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dumb Donald lost the popular vote.

thanks for playing
President Elect Trump won 306 to 232, you should read up on how a president is voted into office.

He won because we have a system that is able to circumvent the democratic result and replace it with an undemocratic result.
the same system that elected every other president after washington. he won because he won the necessary electoral votes as per law. Change the law, you know the one since the constitution was written. go for it wise ass.

Things can be wrong for a very long time.
 
The Libs in this thread are just exhibiting their EPIC BUTTHURT that our system worked according to the design. If hiLIARy had won the electoral votes, they would be celebrating the wisdom of the design. But they lost, so they want to change the rules.

That's the mentality of Participation Trophy Losers.

Voting by county is changing the rules fuckwit.
who does that?

Read the thread. The OP is advocating it. People are agreeing.
no he is not, he pointed out how Trump won 306 to 232.
 
So the Sunday newspaper, front page article: "Urban problems" --- Anchorage residents resistant to bear proof trash cans.

Sound like a problem NY might have? Unlikely. Every state has a say in things because they have different needs and interests. This is not the United States of New York.

So you think 4,000 people in Wyoming deserve the same say as 2 million in NY.

That's proof you don't believe in democratic government, something we are learning is very common among the RWnuts.


It's called the minority having a voice. True democracy is evil. You would certainly understand that if the majority in the country were not illegal aliens, anchor babies, liberals and commies.

Oligarchy is when a minority rules the country.

Conservatives favor minority rule because they're a minority, and always will be.
no, they're not.
 
Fine, you want each county to have an equal say in the vote for president?

Then step one will be that Kings County in NY divides itself into a thousand counties of 2000 people each. As do all the high population urban counties.

Your move.

That's basically saying to make the Presidential vote a popular one, via different mechanics.

Any crying about the Presidential elections being "undemocratic" ignores the simple fact that the Presidential election was NEVER a strict democratic vote, but again, a weighted average of States voting to say who would be the executive of all the States, via the Federal Constitution.

The Constitution has been wrong many times.

Never

Either the Constitution was wrong, or the amendments to it are wrong. Which is it?


The constitution allowed amenments

So it was not wrong


.
 

Will this guy ever explain why a county of 2,000 should have as much power as a county of 2 million?


Will you ever explain why someone in NYC should be able to bully someone in Fargo ND?

Setting aside your childish rhetoric,

we're a nation, with a national government. This is not a confederation of 50 nations.


It's called the United States dork

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Every election we get this retarded shit from the retarded Right.

Yes, Trump won lots of counties,

he won, for example, Niobrara County in Wyoming.

Population 2,456.

Clinton won Kings County (Brooklyn)

Population 2,636,735.

Now it's up to you to tell us why one equals the other, in a democratic election.


Poor NYC apparently flunked Civics in K-12. The U.S. is a federal republic. It was designed to prevent the mob rule he advocates.

Mob rule is just a catch phrase invented by people who don't believe in the fundamental principle of one person one vote.


Doubling down on not grokking our form of government isn't going to transmogriphy your whinging into a coherent argument.

But if you do support one person one vote, then you should be all in favor of Voter ID!

So you honestly believe that since Trump won more counties in NY than Clinton,
then Trump should have gotten all of NY's electoral votes.

That's idiocy.
he won 91 of 112 counties in Illinois. yes, I believe that is accurate.

And from that you believe that we should have a system where he thus wins Illinois?
 
So the Sunday newspaper, front page article: "Urban problems" --- Anchorage residents resistant to bear proof trash cans.

Sound like a problem NY might have? Unlikely. Every state has a say in things because they have different needs and interests. This is not the United States of New York.

So you think 4,000 people in Wyoming deserve the same say as 2 million in NY.

That's proof you don't believe in democratic government, something we are learning is very common among the RWnuts.


It's called the minority having a voice. True democracy is evil. You would certainly understand that if the majority in the country were not illegal aliens, anchor babies, liberals and commies.

Oligarchy is when a minority rules the country.

Conservatives favor minority rule because they're a minority, and always will be.


