Constitutional Right To Peacefully Assemble Latest 'Victim' of Govt COVID-19 Crackdown

[Pogo]

She tried to, yes. Worked under an assumed name.

---- And? You know why?

Her intent is established. What more do you want?

Her intent being to work, after being prohibited from working as a cook.

 

[WEATHER53]

1. Do my constitutional rights give me the right to put other people in danger?

I think the courts have consistently said...no.

Is there a cobstitutional right precluding you from the chances of being exposed to a health issue especially considering that preclusion involves the taking of rights from others?

 

[HenryBHough]

When you want your rights back asking won't help.
You're going to have to take them back.
But don't even ask unless you're willing to fight for those rights.
Fight fast and dirty.

I feel bad for those who live in cities where the utilities are all undergroundl
Where are the lampposts when people need the most?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So you're saying that restaurant employee can ignore the sign?

Yes. They can also get fired.

A sign which is btw typically a state law....

Which does not limit constitutionally protected rights.

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[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Is there a cobstitutional right precluding you from the chances of being exposed to a health issue especially considering that preclusion involves the taking of rights from others?

EXACTLY.

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[Lysistrata]

Govt flexes muscle to show citizens / Constitution / Founding Fathers who's 'Boss'....



One Arrested as Raleigh, NC Police Suspend First Amendment; Declare Coronavirus Lockdown Protest “Non-Essential Activity”

'Raleigh, North Carolina police suspended the First Amendment Tuesday, dispersing a protest against the COVID-19 Chinese coronavirus lockdown and arresting one protester for failing to disperse. The police issued a statement declaring “Protesting is a non-essential activity” that was in violation of an executive order by Governor Roy Cooper (D) prohibiting mass gatherings.'

What is considered 'non-essential activity' by the government is a right protected by the Constitution from a government who seeks to quell all peaceful assemblies...

Add this one to the list of Constitutional Rights - like exercise of religious freedom - being trampled in the name of 'preventing the spread of CPVID-19'.

One Arrested as Raleigh, NC Police Suspend First Amendment; Declare Coronavirus Lockdown Protest "Non-Essential Activity"

Raleigh, North Carolina police suspended the First Amendment Tuesday, dispersing a protest against the COVID-19 Chinese coronavirus lockdown and arresting one protester for failing to disperse. The police issued a statement declaring “Protesting is a non-essential activity” that was in violation...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

You must be upset at the Fifth Circuit's recent decision in the Texas abortion-ban case, in which the two-person majority, referencing a Supreme Court decision, stated that "Jacobson instructs that all constitutional rights may be reasonably restricted to combat a public health emergency."

http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/20/20-50264-CV0.pdf
(see page 15) Docket number 20-50264, April 7, 2020

 

[freyasman]

Govt flexes muscle to show citizens / Constitution / Founding Fathers who's 'Boss'....



One Arrested as Raleigh, NC Police Suspend First Amendment; Declare Coronavirus Lockdown Protest “Non-Essential Activity”

'Raleigh, North Carolina police suspended the First Amendment Tuesday, dispersing a protest against the COVID-19 Chinese coronavirus lockdown and arresting one protester for failing to disperse. The police issued a statement declaring “Protesting is a non-essential activity” that was in violation of an executive order by Governor Roy Cooper (D) prohibiting mass gatherings.'

What is considered 'non-essential activity' by the government is a right protected by the Constitution from a government who seeks to quell all peaceful assemblies...

Add this one to the list of Constitutional Rights - like exercise of religious freedom - being trampled in the name of 'preventing the spread of CPVID-19'.

One Arrested as Raleigh, NC Police Suspend First Amendment; Declare Coronavirus Lockdown Protest "Non-Essential Activity"

Raleigh, North Carolina police suspended the First Amendment Tuesday, dispersing a protest against the COVID-19 Chinese coronavirus lockdown and arresting one protester for failing to disperse. The police issued a statement declaring “Protesting is a non-essential activity” that was in violation...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

The Trumpanzee cult members just can't accept the fact that their "freedoms" end when they endanger the rest of us. But, then again, that's why they are Trumpanzees! Bigly!!!

