County by County Count...

[Hossfly]

Every election we get this retarded shit from the retarded Right.

Yes, Trump won lots of counties,

he won, for example, Niobrara County in Wyoming.

Population 2,456.

Clinton won Kings County (Brooklyn)

Population 2,636,735.

Now it's up to you to tell us why one equals the other, in a democratic election.

Because some people are more equal than others. And none are as equal as Drumpf.

Drumpf made the rules? I didn't know that. When did he manage that, Cap'n Knowledge?

I didn't say he made the rules, but a poor person commits fraud and goes to jail. He just pays a fine. He can get away with almost anything by paying.

A poor person commits fraud. He can't pay the fine and the suit, he goes to jail. Trump is charged with fraud. Whether or not he is guilty, he pays the suit and goes about his business. I think someone said "Live long, work hard and prosper." Or sumpin like that.

 

[jc456]

The allotment of electors was built on the allotment of us congressmen each states have plus 2 electors for each us senators each state has....and the 2 electors as senator representatives is what gives a small state it's advantage just like the US Congress with our senators, big or small state, each state is given two, and electors are given to each state as 1 elector per VOTING DISTRICT, and NOT by county....a county win means nothing, when it comes to electors....

This is how our founders created the elector positions.

And as with congress, EACH elector represented a congressman's vote for the district they represented.

So as example, lets say a state had 20 electors for 20 voting districts....like the 20 congressmen for 20 voting districts, plus 2 electors as representative of their 2 senators.... the electors were meant to not collude with other electors when they were created....not even talk to each other, but to use their own intellect in representing their voting district and the nation combined, in how they cast their initial vote....

But over the centuries, states MANIPULATED their elector process, so that only 2 parties rule and squished out any third party chances by making elector votes, winner takes all....

INSTEAD of each elector vote counting as each congressman's individual vote for the district the congress critter represents, while congress is in session.

so, as another example from this manipulation, Ross perot, got 19% of the national vote...that's a lot for a third party, and he did not receive one single elector vote...not an itty bitty one of them.

THIS IS NOT HOW OUR FOUNDERS CREATED THIS SYSTEM....it has been bastardized by the 2 parties to eliminate any chance EVER, for a third party to win.

And this makes the voters that are not liberal in states with large cities, ever have their vote count....and liberals in all those conservative states vote, never count... not worth even going to vote.... THIS IS NOT how it was meant to be, this is not what our founders created...

IN my state we went back to how it was, and proportionally issue our elector's vote by voting district....

so, in this past election we have 2 voting districts, (2 House Congress critters) 1 elector for each district, plus 2 electors representing our 2 US Senators... 4 total

one district here vote for Trump, 1District voted for Clinton and overall in the State Clinton got the most votes, so the two senator represented electors went to clinton...

Trump came to visit us with rallies 3 times....for that one district's elector's vote, because he thought he was going to need it....in order to win.

IF WE were set up as a winner take all state, he NEVER would have visited us at all....

THE PROBLEM with the electoral college now, is that electors are not proportionally given like us in maine, with the 2 electors representing Senators, going with the state popular vote.

so I'm confused with your post. How is it that something is wrong? If there are no third party representatives, then there are no electorates. You just posted how that worked. So, to get representation, vote a third party representative into congress. It is the step necessary to build the base to get an electorate.

BTW, this is what made Trump unique. He was actually a third party and positioned himself under the GOP to benefit him in the electorate. It worked, how about that. Still not sure how what you posted doesn't work out. Except that you didn't win and are now crying.

No....The founders did not want the insiders to vote for our president, they would have just given it to the house reps and senators in the first place is what I read...and this is why instead of our house members and senators voting, they gave it to electors for each congressional voting district plus two electors for senators, BECAUSE they wanted the ability for third party candidates to win if they were the strongest candidate.... and they felt that the congressmen and senators would just try to represent their own party and not the best and brightest candidates out there....in the beginning the Electors chose our nominee candidates, not a candidate themselves that just decided to run...