Actually, Prog Loon such as yourself want the country to be ruled by a tiny elite in Washington DC.

I want you to have exactly the same power in the voting booth that I do, as painful as I find that prospect.
he does today. His vote is added with others per his states electoral college make up. His vote matters as much as yours.
 
So the Sunday newspaper, front page article: "Urban problems" --- Anchorage residents resistant to bear proof trash cans.

Sound like a problem NY might have? Unlikely. Every state has a say in things because they have different needs and interests. This is not the United States of New York.

So you think 4,000 people in Wyoming deserve the same say as 2 million in NY.

That's proof you don't believe in democratic government, something we are learning is very common among the RWnuts.


It's called the minority having a voice. True democracy is evil. You would certainly understand that if the majority in the country were not illegal aliens, anchor babies, liberals and commies.

Oligarchy is when a minority rules the country.

Conservatives favor minority rule because they're a minority, and always will be.
no, they're not.

Self-identified conservatives are about a third of the population.
 
All these advantages will happily combine in the plan devised by the convention; which is, that the people of each State shall choose a number of persons as electors, equal to the number of senators and representatives of such State in the national government, who shall assemble within the State, and vote for some fit person as President. Their votes, thus given, are to be transmitted to the seat of the national government, and the person who may happen to have a majority of the whole number of votes will be the President. But as a majority of the votes might not always happen to centre in one man, and as it might be unsafe to permit less than a majority to be conclusive, it is provided that, in such a contingency, the House of Representatives shall select out of the candidates who shall have the five highest number of votes, the man who in their opinion may be best qualified for the office.

The process of election affords a moral certainty, that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications. Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single State; but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole Union, or of so considerable a portion of it as would be necessary to make him a successful candidate for the distinguished office of President of the United States. It will not be too strong to say, that there will be a constant probability of seeing the station filled by characters pre-eminent for ability and virtue. And this will be thought no inconsiderable recommendation of the Constitution, by those who are able to estimate the share which the executive in every government must necessarily have in its good or ill administration. Though we cannot acquiesce in the political heresy of the poet who says: "For forms of government let fools contest That which is best administered is best," yet we may safely pronounce, that the true test of a good government is its aptitude and tendency to produce a good administration.


- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Papers No. 68 "The Mode of Electing the President" March 14, 1788
 
So you think 4,000 people in Wyoming deserve the same say as 2 million in NY.

That's proof you don't believe in democratic government, something we are learning is very common among the RWnuts.


It's called the minority having a voice. True democracy is evil. You would certainly understand that if the majority in the country were not illegal aliens, anchor babies, liberals and commies.

Oligarchy is when a minority rules the country.

Conservatives favor minority rule because they're a minority, and always will be.


Actually, Prog Loon such as yourself want the country to be ruled by a tiny elite in Washington DC.

I want you to have exactly the same power in the voting booth that I do, as painful as I find that prospect.
he does today. His vote is added with others per his states electoral college make up. His vote matters as much as yours.

Her vote counted as zero in the presidential election because I'm quite sure she's said she's from CA.
 

dumb Donald lost the popular vote.

thanks for playing
President Elect Trump won 306 to 232, you should read up on how a president is voted into office.

He won because we have a system that is able to circumvent the democratic result and replace it with an undemocratic result.
the same system that elected every other president after washington. he won because he won the necessary electoral votes as per law. Change the law, you know the one since the constitution was written. go for it wise ass.

Things can be wrong for a very long time.
or not
 
All these advantages will happily combine in the plan devised by the convention; which is, that the people of each State shall choose a number of persons as electors, equal to the number of senators and representatives of such State in the national government, who shall assemble within the State, and vote for some fit person as President. Their votes, thus given, are to be transmitted to the seat of the national government, and the person who may happen to have a majority of the whole number of votes will be the President. But as a majority of the votes might not always happen to centre in one man, and as it might be unsafe to permit less than a majority to be conclusive, it is provided that, in such a contingency, the House of Representatives shall select out of the candidates who shall have the five highest number of votes, the man who in their opinion may be best qualified for the office.