How's that, exactly?
I didn't see anyone saying you had to gather in large groups, just that you could if you chose to.......... so how the hell is this behavior going to affect anyone who chooses not to?

Freedom is when you decide for yourself.

 

[Pogo]

1. Do my constitutional rights give me the right to put other people in danger?

I think the courts have consistently said...no.

Is there a cobstitutional right precluding you from the chances of being exposed to a health issue especially considering that preclusion involves the taking of rights from others?

What, like when you can't smoke in a restaurant or on a plane?

Or you mean like the right to take a dump and then go back to work in the kitchen without washing your hands?

 

[lantern2814]

Govt flexes muscle to show citizens / Constitution / Founding Fathers who's 'Boss'....



One Arrested as Raleigh, NC Police Suspend First Amendment; Declare Coronavirus Lockdown Protest “Non-Essential Activity”

'Raleigh, North Carolina police suspended the First Amendment Tuesday, dispersing a protest against the COVID-19 Chinese coronavirus lockdown and arresting one protester for failing to disperse. The police issued a statement declaring “Protesting is a non-essential activity” that was in violation of an executive order by Governor Roy Cooper (D) prohibiting mass gatherings.'

What is considered 'non-essential activity' by the government is a right protected by the Constitution from a government who seeks to quell all peaceful assemblies...

Add this one to the list of Constitutional Rights - like exercise of religious freedom - being trampled in the name of 'preventing the spread of CPVID-19'.

One Arrested as Raleigh, NC Police Suspend First Amendment; Declare Coronavirus Lockdown Protest "Non-Essential Activity"

Raleigh, North Carolina police suspended the First Amendment Tuesday, dispersing a protest against the COVID-19 Chinese coronavirus lockdown and arresting one protester for failing to disperse. The police issued a statement declaring “Protesting is a non-essential activity” that was in violation...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Here's what y'all infectophiles keep missing.

-- What's the adverb before the word "assemble"? "Peacefully".

Therefore an assembly of, say, a lynch mob would be an assembly but not a "peaceful" one, agreed?

Whelp, same for a congregation that huddles together despite a known contagious infection going around. One uses a rope, the other uses a virus.

Think about it.

I thought about it...and it's stupid.

I did not ignore the word 'peacefully' at all.

You are trying to compare a racist lynch mob with Americans being forced to stay at home, denied their rights to exercise their freedom of religion, and denied their right to peacefully assemble.

There is no danger to their freedom of religion. They can live stream any service they choose without endangering their lives.

To portray a public health crisis as an attack on personal freedom, shows that the religious right has collectively, lost their minds. Personally, if these fools want to get together and spread the virus amongst themselves, by all means. The fewer Trump voters the better.

But sadly, these deranged idiots will not only infect themselves, but their innocent offspring, and their neighbours, shopkeepers, and countless thousands of others. So as much as watching Trumps base disappear by virtue of their own hubris, is enjoyable, if each of these people takes down 3 innocent bystanders, it's never going to end.

Personally, I have found this to be a far more Christian, religious, and spiritual Easter than the usual consumer chocolate and bunny filled extravaganza that retail America has turn the holiday into. Rabbits, eggs, candy, are the symbols of the spring pagan fertility festivals our European ancestors retained when they converted to Christianity. Just as the Pagan Christmas tree has been adopted as the Christian symbol of his birth, rabbits carrying baskets of candy have become the symbol of his death.

I'm also noticing that TV ads don't scream buy, buy, buy, during this pandemic. Advertizers are now urging us to stay home and contain the virus. The model of consumer frenzie that the American economy encourages has left your workers sick and dying, and without health care. You need to stop, take a break and look and what you're doing to your fellow citizens, and just who is being forced back to work here.

Your economy only works if it is continually expanding, and growing larger. And the profits from all of that growth are only going to 20% of your population. The lower 40% is being asked to do more and more with less and less, and told to like it. No overtime, no health care, no child care, no vacations, no maternity leave. 9 increases to the minimum wage in 40 years.

