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AND a total waste of time....divisive as all HELL...
What’s troubling is the sponsors of this legislation know full well the provisions of the bill are un-Constitutional, they expect a court fight, and they expect to lose.
All of this is purely partisan, designed to appease the social right and provide grist for stump speeches come 2014.
At least 12 other States have the same laws..
It isn't Unconsititutional.
Why do liberals not want ordinary medical standards applied to abortion? Do they really think the supreme court will overturn the requirement for standards?
Why do liberals not want ordinary medical standards applied to abortion? Do they really think the supreme court will overturn the requirement for standards?
First, it mucks with one of the sacred cows of the political class. After Gosnell, and the dude in Dallas or what ever, stricter standards would turn up more like them.
Guy, when I used to be Right Wing and Catholic, I used to buy into the whole propaganda thing.
I knew gals who got the full 12 years of Catholic Anti-Abortion propaganda.
And they still went to abortion clinics when they had an "Oops". The walked passed the assholes with the bibles and pictures of aborted fetuses screaming "Murderer" at them.
because at the end of the day, this was the rest of their lives they were considering here.
oh, please, just stop lying. ex-conservative, ex-Catholic, ex-republican.
it's disgusting and shreds out any remains of decency one might suspect you have left
you are a simple cradle libtard - lying without blinking ::
Just because you aren't intelligent enough to change your mind, doesn't mean the world works that way.
I used to be Catholic, until I prayed for my Mom's cancer to get better and she died anyway.
I used to be Republican, until my Romney loving boss screwed me over professionally and then announced how glad he was he didn't have to deal with a union.
Stuff happens, and if you are smart, you reevaluate.
This is all settled law under Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Boland.
That is correct..
The right to have an abortion is not absolute. The Government is allowed to put restrictions in place.
It is settled law.
Texas did not outlaw abortions.
They are still legal under 20 weeks, just as they are in 12 other States.
Abortion centers must comply with medical standards to protect the lives of the women.
They prevented a woman choosing to have an abortion after 20 weeks.
The law needs to be overturned, and now.
Whats troubling is the sponsors of this legislation know full well the provisions of the bill are un-Constitutional, they expect a court fight, and they expect to lose.
All of this is purely partisan, designed to appease the social right and provide grist for stump speeches come 2014.
At least 12 other States have the same laws..
It isn't Unconsititutional.
Only when the length laws are too short or the legal package is burden with unnecessary restrictions to access, the latter being the reason why this law will be struck down. It is unconstitutional.
Addenda: the American people as a whole, 76%, believe in some form of restricted abortions. About 1 in 6 believe as you that abortion on demand should be the limitation.
Why do liberals not want ordinary medical standards applied to abortion? Do they really think the supreme court will overturn the requirement for standards?
First, it mucks with one of the sacred cows of the political class. After Gosnell, and the dude in Dallas or what ever, stricter standards would turn up more like them.
The standards were acceptable, the enforcement by the state was not.
This law will now be overturned, and the Dems will use it against the Pubs in Texas next year: the war on women.
First, it mucks with one of the sacred cows of the political class. After Gosnell, and the dude in Dallas or what ever, stricter standards would turn up more like them.
The standards were acceptable, the enforcement by the state was not.
This law will now be overturned, and the Dems will use it against the Pubs in Texas next year: the war on women.
Right now there are no standards in Texas, if the standards in Pennsylvania were acceptable why are the new ones in Texas not acceptable?
The standards were acceptable, the enforcement by the state was not.
This law will now be overturned, and the Dems will use it against the Pubs in Texas next year: the war on women.
Right now there are no standards in Texas, if the standards in Pennsylvania were acceptable why are the new ones in Texas not acceptable?
Because Tx has prevented equal access for all women through a law that significantly injures women's rights to access to procedures through a spurious non-need to further safeguard mothers and their fetuses. The federal courts will throw it out.
Yes, you are missing something. "Equal access" means availability to all, and with all but two clinics forced to close, such access is denied. That is what the federal court will find and toss out the law.
If the lege had left the law at twenty weeks without the spurious safety requirements that will force closings without improving safety, then the court would uphold it.
Yes, you are missing something. "Equal access" means availability to all, and with all but two clinics forced to close, such access is denied. That is what the federal court will find and toss out the law.
If the lege had left the law at twenty weeks without the spurious safety requirements that will force closings without improving safety, then the court would uphold it.
Or instead of closing, they can change their policy. Why close? It isn't hard.
Yes, you are missing something. "Equal access" means availability to all, and with all but two clinics forced to close, such access is denied. That is what the federal court will find and toss out the law.
If the lege had left the law at twenty weeks without the spurious safety requirements that will force closings without improving safety, then the court would uphold it.
Or instead of closing, they can change their policy. Why close? It isn't hard.
It's not policy, it's $$$ to upgrade. Most don't have the capital to do so.
Or instead of closing, they can change their policy. Why close? It isn't hard.
It's not policy, it's $$$ to upgrade. Most don't have the capital to do so.
Wouldn't they perform abortions with the same equipment? So far, I've heard of no Gosnell like cases in TX as of yet.
It's not policy, it's $$$ to upgrade. Most don't have the capital to do so.
Wouldn't they perform abortions with the same equipment? So far, I've heard of no Gosnell like cases in TX as of yet.
It's not only equipment but other obstacles. It is also the travel involved if they are forced to close.
One lesson from Texas: legal abortion means nothing without access | Fund Abortion Now.org
I wish (I know, if pigs had wings) the legislature, instead of a full blown assault on a procedure protected by constitutional and federal law, had simply drawn a twenty-week barrier and limited abortion to cases of rape and incest, and for the life and health of the mother (waiving the twenty week limitation in the case of the former). Such a law easily would survive federal court scrutiny.
Wouldn't they perform abortions with the same equipment? So far, I've heard of no Gosnell like cases in TX as of yet.
It's not only equipment but other obstacles. It is also the travel involved if they are forced to close.
One lesson from Texas: legal abortion means nothing without access | Fund Abortion Now.org
I wish (I know, if pigs had wings) the legislature, instead of a full blown assault on a procedure protected by constitutional and federal law, had simply drawn a twenty-week barrier and limited abortion to cases of rape and incest, and for the life and health of the mother (waiving the twenty week limitation in the case of the former). Such a law easily would survive federal court scrutiny.
I am a pro-lifer, but at some point there needs to be a compromise. 20 weeks, necessary funding to upgrade the facilities, keep them open. Right to choose preserved, right to life preserved? What do you think?
The standards were acceptable, the enforcement by the state was not.
This law will now be overturned, and the Dems will use it against the Pubs in Texas next year: the war on women.
Right now there are no standards in Texas, if the standards in Pennsylvania were acceptable why are the new ones in Texas not acceptable?
Because Tx has prevented equal access for all women through a law that significantly injures women's rights to access to procedures through a spurious non-need to further safeguard mothers and their fetuses. The federal courts will throw it out.
Yes, you are missing something. "Equal access" means availability to all, and with all but two clinics forced to close, such access is denied. That is what the federal court will find and toss out the law.
If the lege had left the law at twenty weeks without the spurious safety requirements that will force closings without improving safety, then the court would uphold it.