WE voted for the elector in our voting district, who was suppose to be the best and brightest community person that you trusted in picking candidates and then winners....the electors did not tell the citizen voters who they were even considering to nominate..... I kid you not.... so the party affiliation didn't even come in to play, and an elector could nominate a few people from different parties... sigh....

THE FOUNDERS never dreamed it would be set up the way it is now, where third parties never get a shot with States doing a winner takes all....

and never meant the election to be a popularity contest.

True, they didn't at the time, because they felt that the population had no means to be informed other than their local newspapers who did not carry other regions news....and the electors were informed citizens that pushed their knowledge beyond their region.

Today, we have a different situation, where we have air travel and automobile travel and train travel and we have 24/7 news stations and local news and local papers and nation wide papers and the internet..... we have many means that did not even exist at the time of our founders to inform ourselves, that were limited or non existent in their times... today, they would probably be fine with the popular vote, but not back them when most citizens were not aware of any issues or candidates outside of their own regional district.

no, I don't think so at all. The same concern big city vs little city and state issues and many other variables. Nope, no way in hell would they prefer a popular vote today. Same reasons as before.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Every election we get this retarded shit from the retarded Right.

Yes, Trump won lots of counties,

he won, for example, Niobrara County in Wyoming.

Population 2,456.

Clinton won Kings County (Brooklyn)

Population 2,636,735.

Now it's up to you to tell us why one equals the other, in a democratic election.

No one has to tell you anything. YOU have to deal with the results.

/story

 

[AmericanFirst1]

Every election we get this retarded shit from the retarded Right.

Yes, Trump won lots of counties,

he won, for example, Niobrara County in Wyoming.

Population 2,456.

Clinton won Kings County (Brooklyn)

Population 2,636,735.

Now it's up to you to tell us why one equals the other, in a democratic election.

Yet again you prove how stupid you and the retarded left is.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Every election we get this retarded shit from the retarded Right.

Yes, Trump won lots of counties,

he won, for example, Niobrara County in Wyoming.

Population 2,456.

Clinton won Kings County (Brooklyn)

Population 2,636,735.

Now it's up to you to tell us why one equals the other, in a democratic election.

Because some guy in wyoming dug a pond on his farm and the retarded left back in the NY area tried to sue his ### for years.
Luckily the rancher prevailed in the end.
That's why.
Didn't know digging a pond would offend people like you NY.
But you're so petty it does.

Remember when the left tried to jail a guy for catching rainwater on his property?

 

[EverCurious]

ll these advantages will happily combine in the plan devised by the convention; which is, that the people of each State shall choose a number of persons as electors, equal to the number of senators and representatives of such State in the national government, who shall assemble within the State, and vote for some fit person as President. Their votes, thus given, are to be transmitted to the seat of the national government, and the person who may happen to have a majority of the whole number of votes will be the President.

Read it again, you don't vote for the president, you vote for the electors of /your/ state. AKA the popular vote is meaningless as per our constitution and the basis of how the President is elected.

See also: Federalist Papers 39 - The Avalon Project : Federalist No 39

That it will be a federal and not a national act, as these terms are understood by the objectors; the act of the people, as forming so many independent States, not as forming one aggregate nation, is obvious from this single consideration, that it is to result neither from the decision of a MAJORITY of the people of the Union, nor from that of a MAJORITY of the States. It must result from the UNANIMOUS assent of the several States that are parties to it, differing no otherwise from their ordinary assent than in its being expressed, not by the legislative authority, but by that of the people themselves. Were the people regarded in this transaction as forming one nation, the will of the majority of the whole people of the United States would bind the minority, in the same manner as the majority in each State must bind the minority; and the will of the majority must be determined either by a comparison of the individual votes, or by considering the will of the majority of the States as evidence of the will of a majority of the people of the United States. Neither of these rules have been adopted. Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act. In this relation, then, the new Constitution will, if established, be a FEDERAL, and not a NATIONAL constitution.