The process of election affords a moral certainty, that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications. Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single State; but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole Union, or of so considerable a portion of it as would be necessary to make him a successful candidate for the distinguished office of President of the United States. It will not be too strong to say, that there will be a constant probability of seeing the station filled by characters pre-eminent for ability and virtue. And this will be thought no inconsiderable recommendation of the Constitution, by those who are able to estimate the share which the executive in every government must necessarily have in its good or ill administration. Though we cannot acquiesce in the political heresy of the poet who says: "For forms of government let fools contest That which is best administered is best," yet we may safely pronounce, that the true test of a good government is its aptitude and tendency to produce a good administration.


- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Papers No. 68 "The Mode of Electing the President" March 14, 1788

So Hamilton feared the popular vote might elect a Trump.

lol, great post.
 

Will this guy ever explain why a county of 2,000 should have as much power as a county of 2 million?


Will you ever explain why someone in NYC should be able to bully someone in Fargo ND?

Setting aside your childish rhetoric,

we're a nation, with a national government. This is not a confederation of 50 nations.


It's called the United States dork

.
Poor NYC apparently flunked Civics in K-12. The U.S. is a federal republic. It was designed to prevent the mob rule he advocates.

Mob rule is just a catch phrase invented by people who don't believe in the fundamental principle of one person one vote.


Doubling down on not grokking our form of government isn't going to transmogriphy your whinging into a coherent argument.

But if you do support one person one vote, then you should be all in favor of Voter ID!

So you honestly believe that since Trump won more counties in NY than Clinton,
then Trump should have gotten all of NY's electoral votes.

That's idiocy.
he won 91 of 112 counties in Illinois. yes, I believe that is accurate.

And from that you believe that we should have a system where he thus wins Illinois?
nope, never stated that. I just showed how a state can vote and still lose. So the majority in cook county vote for hitlery. she won, she had more votes, just like the rules and laws state.
 
So the Sunday newspaper, front page article: "Urban problems" --- Anchorage residents resistant to bear proof trash cans.

Sound like a problem NY might have? Unlikely. Every state has a say in things because they have different needs and interests. This is not the United States of New York.

So you think 4,000 people in Wyoming deserve the same say as 2 million in NY.

That's proof you don't believe in democratic government, something we are learning is very common among the RWnuts.


It's called the minority having a voice. True democracy is evil. You would certainly understand that if the majority in the country were not illegal aliens, anchor babies, liberals and commies.

Oligarchy is when a minority rules the country.

Conservatives favor minority rule because they're a minority, and always will be.
no, they're not.

Self-identified conservatives are about a third of the population.
no, the nation has been and remains conservative.
 
It's called the minority having a voice. True democracy is evil. You would certainly understand that if the majority in the country were not illegal aliens, anchor babies, liberals and commies.

Oligarchy is when a minority rules the country.

Conservatives favor minority rule because they're a minority, and always will be.


Actually, Prog Loon such as yourself want the country to be ruled by a tiny elite in Washington DC.

I want you to have exactly the same power in the voting booth that I do, as painful as I find that prospect.
he does today. His vote is added with others per his states electoral college make up. His vote matters as much as yours.

Her vote counted as zero in the presidential election because I'm quite sure she's said she's from CA.
how you figure?
 
So you think 4,000 people in Wyoming deserve the same say as 2 million in NY.

That's proof you don't believe in democratic government, something we are learning is very common among the RWnuts.


It's called the minority having a voice. True democracy is evil. You would certainly understand that if the majority in the country were not illegal aliens, anchor babies, liberals and commies.

Oligarchy is when a minority rules the country.

Conservatives favor minority rule because they're a minority, and always will be.
no, they're not.

Self-identified conservatives are about a third of the population.
no, the nation has been and remains conservative.

Really? Is that why we have no social security, no medicare, no social safety net, no women's vote, no gay rights, no legal abortion?
 
Oligarchy is when a minority rules the country.

Conservatives favor minority rule because they're a minority, and always will be.


Actually, Prog Loon such as yourself want the country to be ruled by a tiny elite in Washington DC.