That lower 40% are the people who are getting sick and dying. Until you fix that. Until those people have a living wage, and health care and sick leave. Your country will never fully re-open.

1. Cheap, quick and accurate testing for everyone;

2. PPE's for all workers who need them

3. Universal Health Care and sick leave

And Americans will never be allowed into other countries. You'll just be this outlaw country where the virus rages around and everyone is getting it. Trump wanted America alone. Well, you got it!!!

Are you tired of all of this winning yet?

Nice fantasy there. Now put down the pipe and try to see reality. Oh that’s right, your TDS makes that impossible.

 

[freyasman]

I propose that these church groups continue to meet and that the minister who convenes them, gets charged gross negligence causing death, for every one of his/her parishoners who dies after attending one of his gatherings.

Criminally negligent homicide? Seriously?

Not homicide - death. Legally, there is a difference. You won't be charged with homicide because you didn't kill the person, and you didn't mean for them to die. Homicide means you did something intended to cause their death. If you were supposed to administer their life saving medication and withheld it knowing they would die, that would be criminally negligent homicide.

In this case, the Minister has been told that holding large gatherings could lead to his congregants getting sick and dying. He had chosen not to believe this, or he believes that God will protect his flock. Whatever his reasons, he has been warned of the problem. If he elects to hold services anyway, knowing the risks, it would be criminally negligent death. He didn't intend for them to die, but he disregarded a known risk and created the circumstances where they got sick and died, just as he had been warned they could.

I disagree.
You can't hold him responsible for their choosing to attend his services no matter how ill-advised it may be.

People need the freedom to make their own decisions and personal responsibility comes with that. I suspect it's the "personal responsibility" part that makes so many folks so willing to give up their liberties.
I despise those people and I hope they die in a fire.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You must be upset at the Fifth Circuit's recent decision in the Texas abortion-ban case, in which the two-person majority, referencing a Supreme Court decision, stated that "Jacobson instructs that all constitutional rights may be reasonably restricted to combat a public health emergency."

 

[freyasman]

If you research, and really get into it, every locality and state government now has more allegiance, at least the majority of the bureaucracy, to agenda 2030, than to the Constitution or Constitutional government.

Look at some of the comments in this thread, people openly talking to what amounts to treason. . .

"Is anyone getting tired of this rightwing whine fest about "shut downs" and "constitutional rights"?"

"The public's health takes precedence over the Constitution for now."

. . . and now an agent of the crown chimes in to lecture us on what we need to do. . . .

How interesting that her suggestions align perfectly with Agenda 2030.


It makes you wonder if the founding revolutionaries had been more concerned for their lives than for liberty, if we would have ever had freedom at all. . . .

Best post I've read today.

When I read the comment about being tired of hearing about constitutional rights, I literally felt sick to my stomach. Now I understand more how a country like Nazi Germany was able to get away with so much. The bootlickers and dupes foolishly do the tyrants' bidding, and those who speak against what is happening are looked upon like the bad guys. Disgusting.

Oh my god. Now idiots are comparing this to Nazi Germany.

Disgusting.

No, not really.

This is how these things begin.

 

[WEATHER53]

Freedom can have consequences and not always 100% safe
I dont feel obligated as a person nor a nation to give up freedom for a 0.1% killer health issue.

 

[freyasman]

Is anyone getting tired of this rightwing whine fest about "shut downs" and "constitutional rights"?

The shut down sucks, but the whining (and I'm not talking about job loss, a valid complaint) but the whining about not being able to get together in large groups is pretty shallow.

Quarantine is nothing new. Restricting large gatherings is during an epidemic is nothing new. But this level of whining is.

Anyone over 70 probably remembers quarantine during the polio outbreaks...

