Could Trump ever be convicted in a Court of Law?

[BS Filter]

Art imitates life.

God bless America.

 

[Rigby5]

I know in the spy movies that agents risk their lives in order to protect the very secrets that Trump declassified without even looking.

You are totally wrong and backwards.
The REALITY is that spies, agents, etc. are CRIMINALS.
They steal, murder, extort, lie, etc.
Whether we should even have "spies" is very ethically questionable.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Do you mean like numerous cases in the last two years where “liberals” have rioted and politicians have threatened violence if a “ correct” verdict isn’t rendered?

There are wackos on both sides.
I am a person who often promotes the benefits of Proportional Representation because I feel that both sides are dangerous.

However, Trump and his supporters are more dangerous than most.

 

[Rigby5]

Pending.

Just like when they asked what happened to the charges against Michael Flynn, or Paul Manifort, or the January 6th insurrectionists.

Paul Manifort obviously was taking bribes, but Flynn simply was trying to keep secret the fact there were meetings that might look bad. And it was illegal to try to make anyone look bad without there actually being a crime. The prosecution of Flynn was disgraceful.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Any normal President, who cared about the Nation and didnt want to see the Nation even more divided, would take a plea deal, lowering their charges, with no jail time, but some other form of punishment.

Like Clinton did for his "process crime" of perjury..., right before leaving office, with the justice department..... A fine, losing the ability to ever argue a case in the Supreme Court, his law license for 5 years.....

That kind of punishment....

Perjury to avoid a civil conviction isn’t a “process crime”. They had Clinton cold and his plea deal was his only way out. There was enough evidence from the truly by-partisan House impeachment investigation for a slam-dunk conviction in civil court and an almost certain criminal conviction for perjury.

 

[dudmuck]

The entire game is nothing more than Trump upset the course of the political elites in both parties. They were cruising along with their plan, then Trump came along and pulled the curtain back. They're very angry at Trump and the people who support him. They believe this is their country.

 

[Rigby5]

There are wackos on both sides.
I am a person who often promotes the benefits of Proportional Representation because I feel that both sides are dangerous.

However, Trump and his supporters are more dangerous than most.

That is all probably very true.
However, the attempts to slander and frame Trump were even worse than Trump.
The impeachments were ridiculous, the "insurrection" absurb, and the seach of Mar-a-lago completely illegal.
No one has ever done these sorts of criminal abuses of law against a president, ever before.
A new political low.

 

[candycorn]

That's funny.

Well, your blob absconded with them and is facing yet another probe by the DOJ because of it. And no, the whole "I declassified them in my mind" defense doesn't work.

 

[meaner gene]

Wrong.
He knew the classified docs were ones that had been discussed at White House meetings.

Are you saying Trump lied about them?

Trump said he declassified them because they were "homework" he took to the residence in preparation for the following day.

Trump Now Says the TS Documents Were Just Homework

Private citizen Trump appears to have dropped — for the moment — his absurd charge that the FBI planted documents. (The revelation that Trump’s own lawyer and some of his family watched the search live on CCTV may have had something to do with that.)...

www.dailykos.com

Trump Now Says the TS Documents Were Just Homework

"As we can all relate to, everyone ends up having to bring home their work from time to time. American presidents are no different," said the statement from Trump's office on Friday night read out on Fox News.

"President Trump, in order to prepare for work the next day, often took documents, including classified documents, from the Oval Office to the residence. He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken into the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them," the statement said.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Let me ask the lefties this:

Do you think Hunter Biden would ever be convicted in a court of law? Joe Biden? Nancy Pelosi? Adam Schiff?

 

[candycorn]

I already did. But will do so again if you like.

Partisanship, hell even blind devotion is a strong incentive. Being a jury member though carries its own strong incentives.

First there is the selection process itself. Not only do you have to get past a judge who will not just explain in great detail what is expected of you he will actively look to weed out those that are unable to follow these instructions. Then the prosecution will have the opportunity to refuse those that they are unsure of (within reason).

Then you have the trial itself. This is a process that handles very narrow questions. ( the different elements needed to prove a certain crime), a defence can and will throw up smoke but in the end of the day because the questions are so narrow it leaves little room for ambiguity within a juries individual mind.