 

[boedicca]

Her vote counted as zero in the presidential election because I'm quite sure she's said she's from CA.

how you figure?

Because Clinton got all the electoral votes.

why though?

My vote in CA counts as zero, but not for the reason put forth by NYC.

With Motor Voter allowing illegal aliens to vote, my vote is nullified in a way sanctioned by the State Government.

illegals are issued A DIFFERENT DRIVERS license which specifically states they can not vote or receive other federal benefits.....so how is it that motor vehicle dept issues them the right to vote...it specifically states that they do not????

Motor Voter automatically registers CA drivers license recipients to vote. The Dems designed it so that Illegals would also be enrolled accidentally on purpose.

 

[AmericanFirst1]

Every election we get this retarded shit from the retarded Right.

Yes, Trump won lots of counties,

he won, for example, Niobrara County in Wyoming.

Population 2,456.

Clinton won Kings County (Brooklyn)

Population 2,636,735.

Now it's up to you to tell us why one equals the other, in a democratic election.

Because some guy in wyoming dug a pond on his farm and the retarded left back in the NY area tried to sue his ### for years.
Luckily the rancher prevailed in the end.
That's why.
Didn't know digging a pond would offend people like you NY.
But you're so petty it does.

That might be the most nonsensical post I've seen in days.

Great come back

I challenge ANYONE to make sense of your post.

I challenge you to find your brain, hint, stand up.

 

[Rambunctious]

That might be the most nonsensical post I've seen in days.

Obviously you don't read your own....

 

[boedicca]

de·moc·ra·cy
dəˈmäkrəsē/
noun
noun: democracy

1. a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
   "capitalism and democracy are ascendant in the third world"
   synonyms: representative government, elective government; More
   self-government, government by the people;
   republic, commonwealth
   "freedom of speech is essential to democracy"
   antonyms: dictatorship
   • a state governed by a democracy.
     plural noun: democracies
     "a multiparty democracy"
   • control of an organization or group by the majority of its members.
     "the intended extension of industrial democracy"
   • the practice or principles of social equality.
     "demands for greater democracy"

U.S. Total Popular votes

Clinton 63,649,978

Trump 61,943,670

Difference 1,706,308 Favor of Clinton

If you actually paid attention in Civics Class, you'd know that the United States was not designed to be a Pure Democracy (cf., Mob Rule). It is a Federal Republic of States.

 

[Hossfly]

dumb Donald lost the popular vote.

thanks for playing

There are way more Democreeps registered to vote. Big Dem populations in Liberal Puke cities vs. scattered population for Repubs. Read up on the Electoral vote and it explains how the playing field is leveled.

 

[Clementine]

Libs, just fucking grow up. We've had this system forever and everyone knew that going in. Typical libs want to change the rules when things don't go their way. Many were saying that Trump would get the popular but Hillary would win. Had that happened, libs would be smug and telling everyone else to deal with it. Of course, if Hillary had won there wouldn't be a bunch of whiney ass thugs out there having a tantrum and destroying cities.

Now they want the election overturned. It's crazy and the left is just proving why they shouldn't be in charge. Only dictators change rules as they go.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

If you actually paid attention in Civics Class, you'd know that the United States was not designed to be a Pure Democracy (cf., Mob Rule). It is a Federal Republic of States.

I posted documented facts and you react to the facts with non sequitur

 

[jc456]

If you actually paid attention in Civics Class, you'd know that the United States was not designed to be a Pure Democracy (cf., Mob Rule). It is a Federal Republic of States.

I posted documented facts and you react to the facts with non sequitur

306 to 232 documented fact trump won. got anything else?

 

[boedicca]

If you actually paid attention in Civics Class, you'd know that the United States was not designed to be a Pure Democracy (cf., Mob Rule). It is a Federal Republic of States.

I posted documented facts and you react to the facts with non sequitur

306 to 232 documented fact trump won. got anything else?