“But absolutely, when coronavirus hit, the first thing I thought of were those summers in the 1940s, how you couldn’t go to pools, you couldn’t go to the movies, you just stayed home,” says Gray, who as a child lived in Kansas City. “When I was in high school, a wonderful young man got polio. It was just so terrifying for us.”

maybe. maybe people are pretty shallow. but if people have legitimate questions about what we're being told vs. seeing, calling them shallow for asking is simply another form of shaming. you don't believe it, i will call you names.

and while a quarantine may be nothing new, i certainly have never seen an entire city do it; much less most of the world. to think people will sit and behave for an indefinite undefined period of time and not question why is simply unreasonable.

I think a certain amount of angst is understandable, and I think a LOT of angst about jobs, economy etc is very understandable. But I also think about how people underwent the privations, rationing and inconveniences brought on by WW2, with a sense of community and patriotism. But what I'm seeing is essentially people bitching about inconvenience (and, no, I don't like this either). And I guess the irony is, the people whining are the same people who bitch about others' "lack of patriotism" for not supporting certain policies or making choices based on "convenience.

It's going to end. This temporary suspension of large gatherings is exactly that - temporary. So...I guess my thought is suck it up and make it work knowing it is temporary. I'm more worried about jobs for so many people than I am about not being able to go to a physical church or congregate in crowds. My rights are not being infringed upon if it means temporary measures that preserve lives.

You mean temporary like TSA screenings at airports? When you're trying to exercise your right to travel freely?

That kind of temporary?

 

[ElmerMudd]

Those who want to gather, let them. But afterwards they cannot go back into the general public. Bus those who gather into an area they cannot infect others. Let them continually gather together until the crisis is over. Just stay the hell away of people who do not feel their life is worth risking so they can gather.

Wow.

How Stalinistic of you.

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Not Stalinistic. Stalin would have executed those who are a threat to the health of the overall society.

 

[freyasman]

1. Do my constitutional rights give me the right to put other people in danger?

I think the courts have consistently said...no.

Can you show me (and the court) on this anatomically correct doll where my presence in a public gathering directly resulted in harm coming to you?

No?
I didn't think so.


You are responsible for you.

 

[ElmerMudd]

1. Do my constitutional rights give me the right to put other people in danger?

I think the courts have consistently said...no.

Whether or not your rights put others "in danger" is irrelevant. There must be an injury/harm, not the risk of harm.

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In that case Typhoid Mary had every right to continue working in the food industry.

We have several typhoid Mary and Marks on this thread.

 

[Coyote]

1. Do my constitutional rights give me the right to put other people in danger?

I think the courts have consistently said...no.

Can you show me (and the court) on this anatomically correct doll where my presence in a public gathering directly resulted in harm coming to you?

No?
I didn't think so.


You are responsible for you.

hmmm...perhaps you can take your anatomically correct doll to Idaho where their refusal to adhere to social distancing led to a new hotspot.

 

[Coyote]

1. Do my constitutional rights give me the right to put other people in danger?

I think the courts have consistently said...no.

Whether or not your rights put others "in danger" is irrelevant. There must be an injury/harm, not the risk of harm.

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In that case Typhoid Mary had every right to continue working in the food industry.

We have several typhoid Mary and Marks on this thread.

Well apparently they feel they have the right to infect people and as long as no one dies as a result it is ok. It is the inherent selfishness of that way of thinking. “Me me me”.

 

[Lysistrata]

You must be upset at the Fifth Circuit's recent decision in the Texas abortion-ban case, in which the two-person majority, referencing a Supreme Court decision, stated that "Jacobson instructs that all constitutional rights may be reasonably restricted to combat a public health emergency."

Yup. It is pretty reasonable to restrict gatherings at which people could spread a virus to another, who would contract it and then take it with them wherever they go afterward and spread it to whomever they meet. This is a lot more reasonable than banning abortions on the basis of saving a few masks or gloves, for instance, or for banning the administration of a pill.

But apparently, there is Supreme Court precedent for restricting constitutional rights in certain situations, and Justices Elrod (appointed by G.W. Bush) and Duncan (appointed by trump) of the Fifth Circuit uphold this ruling.

The Fifth Circuit covers Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi