Could Trump ever be convicted in a Court of Law?

[meaner gene]

That's funny.

What was your reaction to Trump declassifying national security secrets without even knowing what he declassified?

He looked at a pile of classified documents, waived his hand, and declassified them, without even looking.

 

[BS Filter]

What was your reaction to Trump declassifying national security secrets without even knowing what he declassified?

He looked at a pile of classified documents, waived his hand, and declassified them, without even looking.

How do you know he didn't look at them?

 

[meaner gene]

How do you know he didn't look at them?

Because Trump admitted he didn't know which documents he declassified. He declassified them because he didn't have time to read them in the oval office, and was taking them back to the residence. to read.

 

[BS Filter]

Because Trump admitted he didn't know which documents he declassified. He declassified them because he didn't have time to read them in the oval office, and was taking them back to the residence. to read.

So?

 

[forkup]

You could give the reasoning or the process which will allow the just system to handle this.

You have an assertion without anything showing why you made it.

I already did. But will do so again if you like.

Partisanship, hell even blind devotion is a strong incentive. Being a jury member though carries its own strong incentives.

First there is the selection process itself. Not only do you have to get past a judge who will not just explain in great detail what is expected of you he will actively look to weed out those that are unable to follow these instructions. Then the prosecution will have the opportunity to refuse those that they are unsure of (within reason).

Then you have the trial itself. This is a process that handles very narrow questions. ( the different elements needed to prove a certain crime), a defence can and will throw up smoke but in the end of the day because the questions are so narrow it leaves little room for ambiguity within a juries individual mind.

Then you have the deliberation that requires every jury member not just to reach a verdict but that all jury members come to a concensus.

So in order for a partisan person to reach a fundamentally different answer than the rest he or she need to both be willing to actively deceive a sitting judge, be successful at it, but also be resistant to other people actively requiring you to motivate your decision.

Again can be done but is difficult.

 

[meaner gene]

So?

That means Trump didn't read them before he declassified them.

You don't think that's a problem?

 

[BS Filter]

That means Trump didn't read them before he declassified them.

You don't think that's a problem?

Doesn't bother me one bit. The vegetable occupying Trump's office bothers me.

 

[meaner gene]

Doesn't bother me one bit. The vegetable occupying Trump's office bothers me.

It doesn't bother you that Trump could have declassified the identity of our deep cover agents, because he didn't have time to read the list at his desk while he was in the Oval office?

 

[BS Filter]

It doesn't bother you that Trump could have declassified the identity of our deep cover agents, because he didn't have time to read the list at his desk while he was in the Oval office?

You watch too many spy movies.

 

[meaner gene]

You watch too many spy movies.

I know in the spy movies that agents risk their lives in order to protect the very secrets that Trump declassified without even looking.

 

[Lastamender]

They have the video of Trump having his aides moving boxes in Mar-a-lago. And the testimony of those aids saying they were instructed by Trump to move those boxes.

That was after Trump got the subpoena, making moving those boxes from their secure location, to the residence, was clear obstruction of justice.

Then where are the charges?

 

[BS Filter]

I know in the spy movies that agents risk their lives in order to protect the very secrets that Trump declassified without even looking.

Yes, in the movies. I've been in a couple. Lots of fun to get paid for playing pretend.

 

[Rigby5]

Republicans in Congress have already shown a willingness to ignore Trumps transgressions no matter how egregious

Is it possible to form a Jury without at least one member who is willing to accept whatever lie Trump is telling?

That is silly because Trump knows the law too well to have been guilty of anything he could be convicted of.
So far, the track record has been ridiculous.
The impeachments were a total farce.
The "insurrection" was a lie.
The search of Mar-a-lago was illegal.

I dislike Trump, but about the only bad thing he did was stack the SCOTUS.
All other presidents so far have been much worse, including Obama not getting out of Iraq or Afghanistan, and Biden starting a war in the Ukraine.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Not being a third-world country, yet. We don't subject our opposition leaders to elaborate, politicially-motivated prosecutions.

If Trump winds up a court of law, his opponents will actually have to prove he committed a crime “beyond a reasonable doubt”. His enemies have been trying and failing to do that for decades. They usually can’t even find enough real proof to get past a Grand Jury which is a very low bar to clear since the prosecutor completely controls the Grand Jury.

 

[meaner gene]

Then where are the charges?

Pending.

Just like when they asked what happened to the charges against Michael Flynn, or Paul Manifort, or the January 6th insurrectionists.

 

[Rigby5]

What was your reaction to Trump declassifying national security secrets without even knowing what he declassified?

He looked at a pile of classified documents, waived his hand, and declassified them, without even looking.

Wrong.
He knew the classified docs were ones that had been discussed at White House meetings.
He knew he wanted to keep them for his personal library.
So there is NOTHING remotely wrong with then considering them his unclassified copies.
All presidents do that.
And all presidents are completely above the laws and rules about classified docs, as long as NARA also gets copies of all docs, for FOIA.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The problem is that Trump has such fanatics following him, that he might try and get them to cause so many problems to make those prosecuting fear the outcome.
It's beyond dangerous right now.

Do you mean like numerous cases in the last two years where “liberals” have rioted and politicians have threatened violence if a “ correct” verdict isn’t rendered?

 

[meaner gene]

Yes, in the movies. I've been in a couple. Lots of fun to get paid for playing pretend.

Art imitates life.

 

[Rigby5]

It doesn't bother you that Trump could have declassified the identity of our deep cover agents, because he didn't have time to read the list at his desk while he was in the Oval office?

WRONG.
Since Trump did not paper work, then he did NOT at all "declassify" the original docs as kept at the Pentagon, CIA headquarters, etc.
All he declassified was his copy that he wanted to retain for his personal library.
That is perfectly legal.
Just a little sloppy.

 

[BS Filter]

The entire game is nothing more than Trump upset the course of the political elites in both parties. They were cruising along with their plan, then Trump came along and pulled the curtain back. They're very angry at Trump and the people who support him. They believe this is their country.