You mean besides his flaming festering Butthurt?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

If you actually paid attention in Civics Class, you'd know that the United States was not designed to be a Pure Democracy (cf., Mob Rule). It is a Federal Republic of States.

I posted documented facts and you react to the facts with non sequitur

306 to 232 documented fact trump won. got anything else?

Just the facts ma'am just the facts

 

[Care4all]

The allotment of electors was built on the allotment of us congressmen each states have plus 2 electors for each us senators each state has....and the 2 electors as senator representatives is what gives a small state it's advantage just like the US Congress with our senators, big or small state, each state is given two, and electors are given to each state as 1 elector per VOTING DISTRICT, and NOT by county....a county win means nothing, when it comes to electors....

This is how our founders created the elector positions.

And as with congress, EACH elector represented a congressman's vote for the district they represented.

So as example, lets say a state had 20 electors for 20 voting districts....like the 20 congressmen for 20 voting districts, plus 2 electors as representative of their 2 senators.... the electors were meant to not collude with other electors when they were created....not even talk to each other, but to use their own intellect in representing their voting district and the nation combined, in how they cast their initial vote....

But over the centuries, states MANIPULATED their elector process, so that only 2 parties rule and squished out any third party chances by making elector votes, winner takes all....

INSTEAD of each elector vote counting as each congressman's individual vote for the district the congress critter represents, while congress is in session.

so, as another example from this manipulation, Ross perot, got 19% of the national vote...that's a lot for a third party, and he did not receive one single elector vote...not an itty bitty one of them.

THIS IS NOT HOW OUR FOUNDERS CREATED THIS SYSTEM....it has been bastardized by the 2 parties to eliminate any chance EVER, for a third party to win.

And this makes the voters that are not liberal in states with large cities, ever have their vote count....and liberals in all those conservative states vote, never count... not worth even going to vote.... THIS IS NOT how it was meant to be, this is not what our founders created...

IN my state we went back to how it was, and proportionally issue our elector's vote by voting district....

so, in this past election we have 2 voting districts, (2 House Congress critters) 1 elector for each district, plus 2 electors representing our 2 US Senators... 4 total

one district here vote for Trump, 1District voted for Clinton and overall in the State Clinton got the most votes, so the two senator represented electors went to clinton...

Trump came to visit us with rallies 3 times....for that one district's elector's vote, because he thought he was going to need it....in order to win.

IF WE were set up as a winner take all state, he NEVER would have visited us at all....

THE PROBLEM with the electoral college now, is that electors are not proportionally given like us in maine, with the 2 electors representing Senators, going with the state popular vote.

so I'm confused with your post. How is it that something is wrong? If there are no third party representatives, then there are no electorates. You just posted how that worked. So, to get representation, vote a third party representative into congress. It is the step necessary to build the base to get an electorate.

BTW, this is what made Trump unique. He was actually a third party and positioned himself under the GOP to benefit him in the electorate. It worked, how about that. Still not sure how what you posted doesn't work out. Except that you didn't win and are now crying.

No....The founders did not want the insiders to vote for our president, they would have just given it to the house reps and senators in the first place is what I read...and this is why instead of our house members and senators voting, they gave it to electors for each congressional voting district plus two electors for senators, BECAUSE they wanted the ability for third party candidates to win if they were the strongest candidate.... and they felt that the congressmen and senators would just try to represent their own party and not the best and brightest candidates out there....in the beginning the Electors chose our nominee candidates, not a candidate themselves that just decided to run...

WE voted for the elector in our voting district, who was suppose to be the best and brightest community person that you trusted in picking candidates and then winners....the electors did not tell the citizen voters who they were even considering to nominate..... I kid you not.... so the party affiliation didn't even come in to play, and an elector could nominate a few people from different parties... sigh....

THE FOUNDERS never dreamed it would be set up the way it is now, where third parties never get a shot with States doing a winner takes all....

and never meant the election to be a popularity contest.