I want you to have exactly the same power in the voting booth that I do, as painful as I find that prospect.
he does today. His vote is added with others per his states electoral college make up. His vote matters as much as yours.

Her vote counted as zero in the presidential election because I'm quite sure she's said she's from CA.
how you figure?

Because Clinton got all the electoral votes.
 

This is why electoral college is so important. A very diverse group from across the country elected Donald Trump. From Maine, Florida, Texas, Kansas, Montana to Oregon. It would suck if LA, Chicago and New York constantly picked our President. Politicians would never visit the smaller places if we went with a straight popular vote. As it stands now places like New Hampshire and Iowa have a say.
 
The allotment of electors was built on the allotment of us congressmen each states have plus 2 electors for each us senators each state has....and the 2 electors as senator representatives is what gives a small state it's advantage just like the US Congress with our senators, big or small state, each state is given two, and electors are given to each state as 1 elector per VOTING DISTRICT, and NOT by county....a county win means nothing, when it comes to electors....

This is how our founders created the elector positions.

And as with congress, EACH elector represented a congressman's vote for the district they represented.

So as example, lets say a state had 20 electors for 20 voting districts....like the 20 congressmen for 20 voting districts, plus 2 electors as representative of their 2 senators.... the electors were meant to not collude with other electors when they were created....not even talk to each other, but to use their own intellect in representing their voting district and the nation combined, in how they cast their initial vote....

But over the centuries, states MANIPULATED their elector process, so that only 2 parties rule and squished out any third party chances by making elector votes, winner takes all....

INSTEAD of each elector vote counting as each congressman's individual vote for the district the congress critter represents, while congress is in session.

so, as another example from this manipulation, Ross perot, got 19% of the national vote...that's a lot for a third party, and he did not receive one single elector vote...not an itty bitty one of them.

THIS IS NOT HOW OUR FOUNDERS CREATED THIS SYSTEM....it has been bastardized by the 2 parties to eliminate any chance EVER, for a third party to win.

And this makes the voters that are not liberal in states with large cities, ever have their vote count....and liberals in all those conservative states vote, never count... not worth even going to vote.... THIS IS NOT how it was meant to be, this is not what our founders created...

IN my state we went back to how it was, and proportionally issue our elector's vote by voting district....

so, in this past election we have 2 voting districts, (2 House Congress critters) 1 elector for each district, plus 2 electors representing our 2 US Senators... 4 total

one district here vote for Trump, 1District voted for Clinton and overall in the State Clinton got the most votes, so the two senator represented electors went to clinton...

Trump came to visit us with rallies 3 times....for that one district's elector's vote, because he thought he was going to need it....in order to win.

IF WE were set up as a winner take all state, he NEVER would have visited us at all....

THE PROBLEM with the electoral college now, is that electors are not proportionally given like us in maine, with the 2 electors representing Senators, going with the state popular vote.
I'm not too knowledgeable in this issue, but it seems the states are not represented proportionally in the House of Representatives, since the number is fixed at 435.

The Constitution says a maximum of one representative per 30,000 people.

However, the state with the smallest population is Wyoming, at 586,107 (2015 census), one representative only.

California has a population of 39,144,818 , in other words 66 times the size of Wyoming, but they only have 53 representatives.

And D.C. has no voting representative. They do have electoral college votes, but that's not the only point I'm making.

It's basically taxation without representation.
They get 1 representative per nearly 700,000 citizen voting district now.....and it is still proportionally distributed....to the best of their ability...though gerrymandering still occurs to set up that district of 700,000

the reason Wyoming has an advantage, is because they get 2 electors to represent their senators...so they get 1 elector for their House of Representative, and 2 electors for their 2 senators...THIS IS WHAT THE FOUNDERS CREATED to give smaller states their advantage over larger states...so a total of 3. This gives the advantage to wyoming citizens....per plan.

California gets 53 electors for their 53 house of Representatives, PLUS the 2 electors representing their Senators.... a total of 55....this disadvantages their population per plan.

the problem comes with the States changing it to a winner takes ALL on the electors, instead of letting them count as individual representatives for each voting district, like the House is set up.
 

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