Then you have the deliberation that requires every jury member not just to reach a verdict but that all jury members come to a concensus.

So in order for a partisan person to reach a fundamentally different answer than the rest he or she need to both be willing to actively deceive a sitting judge, be successful at it, but also be resistant to other people actively requiring you to motivate your decision.

Again can be done but is difficult.

And it should be difficult.

Can it happen sure. Will it happen? Likely not. And if/when it happens, there will be appeal after appeal after appeal until hell freezes over.

What it really highlights is two things. We need to get rid of the Presidential pardon and we need to separate the DOJ from the Executive branch. I think we need to start electing the Attorney General myself. Its not a complete thought in my mind about the plusses and minuses but when you have a president who can dangle complete pardons in return for clear violations of federal law... that is a system designed to be abused. And Trump abused it.

The rule of law is paramount. A president shouldn't be able to pardon the well-connected while someone convicted of the same crime can't get that consideration.

 

[BS Filter]

Well, your blob absconded with them and is facing yet another probe by the DOJ because of it. And no, the whole "I declassified them in my mind" defense doesn't work.

Please stop. You're scaring the children.

 

[meaner gene]

WRONG.
Since Trump did not paper work, then he did NOT at all "declassify" the original docs as kept at the Pentagon, CIA headquarters, etc.
All he declassified was his copy that he wanted to retain for his personal library.
That is perfectly legal.
Just a little sloppy.

That statement is perfectly stupid. That's not how declassification works.
That's like claiming he declassified the equipment in SAM 2700, but not SAM 2900, that remained classified.

Think for once.

 

[Lastamender]

Pending.

Just like when they asked what happened to the charges against Michael Flynn, or Paul Manifort, or the January 6th insurrectionists.

No it isn't. Except for the fact it is politically motivated.

 

[frigidweirdo]

That is all probably very true.
However, the attempts to slander and frame Trump were even worse than Trump.
The impeachments were ridiculous, the "insurrection" absurb, and the seach of Mar-a-lago completely illegal.
No one has ever done these sorts of criminal abuses of law against a president, ever before.
A new political low.

No, the attempts at slandering Trump are generally very easy. It's like Trump wants it.

Yes, his impeachment was ridiculous, mostly because the Democrats KNEW they'd lose.

The "insurrection" is not "absurb", it wasn't a full blown coup or anything like that, however what it was, was very dangerous for the fragile democracy the US has.

The search of Mar-al-Lago was not "completely illegal" either. Procedure was followed.
No one has done such things to a President before? Are you sure? Can you go through all 45 other presidents and tick off that nothing bad happened. What about, say, John Quincy Adams?

 

[candycorn]

Please stop. You're scaring the children.

I didn't know I was scaring you. I also don't care.

 

[Rigby5]

Perjury to avoid a civil conviction isn’t a “process crime”. They had Clinton cold and his plea deal was his only way out. There was enough evidence from the truly by-partisan House impeachment investigation for a slam-dunk conviction in civil court and an almost certain criminal conviction for perjury.

Not quite.
Since Bill Clinton had asked the prosecutor what the definition of "sex" was, then technically he was NOT guilty of perjury, since the prosecutor only listed vaginal sex.
What Bill Clinton then was found guilty of was violating his duty as a lawyer to not lie by omission, knowing that the prosecutor had also intended to include oral sex.
He was NOT found guilty of perjury, and that is why it was not a felony.

But what people seem to forget is that it is perfectly legal to lie, if it is to avoid prosecution.
Everyone has the 5th amendment right to not incriminate themselves.
The only reason Bill Clinton could not outright lie is because he was not the one being prosecuted for anything with Lewinsky.
That is the only reason he could not get away with lying.

 

[candycorn]

Let me ask the lefties this:

Do you think Hunter Biden would ever be convicted in a court of law? Joe Biden? Nancy Pelosi? Adam Schiff?

No on all counts.

Of course you'd have to tell us what you think they've done. Good luck.

 

[BS Filter]

I didn't know I was scaring you. I also don't care.

Read my post again. You're not scaring me. You're scaring the children.

 

[BS Filter]

No on all counts.

Of course you'd have to tell us what you think they've done. Good luck.

Use government institutions to punish innocent citizens and further their corrupt agenda.