True, they didn't at the time, because they felt that the population had no means to be informed other than their local newspapers who did not carry other regions news....and the electors were informed citizens that pushed their knowledge beyond their region.

Today, we have a different situation, where we have air travel and automobile travel and train travel and we have 24/7 news stations and local news and local papers and nation wide papers and the internet..... we have many means that did not even exist at the time of our founders to inform ourselves, that were limited or non existent in their times... today, they would probably be fine with the popular vote, but not back them when most citizens were not aware of any issues or candidates outside of their own regional district.

no, I don't think so at all. The same concern big city vs little city and state issues and many other variables. Nope, no way in hell would they prefer a popular vote today. Same reasons as before.

no, the big city, little city is TAKEN CARE OF, with the 2 electors given for their two senators....california with 39 million people, only get 2, as with wyoming with 600,000 citizens, they get two as well....

I believe in the Electoral College, but each state should not make it winner takes all of them and should proportionally give electors to the candidates with who won the elector voting district, and the 2 electors for the Senators, should go to the winner...

 

[Care4all]

how you figure?

Because Clinton got all the electoral votes.

why though?

My vote in CA counts as zero, but not for the reason put forth by NYC.

With Motor Voter allowing illegal aliens to vote, my vote is nullified in a way sanctioned by the State Government.

illegals are issued A DIFFERENT DRIVERS license which specifically states they can not vote or receive other federal benefits.....so how is it that motor vehicle dept issues them the right to vote...it specifically states that they do not????

Motor Voter automatically registers CA drivers license recipients to vote. The Dems designed it so that Illegals would also be enrolled accidentally on purpose.

It's a completely different system to get a driver's license for illegals...this system set up for illegals DOES NOT automatically issue them to applicants applying as illegals or legal immigrants....they require completely different paperwork than citizens....

I'm sorry you are reading too many fake news sites imo....

The REAL ID ACT which ALL STATES participate in now, PREVENTS any state from issuing a drivers license for a citizen to a non citizen and requires mandatory paperwork and separation from citizens....with a driver's license that is also physically different from those of citizens, with a different look from citizens.....stamped on front saying no Federal voting or receiving other federal benefits are not permitted.

 

[boedicca]

Because Clinton got all the electoral votes.

why though?

My vote in CA counts as zero, but not for the reason put forth by NYC.

With Motor Voter allowing illegal aliens to vote, my vote is nullified in a way sanctioned by the State Government.

illegals are issued A DIFFERENT DRIVERS license which specifically states they can not vote or receive other federal benefits.....so how is it that motor vehicle dept issues them the right to vote...it specifically states that they do not????

Motor Voter automatically registers CA drivers license recipients to vote. The Dems designed it so that Illegals would also be enrolled accidentally on purpose.

It's a completely different system to get a driver's license for illegals...this system set up for illegals DOES NOT automatically issue them to applicants applying as illegals or legal immigrants....they require completely different paperwork than citizens....

I'm sorry you are reading too many fake news sites imo....

The REAL ID ACT which ALL STATES participate in now, PREVENTS any state from issuing a drivers license for a citizen to a non citizen and requires mandatory paperwork and separation from citizens....with a driver's license that is also physically different from those of citizens, with a different look from citizens.....stamped on front saying no Federal voting or receiving other federal benefits are not permitted.

I'm not falling for the Fake News Site meme, hun.

I live here, and I've followed the news on this issue. CA has also allowed Illegals access to CoveredCalifornia (ObamaCare). It's all of apiece with building their permanent Democrat majority...and why the state is going to hell in a hand basket.

 

[NoNukes]

Every election we get this retarded shit from the retarded Right.

Yes, Trump won lots of counties,

he won, for example, Niobrara County in Wyoming.

Population 2,456.

Clinton won Kings County (Brooklyn)

Population 2,636,735.

Now it's up to you to tell us why one equals the other, in a democratic election.

Anyone studying Dunning-Kruger effect would have a field day with the right wingers on these boards.