Could all Religions Come Together?

[Lisa558]

On the contrary, the primitive Christians attended temple and abided the Law, as Jesus commanded, until their temple age ended.

Its understandable. Though they fuond resurrection in Christ, they struggled with giving up their old way of life.

NO. Practicing Jews do not find “resurrection in Christ.” You’re smarter than that.

You’re not one of these Jews for Jesus freaks, are you? They claim that you can worship Jesus and still be a practicing Jew.

 

[norwegen]

I consider people who think a man to be the Son of Gd no longer true Jews.

So do Christians.

 

[norwegen]

the phenomenon of the "christ killer" thing that I find most disturbing is the AGE AT WHICH christian
kids employ it. Five or six year olds do not come up something like that on their own

According to the New Testament, the converted Jews continued in temple and the Law.

 

[Lisa558]

the phenomenon of the "christ killer" thing that I find most disturbing is the AGE AT WHICH christian
kids employ it. Five or six year olds do not come up something like that on their own

Yup. Comes from the Jew-hating parents, influenced by what the Gospels say.

You wouldn’t believe the nasty stuff 10-year-olds would hurl, either. “Where you’d get those ugly shoes?! ISREAAAAL?!” They sure didn’t come up with that on their own.

 

[Lisa558]

According to the New Testament, the converted Jews continued in temple and the Law.

They were in violation of the law, worshipping a man as a deity.

 

[Lisa558]

So do Christians.

Well you just said the writers of the Gospels were Jews. But they believed the son of Gd stuff. So now you are admitting that they WERE not Jews.

 

[norwegen]

Hyoocrites? Brood of vipers? Blind guides? That sounds like anti-Jew talk from the Gospels, written by men who wanted other Jews to abandon their religion.

Lawdy, you'll never get it.

The hypocrites and broods of vipers were particular Jews. Elite Jews. Ruling classes who perverted Moses.

BTW, any survivors from the first Jewish War - the precious few - had no choice but to abandon their religion. After that war, temple Judaism no longer existed.

 

[hobelim]

Hyoocrites? Brood of vipers? Blind guides? That sounds like anti-Jew talk from the Gospels, written by men who wanted other Jews to abandon their religion.

Jesus was arguing with other Jews about how to understand and apply the law in the way that God intended. They were all Jews raised under a compulsory literal observance of Mosaic law. Some listened some didn't. It wasn't about abandoning their religion it was about revealing truth.

 

[irosie91]

On the contrary, the primitive Christians attended temple and abided the Law, as Jesus commanded, until their temple age ended.

It's understandable. Though they found resurrection in Christ, they struggled with giving up their old way of life.

read the available propaganda again----the
comprehensive rejection of Judaism by the
christians evolved over a few years and seems
to be the result of many factors NOT THE LEAST
of which was the very HELLENIZED PAUL and
most of all-----the ambition of the vile bastard
CONSTANTINE. Somehow there seems to be a
weird belief ----extant---that the destruction of
the Temple destroyed Judaism........no such luck,
JERKS

 

[Lisa558]

Jesus was arguing with other Jews about how to understand and apply the law in the way that God intended. They were all Jews raised under a compulsory literal observance of Mosaic law. Some listened some didn't. It wasn't about abandoning their religion it was about revealing truth.

What truth?

 

[norwegen]

Well you just said the writers of the Gospels were Jews. But they believed the son of Gd stuff. So now you are admitting that they WERE not Jews.

They were converted Jews, still practicing Jews in some measure, struggling to relinquish Moses while embracing the truth of Christ.

 

[hobelim]

Well you just said the writers of the Gospels were Jews. But they believed the son of Gd stuff. So now you are admitting that they WERE not Jews.

"Son of God" is just a relational metaphor for the person described in Deuteronomy 18:18 indicating a position and closeness to God above prophets who were called "servants of God."

 

[Lisa558]

They were converted Jews, still practicing Jews in some measure, struggling to relinquish Moses while embracing the truth of Christ.

They were not practicing Jews if they “embraced the truth of Christ.” They were in violation of the key tenet of Judaism.

 

[irosie91]

Lawdy, you'll never get it.

The hypocrites and broods of vipers were particular Jews. Elite Jews. Ruling classes who perverted Moses.

BTW, any survivors from the first Jewish War - the precious few - had no choice but to abandon their religion. After that war, temple Judaism no longer existed.

nor-brain---your comment is based on a host of
misconceptions. Just who were the "ELITE JEWS"?
and from whence did you derive the idiot idea that
the existence of Judaism DEPENDS on the existence
of the Temple?

 

[norwegen]

They were not practicing Jews if they “embraced the truth of Christ.” They were in violation of the key tenet of Judaism.

I said in some measure.

They attended temple and abided the law. Was that not what practicing Jews did?

 

[norwegen]

nor-brain---your comment is based on a host of
misconceptions. Just who were the "ELITE JEWS"?
and from whence did you derive the idiot idea that
the existence of Judaism DEPENDS on the existence
of the Temple?

You should try reading the New Testament. It's fascinating.

 

[hobelim]

What truth?

For one, whether Kosher law was about food or teaching, whether clean or unclean, the animals on the divine menu just metaphors for human archetypes, their flesh representing their teaching.

Unclean teaching is what defiles and contaminates the mind, teaching that is vile and loathsome.

You eat flesh and it is just passes through the stomach and is flushed down the toilet. Some teachings served and eaten are detrimental for an entire lifetime, even for thousands of years.

 

[Lisa558]

"Son of God" is just a relational metaphor for the person described in Deuteronomy 18:18 indicating a position and closeness to God unlike prophets who were called "servants of God."

"Son of God" is just a relational metaphor for the person described in Deuteronomy 18:18 indicating a position and closeness to God unlike prophets who were called "servants of God."

Well, that’s a real kick in the pants! “Son of Gd” was just a metaphor, and billions of Christians have taken it literally, formed a new religion with teachings that engender hostility toward Jews, and we have paid the price for it for two millennia?

 

[Lisa558]

For one, whether Kosher law was about food or teaching, whether clean or unclean, the animals on the divine menu just metaphors for human archetypes, their flesh representing their teaching.

Unclean teaching is what defiles and contaminates the mind, teaching that is vile and loathsome.

That truth I can go along with. I thought you meant the truth that he claimed he was literally the offspring of HaShem.

 

[irosie91]

Well you just said the writers of the Gospels were Jews. But they believed the son of Gd stuff. So now you are admitting that they WERE not Jews.

It is not clear to me AT ALL----that the "GOSPELS"
that made it into the NT reflected the actual writings
of the putative authors