provisions that don't exist.

.

You're focusing on the first sentence of the First Amendment.

Read the last sentence - that's what this ruling is based on.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Nothing is stopping the ability of the user to redress their grievance ...
They can even do so on Twitter if they feel like it.

And it doesn't matter anyway ... Because Congress still didn't pass a law that prohibits the user from redressing their grievance.

.

The First Amendment is fully incorporated. It applies to all branches of government, state and federal. It is not limited to the legislative branch.

Incorporation of the Bill of Rights - Wikipedia
 
This isn't about "freedom of speech", this is about the right to petition the government.
that's the legal argument, what I addressed in my post [or was trying to address]was that the ruling does not apply to private posts/tweets or posts/tweets made by the average joe [they can still use the right to block] all trump needs to do is use one of those avenues or any numerous ways to post/tweet as a citizen [ironically enough that would require him keeping it to personal attacks and not policy]...the media is not really interested in being able to petition the government in this case as much as it is interested in shutting down trumps ability to stop them from filtering his message, so they will pursue other ways to silence him all in the name of "freedom of speech".

You're basically right - if Trump hadn't made his Twitter feed an official organ of the White House, this ruling would likely have come out the other way.
It is declaratory relief, not injunctive relief. Trump can legally ignore it.
 
Trump can't block users from his Twitter feed, federal judge rules

free speech..it's a thing:

"President Donald Trump cannot block Twitter users for the political views they have expressed, a federal judge in Manhattan ruled on Wednesday.

Blocking users from viewing his Twitter account — a feature offered by the social media platform — is unconstitutional and a violation of the First Amendment, Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald wrote in her ruling.

"While we must recognize, and are sensitive to, the President’s personal First Amendment rights, he cannot exercise those rights in a way that infringes the corresponding First Amendment rights of those who have criticized him," Buchwald wrote.

The government had argued that blocked individuals could still access the president’s tweets. The judge agreed but said that even considering the president's First Amendment rights, preventing users from interacting directly with him on Twitter represented a violation of a "real, albeit narrow, slice of speech.""

The First Amendment addresses the inability of Congress to pass a law that abridges free speech.
Twitter and whomever uses it, or who that person may or may not block ... In no way represents Congress passing a law that abridges free speech.

Nor does the President blacking another user prevent that user from exercising free speech ...
They can post whatever they want on their own account.

Judges cannot legislate from the bench ...
Nor can they reinterpret the Constitution to add provisions that don't exist.

.

You're focusing on the first sentence of the First Amendment.

Read the last sentence - that's what this ruling is based on.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Nothing is stopping the ability of the user to redress their grievance ...
They can even do so on Twitter if they feel like it.

And it doesn't matter anyway ... Because Congress still didn't pass a law that prohibits the user from redressing their grievance.

.

The First Amendment is fully incorporated. It applies to all branches of government, state and federal. It is not limited to the legislative branch.

Incorporation of the Bill of Rights - Wikipedia
Nothing is preventing the user from saying whatever they want on their Twitter account ... Unless they screw up and Twitter bans them ... :thup:

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Trump can't block users from his Twitter feed, federal judge rules

free speech..it's a thing:

"President Donald Trump cannot block Twitter users for the political views they have expressed, a federal judge in Manhattan ruled on Wednesday.

Blocking users from viewing his Twitter account — a feature offered by the social media platform — is unconstitutional and a violation of the First Amendment, Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald wrote in her ruling.

"While we must recognize, and are sensitive to, the President’s personal First Amendment rights, he cannot exercise those rights in a way that infringes the corresponding First Amendment rights of those who have criticized him," Buchwald wrote.

The government had argued that blocked individuals could still access the president’s tweets. The judge agreed but said that even considering the president's First Amendment rights, preventing users from interacting directly with him on Twitter represented a violation of a "real, albeit narrow, slice of speech.""

The First Amendment addresses the inability of Congress to pass a law that abridges free speech.
Twitter and whomever uses it, or who that person may or may not block ... In no way represents Congress passing a law that abridges free speech.

Nor does the President blacking another user prevent that user from exercising free speech ...
They can post whatever they want on their own account.

Judges cannot legislate from the bench ...
Nor can they reinterpret the Constitution to add provisions that don't exist.

.

You're focusing on the first sentence of the First Amendment.

Read the last sentence - that's what this ruling is based on.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Nothing is stopping the ability of the user to redress their grievance ...
They can even do so on Twitter if they feel like it.

And it doesn't matter anyway ... Because Congress still didn't pass a law that prohibits the user from redressing their grievance.

.

The First Amendment is fully incorporated. It applies to all branches of government, state and federal. It is not limited to the legislative branch.

Incorporation of the Bill of Rights - Wikipedia
Nothing is preventing the user from saying whatever they want on their Twitter account ... Unless they screw up and Twitter bans them ... :thup:

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By blocking people on Twitter, Trump is denying them the right to respond to his official government pronouncements. He doesn't have to read those responses, but he can't stop people from making them.
 
This isn't about "freedom of speech", this is about the right to petition the government.
that's the legal argument, what I addressed in my post [or was trying to address]was that the ruling does not apply to private posts/tweets or posts/tweets made by the average joe [they can still use the right to block] all trump needs to do is use one of those avenues or any numerous ways to post/tweet as a citizen [ironically enough that would require him keeping it to personal attacks and not policy]...the media is not really interested in being able to petition the government in this case as much as it is interested in shutting down trumps ability to stop them from filtering his message, so they will pursue other ways to silence him all in the name of "freedom of speech".

You're basically right - if Trump hadn't made his Twitter feed an official organ of the White House, this ruling would likely have come out the other way.
It is declaratory relief, not injunctive relief. Trump can legally ignore it.

For now.
 
The First Amendment addresses the inability of Congress to pass a law that abridges free speech.
Twitter and whomever uses it, or who that person may or may not block ... In no way represents Congress passing a law that abridges free speech.

Nor does the President blacking another user prevent that user from exercising free speech ...
They can post whatever they want on their own account.

Judges cannot legislate from the bench ...
Nor can they reinterpret the Constitution to add provisions that don't exist.

.

You're focusing on the first sentence of the First Amendment.

Read the last sentence - that's what this ruling is based on.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Nothing is stopping the ability of the user to redress their grievance ...
They can even do so on Twitter if they feel like it.

And it doesn't matter anyway ... Because Congress still didn't pass a law that prohibits the user from redressing their grievance.

.

The First Amendment is fully incorporated. It applies to all branches of government, state and federal. It is not limited to the legislative branch.

Incorporation of the Bill of Rights - Wikipedia
Nothing is preventing the user from saying whatever they want on their Twitter account ... Unless they screw up and Twitter bans them ... :thup:

.

By blocking people on Twitter, Trump is denying them the right to respond to his official government pronouncements. He doesn't have to read those responses, but he can't stop people from making them.
He can stop them from using his account to make them.
 
This isn't about "freedom of speech", this is about the right to petition the government.
that's the legal argument, what I addressed in my post [or was trying to address]was that the ruling does not apply to private posts/tweets or posts/tweets made by the average joe [they can still use the right to block] all trump needs to do is use one of those avenues or any numerous ways to post/tweet as a citizen [ironically enough that would require him keeping it to personal attacks and not policy]...the media is not really interested in being able to petition the government in this case as much as it is interested in shutting down trumps ability to stop them from filtering his message, so they will pursue other ways to silence him all in the name of "freedom of speech".

You're basically right - if Trump hadn't made his Twitter feed an official organ of the White House, this ruling would likely have come out the other way.
It is declaratory relief, not injunctive relief. Trump can legally ignore it.

For now.
Isn't now what we're talking about?
 

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